My Breakup

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So I went to work and as promised she spoke to me.
For those who could be bothered here is her reasoning.

"I lost sight of myself, I tried to be the person you wanted me to be. I made rules for myself, and asked you how to do everything. My friends realised I would be boisterous when you were not around and how I would change and become quiet when you showed up"

"I wanted to be the perfect girl to you, I listened to the things you said you wanted in a wife. But I just can't be that person. I'm wild, I like to drink, smoke, curse and be loud!"

"I have been putting off getting a new tattoo and piercing my tongue because I know you don't approve of these things"

Now please bear in mind, I never asked her to change for me. I could identify how different she was with "her friends" and I could see she was much happier when she could be as obnoxious as she pleased.
I told her many times not to change for me, to be herself, but she never listened.

She was intent on being the person who I wanted her to be and not herself.

I saw this coming and brought it to her attention but she simply brushed it off.

Life is so amusing.
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Typical sag behavior. We do change ourselfs cause we know thats what our partners want. We are alot like libras in that sense. We want to please cause we care but we can only do it for so long until it hurts us. The thing with sags is they never want to be caught. We can be in relationships for years and months and still want to be free. We stay because we know you want us to. Till one day we can't take it anymore and simply have to detach.

But Cajunspirit you will be fine. Wether you go into a relationship again or you don't. If you do you will attract whats right for you. You get closer to it every time.
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Posted by Sagittarius89
Typical sag behavior. We do change ourselfs cause we know thats what our partners want. We are alot like libras in that sense. We want to please cause we care but we can only do it for so long until it hurts us. The thing with sags is they never want to be caught. We can be in relationships for years and months and still want to be free. We stay because we know you want us to. Till one day we can't take it anymore and simply have to detach.



What!
You are telling me this is normal?

How the hell do any of you ever get married?
How can you pretend to be what you're not?

She says she still loves me and just needs time away.
This makes me think she will always be getting close then leaving high and dry.
LOL Sounds very Virgo 😛
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Posted by jade_dragon
Anyways, Cajun- I am sorry to hear about your breakup. I know it hurts right now, but know this- the pain WILL subside with the passing of time. Soon, she will only be a faint blip on your emotional radar.


And then one day- she will disappear, and be replaced with someone that fulfills you in a way that she never could. And then you will probably be shaking your head, wondering why you cared so much, and cursing the time you spent mourning her.


i agree with the lady, and this is the reason you may put the effort in again someday, even if it stings or makes you bitter in this moment.
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Posted by jade_dragon
But........
What if some of us do not want to get married? Does this somehow make us less of a valid, worthy person?



Nope, it doesn't.
It is just that she and I discussed it a lot.

Posted by Sagittarius89

HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Lets just face it. Were fucked.



lol


"How can you pretend to be what you're not?"
Cause we love you and we don't know what else to do!
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Be yourself and find someone who loves you just like that 🙂
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Posted by Cajunspirit
Posted by Trifles light as Air
just don't let this experience prohibit you from putting forth the same effort for someone who is really worth it...is what i'm trying to say.



I don't see why I should ever give the effort again.
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Aww Cajun 😢

I don't know if you saw what I wrote on the other thread, but one of my best friends is a female sag and whenever she breaks
up with her boyfriend she goes running after him once she sees he's ready to move on and does not pay attention to her.
They are engaged but he's so busy she barely spends time with him (but wants to). It seems as if to succeed with a sag you'd always
need to be hard to get.
Maybe when she comes back you might not be interested but be prepared cuz she probably will if she sees you have cut her off.

I was with a sag for a while and when it ended I missed him a lot but stayed away completely. When he came back I only wanted to be
platonic and he went along with it so he could be in my life. That was a long time ago and now we are true friends.


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Posted by Cajunspirit


How the hell do any of you ever get married?
How can you pretend to be what you're not?





I think it's a lot easier than it sounds to get a Sag to tie the knot, but than they might be resentful after wards. Unless, they tie the knot with an Aries, than they both would be frolicking in the same meadow together 🙂.

I also don't think pretending is a Sag woman trait alone, I think it's a woman trait and honestly you do it because you love them 🙂.

