Pisces & Scorpio - My New Project

I finally got to see my younger Scorpio Brother and the Pisces Chick from work that I sorta kinda hooked him up with together for the first time yesterday at my Dad's...

Got more to write about this later, but after just a few hours of observation, I can tell that I'm gonna have to reassess some of my biases towards Fish Girls. This one is an absolute sweetheart! She's not the least bit silly, like so many that I've met before, and yet she retains this charming dreamy quality about her...

Debra cornered her (of course!), and found out all kinds of stuff that she shared with me on the drive back to our home - including the fact that she's already put in for a transfer to another civil service position much closer to where my Brother lives. Which is only fair: He quit a Big Money job in Colorado to move back home. It took him a couple of months, but he managed (in this economy!) to get a job with a company he worked for years ago that's in our state, but about three hours away from the Fish Girl. He's not making nearly as much $ $ as before, but thankfully things are cheaper down South...

In short: They are very serious about each other. I'm both happy for them, and concerned, because he's been married 5 times already!

For my part, I urged him privately to TAKE IT SLOW with this one, and he promised me he would...

They are such a happy couple - they laugh & smile & joke with each other almost nonstop. But their chemistry is very different from me & my Scorp's - there's nowhere near the latent intensity that we have (where it looks like we could rip each other's clothes off on the spot!). I sense this easy, breezy, energy flowing between them; and it's obvious to me that they "click" - lots of nonverbal communication going on between them that most folks probably don't notice...

I guess it's only natural for Water Signs to "get" each other emotionally. Debra & I have a mysterious connection, too, but it's more mature, more serious, and - with a Virgo involved! - not nearly as much fun for others to watch as these two...

My older Sister and I talked about them this afternoon, and she kept going on & on about what a couple of nuts they are - and how very much in love they seem to be. Like me, she's worried that this could be Ex-Wife #6, and she's gonna do her part to make our brother look before he leaps - again...

Of course we are sweethearts, how else would we be? 😛 He should take it slow because we are pretty sensitive. Especially if we REALLY like the guy like it seems she likes your brother. I remember a blue eyed virgo a couple years ago I ended up chasing off (this was before my virgo relationship). We clicked so well, but he wasn't emotionally available. I was pretty sad when he ended it immediately. Im happy though hes found a girl he is really into though. 🙂 We are still friends.

I'd be EXTRA weary of a man that has been married 5 times if I were that pisces, but then again they are known to be dreamy.

Good luck to them both.

Keep your nose out of it Dy ...as much as you can😛...observe from a distance.

Ditto ^ what she said...

Alir0x, I replied to your PM; and, yes, I am revising my opinions of Pisces women. Virgs don't like to admit our mistakes, but when we're presented with new facts, we will reanalyze, and adjust our views. We may not admit "I fucked up!" to your face, but you'll see the changes in our behaviors...

After seeing my Scorpio Brother and his Pisces Girlfriend together, I think he's finally found the right type of woman for him. The Pisces "gets" that he's just a big kid inside. Yeah, he'll joke around and flirt with gals, but she knows that he's faithful. To my knowledge, he's never cheated...

But I think his behavior is at the crux of my Scorp's dislike for him. Her first husband was a very handsome (male model type) Gemini who had women hit on him all the time, and he was not faithful. I've tried to reassure Debra that my brother is as faithful as I am, but once someone gets into her Penalty Box, it can take a long time for them to crawl out - if ever...

Lady_M: Keep your nose out of it Dy ...as much as you can

I have no choice - he's about three hours away from here. But since I'm the one who started this thing, I feel responsible for how it goes, so I'm gonna try to keep a finger in the pot. My older sister is gonna be more involved than I am, but that's a good thing - she has a lot of pull with our kid brother...

5 times though....there has to be something wrong with him.

Not necessarily...it sounds more like hes quick to fall in love without knowing all the facts. Thats my guess. Hopefully after 5 times he will learn to slow down a little more. lol.

If it is that, does that not seem like a problem to you?

...an expensive one at that.

...there has to be something wrong with him.

Hey! He ain't heavy, he's my brother!

