#metoo

Anyone else's FB feed littered with this nonsense? Literally every chick who's had a guy ask her out with a cheesy pick-up line has by definition been "sexually harassed". XD The validation/attention hoaring is real with this one. https://c
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  • DeadInside
    they'll bend the knee
    dxp is dominated by women run bro!
  • enfant_terrible
    "Leo Sun. Taur Asc. Cancer Moon
    32 years old male from United Consciousness of Yugoslavia
    I have already said this - you can't expect to have a serious discussion about these things on social media.

    MeToo is attention hoaring and cyber bullying.
  • enfant_terrible
    "Leo Sun. Taur Asc. Cancer Moon
    32 years old male from United Consciousness of Yugoslavia
    And so the Me Too campaign has harvested its first life, as it goes when you're thrown to the wolves on a whim. smile

    "Labour minister Carl Sargeant ‘begged party chiefs to tell him sex pest allegations’ before ‘he took his own life’

    “I’ve said it before but there has to be anonymity for anybody facing sexual abuse or assault allegations as well as the victim.

    “How many more suicides do there have to be before the Home Office acts on this? Carl was still innocent!”

    Assembly Member Jenny Rathbone said that Sargeant had not been told details of the allegations that had been made against him.


    https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4861742/labour-carl-sargeant-groping-women-allegations-found-dead/amp/
  • enfant_terrible
    "Leo Sun. Taur Asc. Cancer Moon
    32 years old male from United Consciousness of Yugoslavia
    Posted by aquarius_man

    just delete the topic, like the common sense should dictate, anyway, you piece of butter



    "Common sense" according to someone who sexually insults my mother in a thread on sexism and harassment. Well played, sirLaughing

    I'm sorry from now on I will only express thoughts and feelings that resonate with your sentiments.

  • Arielle83
    Good c.u.n.t.
    Posted by Gob_buttere
    And on another thread, female dxpers remain adamant that men should always make the first move, while alluding to the fact that persistence can sometimes pay off...

    #21stcenturymentreetrunkedoverbytheirony


    Haha where?
  • enfant_terrible
    "Leo Sun. Taur Asc. Cancer Moon
    32 years old male from United Consciousness of Yugoslavia
    Posted by aquarius_man

    is there a moderator/ admin ? why won't you delete the crap this piece of $ it writes?

    treetrunk his mother



    So you are offending my mother to get to me? Is that some new form of political activism?

    Typical cracks in the facade for a shady individual parading as a white knight. Has your act gotten you laid yet? A few PMs at least?

  • enfant_terrible
    "Leo Sun. Taur Asc. Cancer Moon
    32 years old male from United Consciousness of Yugoslavia
    Posted by aquarius_man
    the moron who opened this thread . this is not a thread that should be allowed on dxp. just delete it, it's treetrunking toxic you dumb treetrunkwad


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  • seraph
    Mercurian and Venusian First Decan Leo. Third Decan Aquarius Rising.
    40 years old male from Canada
    Posted by rabidtalker


    Thanks!


    Sure thing, no worries.
  • rabidtalker
    My natal chart is in my profile photos.
    Posted by seraph
    Posted by rabidtalker
    Anyone have access to the rest of this article? everyone wants me to pay money i'd rather spend on dxp points now... Sad


    www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/had-enough-metoo-hashtag-feminism-intellectual-laziness/

    I've had enough of MeToo 'hashtag feminism' and its intellectual laziness
    I was walking home from the station last night – lost in my phone – when…you can tell what’s coming, right? A tale of male predation, in which some bloke did something threatening/inappropriate/disgusting to me.

    You’ve heard a lot of these stories since the Harvey Weinstein harassment claims hit the news. And you’re about to hear a lot more. Since the weekend, women the internet over have begun posting under the #metoo hashtag and – like the fury over Weinstein’s misdemeanours – this "movement" is only gathering force.

