@Winterdawn44 It's time for you to transfer your focus from fixating on his behavior on towards healing. There is nothing to gain from letting this man occupy your mind. You are just sinking into a depressive, melancholy state.

Time for you to move forward, let go, eventually forgive, and find your way back to a life that doesn't keep you in lowspirits. You can start the healing process by stopping the texts to him. Stop putting yourself in a painful position where you give him the power to discard your presence.
He couldn't give you the courtesy and decency of a respectful breakup because clearly he doesn't have it in him. Maybe that basic respect wasn't instilled in him as a child and he was putting on a good act. It's possible that he allowed his exes to rob him of respect, courtesy, and decency for future women. Or, as others have suggested, he simply has a cowardly nature. All of the above are reasons to disqualify him from your life immediately. This incident proved he's unqualified to be the man that you need so what good does it do to chase him in pursuit of his emotional incompetence and all the limitations he comes with?

I think that some people say "I love you" just to act out the picturesque life style attached to those words that they've seen in love stories. I say this because if he really loved you, he wouldn't hurt you like this knowing that his actions are reopening a wound for you.


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Posted by Freetobe007
Some Leo dudes are like that. My Leo ex was kinda like that at times too. He didn't start giving the verbal affirmation until after months but before then, he would express his care with mainly actions. I'm the same way too sometimes *I'm a Leo* where I find myself sick of talk, thinking "too much damn talking; time for action" and I'd rather just make it happen/see it happen/feel it happen rather than talking about it. Maybe it's a Leo thing where we like to cement things with action, not words. I believe in talking with your fingertips and eyes or tongue. Sometimes I'll express intimacy with words, but generally, verbiage isn't my foremost choice of intimate expression.

Anyhow, my first long-term, serious relationship was with a Libra male. It can be so enriching and such a fun connection if you two communicate openly and honestly.


This was good to read!
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Thanks! 😀 We had a pretty good thang until he moved to the other side of the planet
Kudos to you for telling your husband. I don't mean to be all up in your business but...he just accepted that info?

If your marriage doesn't make you happy and you're starting to look to other men for satisfaction then why stay?
Posted by firstleo
I'm not after his heart that has to come naturally he has 10 different baby mamas and a pretty good relationship with them the last one that holds the three year old is like the concern for me not because of her just because he seems like he has issues letting go of other relationships as far as his living goes which I consider his wife they're not going anywhere for a few years and that doesn't bother me I see my husband maybe 3 times a year , my leo has 11 kids my kids are pretty much older and are maintained I'm more interested in honesty and respect in his eyes he feels there's no need to tell the truth because the truth may hurt someone and my eyes I feel you should tell the truth and let others decide not cheating on my husband I did tell him


....girl, what the treetrunk!!! Who just has TEN baby mamas???? Has he been on Maury??!

😑 He shpeel about not wanting to tell the truth to not hurt someone is a crock of butter. I am pretty sure he wants to conceal the truth so that his life can continue being a variety of kitty. All this plus the fact that he's been shady towards you...time to end this thing before you get tangled in a mess. Get out and get out fast before you become baby mama #11
For this Leo, no, because I always seem to view breakups as an opportunity to embark on a new exploration.


My heart is like a wild horse, always hungry to roam and visit something undiscovered, and I'm too busy filling that appetite to long for a dead-end romance. I know how to swerve emotional cravings which is probably linked to my constant pursuit to balance psychological and physical indulgence. Also, I'm too much of an optimist to let negativity dwell within me. I am extremely conscientious of what is merging in my heart and there are simply some feelings, people, and memories that I will not let live there. But the Sag moon is strong with me! I have a lot of placements that don't make me a textbook Leo.

