Pisces and Virgos: Relationship Dynamic

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Hello everyone.

Just looking for a little insight. I'm curious as to the dynamic between Pisces and Virgos in relationships. Specifically Virgo men with Pisces women. There's a polarity there, so I'm finding that opposites do indeed attract. One person trying to find the qualities in another they don't necessarily express or are hidden in themselves. I've read there is the potential for a strong connection here, with, oddly enough, Virgos getting somewhat addicted to the Piscean nature.

Does anyone have any insight on this. Relationship dynamics intrigue me, especially when there's some sort of polarity involved. The interaction of opposites.

I would think there would be variations on two main scenarios. One where there's an energy exchange, Virgo becoming more emotionally expressive, with Pisces becoming more grounded. The other being a fading of the initial polarity attraction, with the relationship finally succumbing to inherent differences of the two temperaments.

Comments? Experiences? Insights?

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Hi VS..,not sure if this will help in your discovery process but I thought I would give it a shot...you know the dealy on this stuff...enjoy it for what it is worth πŸ˜‰

Have fun~



I am Virgo, My Lover is Pisces

This is a pairing of poetry and practicality -- can it work? Sure! You both have heaps of what the other one needs. Those born six months away from one another form an astrological opposition. This actually means you can fit each other perfectly because each of you has what the other is missing.

Your Pisces lover is all right-brain: full of dreams, imagination, and compassion for others. Pisces may not be common-sense realists -- that is your domain -- but they more than make up for it by understanding some of the mysterious things in life. They excel at reading symbols and gestures, while you are a literal creature. Where you are precise, they are diffuse; where you are rigid, they are flexible; where you see limits, they see endless horizons.

Together you can accomplish a great deal. Being mutable signs, you both are open-minded, flexible people, and welcome new thinking and fresh ideas. Neither of you is stubborn nor competitive with one another. Where you are neat, compulsive, and detailed, your lover is just the opposite. Pisces live in chaos quite happily; it fosters their creativity. To set boundaries, sort, seal, and punctuate is too limiting for a Pisces; they swim better in open, unrestricted space. Who wants to worry about paying a bill or balancing a checkbook when one is thinking up words to a song about true love or plotting a film about empathy and loneliness? Pisces have human emotions on their minds as well as in their hearts; against the universality of the human condition, attending to housekeeping seems unimportant.

If truth be known, Virgo, you tend to be fascinated by this point of view and feel you could gain something from your Pisces. You are right. Each of you could learn from the other. While your Pisces could use more practicality and structure in his or her life, you could use the confidence to dream and build a bigger and brighter future. Too much of your attention is on day-to-day details. By seeing only that one piece of the mosaic, you fail to see how bright the whole picture could be. Your Pisces remedies this problem and unveils all the possibilities to you.

Pisces believe in the basic goodness of people and make it self-fulfilling by simply living life by this principle. They feel if they just allow goodness to triumph, it will. Others may manipulate them, but they know what is going on and allow it. If you need a Pisces' energy so dearly, they will allow you to have it, for their own well is deep and replenishes as they sleep. When Pisces lend money, they give it without any expectation that it will be returned. Pisces don't really lend anything -- they give it freely instead. It is perhaps with money that you are to find your most profound differences; Pisces are unmaterialistic, which would not describe your attitude. You wish your lover was wiser about financial matters, but his or her eyes are not on this world, but on the spiritual world instead. Somehow the Universe takes care of your lover. Perhaps it is because of the pure and loving vibes he or she sends out.

Pisces have a fine imagination but often don't know which ideas have commercial potential and which don't. They are pulled in two different directions (as shown in their symbol: two fish swimming in opposite directions). Here is where your common sense and practical approach to life could be valuable to your lover: Your words will be listened to (Pisces listen well, not only to what is said but the way it's said), carefully considered, and even accepted as truth -- making you feel especially needed and content. Your Pisces does need you, Virgo.

Pisces have the gift of ESP and know what you need without asking. You will forever
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Hi Freebird,

After reading that, you and I both want a Pisces. It's kind of scary. That sounds like someone I'd get addicted to.

