MICHELLE OBAMA REPRESENTING CAPRICORNS WELL

First Lady Michelle Obama made headlines today when she hugged Queen Elizabeth II. She represents CAPRICORNS gracefully!

Isn't touching the Queen forbidden unless she extends her hand first in acceptance of the particular greeting?
Or are you saying Michelle f***** up?

First Lady Michelle Obama DID NOT break protocal and this is NOT about them acting Above rules. The Queen touched her first by patting her back and Michelle responded by hugging the Queen. Who Would be STUPID enough to Act unphased by such a gesture even if the person is royalty? is she not a human being after all? I recently had an encounter with someone famous and people had been playing this person up to be Rude and Snobbish. I was utterly surprised when it was the person who made the gesture towards me FIRST. I was hesitant to ac tupon it and it showed. The person smiled and said "Don't believe everything you hear about celebrities" half of it isn't true at ALL. Possibly embarassed by the fact I was reluctant the next thing happened showed me the person was indeed human as I was and that people had put them on a pedastel. The celebrity dropped their drink in my lap. I laughed and they apologized. My reason for telling this is that people should realize that these are human being and not idols or Gods to be worshipped. And for those who hating on the First lady should really get over themselves. They are only making fools of themselves because she is graceful and dignified and what they say and do prob doesn't phase her in the least.

The Queen is a HUMAN Being. She is not GOD. NOONE and I Mean NOONE can achieve that staus so therefore she is a person with normal reactions like me and you at the end of the day. When I mentioned hating I am speaking about the recent backlash and commentary not this board, sorry I guess I should have mentioned some. The most recent is the comments that were made about her by one political pundit stating that she is trash.

Being the head of the Church of england is just like the head of a denomination. If thaty is the case then I guess the Dali Lama is closer to God than me and you. Not even, Wer are ALL equal in God's sight and there isn't one human being on this earth who is bigger than you and I as nomral everyday people. if that be the case then God would have left specific mandate for Queen Elizabeth in the Bible. I have yet to read that in any version of the Bible. As for First Lady Obama, Ann Coulter trashed her and now this other chick by saying some pretty nasty things about her. But then let us consider the source. they are lunatucs looking for theit 15minutes of shame.

Sorry for the typos, this board needs an edit feature.

Cappygolightly you are very much Into the British Monarch and it shows by your breadth of information about it. needless to say, I'm not arguing the point or refuting it. I Stll say she's jus a Human being and no closer to God than you and I. When a mortal becomes so removed from our Society that he/she is above gestures such as a Hug then it's possible they will be called The Messiah or The Anti-Christ. NO MAN is above the Supreme being I don't care who labeled themselves as so. Let me ask you a question and correwct me if I am wrong, but Does the Queen still have rule or is she recognized? I remember watching a program on A % E which said that she is the head of state of the UL and 15 commonwealth realms. At the end of the program the commentator explained "The Queen is Head of State in the United Kingdom. As a constitutional monarch, Her Majesty does not 'rule' the country, but fulfils important ceremonial and formal roles with respect to Government. She is also Fount of Justice, Head of the Armed Forces and has important relationships with the established Churches of England and Scotland. Read more about The Queen's State roles in the UK and Crown dependencies in this section."

So technically, the British Sovereign no longer has a political or executive role, he or she continues to play an important part in the life of the nation only. Am I right?

Again, sorry for my typos, UK not UL. I type very fast and always forget this does not have a spell checker and I hit post rather quickly.

I am aware of the CBS piece however She reached out to The First lady and not the other way around. So if the Queen touches you first are you not to touch her back? A Bunch of Hogwash if you ask me but then I don't live there so it probably is important to the people who do. I just found my answer that she is not in power but recognized as head of state and carries ceremonmial duties. Capprygolightly, I have always been fascinated by the royal family to be exact. I think it is my love of hats and wearing them that attracts me to them ,lol. And Princess Diana was indeed the people's Princess IMO. One day I will visit to get a glimpse of Buckingham Palace. Surprisngly I haven't and I have several friends and some family in the UK.

I'm not comparing her to Joe Blow, I'm simply making the point that She's a normal human being. She has no Magical power neither does she carry a wand. Given she is roylaty that still does not make her any closer to God than you and I. I guess peoiple outside of the UK don't view her as strongly as being more than what she is. I respect that fact that you are in the UK and her role/status is as important to you as The President of the United States is to Americans. I'm sure I am not the only person to hold the viewpoint that she is just a human being, but from my perspective NO MAN/WOMAN will ever achieve the same Status and level as God himself the Creator of the Universe. And I don't care who Names themselve as head of ANY church. I refuse to view a person on the same level with God or even idolize them as though they are more than the human being that they are.

