neves

Breathing - is all it takes this days. Then again, maybe it makes sense - cause i'm a Gemini (Air sign).

Gem'

I don't have a favorite genre (never did). I'm inclined to say "good music" - but tastes are obviously subjective (what sounds really great to me - might sound like butter to others). 🤷‍♂️

Happy Birthday!🤠

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@neves

Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.

I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.

Did you check the video (the 2nd one)?! I would agree with you if that guy is spilling a lot of bullbutter - might even be the one debunking it (as i did in the past - with other BS posted on DXP) - but that dude makes a lot strong points. Thus, you'd loose that bet for sure - because his ideas are anything but conservative (radical even). Not only that, he's saying stuff "that most white people can't/won't in U.S. (since it's deemed as politically incorrect - aka, that could get you fired - as it happened in the past)". Which, is quite ironic... to be called privileged (which implies - you have more rights) - while your freedom of speech is limited - for being white (if your skin has any other color - those limits don't apply). And i don't mean racist butter, but general truths tackled with common sense (or why not - inconvenient truths). Only a black person could approach those subjects - without getting intro trouble.

One could say, the roles have reversed. I mean, in the American past - some white people used to be black people's voice (and those inconvenient truths - didn't sit well with a lot white people - for obvious reasons). And now - white people need black people to be their voice - while touching certain subjects that are deemed taboo (politically incorrect). Sure, there are some white people - who don't have anything to risk (work from home or have their own business) - who approached those subjects on YouTube (or some other social network). But it's not the same, as in - those people have only white viewers (black people wouldn't bother checking his content - they'd just read the title - label him as racist and move on). On the others hand, if a black dude voices those things - then the black audience - might give him a chance to speak his mind (even if initially they'd think he's just trolling, while hearing him out - those truths can change some of their views - could even change their life for better). If anything, the title is misleading (click bait - if you will), and he's to blunt/direct at times.

That being said, his rise in views and subscribers - could actually be legit (an eye opener for some and a voice for others). One last thing... i'm actually kinda shocked that this came from someone like him, as in... both a religious person and a Trump supporter (i have to admit, i had all kinds of prejudice - when it comes to Trump supporters - as if i could never ever see eye to eye with one of them, yet... life can be surprising like that).

You're using quite a bit of anecdotal evidence to support your claims, so I shall do the same..

I have a WIDE range of political and cultural acquaintances/friends on my social media. I've not seen one person of color post videos like this, be it ABL, Candace Owens, Officer Tatum, etc. The only folks that have posted them (and I'm assuming watching and agreeing) are white conservatives.

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I forgot to tag you in my last post (but you can check my posts history). It's about the tragic events that took place couple of days ago - yet, nobody dared to say anything around this parts - even tho more than 150 people where shot (in Chicago and NY alone), 20+ were killed... including children (at least 5 black children / you have their pictures in that post). Maybe because BLM protestors were also involved in those shootings (and those children killers - don't even wanna give themselves in, even worst - they seem to be protected - cause nobody's saying anything...). You'll find multiple links in there - describing the events (hopefully, that evidence is good enough for you...). It's been awhile since I've seen news about tragic events like that (since i tend to avoid the news), so... that stuff got to me (the death of those children and their grieving parents - in particular).

Anyway, here's more videos of conservative whites doing their thing...



In other news, from back in June - there's this black guy beating a white employee (while a friend of his - is filming it) - claiming that he said the 'N word...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8465239/Michigan-man-18-charged-assault-attack-white-Macys-employee.html

Even he did, that wouldn't justify his actions (as some of you claimed in this topic) - but he didn't, that guy just beat him for fun... He even lied about in on his tweeter account:


...trying to fool people into checking his YouTube account (dude has only 74 Subs), cause that's basically a YT link to one of his butterty songs...


Then there's the next group of conservative whites (as you would claim - since you don't seem to believe that black people like them actually exist in US), who call themselves "The Black Militia or Not treetrunking Around Coalition (NFAC)" - and keep contesting the BLM group...