You know what's weird, intellectually, the way I think, I am definitely a Virgo. Genius, analytical to a fault, insecure, etc., etc., but I'm finding the normal emotional Virgo stuff doesn't fit. There's my moon in Aries in the eight which can be a beast at times. Then Neptune, Pisces ruling planet, in my chart is a man-child. It aspects some of everything. Talk about the 400 pound gorilla. It squares the sun, trines the moon, squares Mercury, trines Saturn, and sextiles Pluto. That empathic stuff that people talk about with Pisces, it's weird. It's shocking how I can pick up on what people are feeling. With Neptune, some of it's imagination, but a lot of what I read from people is dead on. My chart gives those two Virgins hell. Their fingers are blistered, but they still hold the reins. Initially, I didn't like the balancing act between the emotional components in my chart and the intellectual, but now, the more I learn, the more fortunate I feel. They don't necessarily gel completely, the emotional expression being crippled, but I get both worlds with it.

Also, Sweet-P, what is the typical Virgo male? I'll get back to you on that one. I'm doing my astrological profile and I'm writing my sun and rising sign profile outside of other chart factors, so when I finish, I'll post the Virgo part. You may find it interesting.

Thanks Freebird for the post,

that's pretty sweet.

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Hello Turtle and Parallax.

Turtle, our buddy Parallax here proposed, in the interest of NAZI science, that a Virgo be cut open to find out whether or not Virgos have consciences. As he recalled from first year med-school, the conscience is located somewhere behind the bladder so he was looking for volunteers. When I first read that, I was like, "That a**hole!" LOL!! His proposal, along with post from a number of obtuse, stone chucking characters entertaining his idea, is in the Virgo arena under the post "Do Virgos Have Consciences."

Parallax, I just checked the planetary positions. You're right, Mars is in Scorpio in my house of communication flashing vulgarity to his roommate Venus. What gave it away, the unusual colorful language? πŸ™‚ You know what's wild, it's been that way for the past three days. That post here, also an off the wall response to Cancerbuddy in the Virgo arena, but at work to. It's like an impulse to make statements of perception and just let them stand arrogant, smirking with their chest poked out and their hands on their hips; smug. I'm not tactless though, so nothing written has been misconstrued or taken wrong. Just think if I was a double Aries, this computer would blush pink.

Thank spirit for small miracles;

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Hi VirgoSquared:

So you want to know about the polarity attraction between a Pisces female and a Virgo male, huh? Well, hang on because my first experience with a Virgo male was nothing short of a miracle and me asking "where's the door so I can get out of here?"

There was an immense attraction between the two of us, but the more I let my emotions out, whether they were happy, angry, jealous, etc...the more introverted he became at those times. He showed a lot a curiosity for the jealousy part and I finally figured out why. Once he learned that I didn't appreciate him having "hear-say intimate" phone conversations with other females in my presence or bringing them around me, he would increase those activities ten times more just to see what my reaction would be. He would get such a huge thrill out of it even to the point of senseless boyish giggling. This excited him tremendously which I couldn't understand. Why play with my emotions as though they were fun and games?

He wanted me to "go along" with "EVERYTHING" he did regardless of how impish or frivolous I thought it was (see other posts I've made regarding this "tainted" love affair).

Bottom line: there was a lot of attraction; but in my opinion, the Virgo male can not handle any part of a Pisces female. Since I am a Pisces female, he blatantly told me that a female that is a Pisces is "soft"...always being emotional and letting things get out of control.

I don't have any positive impacts that the Virgo male left on me because if I ever run across another Virgo, I will seriously consider WHICH WAY I RUN and that will be in the OPPOSITE direction.

I think the reason we could have both been attracted to each other was because I am a Pisces female born on the cusp of Pisces/Aquarius and he is a Virgo male born on the cusp of Virgo/Leo. Too many signs clashing around trying to maintain the natural survival skills.

And most important, the competition. There seemed to be more competition that anything. He always had to PROVE that he was better than me and could out do me in just about anything I pursued...and that included him. He was so unattainable to the point that there was no need for me to continue with his games (mind games that is).

Well, I hope this helps.

Tuffie
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Hello everyone.

Tuffie. I am so going to scream at you (laughing). πŸ™‚ Generalities!?

". . .but in my opinion, the Virgo male cannot handle any part of a Pisces female."