Cappygolightly, Oh I thought all people in the UK took this seriously because whenever I have had the chance to speak on the subject with someone from the UK they always get upset and say Oh you Americans don't understand Squat. I go like HUH? Anyways, You got to sign the book for Princess DI? How cool. So during that time people were somber? you said it was weird and men were going to work in black ties. So do you think her death caused the UK to mourn in a way that wasn't common?

If Obama was our prime minister, he would be very well recieved here. His politics mirrors alot what Canadians believe in. However I can see why his policies are being received less favorably in the states. His policies are threatening America's status quo. Great leaders always change the world they do not change for the world.

Time will only tell if Obama will be the hero of the economic crises.

Inregards to Mrs. Obama, she represents the Capricorn women well. If I saw the queen I would give her a hug. Titles be damn, I hug.

IMO it's about tradition and respect. Being in the public eye she should have known "the rules".

I'm not the Queen of anything but a touch or a hug is not welcome. I find it rude for someone to invade my personal space. For someone as "stiff" as the Queen I'm sure it was most uncomfortable and her reaching out was more then likely not an invite to hug.
Ironic though how the Obama's are trying to reach out to the rest of the world and gain respect for America but didn't take the time to learn about basic customs in other cultures. Hmmmmm......

Ginger you must be joking to think that the White House didn't brief them and it's even more of a put down to think otherwise because these are BOTH educated people. It's funny that noone spoke so harshly about all the gaffs made about Bush but because it's OBAMA suddenly they get scrutinized for everything. So many hatas, laughs!
Eric I agree with you she represents WELL! And I would have hugged the Queen too, protocal or not. it would only be a DUMMY to stand there when the Queen is the one who made the initial gesture. A lot of these people who talking all this B.S. would have tripped themselves even. they babbling about tradition this and custim that when I wonder if they even know what it means. For instance, when the journalist threw the shoe at Bush, there were some people who had no clue that was offensive. They expressed on national television they did not know what it meant. So much for knowing traditions and customs.

I'm not saying they are uneducated. Don't get all emotional and start reading into things. Geez
Futhermore if they were told the rules and didn't follow them that it THAT much more disrespectful. Who are they to not follow the rules?
I think that the whole not touching royalty rule is true for most cultures and sometime punishible by death. Obviously that is a little over the top but still a respect/tradition thing. I don't understand why someone would think that after years of this it not be applied to them. Very arrogant if you ask me.
Yes Cappy I agree. Bush was dogged on a regular basis. It comes with being in the public eye. I'm not sure why anyone would think the Obamas are above this.
I guess I didn't know about the UK and the personal space thing. It's not a must here but I'm a standoffish person anyway.... so maybe it's just me. Or it could be that cowboy mantality we tend to have here. Who knows. I think Americans are WAY too touchy feely/emo types. Going on TV and crying and getting your feeling out in the open on Dr. Phil. I get really embarrassed for those people. Who would do that? Ick.

First of all I am not emotional. You see it is funny how people of other races are so quick to Myopically view the Black WOMAN/Man as being overly emotional or angered quickly. I approached this from an objective viewpoint. RACE enteted when you my friend alluded to it. Secondly I can COMPREHEND quite well. And I think Ginger answered that she is a standoffish person so that is another angle to see it. Someone who is Not standoffish wouldn't be squamish about personal space to that degree. The fact of the matter that I am an African woman as the First Lady really has no iota of bearing on this. It seems to me that a lot of people are quick to make derogatory statements that don't even hold water . I still stand by my own opinion of which I am entitled to that she didn't do anything wrong since the Queen is the one who touched her. Also I still stand by my point that NO man or WOMAN is on the same status level as GOd no matter their tradition/custom or rules. If you think so then may God Help us All and I'm not being psuedo-religious or anti-religous. Some people with such antiquated beliefs about things really cause more harm than they really know by saying things that just don't apply. Shaks, my advice to you is next time don't assume that a racial connotation or stigmatization that you so easily attach is the problem making an educated African woman not comprehend, that in it self is an Insult. it's almost like me concluding that you a 25 yr old Nederland or where you reside from is incompetent strictly on the basis on your ethnicity and therefore wouldn't comprehend something from let's say myself. Ginger, each person has their own reserves and you expressed that yours is emotiona expression and personal space. Sure we see this daily as we see those on Dr. Phill like you who simply can't bear to show emption in public as if they are devoid of human emotion and we all know that is far from the truth. Be it as it may you are entitled to feel that way and noone can take that away from you.

