Taurus Man Leo Lady...please help

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I met a Leo Lady just before Christmas and we got on like a house on fire (hang on, before I go any further I apologise for any terrible puns). We talked and texted for hours and hours. We stayed up Christmas Eve until 5 am talking, woke up on Christmas Day and talked for another few hours before spending time with our respective families (we're both divorced with adult children). Anyway later on Christmas Day I was invited over, where I stayed until Boxing Day.

We spent most of Christmas Day talking until (again) 5am the next day. We went to sleep together in each others arms and spent the next day together too...I was falling hard for this lady and I believe the feeling was mutual.

The inimacy got deeper and deeper until I spoke inappropriately and she took offence. I bought her flowers and sincerely apologised (words mean much to me) which she loved, and I thought I was believed if not forgiven.

However she very quickly distanced herself from me. I thought that given a little space and time she'd eventually forgive me, but after about a week of mixed signals she said she didn't want to see me anymore.

I think given the tone of the message that there was a lot of regret that outside influences (family stuff) didn't give her time to forgive and she said she 'wants to keep in touch and stay friends'.

I'm aware that some(?) Leo's like to collect 'admirers' and I have no desire to be one of her pride. I've also read elsewhere that Leo's don't want a wimpy partner. This in some ways is new territory for me after being in a very long term marriage and my normal approach would be to wail and whine (and probably beg if I'm honest), however I know this won't be a good approach for her or me, so I'm going NC for a while to figure out how to break down the walls the's raised.

I plan on getting back in touch in about six weeks from now but I also plan to make it clear WHY I'm back in touch. If things work out then great, and if she's not interested, then I can walk away knowing I gave it a shot.

I wouldn't be posting on here if I didn't think that this was the start of something really special, and having read other Leo/Taurus threads it's made me think that I wasn't just imagining things. I'm normally very good at reading people but that gift is lacking when it comes to women I'm interested in.

Soooo, can anyone please help me (I so want to ask you to help me tame my lioness lol) understand what makes her tick, and how it would be possible
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Montgomery
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Idk about 'collecting' admirers --

even if it were true, admirers

would do only that, and at a distance.

Dishonestly leading someone on is

entirely different, and not something

any self-respecting LEO would do.

My guess is whatever you said must

been a doozy-- and a game changer,

at that.

NC is your best bet... see if she

makes contact once she has a chance

to miss you... good luck.

🙂

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Can you enlighten us on the exact nature of your "inappropriate" comment? It might help us better judge her perspective.

Personally, I wouldn't advise you to go NC. She might take it as indifference or lack of interest or worse yet that you aren't being a good "friend".

To the contrary, I think the direct approach is best:
Tell her you're sorry for any upset your words may have caused, that you like and admire her greatly, and that you'd like to continue getting to know her.

Don't be mushy, but do be sincere. Her response will be key but I venture to say that it will be honest.
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I agree with Montgomery that Leos don't collect admirers, and thought I've jokingly referred to them as a Leo 'fan club' they're very different from the stereotypical Taurus 'harem'. Fan clubs tend to involve people who are kept at a distance; whatever their interests or desires are, it's not something we're directly involved with. The people in our inner circle are the ones we're involved with.

Also agree with SpiceNSugar, without knowing what the nature of your comment was it'd be hard to understand why she reacted the way she did.

Not gonna lie though, I'm sensing some similarities to the first attempt with my Bull. He charged at me unexpectedly and I was scared off, still trying to recover nearly 2 years later LOL
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Apologies for the 'collecting admirers' comment.

Regarding BULL rushing her, I'm aware of that side of me and I was VERY careful how I trod, (maybe only at the start though, who knows?).

Ok, the inappropriate comment was a misunderstanding.

I'd like to say at this point that sex was not on the radar, she wanted to take things steady and I thought I was respecting her wishes, but there was a sexual tension between us. We both want a long term relationship, not a fling (hook up, fwb kinda thing) which for us meant to wait, which I was cool with.

However there had been flirting and innuendo, and previous messages discussing massages. This particular evening we spent together I gave my Leo a pretty good neck massage. I really enjoyed it too but didn't push things further. The next day I sent a text suggesting that I thought that was just the start...I truthfully and sincerely ONLY meant massage, but she took it as I was meaning start, and said I was pressuring her for sex. I swore to her that was NOT my intent (I was horrified), and I apologised for giving that impression. I bought flowers to apologise then two days later turned up unannounced with the intention of cooking for her - big mistake.

