Manipulation

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6/30/2011 3:32:38 AM | More
TeflonDon

Scorpio sun, Capricorn moon, that's me. I've been described as a master manipulator. If I don't have any particular feelings for you, then I do it to avoid accountability. Because rules don't apply to me. I'm not above anyone or anything, I'm just apart from it. It has nothing to do with entitlement. That's the background and usual motive.

I get accused of being manipulative to people I love, even when my actual intentions are quite pure. And in actuality, I've learned that manipulation is not a bad thing in and of itself. It is either good or bad based on how it's used.

Sure some would argue that it's dishonest, but if you have a solid understanding of people around you, then you tend to also know the likely results from their natural actions, and you, as a caring manipulator, can do your best to curve the odds positively.

See how manipulation can be used for good?

I had to address this because I realized how embedded manipulation is within me. It's not a weakness or a strength really, it just is. And I think it is this way for other Scorpios and Capricorns. It is simply a character trait that should be accepted and realized. People are very quick to judge manipulators and it doesn't seem right when it's a trait that is simply a part of some people.
6/30/2011 3:34:40 AM | More
TeflonDon

"then I do it to avoid accountability. Because rules don't apply to me. I'm not above anyone or anything, I'm just apart from it. It has nothing to do with entitlement."

I know this sounds kind of prick-like. I, for once, am not trying to come off that way. But the course of my life has proven to me that rules really tend not to apply to me.
6/30/2011 8:05:30 AM | More
exoskeleton

25 years old female

november 3rd

not for me either.

scorpio sun, capricorn moon, that's me. LOL. though i think my mercury in scorp has an advantage over yours in sag. i've never been accused of manipulating. hehe, you could be a bit more slick!

and caring manipulator? elaborate a little more on that. if you know a person's natural actions and reactions and so "curve the odds positively" - how is that caring about the other person? the odds are now "positive" for you thus making you quite selfish/out for your own gain.

and anyway, manipulation is just a skill that on some days i'm proud of, lol, but i prefer to keep it as something i'm capable of and earn karma points. it's just a party trick!
6/30/2011 8:57:42 AM | More
1two3go



I am the Dual Being, harbouring a soul b

Caring manipulator: nudging someone out of harm's way because you know them through and through and you know that their persisting in a course of action will blow up in their face.

Plus, you know they'll come crying to you afterwards and juuuust this once you don't wanna have a wet shoulder.

Ha, astrologically speaking scorps are known to be manipulators. Which means they aren't any good at it (because it is a well known fact that they are manipulators... mind twister there).

The 11th and 12th sign, THAT'S where the action is (because these two hang around just about ANYONE so they sort of know every trick in the book and every mark. Few use this power for bad, though so...).
6/30/2011 9:04:00 AM | More
1two3go



I am the Dual Being, harbouring a soul b

Posted by exoskeleton
not for me either.

scorpio sun, capricorn moon, that's me. LOL. though i think my mercury in scorp has an advantage over yours in sag. i've never been accused of manipulating. hehe, you could be a bit more slick!

and caring manipulator? elaborate a little more on that. if you know a person's natural actions and reactions and so "curve the odds positively" - how is that caring about the other person? the odds are now "positive" for you thus making you quite selfish/out for your own gain.

and anyway, manipulation is just a skill that on some days i'm proud of, lol, but i prefer to keep it as something i'm capable of and earn karma points. it's just a party trick!


What isn't selfish, really? Love? Good deeds? The fact that you stand to get something in return makes both selfish things to do, depending on your perspective.

And whether or not your manipulation steers someone you care about out of harm's way you still stand to gain something i.e. "you failed, I'm a better human being than you"

Yup, removing all labels and relationships like lover, parent-child etc that's all life boils down to, really: me me ME.

Ah, life... gotta love it.
6/30/2011 9:07:33 AM | More
exoskeleton

25 years old female

november 3rd

"Caring manipulator: nudging someone out of harm's way because you know them through and through and you know that their persisting in a course of action will blow up in their face."

okay, that makes much more sense.

6/30/2011 9:12:40 AM | More
1two3go



I am the Dual Being, harbouring a soul b

Ma-han! I have just been on a streak of downer-isms lately and I don't even feel depressed or cynical. I'm actually happy!

I just - I'm getting old, ya know, and my priorities are changing. I don't want to accept what sounds easy anymore.

I want to get to the bottom of things, no matter how ugly. The truth.