We can't handle any part? Not even the pinky toe? Trust me, there's a part I know I . . .Mars in the third. Bad Mars, bad Mars! Okay, ignore that. πŸ™‚
My Mom's a Pisces; if you didn't know any better, you'd think we were best friends. But ah, I know, you're talking about matters of the heart. I think like the archetype Virgo, BUT, and that's a screaming BUT, that ice man stuff, regardless of how I seem to the outsider, doesn't apply. Neptune, your ruling planet, is a beast in my chart; in the fourth manor aspecting four planets. A moon in Aries, Mars in Cancer (and Gemini, but my focus is emotion), Venus in Leo trining the Moon. My point here, is just because the Cat you were with couldn't handle Piscean flakiness, I mean, emotion, don't don the blind fold, call all us "asses" and try to pin a tail on us. Those pins hurt. I knew this guy that sat on a tac; talk about pain, he wept unabashed. . .back to the point. Personally, I actually crave an intense emotional connection (not anger or spazzing out), so it goes to the individual.

The competition thing, as far as I know, is an anomaly. Virgo and Pisces are usually not so aggressive where they need to flaunt dominance; here again, the individual.

The jealousy thing, yeah baby. I can explain that one. It wasn't just to piss you off or to see your reaction. Even if he got a thrill fondling your emotions, the real motive wore white. Absent some mitigating factor in our charts, we (Virgos) are insecure by nature. What better way to know you're loved and appreciated than by making the other person jealous. After all, for your partner to be jealous, they have to care right? It was ego affirming. It infuriated you, granted, but it made him feel secure. With me, jealous from the other person is like tequila shots. Just enough to get a buzz. Too much makes me feel the person is needy and more importantly, doesn't trust me. "TRUST ME, MAN!!!" I repeat, a little jealousy to show you care is sweet. It grins and winks to my ego saying, "You're loved and appreciated." Gladiator jealousy, that screams, "You're an untrustworthy bastard." Same impulse with him wanting you to go along with what he was doing, it's akin to having someone really listen to you. It shows they're interested. I'm insecure, my first instinct is they're not going to be. He was just a little more heavy handed in bannering that need.

I always feel I need to take shield with post like yours, as if in explaining them, I'm somehow explaining myself. Just know, a particular sign may have inherent traits, but how those traits are expressed speaks of the individual, NOT THE WHOLE. Tuffie, I understand your Virgin, but my understanding him doesn't mean I'd act like him. My reaction in most of those instances would be totally different.

One thing though. If I felt neglected; expression of need; I so flunked that class. I could become the rebellious child in class acting out for attention. Or conversely, I'll nod good day. The catch with this, is if you ask. I'll probably tell you. Talk to us. We're ruled by Mercury, we're good at it. Give us a break. Cut us, do we not bleed, Man? (lauging).

Go abruptly hug a Virgo. It'll freak him out, but it'll make him feel good. πŸ™‚

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VirgoSquared:

You are more than welcome to scream, but please do it softly. Virgo's have such a way of "screaming" but with passionate looks that are really unconvincing; therefore making you think (just for a moment) that you're the culprit when in fact they are. (he he he)

No, not even the pinky toe...why?...because the toe nail is probably too long or too short or too curvy or whatever their brains can think of. Well, when you find out what part they can handle, let me know. I'll make sure I have a abundant supply.

So your mom's a Pisces, huh? Do you find yourself criticizing her and saying she's too flaky... I mean emotional? Just curious. February Pisces seem to be a little different from March Pisces, as well. Does she have a hard time putting up with "some" of your Virgo antics? Of course this is based on the individual and not the "whole" Virgoism.

Now this part really fascinates me "...Personally, I actually crave an intense emotional connection (not anger or spazzing out), so it goes to the individual." Please expand on that one, because in order to get an INTENSE emotional gratifying connection with someone, you are doing something that could be construed as 'tampering' and 'draining' another's emotional anxiety. And why not anger or spazzing out? If you want...or crave so much INTENSE emotions, then you should be willing to accept the good, the bad, and by all means the ugly. Not everything in life is PERFECT, so you can't cut the parts out that you don't want to deal with. Sorry if it sounds like I might be getting...emotional...but I am. Why would you want my emotions so bad only not to give them back in the same manner you received them? Sounds completely unfair to me, but to a Virgo, they don't see a problem, right?

Ah, jealousy...yes, a little jealousy reprimands the ego system with a shocking jolt, but the key words TRUST, UNTRUSTWORTHY, SECURITY, INSECURITY are mighty powerful words and instincts. To be with a female Pisces, never, ever play the jealousy card too often because if you do the trust and security that you were given in the beginning will slowly but surely dissipate into untrustworthy and insecurity issues...and NO, I will not trust you again (not you personally, but the individual). I'm insecure, too, but my ego doesn't have to be inflated EVERYDAY or EVERY WEEK.