Other Leos I've known do not handle breakups like me. They spiral into depression and become completely fixed and unmovable from the heartbreak. Almost to the point where they romanticize the whole relationship and overlook the details which led to a heartbreak. It's like they become fixed in the past, what would have been the possible future, the sweet compatible moments, to the point where their entire presence revolves around could have been/should have been/would have been love. Even if what they have wasn't true, pure love, they'll convince themselves it was. Idk how they do it, I'm exhausted just typing it. I suspect pride and ego may be a factor where they can't just humbly accept that no relationship is a failure. I recall one Leo in particular who was fighting for this butterty, lame relationship that she was clearly unsatisfied with and it had to have been to convince herself she hadn't failed (ego/pride).
My main talent is dance. I've been dancing since I left toddlerhood.
I have two Aqua friends who don't mean to be conceited, but I do sometimes get the vibe that they seem to think they are intellectually superior to some others or they think their technicality and methodical craft is superior, particularly concerning people they dislike. I think it's just their way of embracing their quirky personalities. Ironically, they don't like each other. One of the Aquas says she thinks the other is threatened by her. The other Aqua constantly tries to brush her off and subtly acts as if she's a non-factor although she's visibly not a non-factor to me and our other friends/associates. But I also have another Aqua friend who couldn't be farther from conceited and she actually struggles with basic self-love and self-confidence.
It's possible...I guess it depends on what kind of relationship you had and what kind of memories they brought into your life. If it was toxic or volatile then I could see how moving into a different space may filter bad energy in your life.
Honestly, you should put the place up for rent, cut off the experience with this guy, asesss why you are cheating on your husband, and consider divorcing your husband if the marriage isn't making you happy. Unless this guy is in the process of getting divorced then you're practically building a relationship with unsturdy framework and weak materials. You'll find yourself with constant anxiety because you've already watched this man stab another woman in the back right in front of you. If this is how he treats his own wife and the mother of his children, then how do you think he'll treat a girlfriend?


Plus, his kids will probably resent you for being the woman who got their mother's heart broken.

@firstleo Welcome to your first forum! 🤗

I'm willing to bet that he is absolutely delighted by your presence yet repelled by your lack of loyalty and trustworthiness. A married man who gives his emotional and sexual attention to another woman feels there is something missing yet if he is still married to her and unwilling to cut ties, his wife still has his heart. Now, is his heart slipping out of her hands? Possibly. Does that mean his heart is slipping into yours? Not necessarily. I sense that you fill what was absent in his marriage. However, loyalty, trust, and integrity are extremely important to Leos. Even for some Leos I've seen who lack those traits, those traits are their end goal; they still aspire to have a partner who has those traits.

Chances are that if you give him an ultimatum, he'll outright defy you. If he hasn't taken any steps that blatantly show he's serious about being exclusive and leaving his wife, then it's because he's not. And you shouldn't want a man who cheats and will be married while setting up a home with another woman anyway. You said you do business together? What exactly do you mean?

Leo with Sag moon and a Leo ex here so take my word for it!
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I just get so tirred of the 'me me me me I'm the best at everything and I know everything' attitude.
She asked me if I was sure I wanted more food. When I asked why, she said because she didn't want to wait for me to make it. 😥 never asked her to wait + it would take me 2 min. To make. So I should have gone hungry instead, because she didn't want to wait. - when I never even asked her.
Little things like that all the time, little ways of manipulating the situation, so it will work for her benefit.
I have tried for years, because we are family, but it's just always such a frustrating time.


I would get tired of that too! Have you ever tried expressing how you feel to her and letting her know that behavior of hers is problematic? Next time she says something like that, encourage her to get off her butt and help you make the food she wants or let it be known that you're not cool with her attitude. If you think she's trying to manipulate a situation, then simply just refuse to be swayed by her and do what it is you want to do. Whatever you do, don't harbor negative feelings and let them fester

Anyhow, it's important to keep family relationships as tight as possible especially if you guys are near the same age. Parents and grandparents aren't forever; the unity will mean a lot when the older generation passes away


I have tried recently. And that didn't go well.
She refuse to accept about herself, that she is quite dominant and wants things done her way.
If I mention anything like that, she gets really upset, and I am sorry tirred of arguing.
It is because our parrents have always talked about her in this fashion and there are some huge misunderstandings between her and our parrents and other siblings.
I soon don't know what to do anymore other than pullover way back tbh.
There's a lot of "pay attention to me and my needs and how I am", but she doesn't give the same respect back.
She had a bad upbringing. I can't remember really + I got treated differently + I am a very different person than her. I am hoping she at some point will let that go and stop talking about it relentlessly, having that as a constant explanation to how she is. So many many many other people go through things far worse, but she - like a true leo - keeps using it to victimize herself and get the attention. .... something about the way she sees herself is ascewed. Like she can't embrace her bad sides. To me something about the whole situation feels fake.

.... rant.... sorry.
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Lol, it's okay! We all need a good rant every now and then.

