Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
Master of Cheek, student of life.

Probably just jinxed yourself lol.
Posted by Ixion
Full Article: Here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-sachs-psyd/10-ways-white-liberals-pe_b_8068136.html

"Microinvalidations

Microinvalidations are momentary acts that serve to invalidate the very people of color we care about. These unconscious interactions perpetuate the hopelessness many African-Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and other people of color, feel in this country."

The below are several forms of Microaggression that are more specifically known as microinvalidations:

1.) Denial
2.) Shame & Hurt
3.) Narcolepsy & Ignorance
4.) Masochism
5.) Apology & Faux Compassion
6.) Defensiveness [& Hyper Defensiveness]
7.) The Pain Game [( I Call these the suffering olympics)]
8.) Racial Resume
9.) White Guilt
10.)Intellectualization


As I think more and more on this I find that two of these 10 are most common when someone engages in casual racism/prejudice/bigotry in an intimate space:


1. Denial:

Denying we could ever have racist thoughts, or that we reap the benefits as a member of the majority race, is a common defense of liberal White Americans. By denying the existence of our racist thoughts, we negate the depth of the racial divide.

“But I don’t even see color.”

As if by being color-blind we can resolve the racial pain people of color live out. Pendler and Beverly note, “An inability to be open to the possibility that the experience of the other could be valid is a consistent element of white supremacy.”

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6. Defensiveness:

“But you know me. I’m not a racist!

This response to confrontation happens all the time. A white person reminds black people that they personally owned no slaves, their relative marched with Dr. King, and they were into NWA before they got big—-so obviously they’re in the clear regarding racism. Defensiveness is intended to end the discussion, absolve him or her, and quiet accusations surrounding white privilege. You really just built a brick wall.


honorable mention to 3 & 10 as well


3. Narcolepsy & Ignorance:

Shutting down or going blank is referred to as “race-related narcolepsy.” Racism retains a foothold when white people reach a threshold in their racial sensitivity and invoke their white privilege to “check out,” and go silent, instead of sticking out the racial awareness process.

The other side of that coin is simply to choose ignorance.

“I had no idea about that!”

You’re feeling of being clueless leads to detachment. The responsibility to look inward is traded for making the person of color “assume the responsibility for bringing cultural and racial awareness to the surface.”


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10. Intellectualization:

As a defensive tool, a white person might bring up societal exceptions, and success stories to negate the experience of someone who challenges their racial biases.

“But we have a black president!”

These examples are held up as reasons why we can dismiss the experience of the person of color: “...because logically the person of color should not be having the experience they are having.”
Posted by WarAngel1
In my family it's more homophobia that racism. Machismo runs heavy in Hispanic families.


It is a type of prejudice none the less so feel free to utilize the tactics I and others are bringing up now.
Full Article: Here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-sachs-psyd/10-ways-white-liberals-pe_b_8068136.html

"Microinvalidations

Microinvalidations are momentary acts that serve to invalidate the very people of color we care about. These unconscious interactions perpetuate the hopelessness many African-Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and other people of color, feel in this country."

The below are several forms of Microaggression that are more specifically known as microinvalidations:

1.) Denial
2.) Shame & Hurt
3.) Narcolepsy & Ignorance
4.) Masochism
5.) Apology & Faux Compassion
6.) Defensiveness [& Hyper Defensiveness]
7.) The Pain Game [( I Call these the suffering olympics)]
8.) Racial Resume
9.) White Guilt
10.)Intellectualization
Posted by Juliiette
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by SpaceBird
Posted by Ixion
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.

various studies have suggested racism is associated with lower intelligence and less diverse peer groups during childhood. A neuroimaging study on amygdala activity during racial matching activities found increased activity to be associated with adolescent age as well as less racially diverse peer groups which the author conclude suggest an learned aspect of racism.
Racism has also been associated with lower childhood IQ in an analysis of 15,000 people in the UK

So if you are dumb..have a less diverse peer group growing up ...and have learned certain subtle attitudes and biases from your culture ...bang you get a racist...