He's got a great heart, but he absolutely sucks at selecting women. Most of his ex-wives are Earth Gals, and they got tired of being his surrogate mother real quick!

I don't think the Pisces will take that role - she seems more like his pal...

If nothing else, having married and divorced FIVE times shows that your brother has very poor judgement. That in itself is a problem.

I talked to my brother today, and he says the Pisces told him she's not gonna think about marriage until they've been together for at least a year, and I told him that's for the best, and that he shouldn't put any pressure on her to speed things up...

I could tell from his tone that he's really crazy about her, and that he feels like she's worth waiting for...

He's willing to live with her, or do whatever she wants to do, and that's a big change for him - maybe his possessiveness is easing as he gets older...

Sounds like the non-Pisces have a problem with this.

Sounds like your brother's Pisces girl doesn't have a problem with it.

So long as those two are fine with their relationship as it's developing, then that's all that matters.

While I'm thinking about it, here's some things I'd like to know about you Pisces ladies:

1. Are y'all willing to be a mother-figure to an immature guy if you love him?
2. How willing are you to relocate to be with a guy? (She may have to give up her civil service career to be in the same city he's working in.)
3. Who's more likely to be The Leader in the relationship: The Scorpio Guy or the Pisces Gal?? (Or, does it even matter?)

From what I've seen, these two act like they're high schoolers when they're together, and yet I know that they're pretty mature and responsible in their private lives (no debt, no substance abuse, etc.), so it's hard for me to understand what kind of couple they are - especially compared to me and my Scorp...

P-Angel: Sounds like the non-Pisces have a problem with this.

But in their defense, my Scorpio Wife has a problem with this relationship - and she got irritated with me back during the summer for starting it...

In my honest opinion, the Pisces Chick is on about the same "maturity level" as my brother, so I thought that would be a better match for him than his ex-wives...

But, I honestly don't understand Pisces women, Angelina. I don't think you're a typical Pisces - you're more "serious" than the ones I've met in the Real World - at least in the way you & I interact on DXP...

This is not a slam at Fishes, but the Pisces I've met seem superficial to me. That is, I wonder if this Pisces gal is so attracted to my brother because he's handsome & sexy (I've compared him to Ted Neeley from Jesus Christ Superstar [http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1087/634067427_ebb61f78f6_m.jpg]), that she's over-looking any incompatibilities...

I know from dealing with my Scorp that Earth Guys & Water Gals approach relationships from very different perspectives. I assume that as an outsider, this courtship between two Water Signs is not going to look "normal" to me...

I dont have an issue with the couple.

I just cant get past the 5 times married and divorced thing...after number 3 I would've said "fuck this shit". I dont even want to get married.


As for pisces women; the ones I know are pretty serious, although a few are indeed superficial. I find they can be pretty silly in relationships though (the whole "love is blind" type of deal). As I said before, P-Angel doesnt strike me as a pisces in any shape or form (btb, its nice to see you two, P and Dy, having civil conversation).

lol, you kinda resemble the Ted guy too Dy you just have darker hair and older of course.

you kinda resemble the Ted guy too Dy

Well, he is my brother, and we do have some similar features...

I find they can be pretty silly in relationships though (the whole "love is blind" type of deal)

Yeah, that's the way she strikes me - but my brother really likes her silliness...

I just cant get past the 5 times married and divorced thing

I've known a few people around my age who've lived with multiple people for a few to many years at a time. I know a woman who's divorced & remarried the same man 4 times so far. I've also known some 40+ year old singles who will probably never get married - they like the "Hook Up Mall" too much to ever "settle" with just one person...

LM: (btb, its nice to see you two, P and Dy, having civil conversation)

It won't last. And no, that's not me being a cynical Virgo. I'm just a student of history...

It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks .... it matters what those two think of each other.


You just never know what another person needs in their life. To Lady, to others, it's obvious that the 5 marriage thing is tremendous wall to be built from the get-go, so no depth could ever be found in each other because this wall would cause insecurities, paranoia, mistrust.

But, to them ... each other might be the one they've been needing their whole lives to make them feel complete.

If they are happy together .... that is all that matters.