He says he wants Texas (: this conservative whites sure are funny - i give you that). Nothing new under the Sun. Just another pathological narcissist praying on the nativity of others (that sure looks like a cult - and he sure talks like the leader of a Cult). After all, human ignorance is representative for the majority. As for skin color, objectively speaking - that's only relevant while facing the Sun (the rest are just human concepts/stories - so depends what believes you ascribe to - be it as a Leader, a follower or a bystander). Anyway, even with all the links from above - maybe you still believe this to be some conspiracy coordinated by white conservatives. I know people like you in real life - they don't believe in anything "unless reality knocks at their door". So hey, good luck with that.

@VenusAquarius

First things first... when you watch YouTube videos - the YouTube algorithm registers those videos as something you might prefer - and latter on - you'll get recommendation with similar content. It's how/why this videos end-up among YouTube's recommendations for me.

Might feel good to foresee something positive - but it actually feels like butter to foresee stuff like this, sigh... Here's the latest news about multiple shootings taking place on 4th July...



The mother of the murdered 7 year old from Chicago: "We talk about black lives matter - but we killing each-other out, we killing our babies..."

So far they found the driver...

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-shootings-weekend-this/6301571/



The mayor from Atlanta: "We're fighting the enemy within when we are shooting each other up in our streets..." "You shot and killed a baby. And it wasn't one shooter, there was at least two shooters..." "We've had over 75 shootings in the city over the past several weeks," Bottoms said. "You can't blame that on APD [Atlanta Police Department]." "An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street," Bottoms said. "You don't want someone on the street who would shoot into a car randomly. If you know them, you should turn them in."

The father of the murdered child from Atlanta: "They say black lives matter... You killed your own this time..."

Nah man, they didn't kill "their own" - they killed your daughter...

That's heavy stuff, really hearth breaking... Yet, nobody mentioned about any of those tragedies around this place... If a black guy gets shot - after resisting arrest, by fighting and disarming the officers - then running and shooting that taser back at the police chasing him - the locals start a major riot, it's all over the news and ofc both on front page of DXP and even gets a dedicated topic...

...yet, if children get shot by BLM protestors - the BLM group goes silent, and nobody says anything around this place... WHAT DID THEY DO, TO DESERVE THEIR FATE!??!?!?



If BLM truly meant what the name implies - they would bring the guilty members to justice themselves (some of them - clearly know the name of the guilty parties - as that grieving relative suggested), yet instead... they protect even the killers of black children!!! Or is the name of this groups BLMOWIC (Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient - like, if a white cop is involved), or OSBLM (Only Some Black Lives matter)!?!?!?!?!?

Then there's the gang on gangs shooting - with innocents caught in the crossfire.... Why don't the BLM intervene there - to disband all the black gangs - and help integrate them as functional members of society??!

In Chicago alone the following took place couple of days ago: 4th July... 87 shot, 17 fatally, in Chicago

https://abc7chicago.com/87-shot-17-fatally-in-july-4th-weekend-violence/6301523/

Then there's the tragedies from New York: 63 Shot in NYC Over Fourth of July Weekend

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/mornings-on-1/2020/07/06/shootings-soar-over-fourth-of-july-weekend-in-nyc

The Police in U.S. needs to reform, that much is clear. But what about the American Guns culture, what about the Gangs culture?!?!! What about the Black Lives Matter Only When It's Convenient culture???!?! What about The Modern Racism culture - where this terms is easily trowed at someone you don't like for made-up reasons (the witch hunt of the old days: you hate your neighbor whom you know for many years - accuse her of being a witch and try to put the mob on her)???!

It's sad when innocent people die, yet when it comes to adults.... unfortunate as it is - that news is more bearable. Can't say the same about innocent children.... that really gets to me... And when it comes to above children, it's quite likely that most people who shed tears for this tragedy are white... Apparently, their deaths don't fit with the so called black agenda (to hate on white people - to target only the incidents where white people are involved). Same goes for the Gun lovers agenda (God forbid you gave up your precious guns)! That's deeply saddening and outraging at the same time... you poor excuses for human beings...

I'm really sorry they were unlucky to be born in that god forsaken place...

R.I.P....

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@neves

Those comments under the YouTube video are the epitome of an echo chamber. That's evident based on the huge increase in views/subscribers to his channel after posting that video.

