Apparently I look "younger". Must be my mutable sign rising.

I don't even compliment my family or friends (only when well deserved) and you expect me to compliment some guys ?
Nope.

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Well, when angry we spill all the truth.

I don’t believe that... I think we can control our mouths even when angry.

Maybe that depends of our mars sign as well. I know when I'm angry I won't hold back.

I always hold back. I don’t want to hurt anyone I just need my space.

How boring.
What's your mars sign ?

Is there something wrong with you?

My mars sign is in Capricorn. Being peaceful does not mean boring. I don’t like or want to be all wound up.

There's nothing wrong with me, I'm fine.
Oh, now that makes sense.

I’ll say hurtful truths but that’s when I pushed to the brink n cornered

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Right ? When pushed too far, you have to tell it like it is.

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Well, when angry we spill all the truth.

I don’t believe that... I think we can control our mouths even when angry.

Maybe that depends of our mars sign as well. I know when I'm angry I won't hold back.

I always hold back. I don’t want to hurt anyone I just need my space.

How boring.
What's your mars sign ?

Is there something wrong with you?

My mars sign is in Capricorn. Being peaceful does not mean boring. I don’t like or want to be all wound up.

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There's nothing wrong with me, I'm fine.
Oh, now that makes sense.

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Men always blame women whenever they treetrunk up.

these "Men" were raised by someone, they are not aliens to suddendly come to treetrunk up some women´s life, right?

Why should the parents always be blamed, it's their problem if they can't control themselves.

"Why should the parents always be blamed, it's their problem if they can't control themselves"

Peachy, really?
you are right, adults should control themselves and lots of them are good at it, regardless of family circumstances, thats true
but, how boys and girls are raised to get into adulthood, where they are lost and cant form a normal relationship to save their lives, where is the beginning? how they got there?
but its true, some people just dont want a relationship (with the wrong ones) and it has nothing to do with the parents, but the people they date

(edit: I mean the people they date, when they dont acknowledge the other peoples baggage and their own and dont get out the minute they see there is a person with a bigger proglem than themselves)

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I said what I said. It's up to us to discipline ourselves. We're our own person and if we have some "engagement" issues then it's our fault.
That's what I believe.

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Men always blame women whenever they treetrunk up.

these "Men" were raised by someone, they are not aliens to suddendly come to treetrunk up some women´s life, right?

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Why should the parents always be blamed, it's their problem if they can't control themselves.

Men always blame women whenever they treetrunk up.

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You mean men, right ?

No, although I had some of those encounters coming from men as well the majority still were women.

Okay, but men aren't better either. I can't count how many times I was harrassed on the street, by them. So don't point fingers at the women only, because women have been really loud about this, these days.

No one said anything like this nor is this thread a "finger pointing".
I also don't know what you are referring to with the "because women have been really loud about this, these days." part.
Do you mean MeToo?

The title of your thread points at us only. Not just MeToo, but also normal people who have been harassed outside or just sharing their bad experiences, as well.

Of course, because I am a man and the people who did this were overwhelmingly female. Only one man touched my crotch area once. The rest from men were just talking. The physical sexual agression therefore was coming almost exclusively from women not men.

I'm only doing what those others you speak of did: sharing my perspective and that perspective is that the majority of people who do and did this to me are women. I can only speak for myself and not others. Nothing more, but also nothing less.

You say one man did it too and then you say it's mostly women, how contradicting. Anyway, I didn't like the way you phrased it. Like it was only women who do that. Sexual harassment can happen to any genders, we shouldn't point finger at only one.

And in case I offended you, I feel sorry for what these people did to you. They're disgusting, no more no less.

It was one, I repeat ONE single one and it wasn't done in a sexual context but more a male to male power situation, which makes it a completly different thing and would be part of my general struggle with other people of my gender, which btw. includes the way they treat women and the often ensuing conflict that erupts when I don't tolerate this kind of behaviour.

I'm sorry that you don't like the phraising but I stand by it. Not to say that men don't do any of this too but precisely because women do it too, which is something that is rarely talked about or considered. Something your inital replies reflects and no, none of this reply is because I feel offended or something.

I wouldn't call or think of them as disgusting though. Most of them probably weren't even aware of what they were doing.