Whats wrong with acting like kids? Its a good sign they are having fun. As long as they are serious in their jobs and getting some where, its not a big deal. That was how my ex virgo and I were. We were very fun when we spent time alone, but we were both serious in other parts of our lives.

I agree with what p-angel said, it really doesnt matter as long as they are happy. Looks like the fish has the control of the relationship and that may be a good thing in your brothers case.

l_p: Looks like the fish has the control of the relationship

Yes, so far, and that's been a pleasant surprise for me. I misjudged her - she's soft-spoken at work, and I took that to mean she'd be soft with my brother. It's turned out to be just the opposite: On the serious stuff, she's leading him...

Whats wrong with acting like kids?

My Brother doesn't need the encouragement to act less than half his age...

"But their chemistry is very different from me & my Scorp's - there's nowhere near the latent intensity that we have"

With Pisces and Scorpio, that is all under the surface, but still communicated to each other...almost psychically. Then we go home and rip each other's clothes off! 🙂

Glad to hear it's going well!

An update:

First, I spoke with my Brother Sunday. In the past, he's shared ALL KINDS of details with me about his women, but with the Pisces he's being much more discreet. But then again, I know her from work...

Second, the Pisces got approval for a transfer to a military base about a half-hour from my Brother. He's agreed with her that they'll maintain separate residences after she gets resettled. I thought he'd be disappointed, but he seemed okay with it (but, I couldn't see his expressions or body language). Anyway, he's been quick to shack-up with women, and I assumed that would be the arrangement this time, too...

An update: I'll be helping the Pisces Chick move her stuff up north this weekend. She's renting a townhouse close to her new job, and my Brother is keeping his apartment...

I'm proud of the Fish Gal: She's stuck to her guns, and has my Brother towing the line (for a change!).

My Scorpio Wife has cut her some slack, and that's no small thing, either...

Shit! A Pisces taking on two Scorpios, and prevailing! What's next? Dogs & cats lying down together?

i think pisces are HIGHLY underestimated

Yeah, I'm one of the "underestimators" of Pisces. I'm very impressed with the Little Fish my brother is in love with.

I think of my Scorp as a Tough Water Gal. Now, I see that this Pisces is a Heavy Water Gal...

It's like she flips a switch, and goes from giddy to serious in a nanosecond. I pride myself on my rhetorical skills, and yet I found it difficult to box her in - she kept vaporizing my line of discussion, but in a way that was subtle... never abrupt...

My brother won't talk (like he usually does - spills his guts to me most of the time), but I suspect she's more dominant than any of the Earth Women he's married in the past...

I think it's going to be an interesting summer...

Pisces aren't what people think .. one would have to be in a relationship with us to finally comprehend. Because we seem so dreamy all the time, a person would erroneously think we are weak-minded, weak-willed, with absolutely no convictions ..... wrong.



In our relatinships Dyr .. we are the dominate ones, we rule ... period .. or we swim.

Your choice, make it .... be sure it's the right choice for you, because you get only one shot.



I'm unclear as to why you think that just because Scorpios are difficult for you to master, why you would think Pisces should have a problem with it?



If your brother and this woman are meant to be a couple ... then she will heal your brother. Why does that shock you?

Because you and Scorpio wife can't do it, so you if you or her can't then this should mean that nobody can?


Let me tell you something here and every time I've ever talked about this, Pisces will pop in to confirm that they have life experiences similar ..... when a person is in a relatinship with a Pisces, they never forget this union, and when the experience is over and the relationship is over ...

... these people always come back .. ALWAYS .. you want to know why?

Because people realize once we're gone, exactly what they had ... and they come to find out that no other person will let them live their life with someone to share it with, all others want to own it.

^^^^^ truth, and once realized .... they always come back ... always.

To be with a Pisces .. one must hand over the reigns and live our way or the highway ... and our way is by letting be.


We dominate/control the relationship by being adamant that there isn't any .. there is only sharing because you want to.


And the moment it takes a turn otherwise, our partners know we will swim away .. they know this, and so if they want to be with us then they learn from the very beginning ... that the only control they are allowed to have ...

.. is for their own self-control.

Sounds like your brother is needing to learn self-control ... which is something he cannot learn from you or your wife, since you two aren't him, so therefore you aren't his self, to have self-control ... alls you can do is "tell" him how to live.