Well, I hope that you wouldn't act like him, because then I would be in fear of EVERY VIRGO I met from now until the end of time. I don't want to think that ALL Virgo's are pure justifiable idiots feeding off the energy of other signs, especially Pisces'...just kidding, got your attention though didn't it...I could see you getting riled up already.

..."Go abruptly hug a Virgo. It'll freak him out, but it'll make him feel good." YEAH RIGHT!!! Freak him out is speaking rather mildly wouldn't you say...as a Virgo? I barely TOUCHED that Virgo with a LIGHT hug and he had a freaking spasm attack. Screaming and yelling not to do that again. If he felt good, he sure as hell didn't show it at that moment. Must have come later as a flashback the next day. Oh my god, that one is truly bad. NEVER hug a Virgo, hell, don't even TOUCH them. You'll be scarred and scared for life. He'll know that he succeeded in that department when you don't even go near him anymore. (Sorry, just had to get that EMOTION out of my system. What can I say, Pisces are lovable, feely, touchy individuals and Virgo's can't handle it.

Tuffie
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I have been involved with several Virgo men in my lifetime and have a silent respect and empathy for them. Although none of the relationships were totally bad experiences. I feel that Virgo men have a very hard time opening up emotionally which at times at least in my experiences, would cause me to want to give up on the relationship. Not to forget the fact that at times I would feel bored out of my mind...(: It seemed that some things that Mr. Virgo did would be so rigid to the point where I just wanted to SHAKE THE HELL!out of them in the hopes that they would add a little spontaneity to our relationship. And lets not forget WorryWarts with a capitol W..enough to drive me, a patient demure Pisces female INSANE! You Virgos can be very passionate though, it just takes some time to light your fire but once its lit it burns steady, which I appreciate to the fullest. But all in all my experiences were pretty good. One example of the dynamic of a Pisces female and Virgo male relationship that I use as an example is that of my grandparents who've been married for 52 years and are still going strong true soul mates indeed. I've analyzed their relationship very well and from them I believe that Virgo and Pisces can make one of if not the best match in the zodiac.
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Ouch Tuffie.

An assertive Pisces. That's like, like . . .a three legged chicken. πŸ™‚

That hurt. You play too rough.

Oh, but there will be fallout, baby!!!! (laughing)

Just not now. I need to lick my wounds and email and important person, this is just to let you know your venom was received.
Does my Mom have trouble putting up with my Virgo antics? Ohhhh! The angst! (laughing) That is so hitting below the belt.

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Hello everyone.

Awwww Sweet-P thank you. Kisses on the ego are always welcomed. You do a fragile sense of security well. What are Virgos like? That's definitely a question. Okay, people in general are neither good or bad, people just are. It's the way they relate to us that color them good or bad in our eyes. Talk to Cancerbuddy or Tuffie, the knives from their mouths will decimate us. Talk to Loonybird or myself and you'll walk away thinking we have wings. Truth be told, most of us do, they're tucked away tightly in our stylish garb. The Virgo modesty; we don't want to draw attention to ourselves and make the rest of the zodiac jealous (laughing).

You know what? I've been working on my astrological profile. The first part is an explanation of the Virgo archetype absent other celestial influences, which may impart a little insight. Now, I stress, how these qualities are expressed depends on the individual, which kind of brings up squarely back to the question, "What are Virgos like?" If anything, when I type it up, it may explain some facets of character and behavior. The thinking that goes into some of our quirks.

It may help.

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Hello everyone.

I didn't forget about you Tuffie (laughing). No, no screaming this time. Actually, I'm being distracted by red. I have to keep wiping my screen off. Your scars are bleeding all over the place. πŸ™‚

Yes, my Mom's a Pisces (March). No, I'm not critical. I do have a tendency every so often to point out discrepancies between action and word, but critical or judgmental, wrong Virgo. My Mom and I have an excellent relationship. Do we have disagreements with a Pisces/Virgo dynamic, every so often, but they're few and far between. We balance each other. You'd be hard pressed to find two people that are really close that get along all the time.

Now, to another part, if I go into detail about the part of Pisces, Virgos can handle, I would be banished from these boards for lude commentary πŸ™‚ . You get my drift though. LOL. As for your supply. I seriously question whether your supply can meet this particular Virgo's demand. Keep in mind I'm modest by nature, so that's not just male bravado. πŸ™‚ When the bedroom door closes and the handcuffs come out . . .okay, I may have said far too much. LOL!

