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Posted by hellosaggy
@Senorita_LL

Loyalty...

I lie so damn much. I'd rather know you have my back at the end of the day than be a hypocrite.

The worst part about it is I'm a terrible liar. so technically you will know when I'm lying and not believe my lies anyway lol



Haha, sometimes I wonder if all Sags were created from the same womb. I kid, I kid.

Posted by Soul
Loyalty.

I'm pretty hypocritical when it comes to honesty. It's probably my Leo sun Scoprio moon combo. I'm the first to tell people what I think and give an honest opinion, but the second they do it to me my ego can't take it. It's something I need to work on lol.


Lmaooooo
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


So if you loyal it means forever? And you guarantee not to fall for another person?


Yes, I can do that.

Until the other person decided to play games, then I mirror.

That's the butterty side of me though, which I have to admit.


How can you guarantee not to fall for another person? It's a lie right there


Oi, if I am with one person, I am with just one person. Until I am no longer with him, that's a different situation.

Are you trying to mindtreetrunk me now, sweetheart? Blahh


If you are witjbanone person and you fall with another person - there goes your loyalty guarantee!
Never say never.
You should be loyal enough to be truthful and tell that you are out. And 'loyalty insurance had expired'...

Consider yourself braintreetrunked! πŸ˜‚


What you talking about? Woman!


I M talking about some people asking stupid questions.
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Lol.

You calling me stupid now. Omg, do you wanna fight? Hahahaha

I'm sleepy now, can we do this again tomorrow? Haaaa
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


So if you loyal it means forever? And you guarantee not to fall for another person?


Yes, I can do that.

Until the other person decided to play games, then I mirror.

That's the butterty side of me though, which I have to admit.


How can you guarantee not to fall for another person? It's a lie right there


Oi, if I am with one person, I am with just one person. Until I am no longer with him, that's a different situation.

Are you trying to mindtreetrunk me now, sweetheart? Blahh


If you are witjbanone person and you fall with another person - there goes your loyalty guarantee!
Never say never.
You should be loyal enough to be truthful and tell that you are out. And 'loyalty insurance had expired'...

Consider yourself braintreetrunked! πŸ˜‚
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What you talking about? Woman!
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


So if you loyal it means forever? And you guarantee not to fall for another person?


Yes, I can do that.

Until the other person decided to play games, then I mirror.

That's the butterty side of me though, which I have to admit.


How can you guarantee not to fall for another person? It's a lie right there
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Oi, if I am with one person, I am with just one person. Until I am no longer with him, that's a different situation.

Are you trying to mindtreetrunk me now, sweetheart? Blahh
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


So if you loyal it means forever? And you guarantee not to fall for another person?
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Yes, I can do that.

Until the other person decided to play games, then I mirror.

That's the butterty side of me though, which I have to admit.
Go ahead love.

You deserves all the happiness you have ever wanted. Live your life.

Keep in touch. Muahhh!
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This is really tough.. I want to pick loyalty.. But I have spent my time with a loyal liar and it's a real puzzle for the brain.. The dishonesty really clouds your vision.. Lies create doubt. Makes it hard to believe they are loyal even if they are. I don't think I could pick one over the other..


You mean he was loyal to his lies? Eh?


Loyal to me, but just had a bad habit of lying.. about stupid things even. Which made it near impossible for me to trust him or trust the fact that he was loyal. I wouldn't be able to stick it out without knowing for sure that he was faithful to me.. and I had my ways of finding out. But the lies created doubt in my mind A LOT. Was tough.
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I understand.

I've always think, once you start to lie, every of your other words will be questioned.

It is tough.
Posted by Palerio
I don't see where's the issue with loyalty.

Can people just decide they'll never going to cheat and that is the end of it?


Lol

I wish.
Posted by Gob_buttere
Posted by Senorita_LL

I think when it comes to loyalty, nothing will make the person lie.

Or such a belief ends up making you a doormat...
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How?
Posted by Drogan
So I'm trying to differentiate Honesty and Loyalty. Let's say your girlfriend/ wife, whatever, has a best friend. one night, that best friend makes a move on you... if I wasn't loyal, but Honest, I would give in to the best friend, but I would tell my significant other later. On the other hand, If I was loyal, but not honest, I would not give in to the best friend's moves, but I wouldn't tell my significant other that their best friend tried to seduce me. lmao, I feel like they go hand in hand, but I can see situations in which it wouldn't. Personally, I'd choose loyalty over honesty. In the situation I described, I think it'd help her keep a best friend, and not create a bunch of unnecessary drama.