As for your break up, if you told her not to change when she did and she broke up with you for that very same reason, there must be another reason why she's breaking up with you, because that's a load of crock.
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Posted by satori
You said you didn't ask her to change, but you still were not truly embracing her for who she was and letting her be that way and that is what every person, regardless of sign, really wants and deserves. .



She still consciously made the choice to disregard my observations and do her own thing. The onus is mostly on her part.
She created the problem and chose to solve it on her own, instead of trying to work it out with me.

How can I embrace her if I only see what she truly is when she's angry?

Posted by DyTryin

She was intent on being the person who I wanted her to be and not herself.

Yeah, my Libra first wife was that way, too.



No wonder Sag and Libra are such great friends.

Try not to look at this as a failure. Relationships are not easy, but they are worth it.



What other way is there to look at it?

but don't give up -- you will find a woman who is a better match for you.
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Haha, I really don't want to.
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Posted by castorandpollux
CajunSpirit,

Believe her when she says she just wants time away. We do this. If you think she is worth it, be patient with her.



What hurts me the most... is that she knew she was not happy... she knew she wanted to break up... yet still... she made no effort to discuss it with me.
She kept it secret and hidden and just blindsided me with this "break to break up" crap over these last 3 days.

Also, bravo for making your view on tattoos and piercings known to her. If she genuinely cares for you, she will come to appreciate your perspective and hopefully compromise. It is absolutely unacceptable for her to be in a relationship with you and be unwilling to compromise on that front. She's being silly.



Based on my research, Sag women often just want to experience things for the sake of it.
I find that so impractical and annoying.

Some of what you've described does not seem Sag at all, but somewhat manipulative or controlling. Is Scorpio dominant in her chart?



Venus in Scorpio, that's all I think.

It's as though she is making it out that this is your fault, when she's the one who has failed to clue you in on what's been going on throughout, based on what you have written. And, yes, while it's true we generally like our partners to know rather than have us explain to them, if we are mature, we recognize that we are not exactly the most uncomplicated souls out there and learn to help our partners become more attuned with this aspect of us by showing them with time, not by breaking up with them and then blaming it on them. Don't let her get away with that, by which I mean, let her know that you will not own this break-up all by yourself, you have always been ready and willing to communicate but that she chose to close up to you. If she cares for you, reason will triumph - Sags are very logical, believe it or not :-) - and she'll come to understand your perspective.
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Thank you, you understand my stance perfectly.
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uote> She's attracted to your stability, to your constancy, she just can't offer that to you...IN THE SAME WAY. But we are plenty constant, if we love you we never fly away.



Haha, I let her know this very early on.
I need consistency and she doesn't give it to me.

If you can appreciate this distinction, respect it, and be patient enough to see this through, you'll see for yourself.
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We are still very much in love, I'm just waiting to see what happens when she has had her fill of time and space.
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Posted by tuscan_sun

How are you feeling and what/how did you respond?



I saw it coming, the break up caught me off guard. The reasoning did not.
I knew exactly what was going on, but she would never admit to it.

Posted by tuscan_sun
Maybe you don't realize it, but actions at times speak louder than words. So you may not be saying it, but your attitude is talking out loud.

Previous post seemed unclear.
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My attitude is that I don't see the point in half the things she finds so amusing. I told her this.
So it just follows I say what I mean and mean what I say.
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Posted by seavixen
Cajun, you are 21 years old and if she is the same age as you are, she probably isn't on your maturity level. From what I read on your "Virgo Consensus: Tattoos or Piercings" and what I have read above from her statements to you...it sounds like she is not on the same page as you.



Nope.
Live and let live, the Sag motto.

Where as for me
Order and consistency.

From reading your posts here on DXP, I can say that you have definite things that you just don't like and if you are "100" in real life like you are on here, I'm sure you haven't bit your tongue on some of those thoughts with her. She wants a tattoo and a piercing- you find them degrading. She thinks she is having fun wilin' out with her friends...you find it loud and obnoxious.



I'm not one to bite my tongue, but over the course of the relationship I bit it more and more.

