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U.G. Krishnamurti (Jiddu, Osho, etc.)

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omar12345678
12/29/2012 5:20:12 PM | IP

You have no idea what you're talking about.
SatoriFierce
12/18/2012 5:38:21 AM | IP
SatoriFierce

31 years old female

b. 11/16/1981 Posted by beautifulsoul74

Posted by seraph
So I could go on and spend a lot of time getting into really deep discussions about this, but I'd never be satisfied with it, so I'd rather stay out of it. So Im inviting all of you, if you want, to give some of these ideas some consideration on your own. My problem is that I'll get really preachy about it, and I don't have the energy for that at the moment.

If you really want to *get* U.G.'s thought, you'd need to do your own background research *first* - his videos, books and other writings (I have most of them), and *then* come prepared with some sort of foundation already in place. I doubt most people on dxp will bother. There is no quick self-help stuff in those ideas. It took me a long, long time to truly appreciate where U.G. and other rare "flowers" of India - those who are "enlightened", like Ramana Maharshi and Sri Ramakrishna and the two Krishnamurtis after them - were coming from. 

An easy way to get into it, and one that takes you gently into these ideas rather than shake you into them violent,y is Mooji. I love Mooji. He's warm, easygoing, and incredibly wise. Just look up his videos on YouTube. They're all there. It's a variation of Vedantic thought. Still very challenging to accept, but it's served up nice and easy, so you can digest a lot of it easier. 

Start here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCFPgFixvcY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89aBjL-PCAA&feature=relmfu  (in this one, at the end, Mooji is talking about himself, and his time with Papaji.)

http://www.mooji.org/biography.html




I'mma check this out soon. Thanks for the information, Seraph.
dimitri
12/15/2012 9:46:47 AM | IP
dimitri

no thanks
I'm not on a guided tour of life.
seraph
5/28/2012 9:32:19 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

So I could go on and spend a lot of time getting into really deep discussions about this, but I'd never be satisfied with it, so I'd rather stay out of it. So Im inviting all of you, if you want, to give some of these ideas some consideration on your own. My problem is that I'll get really preachy about it, and I don't have the energy for that at the moment.

If you really want to *get* U.G.'s thought, you'd need to do your own background research *first* - his videos, books and other writings (I have most of them), and *then* come prepared with some sort of foundation already in place. I doubt most people on dxp will bother. There is no quick self-help stuff in those ideas. It took me a long, long time to truly appreciate where U.G. and other rare "flowers" of India - those who are "enlightened", like Ramana Maharshi and Sri Ramakrishna and the two Krishnamurtis after them - were coming from. 

An easy way to get into it, and one that takes you gently into these ideas rather than shake you into them violent,y is Mooji. I love Mooji. He's warm, easygoing, and incredibly wise. Just look up his videos on YouTube. They're all there. It's a variation of Vedantic thought. Still very challenging to accept, but it's served up nice and easy, so you can digest a lot of it easier. 

Start here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCFPgFixvcY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89aBjL-PCAA&feature=relmfu  (in this one, at the end, Mooji is talking about himself, and his time with Papaji.)

http://www.mooji.org/biography.html


seraph
5/28/2012 9:30:08 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

I probably *should* explain all this, but I'm not really in the frame of mind to get into discussions about Advaita Vedanta thought and existential questions. I'm sorry about that. I sort of promised you a cake and all you got were crumbs. I have an academic background in Indian philosophy, so when these kinds of ideas pop up I can usually identify them, get comfortable with them because I can relate them to the overall context in which they came about, and discuss them without feeling shocked or that they're somehow inimical to my being. 

At the same time, though. I don't want to just "post and run." For someone for whom these ideas are very new and contrary to the 20th century Western ideas to which they've become accustomed, a lot more work is required to get them to a point to where they're even ready to start thinking about them without flinching. This doesn't mean that any of this stuff is "beyond" you. All it means is that I may feel I need to "over-explain", even when I might not really need to.

U.G. Krishnamurti for instance, advocates the wholesale destruction - and I mean the COMPLETE destruction of your entire belief system. All of the socialization that your personality has undergone over the years needs to be eradicated. All your ideas of "growth", "progress", and "free will" are fundamentally alien to your true nature, and only serve to lead you astray. And what I'm doing here is grossly oversimplifying his thought. To really appreciate what he's saying, one first needs to understand the context from which these thoughts arose, and a lot of that comes from Vedantic thought. It's *serious business*. And for those who are ready for it, it creates *serious results.* But most of us simply aren't ready to be challenged in that way, and while a simply academic understanding of the subject is fine and all, to go even further is to invite a lot of discord and confusion into your life. It is not for the faint of heart. Ideas aren't *just* ideas. They can shake you to your very core, and get you asking the kinds of questions that can lead you into a powerful cycle of destruction and rebirth. That's why U.G. always discouraged people from that path. "You don't want this . . . no, really, you don't" was more or less his tagline. But in a way, he knew and some others also knew, that it is what people actually *needed.*
seraph
5/27/2012 11:00:05 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

Posted by LeoVirgoGirl
Wait
Venus in gem isn't it like a "casanova" combo?
Saturn in Leo .... lazy?


He had a marked personal magnetism.

As for the Saturn in Leo, he pursued most of his ideas with a grim determination, and didn't care much for material possessions. He burned through most of his ego.

He was often very, very direct and blunt in conversation, but incredibly incisive. He had an absolutely fearsome intellect. In terms of his thoughts and ideas, he's probably the single most dangerous man one could ever meet.
seraph
5/27/2012 10:53:55 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

His four most powerful planets:

Moon
Mars
Neptune
Mercury

And look at those Cardinal energies. The hinge on which everything turns.

This man was built for spiritual and ideological rebellion.

C.
seraph
5/27/2012 10:00:12 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.



seraph
5/27/2012 9:31:26 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

Major Aspects

seraph
5/27/2012 9:19:57 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

U.G. Krishnamurti

Pullen Delineation:

seraph
5/27/2012 9:13:27 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.

Though in addition, I'll admit that Jiddu Krishnamurti (no relation to U.G.) did have an incredible spirit. Hearing and seeing him speak can be an electrifying experience (though now, only through videos.) And he too, exhibited some of U.G.'s radicalism when he left the Theosophical society. In fact, he and U.G. spent a great deal of time together. U.G. was also a member of the Theosophical society until he too, left.
seraph
5/27/2012 9:02:36 PM | IP
seraph

35 years old male from Canada  

First Decan, Mercurial and Venusian Leo.



All three were exceptional human beings (save for Osho who easily passed for a fraud), but in my opinion U.G. was the real deal.

U.G. did awaken. He had found "enlightenment" at the age of 49. Many people are ignorant of this, thinking he was just a radical. But he experienced and exhibited all the classical physical manifestations that *typically* tend to precede awakening, some of them similar to full Kundalini awakening. HOWEVER, U.G absolutely and unequivocally refused to interpret and understand "enlightenment" in the way others had. He threw away the classical understanding of it, along with all the expectations that arise from it. He in fact denied its classically sacral interpretations and instead laid it on the doorstep of genetics and chance. Naturally, this is something that people didn't like to hear.

U.G. was a radical of the first water. Completely and utterly devoted to the destruction of all modern values and the actions to which they give meaning.

U.G.'s birth chart:

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedic-astrology-jyotisha/308740-ug-krishnamurtis-horoscope.html

U.G. Krishnamurti
DOB: July 9, 1918
Time: 06:12 AM
Place: Gudiwada (or Gudivada), near masulipatanam, Andra Pradesh
Long: 81E08
Lat: 16N11






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