Considering those details, I think it's best spend time with her in limited quantities because it doesn't sound like she's at the mental place to humbly make changes. With family members like that, it's usually best to keep a brief, light, respectful surface connection until they thoroughly address the depths of themselves. If there's no reciprocity, then you should minimize how much of yourself you put into it. You gotta salvage your own sense of peace! It also sounds like she needs to see a therapist to address her upbringing in a healthy way so that she can move forward instead of rehashing it and overwhelming people with her problems. She doesn't seem to have "quick fix" problems that brief advice can heal; she seems to need intensive help from a trained professional. It's hard to speak more on that because it's not clear what it is from her upbringing that you define as bad, what she feels was so horrible, vs what actually happened. Would you be comfortable with encouraging her to see someone or asking your parents to? Is she an adult?

One more thing, self-victimization is not a "true Leo's" trait. It may come off that way because we tend to be very vocal when we have been wronged. You also can't assume that her desire for attention comes from her being a Leo. By doing that, you could be overlooking the real problem by assuming the answer is an astrological description. Personally, as a Leo, I only value attention from specific people and specific situations; random attention doesn't interest me and often annoys me. Try not to summarize all of her actions to that of which you have read about Leos because your particular situation strikes me as a sibling clash and it looks like she's got specific, individualized issues that keep her from healthily functioning.
Posted by Neno2
Did u ever participated in a fight 😊tell a story of how it was and why u fought😊

once me and few friends got beat up by local soccer ultras😄5 of us agains 30 of them in a nightclub😄one friend was beat up on head with gun,other friend got a crystal smashed on head,we all got on floor stomped on,kicked by 30 people😂many of them got stitches and i was only hurt on leg because i covered my head while being down😄we tried to fight back but there was to many of them😄
as for other fights i kicked some guy,throat grabbing, pushing,yelling but only because people pushed my buttons😄


What the hell!! All those damn smileys in such a violent post lol!!?!
Hey, if you want to chat about this privately, my inbox is open
Posted by notsosure
I just get so tirred of the 'me me me me I'm the best at everything and I know everything' attitude.
She asked me if I was sure I wanted more food. When I asked why, she said because she didn't want to wait for me to make it. 😥 never asked her to wait + it would take me 2 min. To make. So I should have gone hungry instead, because she didn't want to wait. - when I never even asked her.
Little things like that all the time, little ways of manipulating the situation, so it will work for her benefit.
I have tried for years, because we are family, but it's just always such a frustrating time.


I would get tired of that too! Have you ever tried expressing how you feel to her and letting her know that behavior of hers is problematic? Next time she says something like that, encourage her to get off her butt and help you make the food she wants or let it be known that you're not cool with her attitude. If you think she's trying to manipulate a situation, then simply just refuse to be swayed by her and do what it is you want to do. Whatever you do, don't harbor negative feelings and let them fester

Anyhow, it's important to keep family relationships as tight as possible especially if you guys are near the same age. Parents and grandparents aren't forever; the unity will mean a lot when the older generation passes away
One of my most meaningful friendships is with a Scorpio female and I have a Scorpio cousin who's more like a brother. There's always this goofy, mischievous energy and we push each other to be better, do better, and achieve goals. In both relationships, we're very nurturing of each other and we like to dig deep into various topics. I think we get along so well because we know how to harness our intensity (most of the time) and we have a lot of mutual respect. We also keep it real and are immediately upfront if there's a problem which took a bit of practice for the Scorpio woman at first, she even acknowledged that she was used to being very passive aggressive/not confronting issues head on.

I have been around some Scorpios who put me off because they were emotionally demanding, sensitive to the point of being completely irrational, prided themselves on deception and mind tricks, or were in constant pursuit of control to the extent of being a spiritual vampire. They had an unhealthy fixation with control that my leonine self/inner Sag cannot stand or tolerate. Also, they took nosey to the next level to the point of being intrusive, lacking boundaries, and being entitled with their invasive nosiness which I find highly offputting. The whole inviting themselves to someone's business and being demanding of information and details that aren't their business is just really weird in an ugly way.
I would never cheat with a married person or with anyone at all for that matter because I refuse to betray or backstab. Nor am I going to be a stimulus to someone's heartache. I've never been personally involved in a cheating situation but I've witnessed loads of them and I would never willingly tangle myself in such a mess.

Sure, I would forgive said cheating but that would be after said cheater was kicked out of my life permanently. Forgiveness is a necessary process to enjoy your entire heart and mind but that doesn't mean you have to embrace a backstabbing, sneaky liar and their hazardous nature.