Imo they are just bitter nasty people.


Link the studies.

My understanding is racism is not an inherent behavior but a TAUGHT behavior. Someone somewhere has to break the cycle and change the family inheritance. Teach their kids differently...

or it could be that more intelligent just hide it better. it took me years to understand how some of the people from my circles are actually full of prejudice. is it a race thing, gender whatever.

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The more "intelligent" in the States fancy themselves as Liberal usually. But there are a whole host of behaviors that are prejudicial and racist in pragmatic terms. I think I will post some of the most glaring here.
Posted by Juliiette
we say act locally thing globally. not sure who said it.


It's a simplification but absolutely yes.

To understand systems of racism (I.E. Structural Racism) you have to move through the entire spectrum of analysis from the individual to the international.
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Posted by Ravishing
Good advice.

My mom isn't racist but my dad definitely can be. But it's not like in your face racism, it's hard to explain.


If you are willing/comfortable, give it your best shot I will try to suss out the individual behaviors and name em...that way you can know how to best address them when they come up.

OK, so like I said it's not like this "forward" type of racism. Like "ugh, I hate black people" kind of thing. It's this judgmental type of mentality. Like he loves Obama, Will Smith and whatever but if we're driving somewhere and he see's a black person dress like a rapper or whatever he'll automatically assume it's a bad person or someone involved in some sort of bad life style or whatever. So it's like little things like that.

And BOTH my parents seem to look down on most North American people, black or white, lol. They always say they lack culture, can't clean properly, can't cook anything that doesn't come half-way prepared in a frozen box, are always divorcing because they don't respect marriage, etc.
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I mean stereotyping North Americans is prejudice perhaps not necessarily racism...stereotyping on race though however is a darker turn.

Does he assume that others who dress in urban style s are bad people?

For reference:

Racial stereotypes are automatic and exaggerated mental pictures that we hold about all members of a particular racial group. When we stereotype people based on race, we don’t take into account individual differences. Because our racial stereotypes are so rigid, we tend to ignore or discard any information that is not consistent with the stereotype that we have developed about the racial group.

If he attributes the negatives to the entire race aka if he says something like "those blacks/the blacks/all blacks/black people/thugs/n^ggers/ people from this neighborhood (and the neighborhood is majority black)/etc... followed by a declarative statement about the thing mentioned above is racially stereotyping.
Posted by Ravishing
Good advice.

My mom isn't racist but my dad definitely can be. But it's not like in your face racism, it's hard to explain.


If you are willing/comfortable, give it your best shot I will try to suss out the individual behaviors and name em...that way you can know how to best address them when they come up.
Posted by Ravishing
Good advice.

My mom isn't racist but my dad definitely can be. But it's not like in your face racism, it's hard to explain.


Do talk about it casual racism is a thing.
Posted by Lordofyourthighs
Race baiting again.....it must get tiring to make this your focus every day you wake up.
If you put your head down and got to work, (a real job - not a hobby) you'd be 1/4 way to being a millionaire by now.


What is race baiting?
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Posted by Ixion
I'm a

Virgo/ Metal Horse.


Virgo Horse

The Horse is well known for it’s reliability and hardworking characteristics and attitude by all cultures. In Chinese Astrology these animals are believed to be a symbol of steadfastness and honesty. The typical Western astrological sun sign of Virgo personality greatly benefits from the influence of the Horse. It creates Virgo Horse personalities that are filled with openness, trustworthiness, sensitivity and passion. These particular Virgo’s appear to possess lots of vitality for life and a good sense of direction. A Virgo Horse is usually happy wherever they are made to feel appreciated, loved and respected.
Virgo Horse Traits
The Virgo Horse is impassioned in all he or she does in life but takes great care not to hurt or upset anyone along the way. These are highly considerate individual’s who express themselves well and are always eager to assist others. They may have big ambitions and be passionate about achieving them but they do not let this stand in the way of personal commitments. Family and friends are very high priority for these Virgo’s and they will often drop everything they are doing for them if they are urgently needed. Many Virgo Horse’s will choose to study or work not far from family and friends for this reason.
Influenced by the Horse’s desire to travel these people will usually wish to learn to drive. They enjoy the freedom that this can bring and the opportunity to get a lot more done in a lot less time. Their chosen occupation could involve some form of driving. A Virgo Horse individual often loves travelling to places they have not been before. These individual’s will often have loads of photographs and souvenirs from areas that they have visited. Much as the Virgo Horse adores exploring different destinations they are always happy to return to the comfort of home.
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Thanks for that ^_^
Posted by lesenfantterribles
@lxion you have an admirable amount of patience & stamina for threads like these.

