Cancers have you ever noticed how people give

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easily into collective bullying and hatred?I've just seen some videos of a man who stopped making youtube videos because youtubers criticized his speech.It turns out that this man is disabled well..it's obvious the shape of his face etc.But still I think he had the courage to make videos of himself yet youtubers just kept on insulting him and making fun of him.I feel like nowadays people have grown so much into being so """"""blunt and direct"""" forgetting the simple social ethiquettes of tact and diplomacy , that it became a general trend to be straight up rude and a dick !
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Posted by aurora
They are all tough on the internet —blunt and direct??, irl they are all little shy kittens. Nobody should pay too much attention on comments on the internet, especially on youtube. If it's your channel just delete the morons. I'm sorry about the guy.
People were always like that. Now they can express is without consequences. Nobody will punch them for being stupid and without any manners.



Yup certainly the anonimity of the internet make them really courageous !It's not my channel (I'm a girl btw) but somehow it touched me , I guess I don't have much experience since I'm young but I don't remember when we've ever made this much fun of a handicapped person.I hope these people will never have a handicapped kid...
I'm already sewing my costume to give a correction these morons , it's a crab costume orange with big claws to punch their faces (jk)
Wish a good day to you all !
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What about the lady on the school bus the junior high kids were so mean to? I don't think any of them would have been like that in a one on one situation with her. But as a group, it was awful. Its the mob mentality. Easier to get along than do the right thing. They're afraid to stand up to the bullies. My daddy (aries) always told me just to hit a bully with a stick and momma (sag) said don't let them know it bothers you and kill 'em with kindness (makes them look stupid). Two different lessons, but the same message - don't bow down to them.

So many people are afraid to step outside of the "group" and think for themselves. So sad...smh.
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I see it on DXP all the time. Someone posts a question on say the relationships board and the same question on another board.

If the first person who responds on the relationship board is mean/sarcastic/rude, then a lot of other posters will be too. If one defends the OP, the others will start attacking that poster.

On the other board, if the first responder is nice, kind and sweet, then the rest will be also.

Hmmmm.....
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Posted by truecap
I see it on DXP all the time. Someone posts a question on say the relationships board and the same question on another board.

If the first person who responds on the relationship board is mean/sarcastic/rude, then a lot of other posters will be too. If one defends the OP, the others will start attacking that poster.

On the other board, if the first responder is nice, kind and sweet, then the rest will be also.

Hmmmm.....




Yes I have noticed this also .And yes,it is a common human behaviour and gets really dangoureous once it is collective. An extreme example of this is the hatred of nazis towards jews (AND homosexual,disabled and mentally ill people) and all the unbelievable horrors they have done to them.
Such behaviour should not be tolerated on the internet particularly because it can have very negative effect on forums,facebook or simply platforms such as youtube where free speech and expression is given to people to allow exchange of ideas and opinions without disciminating or disrespecting others.You can usually report one person when they have gone over the limits but what can you do when it's 1000000 people? well...

Thank you for your contribution =)
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Posted by aurora
mamamia: when I said you, I meant people, like that handicapped guy. I've never posted anything on youtube but I think as an "owner" of the clip, you can delete inappropriate comments. But he was probably just sick of everything and just deleted it. I also think that most of them are teenagers.

There is an awesome movie about bulling, it is a German movie "Das Experiment" (I think there is a US remake) and it makes you think about human nature, or everything starts to make sense. The inspiration was true story about social experiment performed on Stanford University in 1971. The group of scientist gave an add in newspaper and offered some money to participate in 2 week experiment. They've chosen THE MOST STABLE and HEALTHY people. By random they divided them in prisoners (victims) and guards (bullies). I'll just say that the experiment was stooped after 6 days. It took only 6 days to completely fall in a given role. On youtube you can find there are clips from the real experiment - it was all documented. But not all are public I think.
I was under impression for days, and I don't consider myself as a naive and inexperienced person. Quite the opposite.

So I don't want to scare you because you are young, but it's good to know every side of human nature.

trucap: You are talking about herd psychology. One sheep goes somewhere and everybody follows her lol. I remember when I was on one seminar about stock markets, exactly that behavior in some way determine the "value" of something. It's not the real value, there are no real decisions so this is one of the reasons for creation stock market bubbles. People value something that has no real values, and than, at some point economy has to crash.




I looked it up on the internet and I get you when you say that you're still under impression :I don't feel like watching it even though I like german movies on experimental psychology .The experiment was crual and not ethical at all since some people kept severe psychological wounds from it but it tells something about how a higher position can affect human behavior.
However, I haven't seen the movie so I don't see the link between the guy that got insulted on the internet and the prisonners in the experiment since there is technically no hierarchy between youtubers.

My intent was not just to judge these people and say "oh look they are evil" , I want to
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Posted by Syzygyx
Posted by mamamia
I want to understand why this ty? pf behavior is generally accepted and adopted by the masses.



