Is Truth Subjective?

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Posted by Cvurko8


I use to watch a ton of vsauce, and watching that video in the past. I just watched it again to refresh what it was about.

Personally I believe in realism. Sure it's impossible to prove what reality is and what happens after, much like it's impossible to truly explain the reason why we dream. The last 27 years however I ended the day by laying down, and started a new one by waking up. Everything has made sense and been pretty consistent thus far. I never woke up in a different life, and have felt the same memories, pain, and joy the exact same way I always have. Can I prove this to be reality to others outside myself? Not really, but it still doesn't change the fact that everything I've expirence in life has been real to what my entire life has consisted of thus far. I also fully believe it will continue doing so until the day I die. Then who knows what happens after. I'm more of a fan for making things make sense now, and when then comes I'll do the same. I feel the people trying to make things more confusing then they actually are tend to become blind to the matters at hand now. I don't blame them whatsoever though, because the counter of any argument has the potential to make knowledge more refined and efficient.
tiziani
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The biggest benefit imo is asking questions.

But I suppose it depends on what you're aim is - adventure and saying risky butter is a personal aim for me. Stuff I can get blackballed for, I'm still not there yet and that's never going to happen in astrology. My family was much closer to doing that on a regular basis in investigative journalism.

You need both the true and false side of what you know, to ask the right questions and unlock what you didn't know before. Lies hold just as much valuable information if not more than the truth. You only need to play the fork in the road game to see.

Anytime we've discovered something we didn't know before, it comes about from overall negative information. Entropy happens on the same basis of negative energy.

More than that, no matter what we know or prove, we'll be long gone and the universe might very possibly still be there after.

So even we adhere to objective truths for a while, what does it matter? It's only one piece of a bigger puzzle. Someone tried to say that believing in subjecting truths is motivated by wanting to be a special snowflake, but that's based on the assumption that the truth is important to anyone. It isn't that important to me. Once I stopped get hung up over true or false, that was a little bit of humility for me in the same way that people say "objective truth" or reality is humbling for them. What does it matter which way you go about it, if the end result is the same?

"The world does not exist for us to know it."
DeadInside
they'll bend the knee
no it's not, but not everybody have the same intelligence
Posted by xyinsaturn
When does truth fit to be objective/subjective?


You can find the answer in your question (and the words you used / their meaning).

Though, ofc, if you want to complicate things - unnecessarily... That's also an option.

Usually, an answer can only be as good as the question.

Weeds
27% of the world has homicidal tendencies... the rest are just victims
" I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.
xyinsaturn
Saturn's daughter
When does truth fit to be objective/subjective?
xyinsaturn
Saturn's daughter
Posted by Terramine
Posted by xyinsaturn
Other people don't think it's wrong.
Oh noez! Oh gee oh my. What ever shall I do? All this mountain of evidence and logic that says it's wrong, goes down the drain. All because there are people who have a different opinion. Oh noooo. Oh gosh.

P.S: You realize I could've used "sex with children" as the example instead, and I doubt you'd dare to say what you just did.
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Lol such aqua/libra vibe 💕
This question is really obscure. Truth about what?
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That is unless science progresses to a point humans make a way to actually become immortal.
This is probably the smartest thing you've ever said. However, you definitely exaggerate because while you did do a complete 180 flip. It wasn't until about 4/5ths of the way down. You wrote a huge ass paragraph, basically going over the exact opposite. So if I managed to stop 3/5ths of the way there thinking I got the gist of what you were going to say. Well... shrug.


Truth be told I though about it all day. Just trying to find a way to find an absolute truth. Then I thought about death. I started thinking about how death is an absolute truth because it's guaranteed.


death may be a certainty from our point of view and this again for an incredibly long time, despite the greatest advancements of science, but
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die"
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Death can't die. Things are destined to die, but death itself is an important fundamental to the balance of this universe. I believe humans on this earth will become extinct long before we progress far into the universe or become immortal. Maybe our spirit or energy will, but our message as of now won't. There is a balance in this universe. From the nebuals making stars to the black holes sucking it all up there is a perfect balance. It can be found anywhere. With darkness and light, hot and cold, hate and love, truth and lies, or life and death. Every single thing needs an opposite for everything else to exist in the first place. Without one the other will cease to exist.