reading all of the responses, from your previous threads, is enough to make me never want to talk to white ppl again.


It ain't always fun, and I do get impatient but....hey someones gotta do the lifting when and where they can.
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Posted by Ixion
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.


Good luck with that
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As I told someone the other day lol...usually when someone says what you did just there...that is like a blessing cuz I usually get an organizing win shortly thereafter :p So thanks .
Posted by SpaceBird
Posted by Ixion
Posted by SpaceBird
Posted by Ixion
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.

various studies have suggested racism is associated with lower intelligence and less diverse peer groups during childhood. A neuroimaging study on amygdala activity during racial matching activities found increased activity to be associated with adolescent age as well as less racially diverse peer groups which the author conclude suggest an learned aspect of racism.
Racism has also been associated with lower childhood IQ in an analysis of 15,000 people in the UK

So if you are dumb..have a less diverse peer group growing up ...and have learned certain subtle attitudes and biases from your culture ...bang you get a racist...

Imo they are just bitter nasty people.





Your life experiences will not be universal. For some, the racist/bigot in their life is actually a loved father, mother, wife, husband....so on and so forth, to act as if those folks should cut them out of their life would be woefully insensitive and sometimes downright unrealistic.

Racism is something that is learned through tradition and soaking up the dominant culture of white supremacy...but what is learned can be unlearned through working through the issue and ultimately changing the culture. Lower IQ or not.



Ethnocentrism and proto-racism are beyond this. It's the idea racism goes beyond modern predate the modern biologically-based concept of race.

It's allowing any ethnoculture to have a hardened dominance. Fluidity and empathy ...particularly phsycial empathy particularly pain empathy..

There is a general 'Empathy Gap' for all humans in which we underestimate the pain others go through. This means if you see someone in an accident ..no matter what their relation to you ..even if they are your mom ..you UNDERESTIMATE their pain.

Pain empathy has been shown to have racial ..and even more hierarchical and gender bias.

individuals are more likely to be more empathetic to the pain of those in an inferior status than to those in a more superior status

This suggests there is bias depending on one's position on a social hierarchy when it comes to pain empathy.
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Regardless of an empathy gap, it doesnt change the fact that there are different sides of anti-racist work that you must stick to based on your disposition and inclination...primarily because to not do so and engage in the work you are not suited would be counterproductive.

Beyond anti-racist work and activism and getting into the feelings know that..a hard stance that basically throws away the human with their racism sets the stage for some very nasty conflicts that will likely be existential aka a lot of people could get killed.

Our intolerance of intolerance is justified so long as that intolerance does not call for the euthanasia of those who disagree...otherwise we basically become the thing we are trying to destroy.

When interacting with the system do not let hate harden your heart universally and without nuance. Like I said its frustrating but you either work towards helping others reconcile their inner demons or stand aside do other work (because there definitely spaces where outright intolerance and total resistance of bigotry and racism is necessary) and let others do the softer and gentler work. You feel me?
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Very true of the older generations. After late 50s/60s your pretty much set in your way.