Thank you.

That was what I am trying to say here.

There's a lot of difference when it comes to honesty and loyalty. It depends on how one sees it.
Posted by blvckphase
This is really tough.. I want to pick loyalty.. But I have spent my time with a loyal liar and it's a real puzzle for the brain.. The dishonesty really clouds your vision.. Lies create doubt. Makes it hard to believe they are loyal even if they are. I don't think I could pick one over the other..


You mean he was loyal to his lies? Eh?
Posted by Pandora101
the thing is, what is your personal definition of honesty and loyalty?

My definition is:
honest - true to the core values of your character = having integrity (honest with yourself) - it doesnt mean you dont lie at all, ever
loyalty - be there for somebody throu bad times, good times, not backstabbing.... and be there, like there, with me

It goes hand in hand

some people mistake honesty for being rude and blunt, I dont think its necessary...."honesty" is overrated and misused - but if you are dealing with a delusional person, who cannot be honest with themselves, its necessary

sometimes you dont have other options than telling somebody: how can you expect honesty, if you are not honest to yourself? (winking at you OP) is this honesty? or is it being fed up with inconsistent people?


You know, as much as I wanted to argue with you, I just can't be bothered anymore.

This is a topic that I just wanna have a healthy discussion with.

I am tired of you and your can't let go attitude so yeah, it's a wrap.
Posted by EvatheDiva
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It's just like dogs. They are so loyal, that nothing will makes them hurt their owner.

So a "loyal" dog has NEVER bitten its owner? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



cyber hugs!

Love,

Eva


I have never come across one yet. Unless the owner actually tortured his dogs, then that is called as self defense.

That's a totally different situation.


Self defense is not an animal decision. Only human beings have self defense while animals have what is called PROTECTIVE instincts.

cyber hugs!

Love,

Eva
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Ok, make sense.
Posted by nano
Only dogs are loyal. It’s not a trait that human beings are fully capable of


Maybe so, but I still believe there are people like that exist.

Example, the heroes who fought and died for their Country.
Posted by EvatheDiva
It's just like dogs. They are so loyal, that nothing will makes them hurt their owner.

So a "loyal" dog has NEVER bitten its owner? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



cyber hugs!

Love,

Eva


I have never come across one yet. Unless the owner actually tortured his dogs, then that is called as self defense.

That's a totally different situation.
Posted by tiziani
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


Destroying the other human being sounds extreme lol

I can definitely remember moments like that, seeing relationships destroyed, but not people. A relationship falling apart because of a moment of honesty probably was based on deception.



Haha, it's really destroying the other person, Tiz.

I've had that moments too, and damn, it really sucks! This is why I have always value loyalty over honesty.

However, loyalty has seems to cease these days, in the world we live in. It is sad.



Hmmmmm I dunno, I see a lot more loyalty than I used to notice. That's probably just because of the way I grew up though, like I said I shunned it before.

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Good for you. It's the opposite for me.

Meh...
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Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.


Destroying the other human being sounds extreme lol

I can definitely remember moments like that, seeing relationships destroyed, but not people. A relationship falling apart because of a moment of honesty probably was based on deception.

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Haha, it's really destroying the other person, Tiz.

I've had that moments too, and damn, it really sucks! This is why I have always value loyalty over honesty.

However, loyalty has seems to cease these days, in the world we live in. It is sad.
Posted by clownloyal
Honesty, you can be loyal and still lie your way thru a commitment


I beg to differ.

I think when it comes to loyalty, nothing will make the person lie.

It's just like dogs. They are so loyal, that nothing will makes them hurt their owner.

So, it's kind of the same thing. Just my thoughts, though.
Posted by tiziani
I definitely went with honesty when I was younger, loyalty I shunned.

Nowadays I vibe with loyalty. Honesty only up to a point, often it gets in the way.


Exactly.

Loyalty makes you win both. Honesty actually hurts more, it's good but it sucks at the same time! Lol

Example, I can be honest with you, that I love you so much today, and then it change to another thing the next day. Maybe like I have found someone better, and again, I was honest about it.

Don't you think that's destroying the other human being? If you know what I mean.