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    Joined dxpnet on November 26, 2016.
    Posted by cersei
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    I was originally asked for MBTI so I'm going to focus mostly on that as I don't think temperament correlates strongly with it anymore, maybe with enneagram and the Big 5? I was researching a bit last night and there could be something there, leaving this piece of info to someone who is curious about it. If anyone is still exploring temperament and need help or information, you can ask though.

    @cersei
    I was using this new method to assess as accuratedly as possible MBTI but is a work in progress. You said your type is INFP and your chart has some similarities to Kurt Cobain's.. can you post your chart? also from 1 to 10 how sure are you of your type? have you officially been tested? someone typed you? have you researched cognitive functions?

    I'm looking at Cobain's chart and, according to my method, I can see he is in the Ne/Si and Fi/Te axis. Put together, and if I were to ignore who he is and how he is commonly typed, I would say he is ENFP as extroverted intuition appears to be the dominant function. There is another thing I'm looking at here (and probably something that is going to need hours of study to interpret better) but I think it involves the use of his functions in a different order or even imply the use of different ones. Let's say if we were to use the John Beebe's theory and 8-functions model and his ego functions were to be Ne-Fi-Te-Si (ENFP), his subconscious functions will be Si-Te-Fi-Ne (ISTJ), his unconscious functions Ni-Fe-Ti-Se (INFJ) and his super ego functions Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (ESTP). I don't know much about the personal life of Cobain but I have to wonder if, due to him being a successful artist, he developed an alter ego to deal with fame more effectively.


    This is my chart. It’s not identical of course, but there are similarities.
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    And as for mbti. Yes Im very very certain I am an INFP and aware of cognitive functions. For a while I was stuck between INFP ISFP or even INFJ. But through reading on the types, cognitive functions, and just going with my gut I feel INFP is definitely me.

    Im not sure if Kurt Cobain can truly be an ENFP. All his music and journals are so Introverted feeling, and his auxiliary obviously Extraverted intuition, it’s become practically cannon that Kurt is posterchild INFP. In mbti community almost everyone agrees with that.
    I can see where ENFP may seem possible, since they have similar functions, but he was obviously driven by feeling first. He navigated and viewed the world through his feelings. And his moral compass formed from his own feelings and view of the world. He had a strong moral compass, and strong reactions to anyone who threatened that compass. One thing he said stood out to me was when he said he wishes he could get rid of all the racists, sexists, and homophobes in the audience. It bothered him. He was forward in his beliefs. I would say very self aware, like he knew what he liked, disliked, what he wanted or didn’t want even if confused at times.
    Emotional and often Fi doms are in their feels a lot. To the point we may pity ourselves or be a bit self destructive. When we’re unhealthy. And of course the Ne was there too in his music. But I feel Fi is dominant to Ne. If he isn’t an INFP then no one can be lol
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    Oh, I remember this chart. Was your username Yasmine at some point?

    So according to my method, you are in the Fi/Te axis with Fi being your dominant function. This means you can only be a ISFP or a INFP. The perceiving function is more tricky, there are elements in your chart showing both Se and Ne. If Ne is being used here is not used openly, it could be that you see your Ne as not very advantageous to your immediate goals (Ne can make someone too chaotic, scattered, unrealistic...) or this has to be with how you come across (as a 1st houser) and so you hide bits of yourself (12th house). Keeping a tight lid on it is likely to directly impact your mental/spiritual wellbeing (12th house) causing distress in this area. Doing something like writing can be very helpful to all that you don't express and don't want for others to know.

    Se is a function that work at its best in worldly domains (the opposite of Ni which deals with the abstract) so is favourable for the social and professional areas, helping you to reach success. Keeping that in mind is possible that you aspire to be more connected to the world and so you may attempt to mimic those who you recognize as well grounded and sensible (you also happen to lack earth). This is likely to make you noticeably less transgressive than the average Fi-Ne person on the surface, while you probably keep your most edgy thoughts all hidden, but that proneness to be counterculture can still show somewhere in your personality (particularly one's appearance due to closeness to the 1st) even if it may not be readily apparent.

    I'm more convinced is Ne now.. Libra Mars is not only debilitated but also afflicted by Saturn in your chart, something I was ignoring at first but now I think you should look at Se as an emergent shadow function (INFP's 7th function, also called the trickster function).

    Ego: Fi Ne Si Te / INFP
    Subconscious: Te Si Ne Fi / ESTJ
    Unconscious: Fe Ni Se Ti / ENFJ
    Super ego: Ti Se Ni Fe / ISTP

    I'm rusty with all of this but you're free to Google it. You will get a better idea of your type exploring the unconscious functions.

    Let me explain you more or less how I decided Cobain's type while comparing his chart to yours. I chose ENFP for him because his Moon and Jupiter are stronger, they have dignity in Cancer, are angular in the 10th. Venus is in Pisces and
    almost on the axis which would make it powerful BUT is with Saturn. Your own Pisces Venus is not afflicted and is rising in 1st. You have an EXACT Moon and Jupiter conjunction but they don't have essential dignity and is in the 12th so extroverted intuition takes a step back in your case.

    Most people certainly perceive Cobain as a INFP but I have also seen good arguments for INFJ. As you probably know they
    both have different functions but if he were to be a ENFP, his unconscious functions would be those of a INFJ (and I'm finding some Ni in his chart since we are at it, Ne is still way stronger though). If the issue is introversion (as commonly understood), I'm sure shy, cautious and reclusive ENFPs exist. And he has strong Fi as I said, Venus is also in trine to Jupiter so that may bring some ease in its expression but I give more importance to the limiting power of Saturn. Is a matter of deciding not only which function is stronger, but also the one which is being expressed without restrictions (Saturn).

    I had this idea when checking Hitler's chart: domicile Venus in Taurus, angular in the 7th but like in Cobain's chart Venus is also afflicted by Saturn (and Mars). Moon and Jupiter are together in Capricorn, both of them are debilitated in this sign (which has its implications) but there couldn't be any other possible dominant function if the one who would have been the obvious one has an exact square to Saturn. I initially thought Hitler was a INFP before making some upgrades to this method (and some well known jungian analysts typed him as a INFP) but what could explain the massive votes for INFJ? if Hitler was actually a charismatic ENFP.. is possible that when people say Hitler shows the dark side of the INFJ, they are actually talking about ENFP's shadow (INFJ)? Of course I could be wrong all around, that's why I'm still testing different stuff and researching.