I'm willing to bet that a large majority of his subscribers, especially those 100k+ that subscribed in the days following this video, are white conservatives.

Did you check the video (the 2nd one)?! I would agree with you if that guy is spilling a lot of bullbutter - might even be the one debunking it (as i did in the past - with other BS posted on DXP) - but that dude makes a lot strong points. Thus, you'd loose that bet for sure - because his ideas are anything but conservative (radical even). Not only that, he's saying stuff "that most white people can't/won't in U.S. (since it's deemed as politically incorrect - aka, that could get you fired - as it happened in the past)". Which, is quite ironic... to be called privileged (which implies - you have more rights) - while your freedom of speech is limited - for being white (if your skin has any other color - those limits don't apply). And i don't mean racist butter, but general truths tackled with common sense (or why not - inconvenient truths). Only a black person could approach those subjects - without getting intro trouble.

One could say, the roles have reversed. I mean, in the American past - some white people used to be black people's voice (and those inconvenient truths - didn't sit well with a lot white people - for obvious reasons). And now - white people need black people to be their voice - while touching certain subjects that are deemed taboo (politically incorrect). Sure, there are some white people - who don't have anything to risk (work from home or have their own business) - who approached those subjects on YouTube (or some other social network). But it's not the same, as in - those people have only white viewers (black people wouldn't bother checking his content - they'd just read the title - label him as racist and move on). On the others hand, if a black dude voices those things - then the black audience - might give him a chance to speak his mind (even if initially they'd think he's just trolling, while hearing him out - those truths can change some of their views - could even change their life for better). If anything, the title is misleading (click bait - if you will), and he's to blunt/direct at times.

That being said, his rise in views and subscribers - could actually be legit (an eye opener for some and a voice for others). One last thing... i'm actually kinda shocked that this came from someone like him, as in... both a religious person and a Trump supporter (i have to admit, i had all kinds of prejudice - when it comes to Trump supporters - as if i could never ever see eye to eye with one of them, yet... life can be surprising like that).

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why is brown missing?

There's no negative connotations attached to those colors. If brown was there - it would probably say something like "You're butter!" 💩

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If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.

You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...

First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.

The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"

1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.

2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.

Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....

Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).

I'd assume most, including black people (as the comments bear out), would find the 2nd video in somewhat bad taste, if not repulsive....and that's what most of the comments take issue with, many apparently not following along with the inaccuracies in his commentary on the first...If they do misinterpret the first, that really can't be blamed on anyone but the presenter and themselves...Either way, I don't think a video of one troll or a public pledge to be more conscientious around racism, is going to be a major catalyst in a race war.

Bottom line though - there should be no concern around oppression being fought with oppression, as you say, based on these videos.

Again, before making assumptions - just read the comments (of the 2nd video). You can even have a debate with him on Twitter - if you disagree with his points (he actually asked for that).

You're missing the point. Let me put it in a different way... I presume you're familiar with the so called N' word?! Most common word used by dark skin males - among themselves, yet... GOD FORBID a light skin dude dares to say that word (even as a joke). Imagine a light skin guy working with 3 dark skin guys - who use that word around 30 times every minute. Tho, the white guy, obviously will try to block out the most common word used at the work place (which is bound to go into subconscious - that's the basics of human psychology, kinda like someone who keeps repeating "Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!" - yet, due to repetition that phrase gets stuck in your mind whether you want that or not). Till one night when they all have a drink together, and he accidentally goes.... "yo, ma' n...." That guy is all of a sudden a racist, and let's just hope he wasn't beaten to a pulp.

If a freaking word can trigger someone to that extent, do you actually think most people - would just ignore what they see there (if that video was all over the social media) - and act like it's all cool (just because that video has no effect on you)?! Especially the actual racists - who are usually spiteful for no reason. There's a good reason "Pride" was considered a deadly sin.The thing is... the people from that video were supporting BLM at that protest - and if that's the message they sent (what it means to be a BLM supporter), some of the viewers might get the wrong message - and twink twice about being a BLM supporter. The social norm - dictates how people should behave, but that can change... for better... or worst. The human history is a solid proof of that (most wars didn't start for righteous reasons).

Ironically (given the thread title) it sounds like you're wrestling with your own guilt, be it white or otherwise.