I stayed attentive and consistent (she already said she doesn't like to be ignored, nor does she like it when people act 'cowed') but didn't push anywhere near as much as I would have normally.

The communication dried up a lot after that, but I was given the impression that she wanted to talk to me, then started to, then sort of realised that she was still angry with me then pulled right away. E.g., she texted me at midnight because she needed someone to talk to about her son's breakup, then she'd ignore me for the next day. She contacted me as soon as she got back from family court over a custody battle, which suggests to me I was important to her, but then she'd remember she was 'pissed' at me then go back to ignoring me. 😢

I think she's been hurt in the past and wants to get this one (the next one) right. The amount of talking between us, as well as the laughs and attraction suggest that we both believed we had found it (average of 50-60 text messages per day), and I screwed up, if there was a misunderstanding it IS my fault.

I'm not heartbroken, and I don't believe she is either (waaay too early for that), but my belief that there were the seeds of something special there mean that I want to give it another shot. I think NC for a few weeks
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Thanks untamed (btw, when I say 'tame' I don't mean change....I guess I want to make her purr....)


HERS

Sun Leo
Moon Virgo
Mercury Leo
Venus Cancer
Mars Aquarius
Jupiter Scorpio
Saturn Gemini
Uranus Libra
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Virgo
Lilith Libra

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MINE

Sun Taurus
Moon Libra
Mercury Gemini
Venus Taurus
Mars Gemini
Jupiter Leo
Saturn Aries
Uranus Virgo
Neptune Scorpio
Pluto Virgo
Lilith Taurus
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UntamedLeo
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Hm, okay I'll just throw some ideas your way and let me know if any of this rings true for you:

- Seems like she -did- get scared off: even though it was a misunderstanding, it's likely that it shook her up a bit and made her question what was happening between you two.

Leos can sometimes get easily swept off our feet, and it's possible that this kicked in her Virgo Moon to pull back and make sure her head wasn't in the clouds. Virgo Moon can be very practical and conservative compared to her Leo Sun, and needs to feel secure with possible friends or partners. Also her Cancer Venus gives extra depth to her emotions and any possibility of feeling 'unsafe' will have her in her shell.

- Agreed, showing up unannounced (whilst a lovely gesture) probably scared her off even more. What she likely wanted was some distance to reassess, not a huge amount as she didn't cut you off, just enough to see if you were the 'real deal'.

- The fact that you're such a gentleman is AMAZING and it seems like something she wants and needs but the sad truth is, you're like a unicorn LOL There are so few of you out there now that it can be hard to believe it's there when we see one. I understand you're being yourself and genuine and upfront, and this is where the infamous Taurus patience is key.

Maybe you scared her off, but it's likely she also scared HERSELF off. With those Cancer Venus emotions adding to her Leo passion... there could've been a LOT more feelings going on that her Virgo Moon was holding in check. But given where she's at right NOW, the best thing you can do is... exactly what you've been doing, really.

Be consistent and be yourself.

You've apologized, she accepted, you don't need to say more on it unless she brings it up. It -seems- like she just needs time to watch you and see that yes, you ARE genuine, yes it WAS just a misunderstanding and no she wasn't wrong about you. Keep in contact, even if you're just poking her here and there. If you go NC for SIX weeks it might give the impression that it -wasn't- a misunderstanding after all(you were only there for sex), or that you weren't really that interested (in friendship or anything else).


Dang, dunno what it is about Leo/Taurus pairings lately! It's been the best experience I've had so far but looking from the outside I'm realizing what a handful it can be, it really isn't for the faint of heart LOL
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Jesus she sounds like hard work, are you sure you're up to that Mr bull 🙂. I'm with a taurus man and he really has to do not a lot. and as has been pointed out we don't physically collect admirers, they exist but they are beyond our control.

No contact for a few weeks may work in the short term, if you want long term start the hard work now, she will remember, even if it's years down the road, the time you nc'd her.
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Leos can sometimes get easily swept off our feet, and it's possible that this kicked in her Virgo Moon to pull back and make sure her head wasn't in the clouds. Virgo Moon can be very practical and conservative compared to her Leo Sun, and needs to feel secure with possible friends or partners. Also her Cancer Venus gives extra depth to her emotions and any possibility of feeling 'unsafe' will have her in her shell.



