lisabeth
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Posted by blackphasehow about abuse? can you forgive abuse??
I can agree with the "can forgive but not forget" for the Scorps. I have a lot of Scorp placements and this is very true for me.

Posted by lisabethur8If it's 'forgettable' then there's probably nothing to forgive in the first place.. duh, I don't think anyone forgets. Maybe the Air heads.
I believe that fire sign/fire dominant have the ability to forgive alot.
i keep reading that Scorpio /Scorpio dominant forgives but dont forget.
Also, what do you think about air dominant folks?
Posted by Vixen2i find that my cappy mother in law (although she is aqua dominant) she's not pisces dominant or has 12th house but she has pisces moon singularity.
I vote Pisces as one of the most forgiving. I was once told I had a huge capacity for forgiveness but I see the gray in alot of situations. And it depends on how severe the action was to require forgiveness which everyone has their own threshold hold on what's worthy and isnt.
I vote Capricorn as least forgiving in my own personal experience with my mother.

Posted by lisabethur8Yes, air signs forgive very easy.
so i was just thinking after the other topic, about forgiveness.
what signs do you think are prone to forgiveness.
how noble are you?
I believe that fire sign/fire dominant have the ability to forgive alot.
i keep reading that Scorpio /Scorpio dominant forgives but dont forget.
Also, what do you think about air dominant folks? Do you believe they forgive? or are they too detached to notice the bad deeds and just forget too mcuh due to detachment? Like the Nutty professor kind of thing?
How about earthy folks?

Posted by lnana04wow for a double aqua mother, she is very emotional. does she have a water venus and water mars ?? maybe water merc?
I think Caps are very capable of forgiving if there is a extremely detailed reason why a person did whatever.
My Aqua mother forgives easily, but she'll have her moments where she'll go back and relive it all, and it will sometimes bring her to tears. A minor situation with my Cap father the other day made her go back to the past and she revealed that she basically hates him, so its a weird kind of forgiveness. His phone accidently called her this morning and she was yelling his name through it and laughing a bit trying to listen to what he was saying, so I guess shes not mad anymore.
Posted by FyzaGemsyes, i can see this.
I forgive and I forget. I don't see a point to dwell on the past. I've got better things to do. As long as the person is sincere when he/she apologize, I'm more than willing to put it behind and moves on. UNLESS it's MURDER..that will be an exception especially if it has got to do with my loved ones. I'm a Gemini btw. ŠŠ
Posted by MarchPisc3salot of pisces suns have aquarius venus.
Forgiving: Air Signs
Unforgiving: Water Signs

Posted by TxOgalsounds like NEMO....
I forget but dont forgive lol..
Posted by Damnataif the virgo loves you alot, there's alot of forgiveness, and even may forget.
From my experience..virgos.
They'll forgive and be graceful about it. Might not engage you further but they will be polite and cordial.
To me Pisces are one of the most self-righteous signs in this department. I really don't see them forgive easily a slight..none of the water signs actually.
However I've noticed to onlookers it appears the exact opposite: Virgos don't forgive/forget, Pisces all forgive/forget.
Posted by Sage50I always believed fixed signs take longer to forgive since they're fixed on ways.
Do Fixed signs really forgive easily ? I would think they hold onto a grudge
Posted by AL4813maybe if they are fixed moon /fixed dominant?Posted by Sage50I always believed fixed signs take longer to forgive since they're fixed on ways.
Do Fixed signs really forgive easily ? I would think they hold onto a grudgeclick to expand
Posted by FrostAndBitebravo!!! i so agree. The hardships and heartache is what makes us or breaks, Molds us.
If total forgiveness is forgetting, then I have never forgiven anything that needs forgiveness. Cancer moon is incapable of forgetting.
Then again I always thought the concept of forgetting was stupid. Why forget lessons? Why forget experience? Why forget patterns of proof? Aren't these the things that shape us? Adversity, struggle and pain leave marks for a reason. I think the idea of 'forgive and forget' seems noble in words, but in has very little substance behind it if you really push. It's a nice sentiment, to want to believe that you can start with a clean slate after some violation, everyone loves a redemption story. Yet I think there's greater value in remembering than forgetting though. You can remember out of spite, but you can also remember out of honor.
Posted by lisabethur8Pisces Mars lolPosted by lnana04wow for a double aqua mother, she is very emotional. does she have a water venus and water mars ?? maybe water merc?
I think Caps are very capable of forgiving if there is a extremely detailed reason why a person did whatever.
My Aqua mother forgives easily, but she'll have her moments where she'll go back and relive it all, and it will sometimes bring her to tears. A minor situation with my Cap father the other day made her go back to the past and she revealed that she basically hates him, so its a weird kind of forgiveness. His phone accidently called her this morning and she was yelling his name through it and laughing a bit trying to listen to what he was saying, so I guess shes not mad anymore.click to expand
Posted by CaptainPimpyes i can see that! sort of like, if i let you in my circle, and my life, forgiveness is very easy. because i have loved that person on a deeper level.
Depends on my relationship with you, but pisces are most forgiving it seems.
I cant for the love of god stay mad on someone. I actually beat myself sometimes about it.
"Am so mad i wont talk to uuu for 5 days!"
I day later " how u? lez talk".
Maybe it also has to do with the fact that i lack many friends, and i got noone to socialize with if i am mad at them xD.
Idk, pisces things.
Posted by lnana04heehee. i thought so...somewhere in the personal planets.Posted by lisabethur8Pisces Mars lolPosted by lnana04wow for a double aqua mother, she is very emotional. does she have a water venus and water mars ?? maybe water merc?
I think Caps are very capable of forgiving if there is a extremely detailed reason why a person did whatever.
My Aqua mother forgives easily, but she'll have her moments where she'll go back and relive it all, and it will sometimes bring her to tears. A minor situation with my Cap father the other day made her go back to the past and she revealed that she basically hates him, so its a weird kind of forgiveness. His phone accidently called her this morning and she was yelling his name through it and laughing a bit trying to listen to what he was saying, so I guess shes not mad anymore.click to expand