Sounds like your brother is being healed by this Pisces woman ... as he is learning self-control and not pushing like he's done in the past, not blindly rushing around like a fool on an emotional mission.


This is the Piscean way .... where she is leading him is where we take all our partners.


He will soon know, if he doesn't know already ..... we don't tell you what to do, we won't demand anything ..... but, if you can't tell yourself what to do, what is right, if you have no strength to control your own self ... then we're so far downstream that the only thing you recognize is our wake, and even that doesn't resemble anything that you thought we were before you decided to be weak.

And we do this silently ..... by sheer devotion to you when you are strong.


Kind of like a dog, actually ..... when he is good, he gets a treat .. when he is bad, he gets no pets.


When you are strong, determined, loyal, respectful, when you are in complete control of your life without being arrogant into think we need to be controlled, when you are being your perfect person for yourself ........ you get pets, such sweetness that you can't even imagine the majical nectar.

When you are weak, controlling of us with no self pride, all of those things that are wrong for you to be the perfect person for yourself .......... you don't exist. It isn't even a matter of ignoring you to teach you a lesson .. you don't exist, we are gone, and you are erased from our memory of existence.



And all this you learn very quickly ... through our method of devotion to you, without trying to mold you, change you .. by just letting you live.

P-Angel: Sounds like your brother is needing to learn self-control ...

I think that's why he used to follow me around. Virgo has a strong core - a sense of self - that he was lacking.

Sounds like your brother is being healed by this Pisces woman ...

I think that as well. She's so in touch with her emotions, and with his needs. The Earth Women he's been attracted to in the past were only a partial solution, and I think that's why they failed for him.

Maybe it took him getting into his 40's to figure out what he needed in a woman -- shit! I know that was true for me... Not surprising that we're brothers, after all...

Angelina,

I've written this before: You're not like the Pisces Women I've met in the real world. You're rational. That's not a compliment to you, or an insult to them...

Like most Virgos I know, I pride myself on my use of rhetoric.

While helping her move, I got a chance to really talk to my brother's woman, and I was struck by how symbolic her language can be - much more there than mere words. Sort of like a living version of The Da Vinci Code. I think that's at the root of Pisces & Virgo attraction - y'all intrigue us, because we sense the possibilities.

But, we don't trust y'all, either, because y'all don't speak the same language...

Anyway, it's spring, and I sense an unfolding for my brother, and that makes me happy. Incidentally, since I assisted this romance over my Scorpio Wife's opposition, I feel the joy that Virgo finds in vindication - "I told you so!" is one of our favorite flavors...

Posted by No1delete2

Talked to my VirDad yesterday: My Brother is ring shopping...

Ah well! At least he held out for most of the Summer....

Wow ....so much for him taking your advice in taking it slow. lol He really listens to you Dy....lol Wow ...hope the fish girl knows what she is doing ....your brother being married five times would put up HUGE RED FLAGS for me.

I do understand the chemistry of the fish and scorpio ......keep reporting and let us know how it works out.

PD

How considerate of your wife.



I'm hoping that the two of them have a nice experience together, and are left with fond memories ...

Posted by DyTryin


My only criticism at this point is that he doesn't confide in me -- I have to find out things second-hand.

Makes me sad, actually...

Most likely he is scard because he knows that you will tell your wife, because she's the one you truth, so therefore, she's the one you will talk to about it ..

.. and she doesn't like him.


What do you expect?


If at one time he talked to you and trusted in you and now he doesn't, then it's likely because he knows that your opinion of him is slanted by means of being influenced against him.

I would suggest that you attempt to re-build trust with your brother, without involvement of anyone else's opinion to muddle your judgements.


If you are proud of him, then I suggest you trying to deepen your relationship with him built around this ..... rather than taking pride in the fact that you now intimidate him because you're encouraged to critisize him.



I'm unclear why you do take pride in that actually. You aren't better than him, Wayne, no matter how many fuck ups he's done in his life. There are no levels .. only differences. Your post leaves a tone to suggest that you find it amusing that he might fear you.


and that is a very unfortunate situation between two brothers who are suppose to find joy in loving each other .. not joy in intimidation.

