Vengeance

I love the word "vengeance". It stirs up some powerful images of women getting even with foolish men or connivng women. It brings out the truly creative and inspiring thoughts that are needed for the act of vengeance. It gives one a chance to let the evil in one's mind out and about to wreck havoc on a poor victim that made you feel victimized. So, anyone got any philosophical ideas about "vengeance" that are similar or contrary to mine?

My philosophy on vengeance is similar to yours, but I've always wondered, is there a difference between revenge and vengeance? The two words sound so similar, I always get them mixed up. Also, I always think of vengeance in terms of justice, but I don't know if I'm right to think of it that way, because I don't fully understand what is means to take vengeance on someone.

I see vengeance and revenge as the same thing...at least until someone points out a difference. As for justice, I think that vengeance it your version of justice- totally subjective to the way you feel at the moment as opposed to the objectiveness of real justice. An eye for an eye seems to me more of a personal justice- vengeance- than real justice.

I webster's dictionary, revenge has the same meaning as vengence. I always liked vengence better though, cause it sounds more passionate, but maybe that's just me. Any way, when I think of vengence, I think of an eye for an eye, and then I think of my brother telling me I'm too violent. But what am I supposed to do? Just forgive and forget? That's not very satisfying.

Morgan... when I read your posts, I always see a wild banshee screaming for blood in the moonlight while helpless children are frightened in their beds...

Morgan... when I read your posts, I always see a wild banshee screaming for blood in the moonlight while helpless children are frightened in their beds...

Either that or a spurned lover..


*fear of vengeance in my eyes*

Gwen, I think of myself more as a Bochanal, not a banshee.

Bochanal... that's just because you like to party, drink heavily, carouse with mutiple people, dance naked in the woods, and occasionally drink blood. You are nothing but an imitation of the real thing. Where's your shrine to dionysis—

hehehe =P

Silly Gwen, you should know that Bochanals never worshiped in shrines! Because Dionysis was a god of the Earth, they worshiped where they could be closest to their god, which would be in the forest. A Bochanal would never set foot in a man made shrine.

hmmm... good point.. I'll concede this one.

Opinions on vengance you say...

Hmmm...well when I thin kof vengance I think of...

Poor self control, childish, hate, negative energy, poor understanding, selfishness...I could go on and on.

Basically my opinion on vengance is that it helps you absolutley nothing at all unless your goals in life are associated to and in light of regression...!!!

Oh, but it doesn't help if you bottle up all your emotions and slowly kill your spirit by holding it all in.

What's fair is fair. Justice comes at a price, but it's worth it.

I think vengeance does help... like morgan said... and the fact that sometimes people do get away with things without learning a lesson from them... someone has to teach that lesson, if
it's not the law or family or society in general, then who is going to take the initiative to teach? If you've been lied to, and the person hurt you and is without shame for what they have
done, it is only natural to want to make that perosn understand they hurt you. Vengeance is one of the tools that we have to do so.

O.k so why don't you just tell them that you don't like what they did and they have hurt you...?

Why do you want to hurt them back...are you not inheriting their colours and being just like them as a result...?

Two wrongs don't make a right and involving yourself in the the reciprication of hurt makes you a hurt person not a healed one...?

I do agree with you Morgan...justice does have a price...it's just a pity you are the one that has to pay that price when vengance is your means of justice...!!!

FORGIVE...!!!!

Lol, but durrie, it's so HARD!!!
Oh well...

Great movie about vengeance/revenge: The Count of Monte Cristo. Go rent the most modern version, the one that came out last year or whenever it was. To me, it shows perfect vengeance that is deserved and executed brilliantly.

Durrie...I see your point but there are people out there that hurt others and even when they are told about the pain they cause, they do not believe it/see it/care about it... they have nothing to reference it to in their own lives. DOes that make any sense.

Count of Monte Cristo.... morgan and I tried to see it but it was out of the theatres by then... I read the book and it was fabulous!!! I cannot believe that they were able to fit all the plot into the film without it being 20 hours... I'm worried about what they cut out.

On second thought, you know what? I'm a very forgiving person.

ofcourse you are ^^

There have been many opportunities in my life for me to exert revenge on someone, but I chose not to. Does that, in and of itself, make me a bigger person? I don't think so. I think we have to judge people (if we are to judge them at all) by the whole of their lives, rather than on specific choices they made at specific times. What I mean is, if you've lived *mostly* a "good" life, and not been *mostly* an ass hole, then I think that person is in good standing.

^^that post made absolutely no sense, sorry.

why things come and go, now one may truly know

Actually vengeance not necessary means bloodly vengeance or lay on the innoncent victims( That's so-called stupid vengeance!). Yupe, it's actually an eye for an eye but more than that. To me, vengeance is somewhat a fair treat to get your own pride back. Just like you see, sometimes laws not always playing fair, life too. Some people let go of their ass after doing something very unforgivable without being punish while others bear the harm! It's human nature to feel unforgivable for something went beyond your pride such as betrayal. I never believe any single human being will be able to forgive something very unforgivable.Like you live with one cunning friend, you forgive her/him and let her/him shadow haunt you all your life? No way...
Vengeance sometimes make someone feel like herself/himself again, otherwise you won't forgive your ownself your entire life.
This is what i use to think of 'vengeance'.

That was a very good encapsulation of the differences to me. No one had ever defined both terms to me (that I remember, growing up) but I'd always associated "revenge" with "I'm getting even, despite knowing it's wrong" (for some reason.. that I'm aware). And "vengence" to be "I'm righting a wrong, and (somehow) I feel it's right." It wasn't until you added the sense of regaining one's self.. that it gelled for me. Nice call.