Posted by lisabethur8Thats why Im scared of Virgo men. I cant do no more earth/earth. It can definitely turn you bitter.
i find that my cappy mother in law (although she is aqua dominant) she's not pisces dominant or has 12th house but she has pisces moon singularity.
and she forgave alot with her ex husband double virgo, for leaving her, and through their troubled times, which was intense.
however, the memory of it still is haunting and she never forgets, so sometimes if the memory is resurfaced the pain of it sounds like a bitter pill coming from her lips.
but she is very forgiving. Double virgo father in law is super forgiving as long as he doesn't have to see /deal with that person again. (kind of like a Scorpio) but he is dominant Scorpio with mercury, venus, mars in Scorpio.
Posted by lnana04my aqua farther has pisces venus and he does not forgive if someone really crossed him even though he is a kind hearted person. my cap mother has no water in her chart. leo moon aries mars. very forgiving.Posted by lisabethur8Pisces Mars lolPosted by lnana04wow for a double aqua mother, she is very emotional. does she have a water venus and water mars ?? maybe water merc?
I think Caps are very capable of forgiving if there is a extremely detailed reason why a person did whatever.
My Aqua mother forgives easily, but she'll have her moments where she'll go back and relive it all, and it will sometimes bring her to tears. A minor situation with my Cap father the other day made her go back to the past and she revealed that she basically hates him, so its a weird kind of forgiveness. His phone accidently called her this morning and she was yelling his name through it and laughing a bit trying to listen to what he was saying, so I guess shes not mad anymore.click to expand

Posted by FrostAndBiteI don't take 'forget' literally. I have a very good memory for people and places and dates. I was a history major, it's my thing. Not photographic memory but I was in a bank during a robbery once. My description of the suspect and events matched the video. Police commented on how accurate I was. I have a bar trick my friends like. My friends will come up to me and tell me to close my eyes, then ask me to describe ten items in the room. So I might tell them the manufacturer and size of the tv, describe a few people, list the beers on tap, list the bottles on the top shelf, how many windows and doors there are and their orientation to North. They call it my Rainman impression.
If total forgiveness is forgetting, then I have never forgiven anything that needs forgiveness. Cancer moon is incapable of forgetting.
Then again I always thought the concept of forgetting was stupid. Why forget lessons? Why forget experience? Why forget patterns of proof? Aren't these the things that shape us? Adversity, struggle and pain leave marks for a reason. I think the idea of 'forgive and forget' seems noble in words, but in has very little substance behind it if you really push. It's a nice sentiment, to want to believe that you can start with a clean slate after some violation, everyone loves a redemption story. Yet I think there's greater value in remembering than forgetting though. You can remember out of spite, but you can also remember out of honor.
Posted by iCloud9It sounds like you don't hold grudges to begin with. You don't NEED to forgive in the first place. You're rightly indignant and you impose consequences and then move on. When someone wrongs you and you hold a grudge against them, it eats you up. It's hard to think about anything else and either feeling hurt or wanting to destroy them. Or even feeling hurt and wanting to destroy them. It's unhealthy. If you don't experience this, that's fantastic and very healthy! If you're like me, you have an unhealthy response and it takes up a much larger part of your life than the perpetrator deserves to have control over your life.
i also do not victimize myself. may be that's one of the reasons that i take action to sever ties when there is no longer trust. why bother?

