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In honour of HBO's recent departure let us pour some proverbial liquor. Here are some of my favourite episodes from HBO's Legendary Nights series










Poor Tommy Hearns!

Favourite Prince jam

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You Americans however, you're all treetrunking obsessed with color. You are. Both the white and black of you.

Can we not ignore this. Its true.

No one disputes racism does not exist. But you guys really have an obsession with this particular dynamic.

It's the same here and the rest of Europe really just without the guns and open discourse

Nah, its a different level.
The black to white to and fro is an obsession over there.

The hate is more spread out here.

Yeah they have longer, bloodier and shared history since their inception. Over here they sweep race under class oppression as a way to avoid discussion and make issues seem uniform

All our families have bled at some point.
Go back 30 years and we were getting chased and beaten in the streets and assaulted by cops too. Go back 50 years and we were getting petrol bombed in our homes.

There is a massive victim complex over there.

There's also a treetrunk tonne of penis envy.

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'Long, bloody and shared history' as in America was built on racism and genocide within it's borders since the beginning, those systems that were in place and it's violence still live on so the people will speak loud about it. No victim mentality there imo. It's a human rights issue

Britain isn't as diverse, so minority voices are less likely to have a say in mainstream thought and opinion in comparison, and also representation within politics and academia. And we don’t have guns here like they do, so the violence isn’t as pronounced and widespread if say the police carried guns, because the racial bias here mirrors the racial discrimination that goes on over there too.

Racism isn’t a matter of life and death here the way it is in the States (not that it isn't here, just not to the same degree as far as violence) and isn’t portrayed as such here, hence the lack of dialogue and the tendency to cover racism under the umbrella of class struggle without looking too deeply at its variations

I appreciate the knowledge and enlightenment.

I only mention a victim mentality because of some of the reactions to more mundane instances, which I admit have probably been handpicked by the media. I'm not denying there isn't an issue.

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Identity politics, cancel culture and priorities. Ride hard for symbolic victories that affects consensus over time, but has little effect over immediate reality that changes lives. Like what happened to those transplants in East London selling overpriced cereal in London's poorest borough, a movement builds and their store gets trashed but nothing changes, no political reform, no provisions for subsidised affordable housing. Just a reason to get their jollies and the feeling of making a difference

Or Raheem Sterling bringing attention to how rich footballer's narratives are framed in the media. The difference between young white and black players doing the same thing, buying a house for their mums. One is castigated and the other praised. Sounds mundane because those directly affected will be fine as long as they have their careers and
people will complain because of this and say that it's a non-issue. Another reason for people who aren't fans of Raheem in the first place to take another pop and take issue with the wider problem he's addressing, representation and fair reporting in the news of minorities. Those same critics might say he's perpetuating a victim complex and making the problem worse for talking about it.

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They can be in love with their spouse and be dismissive of their culture and heritage. Make spurious points about colour and strong arm their way in family disputes because of their perceived authority of being white and right. Even their relationship can be an affirmation of their superiority over her culture. I snagged your prized woman, she chose me and wear it proudly not out of love but spite

I can't have that bs. Identity politics is an important thing

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Word. Respecting each others differences is a must

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Posted by enfant_terrible
You Americans however, you're all treetrunking obsessed with color. You are. Both the white and black of you.

Can we not ignore this. Its true.

No one disputes racism does not exist. But you guys really have an obsession with this particular dynamic.

It's the same here and the rest of Europe really just without the guns and open discourse

Nah, its a different level.
The black to white to and fro is an obsession over there.

The hate is more spread out here.

Yeah they have longer, bloodier and shared history since their inception. Over here they sweep race under class oppression as a way to avoid discussion and make issues seem uniform

All our families have bled at some point.
Go back 30 years and we were getting chased and beaten in the streets and assaulted by cops too. Go back 50 years and we were getting petrol bombed in our homes.

There is a massive victim complex over there.

There's also a treetrunk tonne of penis envy.

🤷‍♂️

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'Long, bloody and shared history' as in America was built on racism and genocide within it's borders since the beginning, those systems that were in place and it's violence still live on so the people will speak loud about it. No victim mentality there imo. It's a human rights issue

Britain isn't as diverse, so minority voices are less likely to have a say in mainstream thought and opinion in comparison, and also representation within politics and academia. And we don’t have guns here like they do, so the violence isn’t as pronounced and widespread if say the police carried guns, because the racial bias here mirrors the racial discrimination that goes on over there too.

Racism isn’t a matter of life and death here the way it is in the States (not that it isn't here, just not to the same degree as far as violence) and isn’t portrayed as such here, hence the lack of dialogue and the tendency to cover racism under the umbrella of class struggle without looking too deeply at its variations

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Thanks for sharing. First article is in Finnish and FT article is behind a paywall but I'll get the trial, I like their stuff actually

Google translate is two clicks away.