Excuse the typos, I declare this board needs an edit and spell check feature otherwise it may leave a person looking as if they can't spell or type.

Shaks or whatever you call yourself either you didn't read my post right or you simply are drawing conclusions on your own. Could be that you are guilty of doing what you accuse me of saying which I never said. I suggest you go back and re-read for yourself. But better than that, it's really nothing debatable so all this tomfoolery you are posting strikes me rather garrulously. If you are looking to have a race dicussion then I welcome it but don't use my words as a platform as some causatory means to loquaciously belabor your own idyosyncrasies.

Posted by noirecapricornprincess
The Queen is a HUMAN Being. She is not GOD. NOONE and I Mean NOONE can achieve that staus so therefore she is a person with normal reactions like me and you at the end of the day. When I mentioned hating I am speaking about the recent backlash and commentary not this board, sorry I guess I should have mentioned some. The most recent is the comments that were made about her by one political pundit stating that she is trash.

I do believe I clarified my point here.

"It's very important to respect the culture of the country you are in."

Okay yes to a degree but locals should not have the same expectations as they do with their own people to be able to accept and follow the customs of the land. It is considered thoughtful if a foreinger attempts to follow the "rules", but gaffs are bound to happen and locals should expect this. Really, if you grow up in a different country and travel abroad it isn't as easy as you think to do everything right.

However in the end, the attempt should be made for diplomatic reasons.

What a second! What in hell was the Queen doing touching Mrs. Obama back? By touching Mrs. Obama's back, Mrs. Obama was technically touching the Queen's hand. So in reality it was the Queen who made the fuax pas! There you go people, there you go.

Cappygolightly, I don't think the Queen was bothered by it as much as some Brits were about the whole thing. I think if it had been a true Faux Pas. The Monarch would have asked for a public apology from M Obama.

Posted by CapGal
Much ado about nothing. Noirecap, I so agree with you; the queen is a normal person who was humanely drawn to Michelle Obama. Put yourself in Michelle's shoe for a while....think like a human .......how would you react to an elderly woman's embrace? Isnt it natural that you'd reciprocate, regardless of protocol or culture? Come on folkes, the queen did not choose her position, neither did she make the rules, some of which I'm sure she abhors. So if she chooses to put all these aside and think and act like the human being she is for a while, and the gesture is returned, then please, let her/let them both have her moments

Well said.

Posted by eric11
Cappygolightly, I don't think the Queen was bothered by it as much as some Brits were about the whole thing. I think if it had been a true Faux Pas. The Monarch would have asked for a public apology from M Obama.

You said it right, it was "Other" people who seemed scathed by it. Which is why I couldn't understand the 25yr old trying to make a point for race in such a discussion that really wasn't leading to that in the first place.

Posted by CapGal
Much ado about nothing. Noirecap, I so agree with you; the queen is a normal person who was humanely drawn to Michelle Obama. Put yourself in Michelle's shoe for a while....think like a human .......how would you react to an elderly woman's embrace? Isnt it natural that you'd reciprocate, regardless of protocol or culture? Come on folkes, the queen did not choose her position, neither did she make the rules, some of which I'm sure she abhors. So if she chooses to put all these aside and think and act like the human being she is for a while, and the gesture is returned, then please, let her/let them both have her moments

Thank you for your sense of reasoning which is objective and speaks to the perspective I was simply trying to illustrate that somehow was misconstrued or misinterpreted by an overly bombastic young commentator. I don't know how or why people loose the human element and dynamic when it comes to people, issues, etc. The Queen did no more than to show she is a human with feelings. In fact, I do believe that she reached out to the First Lady to make her feel comfortable. To go a step further the Queen held tea for them Only which says a lot about her social graces and accomodating of persons visiting to make them acquaint of her traditions and culture.

Well believe it or not then my main comment was totally railroaded because this was not about an error made or protocal breeched. I was simply stating how graceful the First Lady was and she happened to be a Capricorn who represents well. I think when Cappygolightly and I were discussing the role of the Queen and the Monarch people took that for a discussion about other opine issues.

Put yourself in Michelle's shoe for a while....think like a human .......how would you react to an elderly woman's embrace? Isnt it natural that you'd reciprocate, regardless of protocol or culture?

I agree. I am a human first so screw all the other BS 🙂 I don't see the big deal with all of that either. People can be so silly about nothing at times.

My goodness, its just a hug lol!!!

Oh, and just because I feel like stating this.

No one should "hate" on Michelle Obama, she's mad cool 😉 I'm a fan of her.