Good news is each generation is getting more open minded and accepting. Except, it seems, in the Deep South where young people love themselves some tiki torches.
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I would say there has been tremendous progress made on fighting overt racism...covert expressions of racism and prejudice are well and alive even in the younger age groups:

https://www.theroot.com/surprise-new-survey-reveals-a-wide-gulf-between-white-1820016504

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/10/think-all-millennials-are-woke-a-new-poll-suggests-some-are-still-sleeping-on-racism/?utm_term=.ea688d0b7d12

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/10/31/a-new-survey-shows-white-millennials-think-a-lot-more-like-whites-than-millennials/?utm_term=.e65406aa10ef

This is evidenced in reality by the constant churn of stories across the country regarding 'harmless' displays of what we call casual or closet racism.

So overall while improved over say the realities of my parents (my dad went to M.S. & H.S. in white neighborhoods and had to run home after school nearly every day to avoid being jumped by white folk...)


Millenials of color and our allies and accomplices still have a lot of work to do.
Posted by LadyNeptune
Posted by SpaceBird
Posted by Ixion
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.

various studies have suggested racism is associated with lower intelligence and less diverse peer groups during childhood. A neuroimaging study on amygdala activity during racial matching activities found increased activity to be associated with adolescent age as well as less racially diverse peer groups which the author concludes suggest an learned aspect of racism.
Racism has also been associated with lower childhood IQ in an analysis of 15,000 people in the UK

So if you are dumb..have a less diverse peer group growing up ...and have learned certain subtle attitudes and biases from your culture ...bang you get a racist...

Imo they are just bitter nasty people.


Link the studies.

My understanding is racism is not an inherent behavior but a TAUGHT behavior. Someone somewhere has to break the cycle and change the family inheritance. Teach their kids differently...
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An important thing to know about the study @spacebird mentions and most studies of the type that come to the same finding is that a lower IQ is correlated with conservatism, racism, and prejudice.

It's important to also note though that correlation isn't causation...so while someone who has a lower IQ is likely to hold conservative views according to this paper it doesn't mean that something else didn't cause them to adopt it beyond that discussion of their perceived intelligence are beyond the scope of a discussion between someone who is trying to talk to a friend or loved one without insult.

Anywhoo:

Article on the study is below for review draw your own conclusions with a grain of salt:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand

The study itself draw your own conclusions yet again with a very large grain of salt:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797611421206

My opinion is that this study doesn't hold much weight in practical terms though due to its methodology.
Posted by SpaceBird
Posted by Ixion
Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.

various studies have suggested racism is associated with lower intelligence and less diverse peer groups during childhood. A neuroimaging study on amygdala activity during racial matching activities found increased activity to be associated with adolescent age as well as less racially diverse peer groups which the author conclude suggest an learned aspect of racism.
Racism has also been associated with lower childhood IQ in an analysis of 15,000 people in the UK

So if you are dumb..have a less diverse peer group growing up ...and have learned certain subtle attitudes and biases from your culture ...bang you get a racist...

Imo they are just bitter nasty people.
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Some definitely are...but that is the insidious thing about racism and white supremacy...it is largely invisible to the person until it is challenged by those who can see.

Considering that I can be downright fiery when fighting against racists on the site and on the job what I am about to say can seem counterintuitive but:

Hate the racism, love the human and do both sincerely.

What the above line means is to be firm but unapologetically intolerant of racism...and unapologetically loving of the people who practice it despite their warped ideas on people and groups of other races.


Now it ain't for everyone...and if you can't manage it then it may be best to kind of step away from work that has you trying to have to do the hard work of helping someone disentangle themselves from their privilege/prejudice/racism/prejudice etc...but thats the thing...it doesn't necessarily have to be.

Your life experiences will not be universal. For some, the racist/bigot in their life is actually a loved father, mother, wife, husband....so on and so forth, to act as if those folks should cut them out of their life would be woefully insensitive and sometimes downright unrealistic.

Racism is something that is learned through tradition and soaking up the dominant culture of white supremacy...but what is learned can be unlearned through working through the issue and ultimately changing the culture. Lower IQ or not.

Posted by CaramelizedCoffee
Great advice and thread

I'm just waiting on them to die out myself.


Lawd CC...lawd. I honestly wouldn't get my hopes up on folks like that dying out...whats most important is just rendering the hate to just an opinion instead of something that can destroy lives because of the system.