Posted by Cvurko8
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Nope. There is only truth. After you've sifted through every single lie at the very end of the chain is a solid truth. It's like fixing a car or computer. It's just a process of elimination till there is absolutely nothing left except the one and only problem making it all malfunction.


Do you think we can find absolute truth ifbwe work as a collective


We already have. It's none other then death. Hear me out for a minute. Something like death is an absolute truth. We know this because we all witness it and view it happening around us. It's guaranteed, and nothing can stop it. It's just simple and basic knowledge so we don't think to deeply into it. Other things in life are too complex for our human minds to figure out. That and humans like to view an object from all sides rather then just 1. Because of this we somewhat freak out when things don't make sense, and make the most logical decision on a situation depending on what we've analyzed and what other people think. Back to the basics though death is an absolute truth. Everyone is 100% guaranteed die eventually. That is unless science progresses to a point humans make a way to actually become immortal. Dammit I'm doing it again! I'm taking my point and completely proving it wrong as I go. Curse you infinite information and knowledge!



Even now death is uncertain. There is the theory of reincarnation combined with philosophers, like Descartes, presenting us with the possibility that the human body may not exist from a broader perspective than that of humans and our dimension.
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I'm fully for believing in reincarnation, the spirit, and God. I was just keeping it on a physical level of now and keeping afterlife out of the equation. For now when I get cut it hurts and I feel pain, and if I bleed our I die. As of now that is still a law of nature.

hydorah
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Posted by Soul
Posted by Terramine
Posted by Soul
That is unless science progresses to a point humans make a way to actually become immortal.
This is probably the smartest thing you've ever said. However, you definitely exaggerate because while you did do a complete 180 flip. It wasn't until about 4/5ths of the way down. You wrote a huge ass paragraph, basically going over the exact opposite. So if I managed to stop 3/5ths of the way there thinking I got the gist of what you were going to say. Well... shrug.


Truth be told I though about it all day. Just trying to find a way to find an absolute truth. Then I thought about death. I started thinking about how death is an absolute truth because it's guaranteed.
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death may be a certainty from our point of view and this again for an incredibly long time, despite the greatest advancements of science, but
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die"
Posted by Terramine
Posted by Soul
That means the image of myself can never truly die, making myself immortal. I'm too drunk for this. I could die right here right now, but somewhere else another image of me has already found immortality. So the creation of anything in existence is technically already immortal, but also not immortal at the same time. Reality is nothing but a line branching out in different possibilities, but still connected at the same time. So if I pick up this gun and shoot myself in the head I won't actually die. Because I can die. The law of the universes doesn't accept suicide from anything it fabricated out of nothing. The energy that makes you can't die, simply because on the other branch of reality you didn't die. The first path you didn't pick up the gun, and didn't pull the trigger. On the other the bullet got jammed and didn't go off. Then another path you got distract at the last second. Brb I need to test this.
Eh, you'll die in the biological sense. But odds are your consciousness will just merge with the nearest duplicate of yourself within the multiverse. Or somethin like that. You wouldn't remember this life tho, so you won't realize what has happened. You'll just see it as you waking up in the morning.
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That's actually pretty butterty. So far the last 27 years I've woke up as the same person with the same butterty thoughts and life style as I've always had. To think about living the same life over and over makes me feel trapped. Hopefully I can live the more extreme or even more passive route eventually. Who knows, maybe the most advanced form of myself already experienced the extreme and passive route many times, and said treetrunk it I'll take the average normal route this time. I feel my last words in this life would be "Its about time for a change."
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Just trying to find a way to find an absolute truth.
I think the answer is more complicated than that. Than "A Truth". I mean with the kind of butter I've learned. You probably haven't heard of Complex Numbers. But needless to say, mathematics becomes unfathomably more complicated when you delve into them. Like so complicated it becomes purely abstract, even more so than "puny" algebra. We're talking computing the operation between mathematical variables from multiple planes of existence and butter.

