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|Scorpio sun, Capricorn moon, that's me. I've been described as a master manipulator. If I don't have any particular feelings for you, then I do it to avoid accountability. Because rules don't apply to me. I'm not above anyone or anything, I'm just apart from it. It has nothing to do with entitlement. That's the background and usual motive.|
I get accused of being manipulative to people I love, even when my actual intentions are quite pure. And in actuality, I've learned that manipulation is not a bad thing in and of itself. It is either good or bad based on how it's used.
Sure some would argue that it's dishonest, but if you have a solid understanding of people around you, then you tend to also know the likely results from their natural actions, and you, as a caring manipulator, can do your best to curve the odds positively.
See how manipulation can be used for good?
I had to address this because I realized how embedded manipulation is within me. It's not a weakness or a strength really, it just is. And I think it is this way for other Scorpios and Capricorns. It is simply a character trait that should be accepted and realized. People are very quick to judge manipulators and it doesn't seem right when it's a trait that is simply a part of some people.
|"then I do it to avoid accountability. Because rules don't apply to me. I'm not above anyone or anything, I'm just apart from it. It has nothing to do with entitlement."|
I know this sounds kind of prick-like. I, for once, am not trying to come off that way. But the course of my life has proven to me that rules really tend not to apply to me.
|not for me either. |
scorpio sun, capricorn moon, that's me. LOL. though i think my mercury in scorp has an advantage over yours in sag. i've never been accused of manipulating. hehe, you could be a bit more slick!
and caring manipulator? elaborate a little more on that. if you know a person's natural actions and reactions and so "curve the odds positively" - how is that caring about the other person? the odds are now "positive" for you thus making you quite selfish/out for your own gain.
and anyway, manipulation is just a skill that on some days i'm proud of, lol, but i prefer to keep it as something i'm capable of and earn karma points. it's just a party trick!
|Caring manipulator: nudging someone out of harm's way because you know them through and through and you know that their persisting in a course of action will blow up in their face.|
Plus, you know they'll come crying to you afterwards and juuuust this once you don't wanna have a wet shoulder.
Ha, astrologically speaking scorps are known to be manipulators. Which means they aren't any good at it (because it is a well known fact that they are manipulators... mind twister there).
The 11th and 12th sign, THAT'S where the action is (because these two hang around just about ANYONE so they sort of know every trick in the book and every mark. Few use this power for bad, though so...).
Posted by exoskeleton
What isn't selfish, really? Love? Good deeds? The fact that you stand to get something in return makes both selfish things to do, depending on your perspective.
And whether or not your manipulation steers someone you care about out of harm's way you still stand to gain something i.e. "you failed, I'm a better human being than you"
Yup, removing all labels and relationships like lover, parent-child etc that's all life boils down to, really: me me ME.
Ah, life... gotta love it.
|"Caring manipulator: nudging someone out of harm's way because you know them through and through and you know that their persisting in a course of action will blow up in their face."|
okay, that makes much more sense.
|Ma-han! I have just been on a streak of downer-isms lately and I don't even feel depressed or cynical. I'm actually happy!|
I just - I'm getting old, ya know, and my priorities are changing. I don't want to accept what sounds easy anymore.
I want to get to the bottom of things, no matter how ugly. The truth.
I'm sorry, you guys.
Love is a good thing, your parents and siblings want you to succeed, and your lover isn't with you because you make him/her look good (although this last one I'm a little unsure of still... Doh! Sorry!).
Posted by everevolvingepithet
Capricorns are mad ambitious, though. crazily so. And what's funny is it isn't entirely clear what drives 'em.
But yeah - aquarians and pisceans rule! (kidding)
|Apart from the overbearingness, I think the 'caring manipulation' is alright if intentions are pure and integrity is there. I know someone with this combi (in the houses), and they don't ever have bad intentions - the intentions are what counts - it is not always self centred.|
I have met true manipulators - they don't even recognise it in themselves, nor does the inner struggle of their ethics ever cross their mind.
|i haven't found any aquas (or any air or fire signs for that matter) to be manipulative. at least not successfully, lol. |
earth and water signs are just more sensitive to other people's emotions. they're cautious with what they say/project and have the shrewd, meticulous mind to keep something going.
of course this is all dependent on other placements.
Posted by Strider
granted you have a point, BUT it's really no fantasy. he knows what he's doing.
Posted by ellybd
Really? I find all of them to be extremely transparent.
|ah. well, guess it doesn't hurt my cap moon is in the 12 house. |
though i don't see "feigning weakness" or playing the victim to gain someone's sympathy as very effective. besides, pisces are very pliable.
if you want your words to have impact you need subtly - not power games, not emotional breakdowns. manipulation in itself IS making someone react and to your influence without it seeming so. it's playing on their emotions and changing their thought process. if you know what gets to them and how to carefully control what you project it's not complicated at all.