    “Me too” refers to sexual harassment. It is intended to demonstrate just how widespread this aspect of female experience is. It is also intended to galvanise as many women as possible to “speak out”, to “tell their stories” – curiously dated phrases that echo the consciousness-raising lingo of the 1970s feminist movement.

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in...

    ...


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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/had-enough-metoo-hashtag-feminism-intellectual-laziness/

    (begin quoted material)

    I've had enough of MeToo 'hashtag feminism' and its intellectual laziness
    ZOE STRIMPEL

    I was walking home from the station last night – lost in my phone – when…you can tell what’s coming, right? A tale of male predation, in which some bloke did something threatening/inappropriate/disgusting to me.

    You’ve heard a lot of these stories since the Harvey Weinstein harassment claims hit the news. And you’re about to hear a lot more. Since the weekend, women the internet over have begun posting under the #metoo hashtag and – like the fury over Weinstein’s misdemeanours – this "movement" is only gathering force.

    The inescapable whiff oozing off all this is that women are, fundamentally and essentially, victims
    “Me too” refers to sexual harassment. It is intended to demonstrate just how widespread this aspect of female experience is. It is also intended to galvanise as many women as possible to “speak out”, to “tell their stories” – curiously dated phrases that echo the consciousness-raising lingo of the 1970s feminist movement.

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in the 1970s, this is just hashtag feminism. It’s full of grievance but utterly lacking in solutions or even ideas.

    Whereas the likes of Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller – the latter responsible for getting rape laws changed in the US with her unstinting history Against Our Will – were out tirelessly altering centuries-old structures of rank discrimination, women today just need to tell a personal sexual horror story tagged with a catchphrase plucked from an ever-shifting, ever-more-banal lexicon of "solidarity".

    So I won’t be joining the #metoo movement. My Facebook and Twitter accounts remain free of all mention of sexual harassment. Instead of “Me too?”, try “not me, sorry folks” on for size. Why this outrageous, socially almost criminal recalcitrance?

    First, I’m sick to death of hashtag feminism (and, indeed, hashtag a lot of things). It lacks the intellectual coherence put in place by our femininist foremothers in the 1970s and 80s. It is obsessed with sex and objectification rather than other forms of discrimination. And it doesn’t make the kind of arguments that would actually persuade those who most need the persuasion.

    By contrast, men who read, for instance, Brownmiller’s scholarly yet gripping Against Our Will emerged with a whole new arsenal of ideas about gender and humankind at the end. No amount of divisive hashtagging will achieve this. It just validates and entrenches a bitter rhetoric that pits women against men in a way that seems to be merely regressive rather than effective.

    #Metoo and its ilk are also futile – who exactly are these hashtags for? Seems to me this is yet another example of indignant performativity preached exclusively through tweets and posts and video clips to the converted rather than through ideas or action that might reach those beyond.

    Would the man who appeared in the shadows last night as I walked back from the station (no: I won’t tell you what he said) be impressed by the #metoo movement? He probably hasn’t heard of it.

    Nor do I like the inescapable whiff oozing off all this that women are, fundamentally and essentially, victims. Post-Weinstein scandal, it feels as though women are embracing a notion of ourselves in which we are bound by our own biology and men’s biological drives to be perpetually on the receiving end.

    [A black and white portrait of Steinem with a cat on her lap and crazy wallpaper everywhere
    Gloria Steinem's feminism carried intellectual weight behind it - CREDIT: AP PHOTO]

    #Metoo is underpinned ideologically, if it can be said to contain any ideas at all, by the idea of ubiquity. It is meant to shock by showing how widespread the problem is. The implication? Women the world over are victims. But while sexual harassment and far more seriously, sexual assault, is hugely widespread, there is more to life, to womanhood, and to relationships between the sexes, than that.

    I don’t like the way hashtags divide people into “Righteous and Aggrieved” and everyone else
    I can’t help it. I just don’t like the way hashtag “movements” divide people into “Righteous and Aggrieved” and everyone else.