Well in every conversation we had she would give me tips about how she liked to be treated. She explained that she loves romance, and that she doesn't like Valentines Day because romance should be spontaneous.

She also said that she will put up walls that I will need to break through.

As you can imagine, that is the equivalent of catnip to a bull lol, as I feel she gave me permission to be bullish and knock the walls down. However, when does 'knocking the walls down' stop and 'stalking/harassemt' begin?
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Maybe you scared her off, but it's likely she also scared HERSELF off. With those Cancer Venus emotions adding to her Leo passion... there could've been a LOT more feelings going on that her Virgo Moon was holding in check. But given where she's at right NOW, the best thing you can do is... exactly what you've been doing, really.


From New Years Eve until last week I believed that it wasn't a matter of IF we fell in love, but WHEN. I have had a lot of female friends (alas no Harem 😉 ) and my son seems to believe I have a natural charm but the truth is I was enamoured with her as she was I. I have never met a woman like her ever.

However I too got the impression that she was suffering from a lot of 'too good to be true' conflict. I got the impression that considering I found her to be very attractive and confident there seemed to be self esteem issues. Did I misread that? I think had I known about the Leo ego needing to be stroked, cajoled(?) I would have been even more flattering. I do feel as though I've found a precious jewel, it's in plain sight, yet I'm the only one who can see it's true worth.

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Be consistent and be yourself.

You've apologized, she accepted, you don't need to say more on it unless she brings it up. It -seems- like she just needs time to watch you and see that yes, you ARE genuine, yes it WAS just a misunderstanding and no she wasn't wrong about you. Keep in contact, even if you're just poking her here and there. If you go NC for SIX weeks it might give the impression that it -wasn't- a misunderstanding after all(you were only there for sex), or that you weren't really that interested (in friendship or anything else).



Well I haven't spoken to her since Monday, I know I've missed her companionship. Am I a fool for the thought that I like her TOO MUCH to be just friends? The thought of her with another whilst I'm in the friend zone would be too much for me.

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Her break up text read,

"Its going to be mad here for the next few days, I'm sorry but I think we should leave things. Its going to be manic here for the next few days and since the other week I'm not feeling the same. I'm sorry I'm going to stay on my own for a bit whilst I sort all the stuff this end"

My reply was

"I won't deny I'm disappointed but I understand. I honestly wish you good luck cos of all you've got on now and in the future. For me it's a chance to educate myself and become a man who would be worthy of someone special like you. If I do that, whether or not I ever see you again, I'll be better for the journey. See you later and take care."

Then it gets confusing and this is where I read sorrow and regret...

"I know it just wouldn't be fair on anyone at the moment with everything going on and this last few days with all thats going on with the kids hasn't helped. You're a nice guy and it won't take you long to find someone special. Hope we can stay in touch and remain friends? Take care"

I feel that if I can't be strong enough for the bad times how can I be there and enjoy the good? I wanted to ask her to give it time...

So... do I get back in touch? I feel I'll be doing so in the hope that friendship turns into something more. I feel that I need to tell her how I feel and let her deal with it.

If thats wrong, what do I do. She's done my head in but I know it will be worth it, for us both. I want to make her my Queen.
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Posted by celticlioness
Jesus she sounds like hard work, are you sure you're up to that Mr bull 🙂. I'm with a taurus man and he really has to do not a lot. and as has been pointed out we don't physically collect admirers, they exist but they are beyond our control.

No contact for a few weeks may work in the short term, if you want long term start the hard work now, she will remember, even if it's years down the road, the time you nc'd her.



Bob Marler said,

"If she's amazing, she won't be easy. If she's easy, she won't be amazing. If she's worth it, you won't give up. If you give up, you're not worthy...."

She has been hurt, I have too. She would be a fool to miss out on someone like me, but if I tell her...she'd freak LOL.

But thanks CelticLioness I'm going to be in touch with a card and a letter over the weekend unless thats a massive no-no. I want to put the ball back in her court and let her lead, you Leo's are the boss after all.
😉
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Avocado
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Thank you for the kind words.
🙂

However we talked about sexual matters and we wanted to wait, in order to consumate our blossoming relationship. I think that she had a right to be upset that I appeared to disrespect herwishes (that I agreed to). I think she is going through a hell of a lot, and if I turned out to be something other than the real deal, then I think the hurt could have been too much to bear.