Maybe she just felt like you were two people that are too different. At 21 years old and a relationship that a lot of time hasn't been invested- I don't think one should ever compromise on what they want to do in life. I think she did you a favor although it doesn't seem like it now.



What is this "favour" that you have interpreted?

You're young and have plenty of time...now is the time of your life that you should be casually dating, finding and exploring yourself- you can be selfish and focus on you. You don't have the responsibility of caring for another person. Like I said, brush your shoulders off dude and have some fun, do things you enjoy. Be 21.
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I don't care to be 21. I don't relate to people my age at all.
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Posted by seavixen
What can you do? Nothing but keep it moving...The "favour" I'm speaking of, is the fact that she broke up with you NOW rather than a gazillion months or years down the road after more time and feelings were invested. She realized that you two are way too different, regardless of how she chose to breakup with you, at least she didn't keep you around for a long time just to tell you that you "were too different" from her.



Hmmm, that is a valid observation. Thank you.

I'm thinking you put this post up to share and get feedback...
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Well I announced my intentions of the topic in my second post. I'm surprised how many of you have been kind enough to write me advice and insights. So why not update everyone and give the reasons for it all.

This is a classic episode of "Virgo Grooming gone awry. Much like Dy's Libra marriage in a much shorter term.
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Posted by tuscan_sun
She's somewhat of your living vice, from what it seems.

Tattoo, smoking, partying, obnoxious, so on and so forth. What made you stay?



Well Sweetiepie,

Like I stated in my original post, she was different around me. I got to see the sweet, loving and disinterested in vice girl that I told her I want as a wife. She chose to listen to what I had to say and transformed herself to my stated likes.

I only saw the real her when I pissed her off or caught glimpses while she was hanging out with other people.

It's her self created tragedy.
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Posted by tuscan_sun

The least. If personality isn't so great, the face should hold the patience.



I'm sorry, but I interpret this as you asserting that I am shallow and it hurts.

Posted by DyTryin

Cajun [on Failure]: What other way is there to look at it?

The Virgo Way!

If you internalize (try to "own") a set of irreconcilable differences, you haven't learned The Lesson.

THAT would be a personal failure!
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That is true... but you know how it is... we always wish it did not have to be this way.
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Posted by DyTryin

Cajun,

You seem like a very serious VG. Maybe a Capricorn, Aries, or Taurus Gal would be a better fit??




All the ones I know are flighty and immature. Wasting their parents money going to clubs and parties at every turn.


But, one thing I learned: You can drive yourself nuts with questions that can never be answered satisfactorily. It is better to accept that some things defy reason, and not all problems can be solved -- even by a Virgo!
.



That is a tall order Mr. Dyarstrasse... I don't think I am ready to accept such a possible reality as yet.

Posted by BelleTheScorpio
It could be she was afraid of hurting you, and so she held everything in until she just couldn't anymore?



Well yeah... that's what I wrote about in my first post.

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Cajun, i'm sorry that was just a joke. Trying to cheer you up, but I obviously failed.
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You did not fail, it's just I misinterpreted. Happens to me a lot.
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My two cents. Tats dont bother me. Its when the girl starts looking like she just got released from prison, then not so cool. Smoking? If the girl is really hot, I'll put up with it.

Otherwise if she was just cute, no way in hell. What a lot of women seem not to know is smoking puts wrinkles on your skin much, much, faster than they realize. My rationality for my shallowness is this. A cute girl who smokes from the age of say 17 to 24, will most likely be fugly by then. Then say a hot one that smoked in the same age range who will just go from hot to cute at that point.

Though when I am casually dating a hot girl who smokes and wants commitment, there is a tradeoff. She has to quit smoking if we become exclusive. I ain't kissing no ashtray on a regular basis. Plus I got the scare of my life when a neighbor was recently diagnosed with lung cancer. And he is not a smoker.

But his wife is and like a chimney. He's around it all the time. The doctor strongly implied that the constant second-hand smoke most likely contributed to him getting the cancer.