    In this case, are women who strongly feel their lives have not been marred by sexual harassment or even those – gasp – who think there are worse things in the world than lewd comments by randoms or ill-conceived come-ons by older, fatter male bosses, allowed to speak?

    What about the women who secretly enjoy unlooked-for attention – including catcalls? And what of the women who find it funny, and snicker, when a man does something sexually inappropriate?

    What about women who just cannot remember the last time a man harassed them? What about those who, perhaps overweight, perhaps handicapped, perhaps just not attractive according to the norms of the day, feel painfully invisible, rather than preyed upon?

    Are these women also allowed to “speak out”? I’m not sure.

    Yes: too many men behave badly towards women because of sex. But hashtag feminism is not the answer. So, until we come up with something more substantive, I’m afraid it’ll be a “no thanks” from me.

    (end quoted material)
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    Thanks!
  • seraph
    Mercurian and Venusian First Decan Leo. Third Decan Aquarius Rising.
    40 years old male from Canada
    Posted by rabidtalker
    Anyone have access to the rest of this article? everyone wants me to pay money i'd rather spend on dxp points now... Sad


    www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/had-enough-metoo-hashtag-feminism-intellectual-laziness/

    I've had enough of MeToo 'hashtag feminism' and its intellectual laziness
    I was walking home from the station last night – lost in my phone – when…you can tell what’s coming, right? A tale of male predation, in which some bloke did something threatening/inappropriate/disgusting to me.

    You’ve heard a lot of these stories since the Harvey Weinstein harassment claims hit the news. And you’re about to hear a lot more. Since the weekend, women the internet over have begun posting under the #metoo hashtag and – like the fury over Weinstein’s misdemeanours – this "movement" is only gathering force.

    “Me too” refers to sexual harassment. It is intended to demonstrate just how widespread this aspect of female experience is. It is also intended to galvanise as many women as possible to “speak out”, to “tell their stories” – curiously dated phrases that echo the consciousness-raising lingo of the 1970s feminist movement.

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in...

    ...


    You can actually sign up for free and view one Premium article per week.

    So, here's a week's worth put to good use:


    ---------------

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/had-enough-metoo-hashtag-feminism-intellectual-laziness/

    (begin quoted material)

    I've had enough of MeToo 'hashtag feminism' and its intellectual laziness
    ZOE STRIMPEL

    I was walking home from the station last night – lost in my phone – when…you can tell what’s coming, right? A tale of male predation, in which some bloke did something threatening/inappropriate/disgusting to me.

    You’ve heard a lot of these stories since the Harvey Weinstein harassment claims hit the news. And you’re about to hear a lot more. Since the weekend, women the internet over have begun posting under the #metoo hashtag and – like the fury over Weinstein’s misdemeanours – this "movement" is only gathering force.

    The inescapable whiff oozing off all this is that women are, fundamentally and essentially, victims
    “Me too” refers to sexual harassment. It is intended to demonstrate just how widespread this aspect of female experience is. It is also intended to galvanise as many women as possible to “speak out”, to “tell their stories” – curiously dated phrases that echo the consciousness-raising lingo of the 1970s feminist movement.

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in the 1970s, this is just hashtag feminism. It’s full of grievance but utterly lacking in solutions or even ideas.

    Whereas the likes of Gloria Steinem and Susan Brownmiller – the latter responsible for getting rape laws changed in the US with her unstinting history Against Our Will – were out tirelessly altering centuries-old structures of rank discrimination, women today just need to tell a personal sexual horror story tagged with a catchphrase plucked from an ever-shifting, ever-more-banal lexicon of "solidarity".

    So I won’t be joining the #metoo movement. My Facebook and Twitter accounts remain free of all mention of sexual harassment. Instead of “Me too?”, try “not me, sorry folks” on for size. Why this outrageous, socially almost criminal recalcitrance?

    First, I’m sick to death of hashtag feminism (and, indeed, hashtag a lot of things). It lacks the intellectual coherence put in place by our femininist foremothers in the 1970s and 80s. It is obsessed with sex and objectification rather than other forms of discrimination. And it doesn’t make the kind of arguments that would actually persuade those who most need the persuasion.