If it takes so little to be misunderstood - or trigger someone (which was actually the point i was trying to make above), how do you think the majority would react - if that video was all over social media (you can have a glimpse of that - while reading the YT comment section for that video)?

Whatever, i'm to old for meaningless debates (wasting my time for stupid answers - where there's nothing to gain, only loss of time and neurons). 😒

The thing is I don't have the answer to what you're asking, but I'm willing to bet the number of times people have been beaten to a pulp in retaliation for racism is relatively small.

So yeah, I'm not trying to belabour any point. But it just seems like you're talking from a purely emotional perspective (not said in a condescending way) not really from having put time and thought into it.

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That may be true, that example was more or less abstract (as BM put it), tho fitting for DXP... cause i actually witnessed that here - around two years ago (more or less). Not physically ofc, tho the verbal harassment/bullying went way over board (even a week latter they wouldn't stop harassing him). And all that cause of one word, a miscalculated retaliation against someone who hit him in the balls prior to that (again, verbally ofc). Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth - kinda thing. Cause i'm pretty sure the guy wasn't/isn't a racist (he's still around - still interacting with almost everyone like a typical DXP member). A real racist wouldn't last a week around this place (on any other place - where light skin people are among the minority).

You're wrong about the 2nd part as well. I simply watched those videos (from beginning to end), then i read the comments for those videos - and i shared my conclusions (both based on my understanding of this world, of humans as a species - but also based on history and past mistakes). Only when VA point it out - that for her it was more of a cultural thing - i started to have some mixed feelings - while hearing this term... and thinking of all that it implies (the damaging aspect - of cultural beliefs). If anything, BM is the one who pissed me off with one of her comments (i don't even care that she called me a racist - since she always throws that word around with such ease, the timing - is what pissed me off... since she did it all of a sudden - like a cheap trick, acting - as if she doesn't know me at all by now - after 4 years of activity on DXP 😒). But usually, i try to refrain myself from replying - while being emotional (as you put it). As mentioned above, this days my patience runs short - so i say what i feel like saying - but in all that time "the block" option is highly tempting (: i blocked more people in last 4 months - than last 4 years put together). It's better this way - for both parties (no point in forcing a mix of oil and water / some people simply can't get along). So, hey - if i'm on your bad side this days - just block me (i don't mind). Might do the same - if you really manage to piss me off. 😉

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If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.

You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...

First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.

The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"

1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.

2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.

Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....

Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).

I'd assume most, including black people (as the comments bear out), would find the 2nd video in somewhat bad taste, if not repulsive....and that's what most of the comments take issue with, many apparently not following along with the inaccuracies in his commentary on the first...If they do misinterpret the first, that really can't be blamed on anyone but the presenter and themselves...Either way, I don't think a video of one troll or a public pledge to be more conscientious around racism, is going to be a major catalyst in a race war.

Bottom line though - there should be no concern around oppression being fought with oppression, as you say, based on these videos.

Again, before making assumptions - just read the comments (of the 2nd video). You can even have a debate with him on Twitter - if you disagree with his points (he actually asked for that).

You're missing the point. Let me put it in a different way... I presume you're familiar with the so called N' word?! Most common word used by dark skin males - among themselves, yet... GOD FORBID a light skin dude dares to say that word (even as a joke). Imagine a light skin guy working with 3 dark skin guys - who use that word around 30 times every minute. Tho, the white guy, obviously will try to block out the most common word used at the work place (which is bound to go into subconscious - that's the basics of human psychology, kinda like someone who keeps repeating "Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!" - yet, due to repetition that phrase gets stuck in your mind whether you want that or not). Till one night when they all have a drink together, and he accidentally goes.... "yo, ma' n...." That guy is all of a sudden a racist, and let's just hope he wasn't beaten to a pulp.

If a freaking word can trigger someone to that extent, do you actually think most people - would just ignore what they see there (if that video was all over the social media) - and act like it's all cool (just because that video has no effect on you)?! Especially the actual racists - who are usually spiteful for no reason. There's a good reason "Pride" was considered a deadly sin.The thing is... the people from that video were supporting BLM at that protest - and if that's the message they sent (what it means to be a BLM supporter), some of the viewers might get the wrong message - and twink twice about being a BLM supporter. The social norm - dictates how people should behave, but that can change... for better... or worst. The human history is a solid proof of that (most wars didn't start for righteous reasons).