Look, your ruling planet Neptune is playing tricks on you. The thing in the corner you've hung your coat and scarf on isn't a coat rack; it's empty space. Truth be told, there's no such thing as empty space since virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time, but those tiny particles aren't sturdy enough to Red Cross your cause. You're playing with archetype labels of Virgo again. Criticizing toe nails size, "Virgo antics," Virgos spaz out over being touched (I fell out laughing at that one, I loved it), Virgos are emotional vampires, Virgos are scared of emotion, using caps locked to emphasize "PERFECT" hinting at perfectionistic tendencies; you should be ashamed of yourself wearing that tattered coat of generalities out in public, in front of children no less.

And did you really quote me in your post in a biting tone? The utter nerve!! (laughing). Yes, I get a kick out of emotional engagement. Like this, I'm loving this banter. It's kind of a high. I love theater, movies, music especially. A Sinatra or James Darren that can evoke almost a nostalgic feeling, a Pat Metheny or Kevin Eubanks to carry me away, a soothing Jill Scott; a Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Height, or some other rock band screaming at the top of their lungs about some chick that screwed them over. I love it, it draws me out. I'm sorry if it drains you. I'm actually astonished your Piscean nature afforded you enough fire to your incentive to connect that many words together in a cohesive stream to convey your thoughts. Yes, that was low. See, generalities aren't fun are they. I don't mean that folks, I put it down to illustrate a point. They're stereotypes, people are people. You can't base your opinions on sun signs. It's common knowledge, at least it should be, that nothing is all good. People spazz out, they get pissed, of course I don't expect . . . okay. I've made a mistake. ". . .why would YOU want MY emotions so bad," you're using the words "you" and "my" implying you've put your Virgo's mask on me. I'm not the target just the sounding board.

Adjusting tone. This guy hurt you, it's clear. He may have been a Virgo, but he's an individual first. His responses where his own, not cosmic. He got his jollies off playing with your emotions, that's sick. Also, I didn't agree with him making you jealous on purpose, I just said I understood why. There's a distinction. Do you honestly believe that having an intense emotionally gratifying attachment with someone means there's manipulation going on? People are social creatures by nature, most people search for that other half to fiercely care about and in return to be fiercely care for. When it's true, manipulation isn't a part of this. Don't let one bad experience taint that knowing. People,
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Geez VirgoSquared, and you say I'm doing WHAT? ("...this is just to let you know your venom was received.") Venom? Funny you would choose that word seeing as though my Chinese sign is a snake. Oh, I see you must have had your Virgo-vision glasses on at the time and was reading my post on the wrong side of the Virgo brain. LOL. Yes, we Pisces do have a major sense of humor when it's called for.

I wasn't questioning the characteristics of your Mom as if I was saying something like...yo' mama...I was actually curious about the relationship of a Pisces/Virgo pairing, with one of them as a Parent (quit thinking on the wrong side of the Virgo brain...) Glad to hear that you and your Mom have such a great relationship.

So, now that Sweet-P got you calmed down a bit, let me put you back where I had you (ROFLOL). "...Talk to Cancerbuddy or Tuffie, the knives from their mouths will decimate us." Now that was rough like sandpaper straight up the crack of you know where and you talk about me playing too rough? "...Talk to Loonybird or myself and you'll walk away thinking we have wings. Truth be told, most of us do, they're tucked away tightly in our stylish garb." Well, if we have knives, maybe we're just trying to assist in REVEALING those tightly tucked away wings so we can see them, too. No harm in that is there?

"...When the bedroom door closes and the handcuffs come out...", ooooohhhhh, okay, now I get it. If we hug a Virgo, they freak out because they've been touched, but once a Virgo handcuffs us so that we can't touch them, then they TRULY bring the freak out. Well, geez, if it was like that then maybe I should have just had the handcuffs, hat, and stirrups just laying on the bed...forget the formalities. Supply...oh, yes, there's plenty of supply on hand and in demand. The Pisces female knows definately how to KEEP THE FIRE BURNING FOR A VERY LONG TIME, but the problem is getting that sucker lit...with a Virgo that is. Are you emotionally engaged now? (Oops, sorry, Uranus did start moving forward again last week, otherwise I might not have said that. LOL even though very true)

Of course I'm not trying to make you out to be the bad guy. I already know who that is. And yes I was hurt by it. My wounds are still healing and it will take time for me to trust another man like that. I am picky and finicky when it comes to trust and love, so I won't give my heart to just any ol' man. He has to be something truly special and deserving in order for me to even want to spend time with him.