    By contrast, men who read, for instance, Brownmiller’s scholarly yet gripping Against Our Will emerged with a whole new arsenal of ideas about gender and humankind at the end. No amount of divisive hashtagging will achieve this. It just validates and entrenches a bitter rhetoric that pits women against men in a way that seems to be merely regressive rather than effective.

    #Metoo and its ilk are also futile – who exactly are these hashtags for? Seems to me this is yet another example of indignant performativity preached exclusively through tweets and posts and video clips to the converted rather than through ideas or action that might reach those beyond.

    Would the man who appeared in the shadows last night as I walked back from the station (no: I won’t tell you what he said) be impressed by the #metoo movement? He probably hasn’t heard of it.

    Nor do I like the inescapable whiff oozing off all this that women are, fundamentally and essentially, victims. Post-Weinstein scandal, it feels as though women are embracing a notion of ourselves in which we are bound by our own biology and men’s biological drives to be perpetually on the receiving end.

    [A black and white portrait of Steinem with a cat on her lap and crazy wallpaper everywhere
    Gloria Steinem's feminism carried intellectual weight behind it - CREDIT: AP PHOTO]

    #Metoo is underpinned ideologically, if it can be said to contain any ideas at all, by the idea of ubiquity. It is meant to shock by showing how widespread the problem is. The implication? Women the world over are victims. But while sexual harassment and far more seriously, sexual assault, is hugely widespread, there is more to life, to womanhood, and to relationships between the sexes, than that.

    I don’t like the way hashtags divide people into “Righteous and Aggrieved” and everyone else
    I can’t help it. I just don’t like the way hashtag “movements” divide people into “Righteous and Aggrieved” and everyone else.

    In this case, are women who strongly feel their lives have not been marred by sexual harassment or even those – gasp – who think there are worse things in the world than lewd comments by randoms or ill-conceived come-ons by older, fatter male bosses, allowed to speak?

    What about the women who secretly enjoy unlooked-for attention – including catcalls? And what of the women who find it funny, and snicker, when a man does something sexually inappropriate?

    What about women who just cannot remember the last time a man harassed them? What about those who, perhaps overweight, perhaps handicapped, perhaps just not attractive according to the norms of the day, feel painfully invisible, rather than preyed upon?

    Are these women also allowed to “speak out”? I’m not sure.

    Yes: too many men behave badly towards women because of sex. But hashtag feminism is not the answer. So, until we come up with something more substantive, I’m afraid it’ll be a “no thanks” from me.

    (end quoted material)
    --------------
  • rabidtalker
    My natal chart is in my profile photos.
    Anyone have access to the rest of this article? everyone wants me to pay money i'd rather spend on dxp points now... Sad


    www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/had-enough-metoo-hashtag-feminism-intellectual-laziness/

    I've had enough of MeToo 'hashtag feminism' and its intellectual laziness
    I was walking home from the station last night – lost in my phone – when…you can tell what’s coming, right? A tale of male predation, in which some bloke did something threatening/inappropriate/disgusting to me.

    You’ve heard a lot of these stories since the Harvey Weinstein harassment claims hit the news. And you’re about to hear a lot more. Since the weekend, women the internet over have begun posting under the #metoo hashtag and – like the fury over Weinstein’s misdemeanours – this "movement" is only gathering force.

    “Me too” refers to sexual harassment. It is intended to demonstrate just how widespread this aspect of female experience is. It is also intended to galvanise as many women as possible to “speak out”, to “tell their stories” – curiously dated phrases that echo the consciousness-raising lingo of the 1970s feminist movement.

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in...

    ...EDIT... found the rest..

    Except that unlike the Women’s Liberation Movement in the 1970s, this is just hashtag feminism. It’s full of grievance but utterly lacking in solutions or even ideas.