Ironically (given the thread title) it sounds like you're wrestling with your own guilt, be it white or otherwise.

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If it takes so little to be misunderstood - or trigger someone (which was actually the point i was trying to make above), how do you think the majority would react - if that video was all over social media (you can have a glimpse of that - while reading the YT comment section for that video)?

Whatever, i'm to old for meaningless debates (wasting my time for stupid answers - where there's nothing to gain, only loss of time and neurons). 😒

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@neves you always have some abstract treetruking ideas that make no sense to the point of the discussion

why do you do that?

Given me something to work with (an example - where my way of thinking doesn't make any sense - for that given context). 🤔

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If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.

You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...

First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.

The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"

1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.

2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.

Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....

Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).

I'd assume most, including black people (as the comments bear out), would find the 2nd video in somewhat bad taste, if not repulsive....and that's what most of the comments take issue with, many apparently not following along with the inaccuracies in his commentary on the first...If they do misinterpret the first, that really can't be blamed on anyone but the presenter and themselves...Either way, I don't think a video of one troll or a public pledge to be more conscientious around racism, is going to be a major catalyst in a race war.

Bottom line though - there should be no concern around oppression being fought with oppression, as you say, based on these videos.

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Again, before making assumptions - just read the comments (of the 2nd video). You can even have a debate with him on Twitter - if you disagree with his points (he actually asked for that).

You're missing the point. Let me put it in a different way... I presume you're familiar with the so called N' word?! Most common word used by dark skin males - among themselves, yet... GOD FORBID a light skin dude dares to say that word (even as a joke). Imagine a light skin guy working with 3 dark skin guys - who use that word around 30 times every minute. Tho, the white guy, obviously will try to block out the most common word used at the work place (which is bound to go into subconscious - that's the basics of human psychology, kinda like someone who keeps repeating "Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant! Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!Do not think of a pink elephant!" - yet, due to repetition that phrase gets stuck in your mind whether you want that or not). Till one night when they all have a drink together, and he accidentally goes.... "yo, ma' n...." That guy is all of a sudden a racist, and let's just hope he wasn't beaten to a pulp.

If a freaking word can trigger someone to that extent, do you actually think most people - would just ignore what they see there (if that video was all over the social media) - and act like it's all cool (just because that video has no effect on you)?! Especially the actual racists - who are usually spiteful for no reason. There's a good reason "Pride" was considered a deadly sin.The thing is... the people from that video were supporting BLM at that protest - and if that's the message they sent (what it means to be a BLM supporter), some of the viewers might get the wrong message - and twink twice about being a BLM supporter. The social norm - dictates how people should behave, but that can change... for better... or worst. The human history is a solid proof of that (most wars didn't start for righteous reasons).

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Posted by neves
If those videos end-up all over the media, or if that starts happening at more protests - a lot of people who were never racists might reconsider (or at least feel and equal amount of hate). While real racists - will turn 5x more racist (which could translate to an equal amount of violence). You can't fight oppression with oppression, that's bound to give rise to even more oppression and violence.

You need to re-watch. Its not that serious,...

First video - white guy (?) talking to a crowd of white people: "I will use my voice in the most uplifting way possible and do everything in my power to educate my community.", "I will love my black neighbors the same as my white ones.". This is just a group of whites collectively affirming good intentions towards black people.

The commentator tells us "you had 1,000 people on their hands and knees, hands up, basically just beating themselves into the ground...If you didn't do anything to anybody, then why are you apologizing?"

1. No one is on their "hands and knees" in the video - literally not one person. Many are standing, the rest are just sitting.

2. No one is apologizing in the video. The theme there, at least with what is presented, doesn't revolve around guilt at all, and his rhetoric around self-flagellation is totally unwarranted.

Second video is just a dude posing as a member of BLM, very obviously trolling one scared white woman, who seems to figure it out herself half way through and just walk off. Nothing to see here. People do wild things for youtube....

