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hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:59:24 AM | IP

libel= legal. those people in jail have dealt with and seen more and know more

about addicts than you or your family will ever know. if that kid was in protective

segregation/custody and on suicide watch that usually lasts at least 72 hours. they always

hold them for at least 72 hours and there is a good reason for that. if he was

a drug "addict" and they held him for a few days, when they released him he was starting to feel human again!! this is like a huge relife just to have this out of system and
you are hopeful again.
for the first time in a long time and that is not when you are thinking of killing yourself.

you think i am just guessing here and chiming in with my two cents and
making assumptions?
absolutely not. i would never offer up such information that could possibly confuse
or harm someone. i happened to have been through this for twenty almost thirty years.
yes, thirty years! i know what im talking about.

at anyrate, the family is not at fault for his suicide.

and sophie, suicide is a choice but its not legal and if you know someone who is

contemplating and carries it out and you knew about it....your going to jail.

thats no different than assisted suicide.

go to a little legal research. suicide is illegal. just like that guy who tired to
kill himself and slash his wrists recently...he is now is jail. you cannot murder anyone
not even yourself.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:21:51 AM | IP

i know for a fact they continue treatment even while in jail. "been there done that"
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:21:15 AM | IP

and another thing sophie....if you are registered and on methadone...it doesnt stop
when you go to jail. if you are on it...a nurse comes and gives you your medicince
everyday. so dont try to blow smoke up my ass. if they didnt give them their dose
or missed a dose than they would be medically liable.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:19:26 AM | IP

the only thing that will work for your sister is a controlled environment(jail)
and drug court where she is tested constantly and counseling for her addictive personality problem. she is going to have to want to stop. if she doesnt...jail is
the right place for her. maybe after she realises the consequences of her behaviour
she will smarten up! stop coddling her.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:17:01 AM | IP

and sophie your sisters mental problems and drug abuse is linked to your own low level of intellegence and weak genes.

people like you(weak links) all operate the same way. all want to blame everyone for their addictiion problems and their addictive personality disorder. she went right back
to using because that is what an addict does and tranfering her from one substance to
anotehr is not going to work! no program is going to work for her until she deals with
her issues. perhaps counseling will work but i doubt it. suffering and tough love is
the only way to help these people. re=read the posts dummy. you are grapsing the message
and you wont because along with your sisters flawed personaliy, you have one yourself.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 9:11:50 AM | IP

sophie is obviously a relative of pbrains.

sorry cookiemonster but it donest take a month to get off methadone. i am quite familar with

this "therapy" also. methadone is another syntheitc opiate based drug that is controlled

in doses and given to gradually detox off of opiates. it doesnt take a month to get off

anything. no one knows how long drugs remain in systme or brain. this thrity days you

come up wiht is in accurate. the remainder of your post is incoherent so i cannot comment.

dont come back on here again unless you have some actual expereince with it yourself. i dont want to hear about what your sister or cousin or brother or mother or anyone else
went through. got it? unless you yourself can speak about it than you need to shut up too.

if your family member had seizure than i would say its due to a flaw in your family
gene pool and has nothing to do with the way she was handled in jail or otherwise.
you play you pay and thats the bottom line!
sophie68
1/20/2009 8:08:33 AM | IP


HHL~OMG your are too funny...suicide is not a choice that person makes? Drug addiction is not a choice?...what an idiot you are. Who is talking about someone taking anothers life or disabled people? Huh? This is not what this thread is about. And yes, when any addict goes into jail, thats it, done, cold turkey. This is where my sis had siezures from w/d of methadone. Unfortunately, that drug takes months to get out of your system so even after 30 days in jail, her body was still detoxing and her mind was still craving it. Right back to it she went.

And I can tell you she went through hundreds of detoxes/rehabs/halfway houses, we all went to family therapy to try and help her.