I've had 25 years of red flags that I ignored with a Cap lady, and I promise you that taking things slow would be in my best interests too. Since my marriage ended I've had meaningless afffairs and they aren't a patch on intimate ones. I truly believe this Leo is worth working for.

Keep it coming though, thank you.
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Avocado
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I plan on sending her this poem I wrote;

Touch

Your confidence scares me,
Makes me feel unsure,
Like a naughty boy at Christmas,
Gets pulled out of the store.

You confidence inspires me,
To live another day,
That hope can spring eternal,
To live another way.

Your confidence excites me,
In ways I've come to lust,
I crave some of your power.
You share it with a touch.

My senses need your prescence
Your eyes, your smile, your brain.
I hope to live forever,
To feel your touch again.
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UntamedLeo
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e hard way that being hard to get is a Bull's catnip 😆 But she's not ready to be Bull-rushed anytime soon, that much is clear after all you've shared.

I don't think you misread it, unfortunately I was (and still am) in the exact same boat of 'Too good to be true'. Maybe that's my Virgo Venus & Cancer Mars talking but it's a shock to the system to find someone who seems to fit you like a glove; it's hard to wrap your brain around.

Posted by Avocado
Am I a fool for the thought that I like her TOO MUCH to be just friends? The thought of her with another whilst I'm in the friend zone would be too much for me.



You're not a fool. The heart wants what it wants and I know that if things don't work out with my Bull I could never be 'just friends'. The bond and the chemistry are too strong and too deep and I going through that emotional cheese grater and always having a fool's hope :/

Posted by Avocado
So... do I get back in touch? I feel I'll be doing so in the hope that friendship turns into something more. I feel that I need to tell her how I feel and let her deal with it.
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Okay, time for some bluntness; after seeing your responses, everyone else's and the texts you posted... I think you're right and you should let this one go :/

If your instincts are telling you to speak your truth and leave her be, then do just that. She's either not ready or as others suggested, not worthy of your patience and understanding. If she's going cold over a misunderstanding that you clearly tried to correct, it doesn't look good for the future. You deserve better than someone who'll play games with you, even if you understand where it's coming from.

As the girl who's pulled a runner on my Bull more than once (embarrassingly), I had to accept the fact that while I might -want- the same thing as him, I was nowhere near ready for it. And it was unfair to stay, so I left.

In my case the Bull came back after 9 months. Maybe that'll be the case for you, maybe it won't. It's a risk you take when you let go and it's what makes letting go so hard but you have to take care of yourself first, just like she is.
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I hope it works out for you either way, I know what it's like to have that insane and magical moment of suddenly SEEING each other. Really seeing who the other person is, good bad and everything, and see how well it -could- fit in spite of and because of the imperfections. It's hard to let go of.


Good luck! I hope it works out for you either way, you seem to be one of the few tried and true gentlemen left and you deserve to have someone who does more than just see you, but holds onto you.

Feel free to PM me if you ever want to pick a Leo brain again 🙂
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No, you are right I won't send the poem.

The card I'm sending is basically saying "I'm not going anywhere" and the sentiment is I'm here whenever you need me. I won't ignore her and I'll stay in her life but I do have to tell her she doesn't need another friend.

I have the rest of my life to wait for her, if she chose another well thats when I'll have to give up.



No.

And that wasn't sorrow and regret...

it was guilt.

"I'm here if you need me..."

*sigh*

That won't get you anywhere, right now.

Go out on a limb and tell her what you told us:

She's a hell of a woman, but she would be crazy

to let someone like you go.

Tell her who you know you are, and that she knows

how to find you should she change her mind.

Let her wonder if she made the wrong decision.

Now isn't the time to be so darned nice.

If it doesn't work then nothing would have.

🙂
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Now who's sending the mixed signals? Me.

I told her I'm not turning my back on her, but in the letter I told her (paraphrasing) that she's a fool to let this one go. I used the thread for a lot of what I said in the letter, and right now she has it.

I've told her we had the start of something special and that she has to decide whether she wants a chance at happiness for herself, for me, and for us. She knows she only has to get in touch and I'm ready to talk, and she knows that if she needs a friend for the time being I'll be there for that too...but she now knows I will always want more and only be 'just a friend' temporarily.

I feel I've put myself out there as much as possible without coming across as needy or clingy and now she can choose how she wants things to be. I know some people really struggle with the thought of being happy and are comfortable in misery.

Only time will tell whether she wants me and happiness, or life as it is.

Thanks all.
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