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Check the comments section of that video (some joke about it, some are pissed while others find it repulsive).

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I think it comes down to a personal decision. Some might feel forms of guilt and others don't. Both cases have potential to be problematic.
It's a private choice everyone makes for themselves and neither side of the political spectrum has much right to demand that people take the choice those parties deem right.

Who is asking for "guilt?"

We want change. And, for it to stop.

Check the 1st video.

Maybe your intents are righteous (for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop), but it's naive to expect the same from everyone. My point is... there is no "WE" - there's just you an others alike (in terms of THINKING - not skin color). And others alike are not defined by the color of your/their skin. The majority might agree with you - even if they don't share the same skin color, but certain people be - of any color (even similar) - have their own personal agenda. Believe it or not - there are people with same ancestry - who find joy and are the cause of other people's suffering. Even if there's an equal amour of saints and devils in this world - it will always feel like there's more devils (pain/suffering stands out more than justice or happiness).

Me and others alike is implied.

Evil still exists... as always.

But, being black is not just skin color... it's also culture... which has also been attacked.

When i hear the word culture... my brain starts to give errors - cause such a grey area... I mean, on the positive side... cultures can be interesting, and quite delicious to... THO, on the negative side - it's also the most evil human concept (all things consider). That term is indeed part of your issue... after all it's part of around 90% conflicts - starting with first human tribe who did some things a certain way - till it became their culture... and then they found another tribe - with a different culture they didn't agree with and thus... the first cultural conflict/battle/war started.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the color of your skin - can be found in a multitude of cultures. Even contradictory, After all, your ancestors fought among each-other for thousands of years (even tho they had the same skin color). And same goes for my ancestors. I'm not familiar with the actual statistic - so, i'll use google for that, as in...

"In Africa, there are about 3,000 tribes, speaking more than 2,000 different languages.

The African population has been marked by immense change over time. Some tribes have died out, while others have joined together, been split or even formed due to the continent’s colonisation.

In Africa, you can see the groupings of the many fascinating and unique peoples with your own eyes."

https://www.africasafari.co.uk/blog/tribes-in-africa.htm
(maybe the info is not 100 correct - but i presume they're not that far from the actual statistics - or are they?)

I'm not familiar with all the wars that took place in Africa - since the early days of humanity, tho i do know a bit about Europe's history... Even, tho - the the languages spoken in Europe is way smaller, as in... "There are 24 official languages in Europe… but there are actually more than 200 languages spoken on the continent." Europe's history is riddles with conflicts/battles/wars - fought in the name of cultural beliefs. Same goes for the last major war (WW2).

Again, on the positive side... i do find cultural differences are interesting - especially the food (since i'm a foodie), but then... the word culture is brought up in a context - like the one from this topic, and i can't deal with this butter (is just to much...). Sorry, but the cultural war is not my thing - so hey, good luck with that. There's only temporary winners and a lot of losers anyway. Who know, this word could even be the end of humanity... then again, it was also a big part of the beginning - so i guess it makes sense in that regard (to end just the way it started).

You mentioned the color of skin.

You don't know my heritage or whether I'm of African decent.

Sorry you're grey on culture but, I know mine.

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Not in an cultural context. As pointed out in my first quote, i presumed your protest was about this: "for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop..." My bad (a faulty assumption). If it's a matter of culture - there's very little room for debate, that's like debating with a religious fanatic (that too, is a cultural thing), where - cultural beliefs - are absolute truths. Honestly, i don't have what it takes to be a Jehovah's witnesses (or a good salesman). So hey, good luck - i guess... 🤷

Oh and i know my heritage, i just don't agree with all their beliefs (different times - different beliefs). To me - that's both stupid and dangerous. I'm actually glad that most people from U.S don't feel the same (about their heritage - and the cultural values of their ancestors) - or slavery and racism would still be a strong thing (in some States). Countries like North Korea - are a strong proof of that (oppressive regimes - didn't become obsolete - just because democracy became a common thing this days - on most parts of the world, at least...).

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Posted by neves

Posted by VenusAquarius

Posted by Antiphates
I think it comes down to a personal decision. Some might feel forms of guilt and others don't. Both cases have potential to be problematic.
It's a private choice everyone makes for themselves and neither side of the political spectrum has much right to demand that people take the choice those parties deem right.