I also remember saying something really terrible about Sarah Palin (but it was funny 😆!!!) and I got jumped for it *rolls eyes* Yet, some of the same people who love Sarah, find some negative faults in Michelle Obama. hahaha, some of the same people have problems with Angelina Jolie (WTF!!! lol). I love her, but there are some people who seem to think she's the scum of the earth :/ Same with Ellen Degeneres , there are some people who don't like her, and I think Ellen is awesome. And dare I say, Oprah ... she's the coolest of the cool ... but people never miss an opportunity to "hate" on her too either lol.

I understand people have a right to their opinion but the same people that don't like Michelle Obama, seem to have a problem what a few other popular women in the world LOL! so I have to wonder.


So what the hell, cool people seem to get the most "hate", in my opinion. I guess it just comes with the territory.



yeah 😛


Just my 2 cents of course ^_^.

Cappysweetie I hold the same sentiments as you do, I said to myself sometimes people can take nothing and make it something by blowing things out of proportion. In reference to all those women you named, they are FABULOUS and there is an old saying that goes, "if noone is talking about you, then chances are you're dead". So in other words, if you're not being discussed then chances are you aren't doing something that catches the attention of others in such a way that it becomes noteworthy to even talk about.

Posted by Aqualeo
When I first heard this lady talk I did not see her as a Capricorn.

She has decided to make her own rules something most Cappies are afraid to do so she is a brave woman.

She speaks her mind and what comes out may be harsh but it is sensible so intelligent

Also she takes risks and what she does is who she is and she makes no excuses for this.

To me this is authenticity at its prime and I think this is one quality that Cappies should never get rid
(which in my experience is the opposite) of no matter the institution because I think it is their trademark.

So noirecapricornprincess I definitely agree Michelle Obama has definitely represented Capricorns well.

Thats EXACTLY what I like abot her 😄 Like her husband, President Obama, she says what she feels and its not meant to offend anyone (unlike MANY other people who seem to make a career out of offending people LOL!!! its so true 😉).


She's just cool, simply cool. Plus, I LOVE her style . She wear this black dress that was just killer. I would love to look that stunning like that -- hehehe, I'm working on it 😄


Plus, I think she cares more about just being herself than anything else, and thats sooooo rare, especially right now.


Yep, I'm a fan and screw anybody who doesn't like it LOL!!! *Moons anyone who doesn't like it*

hahaha

Cappysweetie I hold the same sentiments as you do, I said to myself sometimes people can take nothing and make it something by blowing things out of proportion.


Yeah, I mean ... whatever you know lol. In all honesty, if I ever meet the Queen, I will ask her to give me a high-five 😄


HAHAHAHA!!! I just want to see if she'd do it lol. Then I'll do the whole 'up-high', 'down-low' ... 'tooo slow' kind of thing.

hmmm, I wonder if thats disrespectful? Whatever, if they don't verbally tell me, then I don't know right? 😉


It does not matter what Michelle does or don't do its always going to be a problem or something will be said to cause a problem..For instance her sleeveless dress top thing..What the hell...That has nothing to do with anything of importance as far as I am concerned. So see...

See, now that really burns my butt. Why? Why? Why? Making an issue out of everything is not going to change a thing. She's still the First Lady, so ...


I must admit, I've noticed the little 'nit-picky' bull-shit about the Obamas period. Everything they say and do is constantly under watch for the slightest flaw. I mean come on, really. How old are we? Children seem to have more brain cells than adults right now ... which concerns me ...

I work in a place that filled with people who are experts on 'nit-picky bullshit', so thats why I can spot it a mile away lol.


Its just terrible, but hey people are going to have their opinions so whatever, I will always have mine.


media simply did what they do best. The only control people, especially public figures, have over the press is to control their own actions. In this instance, the Obamas did nothing unethical, legally or morally wrong. Michelle simply returned a hug. In what way is that "not great PR"?

CapGirl, I'm sooooo serious. If I were to ever meet the Queen, I'd ask her to give me a high-five LOL!!! I want to see if she'd do it 😆!

*sigh* Cappygolightly we are "nitpicking" *rolls eyes*.
I know what your saying that it was not great PR no matter how "silly" people think it is to expect someone to uphold a tradition that has been around for hundreds of years but people aren't getting what you are saying. I get it 😉

As much as it pains me to say it. Cappy and Ginger are technically right, although ethically challenged. Oh well. I just think it's such a stupid tradition marked with a dumb obession for the Monarchy that this North American can't understand the PR value of the First lady hugging an old woman (who still think herself beyond human) versus the first lady helping the poor. Such pompus tripe.

However not all Brits are Queen tied. I hope one day you guys get your priorties straigten out.