Okay, here's where you (the individual) are throwing my Pisces brain to the side (yeah...it's always on the right side of thinking LOL). Why would you shy away or become physically standoffish about being touched once you're outside the bedroom? You enjoy the sensation of being tantilized from a warm and caressing gentle touch of a hand that is covering every fiber of your being until you realize that you are actually enjoying this sensational thrill to the point of where you literally start breathing faster and harder and then.......go into shock an kill the moment? (a little lengthy for that Piscean nature). It can't just be the way it is...there must be more to it.

And to you VirgoSquared, I also send you a huge gigantic AI hug with lots of smooches on the side.

Yeah, I see. Virgo's aren't all squares...they just stopped thinking within the box and moved on to the circles. Around and around they go, where they stop, only the victims know. (Just a little bit more of my vehement venom spewing out...ROFLMAOATO...rolling on floor laughing my a** off at that one)

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Hi Tuffie.

Ohh, the injury you wrought (laughing). Yeah, that sense of humor shines proud. It's an excellent quality, never lose it. A lot of your comments I knew you were joking, other parts though, showed genuine hurt which I didn't want to down play, which is why I put "adjusting tone." I wanted to make a clear distinction between the back and forth banter and addressing what you may have been feeling and not letting those feeling inhibit you later on. Whether you know it or not, that hurt came through. Express it, don't internalize it. If it helps, I'll play dart board, I won't even hit back. Initially though, that Aries moon started to get riled up, some of those barbs felt somewhat personal. Like you said, thinking on the wrong side of the brain. When I tried to put my finger on why, I realize I wasn't the target.

On the overwhelming whole, my Mom and I elevate each other. When my Mom and I do have disagreements, there is at times a Pisces/Virgo dynamic to it. If she's temperamental one day, and I'm reclusive, she doesn't understand that. She takes the distance as a personal affront. Conversely, she may say or do something that I may point out a flaw in thinking that she may not wanted pointed out, and that's where some of our biggest conflicts have fallen. Or she could be over Piscean one day and I can be over Virgoan one day; both of us take all that in consideration to enhance our relatability. The dynamic adds extra dimensions to our personalities, her toughening up outwardly in her emotional expression. Me softening a bit. I'm somewhat emotional anyway, it just doesn't show. I've actually told her this and she thought I was joking. "What? You're a rock." It's the expression I'm uncomfortable with.

No, there's no harm in seeing our wings. You know, knives are sharp though, their purpose can be misinterpreted sometimes (laughing); sorry, I'll try to trust a little bit more next time. Bringing up trust, you should be picky and finicky about trust and love. To entrust your heart to someone is a huge deal. Hearts are fragile, especially when they're in another's possession. They can be caressed and nurtured, encased in glass and perched on a pedestal, prized above all other possession. Conversely, they can be spiked like a football in the SuperBowl after scoring the game winning touchdown. You're right, you have to be careful to find someone who would apply the former.

As for difficulty in getting the Virgoan fire lit. I've heard that, but since I'm the only Virgo male I know, I don't know how much of it is true. Read the posts on the Virgo boards, stories abound, many conflicting, again; speaking to the individual. So, I can only base my opinion on myself and in this respect, there's enough factors in my chart to make me pretty easy. My imagination takes over long before anything concrete starts, so . . . This could relate to the touch issue. Not necessarily wanting to be drawn out that easily, and for me, touch has the tendency to do that. As much as I like it, it's a little unsettling. It's probably unsettling because I do like it. I am a sucker for a touch feely female. This one chick, a friend of a friend, the first night I met her was at a club (I'm not a club person, I was dragged there by people that were). She was the type that was extremely at ease with contact, it was like second nature to her. She didn't even think about it. That first night, we were standing near a table, and she would use her fingers to trace circles in my lower spine. She was so inconspicuous with it, her attention would stray and yet she'd keep doing it. I didn't respond in one way or the other, but my brain turned to mush. I could hear it sloshing between my ear trying to figure out what was going on. With me, it messes my head up.

"Why would you shy away or become physically standoffish about being touched once you're outside the bedroom? You enj