Who is asking for "guilt?"

We want change. And, for it to stop.

Check the 1st video.

Maybe your intents are righteous (for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop), but it's naive to expect the same from everyone. My point is... there is no "WE" - there's just you an others alike (in terms of THINKING - not skin color). And others alike are not defined by the color of your/their skin. The majority might agree with you - even if they don't share the same skin color, but certain people be - of any color (even similar) - have their own personal agenda. Believe it or not - there are people with same ancestry - who find joy and are the cause of other people's suffering. Even if there's an equal amour of saints and devils in this world - it will always feel like there's more devils (pain/suffering stands out more than justice or happiness).

Me and others alike is implied.

Evil still exists... as always.

But, being black is not just skin color... it's also culture... which has also been attacked.

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When i hear the word culture... my brain starts to give errors - cause such a grey area... I mean, on the positive side... cultures can be interesting, and quite delicious to... THO, on the negative side - it's also the most evil human concept (all things consider). That term is indeed part of your issue... after all it's part of around 90% conflicts - starting with first human tribe who did some things a certain way - till it became their culture... and then they found another tribe - with a different culture they didn't agree with and thus... the first cultural conflict/battle/war started.

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the color of your skin - can be found in a multitude of cultures. Even contradictory, After all, your ancestors fought among each-other for thousands of years (even tho they had the same skin color). And same goes for my ancestors. I'm not familiar with the actual statistic - so, i'll use google for that, as in...

"In Africa, there are about 3,000 tribes, speaking more than 2,000 different languages.

The African population has been marked by immense change over time. Some tribes have died out, while others have joined together, been split or even formed due to the continent’s colonisation.

In Africa, you can see the groupings of the many fascinating and unique peoples with your own eyes."

https://www.africasafari.co.uk/blog/tribes-in-africa.htm
(maybe the info is not 100 correct - but i presume they're not that far from the actual statistics - or are they?)

I'm not familiar with all the wars that took place in Africa - since the early days of humanity, tho i do know a bit about Europe's history... Even, tho - the the languages spoken in Europe is way smaller, as in... "There are 24 official languages in Europe… but there are actually more than 200 languages spoken on the continent." Europe's history is riddles with conflicts/battles/wars - fought in the name of cultural beliefs. Same goes for the last major war (WW2).

Again, on the positive side... i do find cultural differences are interesting - especially the food (since i'm a foodie), but then... the word culture is brought up in a context - like the one from this topic, and i can't deal with this butter (is just to much...). Sorry, but the cultural war is not my thing - so hey, good luck with that. There's only temporary winners and a lot of losers anyway. Who know, this word could even be the end of humanity... then again, it was also a big part of the beginning - so i guess it makes sense in that regard (to end just the way it started).

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Posted by WitchmitchAries

You are made up then I guess.

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I'm 100% sure you didn't watch the video - but jumped to conclusion based on the title alone (judged a book by its cover).

That dude makes a lot of solid points - and if you check the comments on that video - there's no counter arguments (or at least 99.9% agree with what he said - even while sharing the same skin color). Even tho, the guy from the videos made it clear that - he's whiling to debate that topic with everyone (especially people of same color).

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Posted by Antiphates
I think it comes down to a personal decision. Some might feel forms of guilt and others don't. Both cases have potential to be problematic.
It's a private choice everyone makes for themselves and neither side of the political spectrum has much right to demand that people take the choice those parties deem right.

Who is asking for "guilt?"

We want change. And, for it to stop.

click to expand

Check the 1st video.

Maybe your intents are righteous (for racial prejudice and unjustified violence - to stop), but it's naive to expect the same from everyone. My point is... there is no "WE" - there's just you an others alike (in terms of THINKING - not skin color). And others alike are not defined by the color of your/their skin. The majority might agree with you - even if they don't share the same skin color, but certain people be - of any color (even similar) - have their own personal agenda. Believe it or not - there are people with same ancestry - who find joy and are the cause of other people's suffering. Even if there's an equal amour of saints and devils in this world - it will always feel like there's more devils (pain/suffering stands out more than justice or happiness).