Still, my point stands. I don't like the way it was phrased.
Even thought it was just "one" guy, it's still ONE PERSON. And unless you lied and he didn't touch you, then it doesn't change anything.

I've seen quite a lot of women speaking out for men too, it's just that like usual, men choose whatever fit their narratives.

It's not about genders it's about people in general. So your title shouldn't have pointed at one gender only, but people in general. Period.

Anyway, I didn't come here to fight.

Yet, you ignore that I said the dynamic was a different one which puts that one case into a different category. You can categorize things by result and it might have some benefits but you will always lose a lot of potential insight by dumbing it down like that.
You are free to not like the title and with the reasoning you gave it is a valid point but if you say that it is pointing fingers twisting things you can expect me to speak out and say no over and over again. Simp,y because it isn't. Saying women isn't saying that men don't do it as well. It is also not saying that women can't be victism of this as well. It is just my perspective and my plea. Not the perspective of men or a plea of men but mine and mine alone. In that sense I can't even speak for all men because my case might just be an oddity.
Perspective on all of this matters. Not only because the dynamics are different for both genders but also because by saying it the way I said it goes against the traditional narration of this, which in turn touches on peoples general inability to see those who are narrated as the perpetrators as subjects who are also able of being harmed and vice versa. In that sense the title helps to get the message of "both are subjected to this", that you support, across.

I have also seen a lot of men speaking up and fighting for women and female rights. Not only now but for decades.
Doesn't change the fact that it is often males who subject females to sexual violence.

In the end however I agree that it is about people in general and that we need to but an end to this regardless of gender and sexualorientation but to do so we have to start with the respective perspectives and then go further from there because every perspective has elements of the core problems to it that may be unique to it. By submerging them into big mass we lose those aspects.

In the end however this thread wasn't even supposed to delve into this but a simple expression of myself and my frustration about a lot of interactions with women turn sexual and my plea, from me as the individual subject that I am, to the individual subjects of this site and not a commentary to social trends or social situations. If it had been the title and the OP would have been so full of nuance that the majority of you people around here would never have bothered to read it.

I'm going to make it short. Look, I got your point. I did. But the way you adressed your question to us, women, wasn't it. I didn't like that. You asked us this question like we we all do this, when we're victims of that butter too.

Now, your point is valid. What happened to you is extremly wrong. I feel sorry that you had to endure that, I can only imagine how uncomfortable it made you feel. Since I had something like this that happened to me before, I know how it feels like. I also know you didn't mean any wrong.

Again, I really hope these issues would be taken more seriously in the future. We're all already working on it, but it's not enough. And the punishments aren't enough neither.

If I can ask you a question, did you tell these people something ? Did you tell them to "stop" for exemple ?

I am completly okay with you not liking because the argument for it is completly valid. I'm just saying this again to be as clear as I can on this.

I agree mostly with the rest and too hope that human beings in general will simply come to treat each other better in the future. Not only on this issue but all the other areas as well but I know it will be a long and rocky ride before we get there.
Only the punishment thing is something I'm not comfortable with.

As for the your question: depends on the case. With the one where I was 14 I didn't do or say anything because I was afraid that it would be turned against me and I would end up being accused of harassment. This fear in such situations is still present but over time I have come to just push the hand or whatever, say no and walk away. I didn't even understood most this as sexual harassment back then. Even with the general understanding of how overlooked a lot of male struggles are, due to the fact that my mother is a social pedagogue who worked a lot with men and their trauma back then I failed to understand and recognize it as what is pretty much was/is.

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At least we agree. Glad that we could resolved this.

14 years old is such a young age though. At least you said no, it's better than not doing or saying anything.

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Well, when angry we spill all the truth.

I don’t believe that... I think we can control our mouths even when angry.

Maybe that depends of our mars sign as well. I know when I'm angry I won't hold back.

I always hold back. I don’t want to hurt anyone I just need my space.

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How boring.
What's your mars sign ?

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You mean men, right ?

No, although I had some of those encounters coming from men as well the majority still were women.

Okay, but men aren't better either. I can't count how many times I was harrassed on the street, by them. So don't point fingers at the women only, because women have been really loud about this, these days.