There is no way in hell I'm letting that shizza happen to moi. Hey, you want to have a talk box for a voice and look like Bea Arthur in 10 years, be my guest. But my ass is not going to be hooked up to any machines.

I pretty much tell the girl she needs to quit for herself. Cause if she just did it to be with me, the resentment will build.

Otherwise as long there is no major drugs involved, she has the freedom to do whatever.
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I guess I will give my two cents.

Ever try dating a Cancer girl? I'm a Cancer and I know we can be emotional train wrecks sometimes, and to be honest sometimes I wish I wasn't as sensitive as I am but those are two qualities that can't be changed. Look up Cancer and Virgo, almost every site and person has something very positive to say about the pairing. One site even said that this was a union made for marriage, and that Cancer is one of the few signs to get Virgos out of their heads and into their hearts because Virgos feel safe with Cancer and for that us Cancers don't get Virgo's harsher criticism. I think Cancer and Virgo are similar a bit, especially in goals. The one major factor that makes a Virgo and Cancer completely different is Cancer is more comfortable with emotions. Both Cancer and Virgo are sensitive, but being that Cancer is an emotional sign they will show this sensitivity where as Virgo will not. Your beliefs on tattoos and piercings can be respected, however I don't think it has anything to do with being a Virgo. Since you say you are nothing like your average 21 years old, I think it has to do with that because I know most older people (40+) don't approve of such things. I know people from every sign that disapproves of those things. I know a Cancer fellow who finds a girl with tattoos and piercings absolutely disgusting, and I know another Cancer guy who finds them very attractive and I also know a Virgo (who happens to be my crush) that likes tattoos and piercings, he has his eyebrow pierced and plans on getting snake bites. So in my honest opinion, body modification is just more of a personal preference. I don't think I'm too compatible with Sags either. Funny thing is my mom is a Sag and we have a LESS than perfect relationship. But I think she might have some Earth or Water in her chart (never bothers to look) because she ALWAYS stays in the house. Unless of course she partied in her youth and Sags "grow up" as they grow older. There was also this one Sag from England I was talking to about 2 years ago and I thought he was amazing, partly because he was English lol but also because he had a good sense of humour and we could talk for hours and never run out of things to talk about. He even had a nickname for me "treacle" it means sweetheart, something to do with Cockney rhyming. The one thing I didn't like was his need to party and go out to the pub and get hammered every single night. And he would tell me these stories, and ta
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talk about getting drunk and I was just completely turned off. The good news is that I lived across the Atlantic, but I do plan on studying abroad and I always shuttered to think if he would keep up this behaviour if we were actually to be together because I couldn't handle it.

Cancers are homebodies, but we do like to go out and have fun. I can't speak for every Cancer lol because I don't think partying is exclusive to Sags or Aries..I think every sign has people who go out and party. I have Cancer friends that like to go out to clubs. As for me? I HATE crowds. I avoid them as much as possible. If I ever went to a club I would be the one sitting at the bar all night drinking pure cranberry juice (cran apple to be exact lol). I've had drinks before with friends but not out in public. I'm 21 too and I don't see a joy in getting drunk. I've been to 2 parties my entire teenage life and both times I sat down being the wallflower. People kept trying to get me to dance and I HATE being told what to do and I especially hate when people try to force me to do things I don't want to do especially something so uncomfortable as dancing at a party. However, I do have a leo moon so as much as I hate crowds I love attention but only when it suits me and I feel comfortable with it. Like amongst friends I am the "class clown". Put me in a room of CLOSE friends and I will make you lol so hard. Put me in a room with close friends AND strangers, you'd wonder if I was still there. So what this long paragraph concludes is that Virgos can rest assure that their Cancer mate won't be partying like a maniac and they can both find pleasure watching a nice movie at home..something other signs might find boring. Continued.......
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Cancer are also known to make HUGE sacrifices for those they love. And depending on what else is in their chart they are ones that will change to suit their lover needs and not for show either like your Sag. If she acts one way around you, rest assure she will act that way with everyone else. However one thing you have to remember though is that EVERYONE, no matter what their sign is will act different around certain people. But the problem with your Sag is that she acts like a completely different person which Cancer will not. Cancers are not shy per say, more reserved and once they trust you and feel comfortable around you we become VERY talkative. My venus is in Gemini and I can literally talk your ear off. The only people who I found can out talk me is a Virgo lol. Well Virgo girls. I met this one Virgo girl at a concert I went to last week and we instantly clicked, there was nothing awkward at all and this girl could talk. Every time I tried to talk she would cut me off lol. I tried to speak during the few moments of silence we had and she would immediately open her mouth. I was quite surprised and intrigued to find out she was a Virgo..born same day and year as my Virgo crush (August 30th 89) and coincidentally, their name is similar. His name is Christoher (Chris for short) her name is Christina (Chris for short)