I'm sorry, you guys.

Love is a good thing, your parents and siblings want you to succeed, and your lover isn't with you because you make him/her look good (although this last one I'm a little unsure of still... Doh! Sorry!).
6/30/2011 9:47:29 AM | More
Sagittarius89

25 years old female

Can you feel the fiyaaaa?!

SMILE!
6/30/2011 12:52:10 PM | More
1two3go



I am the Dual Being, harbouring a soul b

Posted by everevolvingepithet
"The 11th and 12th sign, THAT'S where the action is (because these two hang around just about ANYONE so they sort of know every trick in the book and every mark. Few use this power for bad, though so...)."
As if.
Although tooting ones own horn maybe ?
Go back one and those stuffy old goat people are probably the best, as either no one thinks they exist or they get ignored for the most part.


Capricorns are mad ambitious, though. crazily so. And what's funny is it isn't entirely clear what drives 'em.

But yeah - aquarians and pisceans rule! (kidding)





















































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6/30/2011 3:00:37 PM | More
spica



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Apart from the overbearingness, I think the 'caring manipulation' is alright if intentions are pure and integrity is there. I know someone with this combi (in the houses), and they don't ever have bad intentions - the intentions are what counts - it is not always self centred.

I have met true manipulators - they don't even recognise it in themselves, nor does the inner struggle of their ethics ever cross their mind.
6/30/2011 3:12:40 PM | More
tiki33

female

Oxytocin, when it’s got you hooked on

A caring sociopath.....I think you're the first lol

6/30/2011 6:13:55 PM | More
exoskeleton

25 years old female

november 3rd

i haven't found any aquas (or any air or fire signs for that matter) to be manipulative. at least not successfully, lol.

earth and water signs are just more sensitive to other people's emotions. they're cautious with what they say/project and have the shrewd, meticulous mind to keep something going.

of course this is all dependent on other placements.
6/30/2011 6:56:13 PM | More
exoskeleton

25 years old female

november 3rd

Posted by Strider
You are a freakin moron . You must amuse yourself constantly with the "fantasy" that you are some mafia gangster who is really cunning/smooth and is so adept with human nature etc . Manipulation in any form is wrong and dishonest . The only people who try to justify manipulation is people who are based on the "ego self" (sociopaths). These people love it and actually believe they are "good people" . This is exactly why they are dangerous because they are self deceivers ............

Karma will catch up too you and punish you for your actions . By manipulating others you are only deceiving yourself . Deception takes birth from a selfish/calculating ego but never comes from a place of love.......

In conclusion i would love to hit you in the balls ........


granted you have a point, BUT it's really no fantasy. he knows what he's doing.
7/1/2011 2:01:23 PM | More
Sagittarius89

25 years old female

Can you feel the fiyaaaa?!

Posted by ellybd
Some of the naturally manipulative signs I've met that get away with it are aqua, pisces, cancer and virgo. I think it's because no one expects it or sees it, then the butter hits the fan and everyone around is like "WTF? Where did that side of them come from?"

Scorpios are too honest about their dark side most of the time, which causes people to think badly of us before even understanding us. Aqua comes off sociable, happy and caring. Pisces, self-sacrificing, sweet even saintly. Cancer, loving, kind and altruistic. Virgo strong, thoughtful and sensible. I'd agree with the sentiment that people expect manipulation from a cappy or scorp but not from others, therefore nullifying a lot of the actual manipulation.

I've never been accused of being manipulative, well ever really haha. Most new friends are surprised to find out I'm a scorpio. I have used peoples emotions before to twist logic or words to my advantage, darker times in my life. But I think everyone does that at some point in their life. Some are just better(or worse, depending on how you see it haha) than others. But I'm one of those people who thinks a persons natural inclination is towards selfishness and selflessness is a learned behavior haha.


Really? I find all of them to be extremely transparent.
7/4/2011 7:11:18 PM | More
exoskeleton

25 years old female

november 3rd

ah. well, guess it doesn't hurt my cap moon is in the 12 house.

though i don't see "feigning weakness" or playing the victim to gain someone's sympathy as very effective. besides, pisces are very pliable.

if you want your words to have impact you need subtly - not power games, not emotional breakdowns. manipulation in itself IS making someone react and to your influence without it seeming so. it's playing on their emotions and changing their thought process. if you know what gets to them and how to carefully control what you project it's not complicated at all.
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