No one said anything like this nor is this thread a "finger pointing".
I also don't know what you are referring to with the "because women have been really loud about this, these days." part.
Do you mean MeToo?

The title of your thread points at us only. Not just MeToo, but also normal people who have been harassed outside or just sharing their bad experiences, as well.

Of course, because I am a man and the people who did this were overwhelmingly female. Only one man touched my crotch area once. The rest from men were just talking. The physical sexual agression therefore was coming almost exclusively from women not men.

I'm only doing what those others you speak of did: sharing my perspective and that perspective is that the majority of people who do and did this to me are women. I can only speak for myself and not others. Nothing more, but also nothing less.

You say one man did it too and then you say it's mostly women, how contradicting. Anyway, I didn't like the way you phrased it. Like it was only women who do that. Sexual harassment can happen to any genders, we shouldn't point finger at only one.

And in case I offended you, I feel sorry for what these people did to you. They're disgusting, no more no less.

It was one, I repeat ONE single one and it wasn't done in a sexual context but more a male to male power situation, which makes it a completly different thing and would be part of my general struggle with other people of my gender, which btw. includes the way they treat women and the often ensuing conflict that erupts when I don't tolerate this kind of behaviour.

I'm sorry that you don't like the phraising but I stand by it. Not to say that men don't do any of this too but precisely because women do it too, which is something that is rarely talked about or considered. Something your inital replies reflects and no, none of this reply is because I feel offended or something.

I wouldn't call or think of them as disgusting though. Most of them probably weren't even aware of what they were doing.

Still, my point stands. I don't like the way it was phrased.
Even thought it was just "one" guy, it's still ONE PERSON. And unless you lied and he didn't touch you, then it doesn't change anything.

I've seen quite a lot of women speaking out for men too, it's just that like usual, men choose whatever fit their narratives.

It's not about genders it's about people in general. So your title shouldn't have pointed at one gender only, but people in general. Period.

Anyway, I didn't come here to fight.

Yet, you ignore that I said the dynamic was a different one which puts that one case into a different category. You can categorize things by result and it might have some benefits but you will always lose a lot of potential insight by dumbing it down like that.
You are free to not like the title and with the reasoning you gave it is a valid point but if you say that it is pointing fingers twisting things you can expect me to speak out and say no over and over again. Simp,y because it isn't. Saying women isn't saying that men don't do it as well. It is also not saying that women can't be victism of this as well. It is just my perspective and my plea. Not the perspective of men or a plea of men but mine and mine alone. In that sense I can't even speak for all men because my case might just be an oddity.
Perspective on all of this matters. Not only because the dynamics are different for both genders but also because by saying it the way I said it goes against the traditional narration of this, which in turn touches on peoples general inability to see those who are narrated as the perpetrators as subjects who are also able of being harmed and vice versa. In that sense the title helps to get the message of "both are subjected to this", that you support, across.

I have also seen a lot of men speaking up and fighting for women and female rights. Not only now but for decades.
Doesn't change the fact that it is often males who subject females to sexual violence.

In the end however I agree that it is about people in general and that we need to but an end to this regardless of gender and sexualorientation but to do so we have to start with the respective perspectives and then go further from there because every perspective has elements of the core problems to it that may be unique to it. By submerging them into big mass we lose those aspects.

In the end however this thread wasn't even supposed to delve into this but a simple expression of myself and my frustration about a lot of interactions with women turn sexual and my plea, from me as the individual subject that I am, to the individual subjects of this site and not a commentary to social trends or social situations. If it had been the title and the OP would have been so full of nuance that the majority of you people around here would never have bothered to read it.

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I'm going to make it short. Look, I got your point. I did. But the way you adressed your question to us, women, wasn't it. I didn't like that. You asked us this question like we we all do this, when we're victims of that butter too.

Now, your point is valid. What happened to you is extremly wrong. I feel sorry that you had to endure that, I can only imagine how uncomfortable it made you feel. Since I had something like this that happened to me before, I know how it feels like. I also know you didn't mean any wrong.

Again, I really hope these issues would be taken more seriously in the future. We're all already working on it, but it's not enough. And the punishments aren't enough neither.

If I can ask you a question, did you tell these people something ? Did you tell them to "stop" for exemple ?