I'm sure the reason why he didn't confide in you or your father is because he knows that you two will judge him.


You know .. just because he has had previous wives, this does not mean that his woman now is not his life partner. These people may be soul mates.

But, if he tells you these things, you will scoff at him, and he knows it .. you will bring up his other wives for means to prove to him that he's full of shit, because you make it quite clear that you'd rather focus on his failings, rather than any potential accomplishments ....... and he knows this.

He knows you would rather find reason for him to fail, rather than succeed .. so he no longer wants to confide in you because you don't have his back anylonger.



As proof of this ... look just in the update you made on 2/12 ... you presented to us the update, and then voiced Debs' opinion on the matter, rather than your own.




Even brothers who are habitual mistakers, still need their brothers to believe in them .. why don't you try it, you might actually feel good about letting him have someone to talk to.

Sometimes it takes several tries to find the right combination. Methinks I really like your brother, Dy. Misunderstood indeed - he's just looking for love like most people are. His several marriages isn't the red flag to me that it seems to be with some people. Most people have had 3 to 5 intense or serious relationship by the time they're 40, if they didn't luck out early on or just stick it out when they'd have been better off throwing in the towel. With your brother, he actually MARRIED most of these women. That's not a fault.. he was trying to do it right.. have a happy marriage, and home, maybe kids... just looking for love. Marriage is clearly important to him - which is a good thing. He's not been "playing the field" indefinitely, leaving a long string of broken hearts because he wasn't willing to fully commit to the women he loved. Would the ones who raise an eyebrow at his number of marriages rather he'd been in four (plus) serious relationships which ended when he refused to capitulate and wed them? No, then he'd be a cad, and a womanizer. I'm glad he's found this lovely Pisces gal -- she might be just what he's needed all along, and everything else was just learning and preparation for his life with her. How wonderful!

(Incidentally, Dy... my Virgo soulmate is also named Wayne. That makes me smile. He's not 49, Southern, or married to a Scorpio, much less the father of Twins.. so it's not YOU, snookums LOL) But still -- it tickles me greatly, because I see little flashes of him in your posts!

Is your middle name William? I'll fall out of my chair, I swear.

Ahhh, the Rose Colored Glasses. We've all put them on from time to time, but I'll be the first to admit that the Waters tend to do it more than their fair share. Then we wake up one day and go, "Who in the HELL is this person I'm spending my life with? I don't even KNOW them! How did this happen?!" And I'm sure that plenty of other Signs (more practical, logical.. less emotional, illogical) like Virgos (or most Earths, and a lot of Airs really LOL) look at that and go, "But.. WHY do you let yourself get so carried away by your FEELINGS and your EMOTIONS that you end up completely screwing yourself over?! Do you LIKE pain or something?! You must be a masochist!" Me personally, I don't see it as a fault (merely a difference)... I believe it was P-Angel who said the profound tidbit... Pisces EXPERIENCE their lives, rather than LIVING them. It's a subtle but important distinction.

And with Scorpios being Fixed, and Pisces being Mutable... the slipping of the Rose Colored Glasses would have painful yet different effects. In fact, a Scorp is so Fixed, he might say, "I didn't change. THEY changed. I was not wrong about them until THEY changed, damnit!" (and be hurt/angry.. mostly angry! And sometimes vengeful!) Whereas a Pisces might say, "Que sera sera... I/they/we changed... it was not what I thought it was, or I/they/we changed. Very well then... onward to the next experience. After I lick my wounds, of course." (In secret - never let them see you burn!)

My life and my relationships have taken me to Hell and back, and I do not regret a thing. Each situation, happenstance, EXPERIENCE taught me something, each one gave me the tools I needed for the next experience to come. Each has shaped and molded and changed me into what I am.. and is still shaping me for what I'll be in the future. You practical, logical signs might think us emotional ones are insane with the way it sometimes takes so long for us to GET IT RIGHT... but trust me, we EXPERIENCED our lives along the way, and few of us regret it. And when we finally DO "get it right"... well, it's just that much sweeter, compared to all the times we DIDN'T "get it right" LOL