I agree with everyone's comments.

There are so many contributing factors that it is impossible to go into every detail. A few thoughts about the particular case that you cited (the disabled man). Anyone who is obviously different will always attract attention. In his case, he was an easy target. People don't put their real name or picture on youtube and feel that it is safe to say horrible things without any repercussions. You look at nature: an injured insect, attracts hundreds of ants. An injured animal, attracts the scavengers. It is the same thing: people who share the same mentality will always group together for their own agenda.

In a modern society, you are judged almost exclusively upon appearances, be it yourself, car, home, job or even your cell phone. You must always upgrade these appliances and devices. Over time it has led to the idea that you must upgrade your partner. We are conditioned to treat people the way we treat machines. The only people that are worthy of notice are the ones who are sleazy and have a good plastic surgeon. These are the type of people that the bullies admire and desire.

This disable man represents what repulses the bullies. They probably felt: How dare someone like him try to step out of the shadows?


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well said and i agree with the very deep thoughtful comments. it's wonderful to be 'aware' of these things.
it's because many people want to "belong" and if they don't belong, they feel lost. If group mentality helps them feel part of the group they feel "safe"...but is it really safe? In their world, they feel that if they are protected by...even the worst groups (Nazi for instances) they feel part of the clan. Even if the clan (ie, KKK) is the most heinous.
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Posted by Syzygyx
There are so many contributing factors that it is impossible to go into every detail. A few thoughts about the particular case that you cited (the disabled man). Anyone who is obviously different will always attract attention. In his case, he was an easy target. People don't put their real name or picture on youtube and feel that it is safe to say horrible things without any repercussions. You look at nature: an injured insect, attracts hundreds of ants. An injured animal, attracts the scavengers. It is the same thing: people who share the same mentality will always group together for their own agenda.

In a modern society, you are judged almost exclusively upon appearances, be it yourself, car, home, job or even your cell phone. You must always upgrade these appliances and devices. Over time it has led to the idea that you must upgrade your partner. We are conditioned to treat people the way we treat machines. The only people that are worthy of notice are the ones who are sleazy and have a good plastic surgeon. These are the type of people that the bullies admire and desire.

This disable man represents what repulses the bullies. They probably felt: How dare someone like him try to step out of the shadows?



At the risk of sounding biased, I must say that only a Cancer could have put it so nicely. Very well said Syzygyx, thank you!
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from my exp, in those groups, which are the most "popular", they tend to be cruel to other groups: Make fun of those who are nerds, have families from lower class neighborhoods, or lower income, or families that are not well known, ect. It's easy to meld with them, but there's a deep consciousness that tells you, this is not right. Infact it IS downright cruel. if the roles were reversed and if someone were to be reborn again or in this lifetime have the experience done to them, then they would know deep serious pain and agony to be looked down upon by society as a whole. They don't realize the impact of their actions, by hurting other people, no matter the level of education, family background, income level, ect.
But that's NOT to say that those who have reached a better level of life are that way either. It's just in group mentalities. We are all guilty of it in some small way, and the only near perfect person(s) in this world are Mother Theresa and Princess Diana types.

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I see it on DXP all the time. Someone posts a question on say the relationships board and the same question on another board.

If the first person who responds on the relationship board is mean/sarcastic/rude, then a lot of other posters will be too. If one defends the OP, the others will start attacking that poster.

On the other board, if the first responder is nice, kind and sweet, then the rest will be also.

Hmmmm.....



You're really smart and observant. Maybe they just don't really realize it you know? Their feelings move them. (maybe the feelings come from a deep sense of anger or maybe a deep sense of 'righteousness'?)
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there was a dr.phil show on youtube (several of them) and one with a child slapping his mother.

the comments on there were really horrible, for instance, someone already deleted the comments but they were saying how they would do terrible things to the child, because the child slapped his mother.

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well...the kid has some anger management to work on but I think we all agree that a kid should never ever speak like that to a parent or even slap them.I'm pretty sure this kid would never have done that to his father , maybe his mother tried to control his angry behavior but failed at presenting the same authority as a paternal figure would .

Also, to be fair parents should not hit their children but sometimes kids just cross the line and I don't want to be judgmental but look at how fat the kid is at his age, the language he uses with his mother and also how emotional he is , his voice trembles a lot.He is not disciplined at all and her mother was maybe too easy on him.My father was really strict with me and not hesitating to slap me when I crossed the line (rude to strangers, rude with teachers) but I never thought it was out of the pleasure to hit a kid because now I'm a grown up and they educated me pretty well (In my opinion lol).There's a book that says that after 6 years old , education is pretty much over.Well idk.

I wish you all happy holidays =D and try to have a nice christmas eve without being too haunted by these horrible things.We have next year for that (jk)