I am done with this topic. 🙂

Peace yo! V

It's not great pr because she's in the papers for this a trivial matter rather than for her the serious stuff she would like to be in the paper for. The hug business was on the front page, the school visit was a paragraph somewhere in the less important section.


OOOOOOOOOO, I see, I see, I see. Well, that sucks 😢 hahahaha. That darn media lol. I'm so glad I'm not in the public eye, I couldn't take it.

Has anyone ever noticed how negative is usually frontpage news while positive, happy stuff is usually somewhere in the back or not present at all. Gosh, that gets on my nerves.

I want to always be a regular person, I don't want to be in the limelight, EVER! No way, not the life for me.


Oh and GingerScorp, I never EVER said that you were nitpicking. I was talking about the media dear, no users on DXP lol. I believe cappywench knew I wasn't referring to her (thank god). She knows my wording by now ... I hope ... lol

I've great respect for the Monarchy and its long-held traditions. I will admit, i like its pomp, beauty and elegance, etc. Hope it never dies, my country as part of her Commonwealth. But at the end of the day, most likely, it's the Queen's call on her own comfort by set of unique circumstance. A mutual, spontaneous hug at this space and time seemed no big deal in the greater scope of things, and if anything likely moved the Queen THAT much closer to her own people. Michelle Obama does have an open, sincere warmth about her and she seems to bring this quality out in others with ease. Actually, i think the most i've seen of any First Lady, so i'm not overly surprised and thought it was endearing. (i believe she does represent all the great qualities of a Cap.) All in all, i think it all went down pretty smoothly..

PERHAPS I CAN SWITCH TO ANOTHER SIGN

LOL @ James Tate and Prince


Look Prince, just because she isn't a blond bombshell doesn't mean you can totally dismiss the women. I'm not the most stunning creature myself (well, at least I don't think so), but I kinda know what to do to myself to make up for it 🙂

Plus, what you have to remember is that ALL of that facial and body beauty will fade but grace and style never ever dies 😉

I wouldn't say she is ugly. Prince maybe you have a narrow view of what is beautiful....

Yeah, I think that maybe his problem too. Just based on others things too, but hey he'll learn as he gets older. Beauty is NOT one-demensional. Too, I think people rely too much on their personal preferences to really understand the art of attraction, and the essence of beauty. I was like that when I was a bit younger than I am now. I've grown plenty sense then, thats for sure. I know many who have views like Prince, and I tell them the same thing. They have alot of living to do 😄 I still have alot to learn too, but I know not to rely on appearances.

I think she makes the most of what she has. She knows how to dress to make the most of her good points. Plus her confidence and personality shines through. I think the problem for her with comparisons is maybe that IMO hubby is exquisitely good looking. But then the limelight is supposed to be on him.

Exactly, Barack is HOT! lol, thats so cool to say that about the president of the United States of America 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 Its like someone like me going out with ... I don't know, Brad Pitt, so many would say, "How did she get him—?"

I personally think she's a very attractive woman. Also (I may get fire for this one) her appearance isn't false looking or fake, you know? She looks real, from her hair to her toes, she looks real. Soooo many women in the spotlight look like off-haneded Barbies, race surely doesn't matter, the ALL LOOK LIKE THIS (hahahahaha!!!!!) with fried hair, breast implants, hip implants, lip implants, botox in the ass to make it ... well ... more ass-like I guess -- you name it. They also look way too skinney for their body type OR way too big for their type. Its nice to see someone in a healthy and attractive form -- versces being stick-thin or just plain sloppy.

PP you crack me up. hahahaha 🙂

Posted by Gingerscorp
PP you crack me up. hahahaha 🙂

I just got a visual! Lol.

BTW why does everyone start or end a sentence with lol? Do you guys really laugh as much you claim that you do? Lol.

I have to remind myself constantly not to be so serious about everything. Laughter is something alot of people take for granted. When I find an excuse to laugh I do it. 🙂

man go on the road for a week and see what happens, doesn't matter if they are ugly with two ugs or good lookin I live in a polace that has gone down hill because of socialism, I find it hard to believe a real caprecorn could be a scoilist.

Posted by james tate
man go on the road for a week and see what happens, doesn't matter if they are ugly with two ugs or good lookin I live in a polace that has gone down hill because of socialism, I find it hard to believe a real caprecorn could be a scoilist.

Oh give it a rest james tate lol. Take that to the Crap Board ... I mean the Political Board

hahaha!

cappy sweetie what can I say its been down hill for quite some time if its the socialism then tell me what it is. I still rather talk dirty to you