Posted by kreolNot being semantic for the purpose of being dismissive but the keywords here are suspects and convictions, you can flip it and say those members of those groups are more likely to fit the description of who rapists and sexual deviants are in the minds of police and jurors making them easier than Finnish nationals to convict because they form a self-fulfilling prophecy

So in this paragraph you try to divert blame to the white man's bias.

Posted by kreolOn the other hand as you say hordes of young single men coming from a conservative countries and being thrust into a liberal society where women are free to express their sexuality and then add to that the preconceived ideas of Western women they may have had back home, mainly through the media and porn is problematic

And in this it's the white woman's fault for getting raped? Because she had some skin out?
Or because Ahmed and Mbutu saw some trash woman with questionable life choices on xvideos and decided to apply what they've seen across all women?

Posted by kreolI watched a doc recently about educating refugees in Norway on how to treat women, given the climate I understand the intention but it came off as guilty until proven innocent and ostracising to a group who are already alienated as it is

Ostracizing is the way to go, looking at the birth rates from the countries these people are coming from, better they get the message of not being welcome now before thousands get shot on borders trying to breach it in force because they breed 7 kids per mother and don't have a job for a single one of those.

The guilty until proven innocent can be attributed to "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". Benefit of the doubt went out the window, not because of white ppl's bias but because of the actions of brown ppl who got invited to stay as guests but behaved like trash en masse.

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"So in this paragraph you try to divert blame to the white man's bias"

Definitely racial bias contributes to conviction rates. Of course that doesn't excuse their crimes, but is it causation or correlation


"And in this it's the white woman's fault for getting raped? Because she had some skin out?
Or because Ahmed and Mbutu saw some trash woman with questionable life choices on xvideos and decided to apply what they've seen across all women?"


Now you're reaching, I was agreeing with you



"Ostracizing is the way to go, looking at the birth rates from the countries these people are coming from, better they get the message of not being welcome now before thousands get shot on borders trying to breach it in force because they breed 7 kids per mother and don't have a job for a single one of those.

The guilty until proven innocent can be attributed to "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". Benefit of the doubt went out the window, not because of white ppl's bias but because of the actions of brown ppl who got invited to stay as guests but behaved like trash en masse."


Tell us how you really feel

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This economic uncertianty and fear of the future of the working man is now more likely spill onto easy targets, such as minorities and refugees instead of their true oppressors who will have them believe that their enemy are these outsiders.

In general i agree with this and have been saying the divide and conquer has been used on plebs for ages for the purposes of easier governance, however......

the jewels of cultural enrichment sure make themselves an easy target:

Perpetrators with foreign backgrounds are well known to be over represented in rape statistics. Half of the suspects of rape have foreign citizenship (Finland is 95% Finnish). In this group, Iraqi and Afghans have most representation.

In 2014, persons of African background was proportionally 12 times as likely as person with Finnish background to be convicted of rape. With persons born in middle east or north Africa, the rate was 13 times that of person born in Finland.

https://www.suomenuutiset.fi/poliisilla-vanha-tuttu-selitys-oulun-lapsiraiskauksista-kotouttaminen-epaonnistunut/

We were told we are helping doctors, engineers, but what we got are diseased illiterates with a penchant for groping or worse.

https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f

The stats are similar across Europe, depending on which country isn't PC enough to obfuscate race and ethnicity in official reports.

To put it simply, we don't need this kind of people.

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Thanks for sharing. First article is in Finnish and FT article is behind a paywall but I'll get the trial, I like their stuff actually

Not being semantic for the purpose of being dismissive but the keywords here are suspects and convictions, you can flip it and say those members of those groups are more likely to fit the description of who rapists and sexual deviants are in the minds of police and jurors making them easier than Finnish nationals to convict because they form a self-fulfilling prophecy

On the other hand as you say hordes of young single men coming from a conservative countries and being thrust into a liberal society where women are free to express their sexuality and then add to that the preconceived ideas of Western women they may have had back home, mainly through the media and porn is problematic

I watched a doc recently about educating refugees in Norway on how to treat women, given the climate I understand the intention but it came off as guilty until proven innocent and ostracising to a group who are already alienated as it is

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They can be in love with their spouse and be dismissive of their culture and heritage. Make spurious points about colour and strong arm their way in family disputes because of their perceived authority of being white and right. Even their relationship can be an affirmation of their superiority over her culture. I snagged your prized woman, she chose me and wear it proudly not out of love but spite

Hmmm, like racial emperialism so to speak. I just made that up.
But, I've felt/intuited and heard specklings of this attitude.

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I think I know what you mean. I'm talking from experience, sometimes they're just explicit about it in a nice and patronising way, you bite your tongue because they're family and you love and respect your blood-relative too much. A lot of it is ignorance too but there are slithers of a superiority complex there

They can be in love with their spouse and be dismissive of their culture and heritage. Make spurious points about colour and strong arm their way in family disputes because of their perceived authority of being white and right. Even their relationship can be an affirmation of their superiority over her culture. I snagged your prized woman, she chose me and wear it proudly not out of love but spite