    Whereas the likes of Gloria Steinem (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/gloria-steinem-women-get-more-radical-with-age-men-get-more-cons/) and Susan Brownmiller – the latter responsible for getting rape laws changed in the US with her unstinting history Against Our Will (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1382563/A-brutal-weapon-of-ancient-and-modern-warfare.html) – were out tirelessly altering centuries-old structures of rank discrimination, women today just need to tell a personal sexual horror story tagged with a catchphrase plucked from an ever-shifting, ever-more-banal lexicon of "solidarity".

    So I won’t be joining the #metoo movement. My Facebook and Twitter accounts remain free of all mention of sexual harassment. Instead of “Me too?”, try “not me, sorry folks” on for size. Why this outrageous, socially almost criminal recalcitrance?

    First, I’m sick to death of hashtag feminism (and, indeed, hashtag a lot of things). It lacks the intellectual coherence put in place by our femininist foremothers in the 1970s and 80s. It is obsessed with sex and objectification rather than other forms of discrimination. And it doesn’t make the kind of arguments that would actually persuade those who most need the persuasion.

    By contrast, men who read, for instance, Brownmiller’s scholarly yet gripping Against Our Will emerged with a whole new arsenal of ideas about gender and humankind at the end. No amount of divisive hashtagging will achieve this. It just validates and entrenches a bitter rhetoric that pits women against men in a way that seems to be merely regressive rather than effective.

    #Metoo and its ilk are also futile – who exactly are these hashtags for? Seems to me this is yet another example of indignant performativity preached exclusively through tweets and posts and video clips to the converted rather than through ideas or action that might reach those beyond.

    Would the man who appeared in the shadows last night as I walked back from the station (no: I won’t tell you what he said) be impressed by the #metoo movement? He probably hasn’t heard of it.

    Nor do I like the inescapable whiff oozing off all this that women are, fundamentally and essentially, victims. Post-Weinstein scandal, it feels as though women are embracing a notion of ourselves in which we are bound by our own biology and men’s biological drives to be perpetually on the receiving end.

    #Metoo is underpinned ideologically, if it can be said to contain any ideas at all, by the idea of ubiquity. It is meant to shock by showing how widespread the problem is. The implication? Women the world over are victims. But while sexual harassment and far more seriously, sexual assault, is hugely widespread, there is more to life, to womanhood, and to relationships between the sexes, than that.

    I can’t help it. I just don’t like the way hashtag “movements” divide people into “Righteous and Aggrieved” and everyone else.

    In this case, are women who strongly feel their lives have not been marred by sexual harassment or even those – gasp – who think there are worse things in the world than lewd comments by randoms or ill-conceived come-ons by older, fatter male bosses, allowed to speak?

    What about the women who secretly enjoy unlooked for attention – including catcalls? And what of the women who find it funny, and snicker, when a man does something sexually inappropriate? What about women who just cannot remember the last time a man harassed them? What about those who, perhaps overweight, perhaps handicapped, perhaps just not attractive according to the norms of the day, feel painfully invisible, rather than preyed upon?

    Are these women also allowed to “speak out”? I’m not sure.

    Yes: too many men behave badly towards women because of sex. But hashtag feminism is not the answer. So, until we come up with something more substantive, I’m afraid it’ll be a “no thanks” from me.
  • nikkistar
    My moral compass acts like its in the Bermuda Triangle
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Rindaroo
    Well yes you want to hide it, but how do you know it's just attention seeking.. you don't know what winen have gone through. Maybe this #metoo is a form of support for those who have been sexually assaulted or raped.

    Have some compassion.


    Nope, not going to have compassion for this type of behavior.

    I will reserve compassion for the women that have actually been raped or severely sexually assaulted, and live with it and refuse to be victims.

    I am not going to have compassion for these idiots. And you can almost always tell the fabricated stories, from the real ones.


    So how do you personally tell the truth between those who have been assaulted compared to those who are just jumping the bandwagon.