PAngel..I totally agree with you.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 7:49:38 AM | IP

i would say you have a personality disorder yourself. you are addicted to playing

therapist and whatever else you do on the computer all day and everyday. you have

not sturcture or productivity or movement in growing and learning. ive watched off and on

for the last few years while learning about myself and other people. you are classic

example of addictive personality type. you may see yourself as "helpful" but you dont

know what you are doing or talking about and really shouldnt be trying. you need to

understand boundaries and what they are for and how to implement them. in your own life.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 7:40:34 AM | IP

let me explain something to you. emotional issues we all have. it is not the

reason an addict uses. its the excuse they use to keep them there. they could say...sally got a red balloon for her first birthday and she got a blue one. that could be reason enough. they use because it feels good. they like the way it makes them feel. simple as that!
they have no idea of boundaries. its a personality trait. like a workaholic etc.

i will tell you

why it has nothing to do with it. if a drug user "addict" aka addictive personality
disorder, cleans up and does not deal with the fact that they are addictive type personality, they will transfer one addictive activity for the next.
i have seen this a thousand times. they will become obsessive about a job or even
helping other addictive person recover to the point they are obsessive again. its never about
what you think it is. its very basic.

you are the typical weak minded and weak willed addictive and co-dependent personality.
your addiciton is the computer and probably unhelathy boundaries with your kids and husband too.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 7:26:23 AM | IP

and im all for someone going throught withdrawls and cold turkey. they need to remember

what it was like! too many times people skip that part and get offered rehab with a

doctor there to give you something and take you down slowly. no. i dont think so.

they need to go with nothing and most hard core junkies do. they clean up behind bars

and if you want to talk about suffering....let me tell you about it.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 7:23:38 AM | IP

one more thing, you play the hand you are dealt.

if you have problems you still dont get to escape them. taking life isnt going to

be option either. my grandmother, bless her, was paralyzed from wasit down from freak

accident in her late forties!

imagaine be trapped in your own body. you cant go anywhere and you are dependent for

even the basic body functions in life. i also know without her

life would have not been nearly as good for me. she stuck around for me and the others

and we didnt see her as being disabled. thats all we knew. she certainly did as much

as the other adults but we didnt see what she went through. she never let it show.

she was an amazing lady and there are many people just as good and inspirational as she

was. there is another group...the one that is easily prone to feeling sorry for themselves and these are the people the devil loves. these are exactly the people he
needs to carry out his plans.

everyone goes throught pain and suffering and no one escapes that.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 7:10:32 AM | IP

dont make assumptions about people and their backgrounds and their families.

some people are predisposed to endorphined producing rushes; it isnt just drugs its drink and

its food and its sex and its anything that becomes obsessive. you yourself are

addicted to internet. your life is being destroyed around it. you productivity is

diminished and so is your personal life etc. why is that? because you are weak.

you have a problem and so do alot of people like you. takes a strong mind to not

be controlled by substances or endorphine produced rushes of pleasure. we are more

than lab animals. there are those that are covering up emotional problems, granted,

but that is not for you to assume. everybody has "butter" and feelings that they dont

want to deal with. its not the reason for using its the exucse for it. if it wasnt that

it would be something else. its called growing up!

why does your husband have a sex addiction? why dont you address that. you seem to want

to play therapist and make assumptions...

start there and see if you can change him. actually first work on your own problem.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 6:58:55 AM | IP

*i know who you are
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 6:56:48 AM | IP

im going to call you what you are pbrain, evil. thats right. you are satans helper
and you are a liar. you never helped anyone and you never helpe a drug addiction and you know nothing about

drug addcition. this is just another one of your bullbutter stories. you are on here looking to shine the light on yourself as some kind of helpful soul and you are far frrom it. i who you are.

nothing you described

is the symptoms of drug abuse. when someone is coming off any kind of hydrocodone based

drugs they do not become violent. as a matter of fact, none of the symptoms of drug

withdrawl you described are correct. i think you and your husband and your "friend"

are all full of crap. your "friend" a bullbutterter just like you!
it also doesnt take weeks to withdraw and the last thing an addict needs is to be around

is someone like you!

and as far as her not being able to "get" oxycotin" thats very funny. a drug addict

never goes without. they either die of overdose or get locked up but they never go without unlessed forced to and money is not a reason.
hothouselilies
1/20/2009 6:42:40 AM | IP

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