But yeah I have this strange connection with Virgos. Like with most signs when I meet them, unless they are a Cancer. I am more reserved and wait to open up. This is especially true when I meet Gemini people. But when I meet a Virgo, there isn't even an introduction we just get straight to chatting it up, never a dull moment. And oddly enough my 15 year old bro is a Virgo. He teases me to death, I laugh and tease him back it's so funny. I think Virgos and Cancer compliment each other.
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Cancers are pointed out as being sensitive and when it comes to Virgo they have to be careful not to hurt their feelings but for some strange reason I think Cancer would be the only one to handle Virgos teasing. Cancers aren't shallow either. At least I'm not. Looks are what attracts everyone at first, but it's those first conversations that determine whether it can work. I don't care if you are every woman's dream in the looks department, if I don't like your personality you become waaaay less attractive to me and the more you show your true colors you will continue to become attractive until you are just plain ugly.

So Cajun if you don't mind tears and sensitivity every once in awhile. A Cancer girl is a nice fit for a Virgo boy.
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Posted by DyTryin

lmd84: Ever try dating a Cancer girl?

I don't know Cajun beyond what he posts here, but I think he's too "buttoned-up" for a Water Gal...

He needs a Cappy, or a Taurus, who'll box his ears daily... just kidding! (sorta)

The VirGuys I see with Cancer Gals are Second or Third Decans, who generally don't give a shit for 70% of the typical Virgo baggage...



Yeah I don't know him other than what he post either but I thought he was a second decan? I think first decan Virgos are better suited for Cancers but Virgo and Cancer go good together in general. It does depend too on what else is in their chart. Like I said, I have a leo moon and a gemini venus lol.
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Posted by DyTryin

lmd84: So Cajun if you don't mind tears and sensitivity every once in awhile.

No offense, but Cancers cry 10x more often than Scorpios, and Scorpio is about my emotional limit...



Lol no offense taken. I know I can cry, I would love to be a Virgo and just box everything up. I don't know any Scorpio girls other than my grandma and she doesn't cry but she will cut your head off with her temper!
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Posted by DyTryin

lmd: I'm third decan...

So am I... and I married a Third Decan Scorpio...



So is my brother. He is Sep 20th. You MUST have an amazing sense of humour then. Actually I think all Virgos have that sense of humour that I love. As Cancer, a sense of humour is a quality that I want in someone and whilst I think Aquarius have a good sense of humour (dated one for 2 years), Virgo takes the cake in my opinion. Maybe because our humour is so similar but Virgo does it better I must admit haha. And yes so true about the Scorpio temper. Like the littlest things set her off. You should hear her when telemarketers call!
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Posted by Sekhmet

The bottom line is that any combination of people looking to be together needs compassion, flexibility, communication and 'spark'. Personality quirks are fun when the foundation is solid.



100% agreed. As a Cancer communication is VERY important. Without communication there is no understanding and without and understanding there is miscommunication and that's when relationships hit rock bottom imo.
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lovemedead84, trust me Cancer is a very viable option for me. They are my second picks, to Virgals.

The girl who my Sag envies most is a Cancer, she flat out dislikes the "aura" we have and says we "flirt" with each other... but that is not the case...
At least I don't think so.

Cancer girls are great but they never seem to be interested in me. I'm too much of a showoff or come off as a player, tralala

I don't think sign is the problem honestly, I think it's the level of maturity and materialistic interests at this age that dissapoint me most.