When you start seeing reality from this reference point and really starting to grasp how it TRULY does surpass our own comprehension. As in there are laws of physics that are comprehensible by certain levels of intelligence we don't have. Physics that makes our most advanced physics look like a retard's scrawlings made of literal feces. Well what you start to realize is. Truth is something less fixed to begin with. That isn't to say there isn't "absolute" truth. But that at the absolute level, it is pure FLUID. Or even geometrically beyond the 3 dimensions of spacetime. Truth becomes unhinged so that it is paradoxically set on whatever it needs to be in any given context to make reality "work", absolutely.

What I mean is. Take what you just said in this post for instance. With the conception of Multiverse theory and the implications. A fundamental truth we are faced with is that while Denver had won the super bowl relatively recently. There's a universe where THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, SO IT'S /NOT/ TRUE. Simultaneous to the fact that it IS true. So it both is, and isn't. This is an example of how schrodinger's superimposed possibility applies on a macroscopic scale. But the most important and world changing part of this is that. Literally, if someone were to say "The Broncos have won every single super bowl since their inception." They would be wrong in reference to this universe. But inevitably right in reference to some other universe that inevitably exists. So they are wrong, and they are right. Both are objectively true.

The best way I can explain this in the grand scheme of things is that, truth is nothing more than "truth for truth's sake". It is that which defines what is real. But what is real is not limited in any shape or way in it's truest form. We can view this as "imminent truth" VS "transcendental truth". Imminent truth is the absolute fact in the moment of our subjective reference point, that defines what WILL happen here and now. But Transcendental Truth is by it's very geometry. Limitless in form, shape, mass, etc. So it's not a specific fact but every, all, and any fact. All at the same time.
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That means the image of myself can never truly die, making myself immortal. I'm too drunk for this. I could die right here right now, but somewhere else another image of me has already found immortality. So the creation of anything in existence is technically already immortal, but also not immortal at the same time. Reality is nothing but a line branching out in different possibilities, but still connected at the same time. So if I pick up this gun and shoot myself in the head I won't actually die. Because I can die. The law of the universes doesn't accept suicide from anything it fabricated out of nothing. The energy that makes you can't die, simply because on the other branch of reality you didn't die. The first path you didn't pick up the gun, and didn't pull the trigger. On the other the bullet got jammed and didn't go off. Then another path you got distract at the last second. Brb I need to test this.


LibraLovesHim
Moon Cap/Scorp ascen/Venus Lib
Yes. It's a mirror to the truth seeker.
Posted by Terramine
Posted by Soul
That is unless science progresses to a point humans make a way to actually become immortal.
This is probably the smartest thing you've ever said. However, you definitely exaggerate because while you did do a complete 180 flip. It wasn't until about 4/5ths of the way down. You wrote a huge ass paragraph, basically going over the exact opposite. So if I managed to stop 3/5ths of the way there thinking I got the gist of what you were going to say. Well... shrug.
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Truth be told I though about it all day. Just trying to find a way to find an absolute truth. Then I thought about death. I started thinking about how death is an absolute truth because it's guaranteed. I was trying my best to go against the grain. Then I realized it's guaranteed now, but science could eventually flaw that. So when I made my post I did the same thing my thoughts did earlier this day.

Then I started to think about how the idea of information and knowledge being infinite could help the theory of a singularly on a physical level. If infinity can exist on a mental level and in numbers, then why couldn't it exist on a physical level in reality? Which if that's the case and reality is infinite that means you and I are having this exact same conversation an infinite amount of times. Including the infinite amount of places this conversation is slightly distorted, or completely opposite from now. That idea is nothing special though. Because an infinite amount of people would have already thought that long before me, and will continue doing so long after.
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