    I certainly hope your statement of "living with it" and not being a victim comes from a place of personal experience.... because lets be honest here, People deal with things differently.

    So if someone wants to hashtag metoo. Who are you to judge who is really a victim or not, because I assume you wrote the textbook to "coping and living with it"


    Nothing against you, so dont take this personal.

    Please refer to the 2 last pages. I am tired of repeating myself and the low key women whom dont understand that i want fairness when things are obviously lies.


    Yeah I kinda stopped reading the thread at page 4 so apologies if you have explained.

    I think its easy for us to judge how others deal with things. Just because you put on your right shoe first while I put on my left, does not mean we doing it wrong was my point.

    Two sisters are raped in one family....

    One commits suicide over it because she cant cope or deal with what happened to her.

    The other sister may decide to tweet/post #metoo.

    Just saying.

    Edit to add: Also what one person will feel is harassment the next person may not. If my friend slaps me on my ass and I don't like it, I could view this has sexual harassment. If the same friend slaps another friend on the ass, it could be seen as a joke.



    It is not the validity of the stories that I have an issue with, nor discrediting them all together. Again, I will state that I believe all women have a story of some from of sexual harassment. Be it a catcall, a smack on the ass, etc...

    It is the obvious exaggeration of those stories, or the oneupsmanship nature that I am seeing that annoys me.


    Ok, I can see your point and agree somewhat. I think it was more the part where you said "and live with it and refuse to be victims" that just got to me :-)

    Anyway I understand now and didn't mean to single you out, as I say I stopped reading the thread... sorry if you felt I did single you out.



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    You didn't, and if I came off as attacking you, or annoyed with you, sorry.
  • Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Rising Scorpio, Libra sun, Gemini moon, Virgo Merc & Venus, Cancer Mars & Jupit
    female from London
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Rindaroo
    Well yes you want to hide it, but how do you know it's just attention seeking.. you don't know what winen have gone through. Maybe this #metoo is a form of support for those who have been sexually assaulted or raped.

    Have some compassion.


    Nope, not going to have compassion for this type of behavior.

    I will reserve compassion for the women that have actually been raped or severely sexually assaulted, and live with it and refuse to be victims.

    I am not going to have compassion for these idiots. And you can almost always tell the fabricated stories, from the real ones.


    So how do you personally tell the truth between those who have been assaulted compared to those who are just jumping the bandwagon.

    I certainly hope your statement of "living with it" and not being a victim comes from a place of personal experience.... because lets be honest here, People deal with things differently.

    So if someone wants to hashtag metoo. Who are you to judge who is really a victim or not, because I assume you wrote the textbook to "coping and living with it"


    Nothing against you, so dont take this personal.

    Please refer to the 2 last pages. I am tired of repeating myself and the low key women whom dont understand that i want fairness when things are obviously lies.


    Yeah I kinda stopped reading the thread at page 4 so apologies if you have explained.

    I think its easy for us to judge how others deal with things. Just because you put on your right shoe first while I put on my left, does not mean we doing it wrong was my point.

    Two sisters are raped in one family....

    One commits suicide over it because she cant cope or deal with what happened to her.

    The other sister may decide to tweet/post #metoo.

    Just saying.

    Edit to add: Also what one person will feel is harassment the next person may not. If my friend slaps me on my ass and I don't like it, I could view this has sexual harassment. If the same friend slaps another friend on the ass, it could be seen as a joke.



    It is not the validity of the stories that I have an issue with, nor discrediting them all together. Again, I will state that I believe all women have a story of some from of sexual harassment. Be it a catcall, a smack on the ass, etc...

    It is the obvious exaggeration of those stories, or the oneupsmanship nature that I am seeing that annoys me.
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    Ok, I can see your point and agree somewhat. I think it was more the part where you said "and live with it and refuse to be victims" that just got to me :-)

    Anyway I understand now and didn't mean to single you out, as I say I stopped reading the thread... sorry if you felt I did single you out.