Posted by justagirlHaha yes keeping a negative relationship with a person is so draining lol, it just seem to out the vitality in us because we have to ignore them everytime those people appear? Too troublesome, rather be the nice "hi & bye" type even when i dislikes that person.
I have been told i am too forgiving. I personally don't think i am. i just know which battles are the ones to fight.
Hanging onto anger and resentment takes too much energy. Don't get me wrong i do get angry, not going to bs about that.
I'm also not so sure about what a few others said that if you haven't forgotten you haven't forgiven.
There are people i have truly forgiven for some pretty major things that have happened but still recall it. It was to my benefit to forgive, again holding that anger and resentment would have done more harm than good.

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthouseWise words. Life will give us lots of butter to make us better person. Treat those bad encounters as Life's painful lesson. The more people hold grudges, the more they give off negative vibes which will keep nice people away & draw bad people or events. Commonly these people bring that negative emotion into family & relationships, eventually hurting those that care for you deeply. It will be an evil cycle of continuous self destruction until a person knows how to let go of all the bitterness.Posted by iCloud9It sounds like you don't hold grudges to begin with. You don't NEED to forgive in the first place. You're rightly indignant and you impose consequences and then move on. When someone wrongs you and you hold a grudge against them, it eats you up. It's hard to think about anything else and either feeling hurt or wanting to destroy them. Or even feeling hurt and wanting to destroy them. It's unhealthy. If you don't experience this, that's fantastic and very healthy! If you're like me, you have an unhealthy response and it takes up a much larger part of your life than the perpetrator deserves to have control over your life.
i also do not victimize myself. may be that's one of the reasons that i take action to sever ties when there is no longer trust. why bother?
That's why the goal is forgiving and forgetting. Not literally forgetting. But so that it's not running on a loop in the back of your mind. Holding onto it in that case, really is a burden. It's like chaining the corpse of the event to your body. It's toxic and the rot will spread into other areas of your life. It really is imperative for those of us who naturally hold grudges, to learn to let it go.click to expand

Posted by AngmodurianI dont know if i coddl really do the hi & bye as that is somewhat fake (imo), if i dislike someone, they arent really part of my life so a non-issue. If it's a forced work thing then yes will do it, but i do not like it and i actually get upset internrally over it. so i rather avoid events if i can.Posted by justagirlHaha yes keeping a negative relationship with a person is so draining lol, it just seem to out the vitality in us because we have to ignore them everytime those people appear? Too troublesome, rather be the nice "hi & bye" type even when i dislikes that person.
I have been told i am too forgiving. I personally don't think i am. i just know which battles are the ones to fight.
Hanging onto anger and resentment takes too much energy. Don't get me wrong i do get angry, not going to bs about that.
I'm also not so sure about what a few others said that if you haven't forgotten you haven't forgiven.
There are people i have truly forgiven for some pretty major things that have happened but still recall it. It was to my benefit to forgive, again holding that anger and resentment would have done more harm than good.click to expand

Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousei most definitely hold grudges though lol. that's why i swam away otherwise i could tear the person apart one day when the resentment reached a boiling point.Posted by iCloud9It sounds like you don't hold grudges to begin with. You don't NEED to forgive in the first place. You're rightly indignant and you impose consequences and then move on. When someone wrongs you and you hold a grudge against them, it eats you up. It's hard to think about anything else and either feeling hurt or wanting to destroy them. Or even feeling hurt and wanting to destroy them. It's unhealthy. If you don't experience this, that's fantastic and very healthy! If you're like me, you have an unhealthy response and it takes up a much larger part of your life than the perpetrator deserves to have control over your life.
i also do not victimize myself. may be that's one of the reasons that i take action to sever ties when there is no longer trust. why bother?
That's why the goal is forgiving and forgetting. Not literally forgetting. But so that it's not running on a loop in the back of your mind. Holding onto it in that case, really is a burden. It's like chaining the corpse of the event to your body. It's toxic and the rot will spread into other areas of your life. It really is imperative for those of us who naturally hold grudges, to learn to let it go.click to expand
Posted by Damnatai agree.
I've noticed to onlookers it appears the exact opposite: Virgos don't forgive/forget, Pisces all forgive/forget.
Posted by iCloud9*sigh* I don't think we're even talking about the same thing.
i most definitely hold grudges though lol. that's why i swam away otherwise i could tear the person apart one day when the resentment reached a boiling point.
the ability i'm blessed with is i let go emotionally once the person was deleted. I'm one of those who is able to love like never love before, again lol. my heart heals itself. i never got bitter or jaded or afraid.
Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousePosted by FrostAndBiteI don't take 'forget' literally. I have a very good memory for people and places and dates. I was a history major, it's my thing. Not photographic memory but I was in a bank during a robbery once. My description of the suspect and events matched the video. Police commented on how accurate I was. I have a bar trick my friends like. My friends will come up to me and tell me to close my eyes, then ask me to describe ten items in the room. So I might tell them the manufacturer and size of the tv, describe a few people, list the beers on tap, list the bottles on the top shelf, how many windows and doors there are and their orientation to North. They call it my Rainman impression.
If total forgiveness is forgetting, then I have never forgiven anything that needs forgiveness. Cancer moon is incapable of forgetting.
Then again I always thought the concept of forgetting was stupid. Why forget lessons? Why forget experience? Why forget patterns of proof? Aren't these the things that shape us? Adversity, struggle and pain leave marks for a reason. I think the idea of 'forgive and forget' seems noble in words, but in has very little substance behind it if you really push. It's a nice sentiment, to want to believe that you can start with a clean slate after some violation, everyone loves a redemption story. Yet I think there's greater value in remembering than forgetting though. You can remember out of spite, but you can also remember out of honor.
If it's really minor and you give me a few days, I'll literally forget. But I can't forget most things that happen. What I can do is: Once I forgive, I never bring it back up and I never hold it against them. If I've forgiven them, it's over. Forgiving a person doesn't mean there aren't any consequences. A friend was working for me. He stole from the company. I forgave him, I let it go, but I also let him go. He didn't get to keep the job. There are consequences for your actions. It took me awhile to forgive him and let it go. But he didn't get his job back. Forgetting isn't realistic for me. We're not computer's whose hard drive you can erase. But once I've worked my way through it, I can move on and not throw it back in their face. Because if you bring it back up, it means you never forgave them in the first place. If you have to bite your tongue to keep from bringing it up, then you haven't really forgiven them.
That's what I think is really meant when people say forgive and forget. Don't take it too literally IMO.click to expand
Posted by justagirlit's best to stay away from individuals /cut them off completely who have damaged you, that's why the hi and bye thing is not plausible. those folks dont change, soif they decide they're gonna repent someday, it won't be around you. so good for them. It sounds like ice cold/freeze them out, but why torture yourself. this is in the case of something severe.Posted by AngmodurianI dont know if i coddl really do the hi & bye as that is somewhat fake (imo), if i dislike someone, they arent really part of my life so a non-issue. If it's a forced work thing then yes will do it, but i do not like it and i actually get upset internrally over it. so i rather avoid events if i can.Posted by justagirlHaha yes keeping a negative relationship with a person is so draining lol, it just seem to out the vitality in us because we have to ignore them everytime those people appear? Too troublesome, rather be the nice "hi & bye" type even when i dislikes that person.
I have been told i am too forgiving. I personally don't think i am. i just know which battles are the ones to fight.
Hanging onto anger and resentment takes too much energy. Don't get me wrong i do get angry, not going to bs about that.
I'm also not so sure about what a few others said that if you haven't forgotten you haven't forgiven.
There are people i have truly forgiven for some pretty major things that have happened but still recall it. It was to my benefit to forgive, again holding that anger and resentment would have done more harm than good.
My energy is valuable so i am going to invest that into others that are deserving of it.click to expand
Posted by exxtasyxhey i like that. lol
I used to have a lot of trouble with forgiving growing up, but what I learned throughout my short life *giggles* is that hurt people HURT people. What helps me forgive is knowing that the person who caused me trouble was probably jealous, going through a lot at the time or unenlightened. Healthy, happy people do not hurt others. It's always corrupt people who go through a lot that do those types of things. So I have nothing but sympathy and understanding for those who caused me pain.

Posted by lisabethur8Scorpio
so i was just thinking after the other topic, about forgiveness.
what signs do you think are prone to forgiveness.
how noble are you?
I believe that fire sign/fire dominant have the ability to forgive alot.
i keep reading that Scorpio /Scorpio dominant forgives but dont forget.
Also, what do you think about air dominant folks? Do you believe they forgive? or are they too detached to notice the bad deeds and just forget too mcuh due to detachment? Like the Nutty professor kind of thing?
How about earthy folks?


Posted by lisabethur8
but what IF you had family, for example parents who have mistreated, abused you, molested, ect. or allowed other family or friends to do that to you?
i mean you are harboring resentment and hate and it feels gross. The hate and resentment everyone can FEEL it and it's disgusting.
So either get out, ICE them out, or forgive.

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what signs do you think are prone to forgiveness.
how noble are you?
I believe that fire sign/fire dominant have the ability to forgive alot.
i keep reading that Scorpio /Scorpio dominant forgives but dont forget.
Also, what do you think about air dominant folks? Do you believe they forgive? or are they too detached to notice the bad deeds and just forget too mcuh due to detachment? Like the Nutty professor kind of thing?
How about earthy folks?