  • nikkistar
    My moral compass acts like its in the Bermuda Triangle
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Queenofthepheasantfairies
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Rindaroo
    Well yes you want to hide it, but how do you know it's just attention seeking.. you don't know what winen have gone through. Maybe this #metoo is a form of support for those who have been sexually assaulted or raped.

    Have some compassion.


    Nope, not going to have compassion for this type of behavior.

    I will reserve compassion for the women that have actually been raped or severely sexually assaulted, and live with it and refuse to be victims.

    I am not going to have compassion for these idiots. And you can almost always tell the fabricated stories, from the real ones.


    So how do you personally tell the truth between those who have been assaulted compared to those who are just jumping the bandwagon.

    I certainly hope your statement of "living with it" and not being a victim comes from a place of personal experience.... because lets be honest here, People deal with things differently.

    So if someone wants to hashtag metoo. Who are you to judge who is really a victim or not, because I assume you wrote the textbook to "coping and living with it"


    Nothing against you, so dont take this personal.

    Please refer to the 2 last pages. I am tired of repeating myself and the low key women whom dont understand that i want fairness when things are obviously lies.


    Yeah I kinda stopped reading the thread at page 4 so apologies if you have explained.

    I think its easy for us to judge how others deal with things. Just because you put on your right shoe first while I put on my left, does not mean we doing it wrong was my point.

    Two sisters are raped in one family....

    One commits suicide over it because she cant cope or deal with what happened to her.

    The other sister may decide to tweet/post #metoo.

    Just saying.

    Edit to add: Also what one person will feel is harassment the next person may not. If my friend slaps me on my ass and I don't like it, I could view this has sexual harassment. If the same friend slaps another friend on the ass, it could be seen as a joke.

    click to expand


    It is not the validity of the stories that I have an issue with, nor discrediting them all together. Again, I will state that I believe all women have a story of some from of sexual harassment. Be it a catcall, a smack on the ass, etc...

    It is the obvious exaggeration of those stories, or the oneupsmanship nature that I am seeing that annoys me.
  • tiziani
    Venusian Gigolo
    Posted by Blackburn
    Posted by tiziani
    Posted by Blackburn
    Posted by enfant_terrible
    Lumping together having your ass groped at the club with being raped is kinda dramatic imo

    ----
    We live in a culture where the speech of victims is diminished continuously: 'oh, that is being dramatic' 'is not that serious'. Why is people who haven't experienced something deciding its value? If you have and you don't consider it that dramatic, congrats, move on and respect others feelings.

    I get there is a difference, we all get there is a difference. We are not comparing different experiences, the tag is there so that all people can tell us theirs, many times situations that seem normal to many (you) but not to the people who suffered it. Is your comment the reason why this tag exists.


    I disagree strongly.

    What I see where I am, is speech of victims promoted and exploited.

    A victim's experience is diminished yes.The part that gets diminished is caring for yourself (as a survivor) and caring for other people.

    All of that gets lost under people talking about the right way to talk about it.

    People here in the UK are profiting off of feeling sorry for others, without doing anything to care about what actually happened.

    To me the important thing is whether someone is encouraged to feel whatever they need to feel, whenever they want, and get through it when they want to.

    I feel this way about trauma in general, not necessarily knowing that much about rape or sexual abuse (even second or third hand among people I know).

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    (Bolded) If what you mean the problem is focusing on the experience instead of on solutions I'd say the objective of this specific 'movement' is just visibilization.

    I agree there can be negative consequences (trivialization, for example) and it shouldn't end here as it doesn't really give a solution, but if it encourages people to speak and sensitizes some people I'm fine with it. I haven't argued this is the ultimate tool to fight violence against women, I just clarified what is for.
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    To me the problem is people here in the UK campaigning for trauma don't care about the people they campaign for, and don't care about the follow through. They don't even care what the person's experience is, as long as it's a story good enough to spin and use for their campaign. And what happens to the person who's lived through the trauma, they're left to do it all by themselves.

    That's the simplest way I can put it.
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