How can Scorpio win back Pisces?

I was in a very serious relationship with my Pisces male for almost 2 years. We were engaged and we had always believed that we would be together forever. He recently broke things off with me about a month ago. I can't blame him for what he did, I know I deserved it, but I could never see how I was towards him until this happened. I know I made a lot of big mistakes with him, and I'm just so stubborn that I can never admit when I'm wrong... but I did.. I cried.. and begged, and bought him gifts and wrote him love letters of apology, but nothing worked. I know I pushd him too far, but I want him back. I realize now that I don't have him, how much I really do love him and want to be with him, and I think this experience has just made me appreciate him for who he is even more. He told me that I need to grow up a bit and that I need to be independent again, I agree with him. I am getting counseling for my temper, and I'm even going back to church. But he won't talk to me, he told me that he never wants to talk to me or see me again, and that there was no way we could be friends again because he doesn't stay in conact with his ex's. But I'm the longest relationship he's ever had, even longer then his ex wife. I know that he is seeing someone else, and has been since the day we broke up, but I don't know if it's serious or not. I still stay in touch with his family because I was always close with them. They say that everytime they try to talk to him about it he just changes the subject or even leaves. He actually called me today, I was shocked... he told me that he had a terrible dream that my dad was going to die... that he was going to get really sick.. and he saw me at the funeral crying my eyes out.. he said he woke up crying from it. It really shoked me and I started to cry.. so we just started talking, and it was just like old times... we were laughing and everything.. but I ruined it when I started to tell him how sorry I was for everything, he didn't want to hear it, he said that he's still in another relationship but our paths might cross again in the future. He told me to call him and let him know how things turned out. What can I do to get him back? Is there any hope at all for me? I don't want to give up on him because I love him so much, and I would do anything to get him back. I need input from Pisces, I know how stubborn you can be, but I really am changing... I just love him soo much.. I want him back.

Ahh...known situation.

Nah, no quarter to you! EXECUTIONER! Cut her head off!

Seriously, you don't have any other chance but to sit wait and hope for the best. You are stubborn so he is.

Haffo, are you a pisces too? I mean I know I'm stubborn too, but i've never just ended things like he did. And I know that pisces don't stay mad forever, especially if the person comes forward and says sorry... but I also know that no matter what it takes time. I have a male pisces friend that's about 2 years older then him, he said that if things don't work out with this other girl, then he would come back to me. Do you think that's a possibility?

If he does not want to talk to you and agressivly declining to do so, then the probability to come back is low. But even then, would you accept that?

"Haffo, are you a pisces too?"

yes

What? Wow...You guys were engaged? He broke OFF the engagement and broke up with you. And now is in a "new" relationship?

What the hell did you do?

I don't much about Pisces and stubborness but I know us Scorpio's are very stubborn and that is a nasty little downfall. I love Pisces but they can really be cry babies. That is the one negative thing about them. That and selfishness. The good thing though is that they are very, very supportive, empathetic, loving, and caring.

Just give him some space and time.

Best wishes...

IF IF IF he's making you pay for whatever it was you did to him---and you want him back & he wants to come back to you---then you just have to suffer for a while. Sorry.

But, here's a hug, Scorpio702. (((((hug)))))

Best wishes.

"IF he's making you pay for whatever it was you did to him"

In relationships, we don't make people pay .. if it doesn't work out .. we leave, just move on to someone who is a better match.

P-Angel said:
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In relationships, we don't make people pay .. if it doesn't work out .. we leave, just move on to someone who is a better match.
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Perfectly understandable. *nod*

I'm going by Scorpio702's original post...where her ex is offering her suggestions on how to be a better person, in his opinion.

Personally, I would not give someone suggestions on how to be the perfect person for me in order for them to run off with someone else.

It would mean I still have some hope for US.

"He told me that I need to grow up a bit and that I need to be independent again"

That's the only thing I see in there that suggests a change of any kind coming from him. And I don't see this as him telling her this, just so he can run off.

It looks to me as the reason why they broke up, rather than any kind of revenge .. for she agreed with him and is begging for him to reconsider. If it as you say, to make her pay, or change in some way to just up and leave .. she wouldn't be apologizing for something.

Looks to me like he gave a reason why they can't be together, rather than just bailing out without an explanation .. I'd rather have that closure than just a dis-appearing act.

Tanya's got it about right .. what he is saying to her is that she needs to work on herself FOR herself .. it wasn't a good match .. he moved on.

Not so that "he" can run off, but so that Scorpio702 won't...

The Ex said:
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but our paths might cross again in the future.
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Hope.

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Scorpio702 said:
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He told me that I need to grow up a bit and that I need to be independent again, I agree with him. I am getting counseling for my temper, and I'm even going back to church.
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Why would he even care when...

P-Angel said:
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we leave, just move on to someone who is a better match.
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And, so, that's why I think there's still a possibility there for them.

P-Angel said:
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Tanya's got it about right .. what he is saying to her is that she needs to work on herself FOR herself .. it wasn't a good match .. he moved on.
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It's possible. I never said otherwise.

We just don't play .. sorry ..

Sparkle motions hold no interest .. we won't play those games.

If a person has a desire to make themselves a better person, that's great for them. If it's done just to make an impression, that's superficial and we have no interest.

That's true, Tanya .. genders are much different.

There's no way of telling whether this particular Pisces is willing to try the relationship again, in the future, or not .. however, it seems apparant that he isn't interested in hearing about what steps the Scorpio is taking to prove to him that she is worthy of him, so this would suggest to me that he senses she's doing it just for the sake of winning him back, rather than for the sake of any kind of self-improvement.

However, we can only assume without anymore details .. such as, 'what did she do that was so terrible that she is buying gifts and begging'?

P-Angel said:
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We just don't play .. sorry ..
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Right. So in the midst of heartbreak, Scorpio702's ex would be gone without a trace. Or...

Discussions about how to be a better person.
"Talk of the future".
Calls about dreams of loved ones.
Tears.
Concern, "Call me/Let me know...".
Etc.,...

Just gone, a Pisces...

And, I'm not talking about you personally, P-Angel.

I'm talking about two people who were engaged to be married.

P-Angel said:
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so this would suggest to me that he senses she's doing it just for the sake of winning him back, rather than for the sake of any kind of self-improvement.
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lmao...

If I was with a man who had to learn to put the seat back down after he peed, for me. GOD BLESS HIM!

WTF?

Oh please, stop with the dramatics, already .. "gone without a trace" bullshit. He was open with his communication with her. I'm done talking to you .. if you want to hear what someone says, then do so .. if not, I'm not playing games with you.

In absolute agreement with you, Tanya .. this is about a learning experience. Whatever happened to cause the end of this relationship isn't as relevant as what should be gained from the experience. Who did what and when, doesn't matter when it's over because that is just history .. however, whatever can be used as a building block for self-improvement with the future is worth putting forth energy.

If he's gone, then so be it .. but, the woman within is still living with herself and to herself, if she feels she needs anger management, or Jesus, then it should be for herself, her own personal growth.

tanya023 said:
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it means he cares enough to show some respect for other ppl in the household..

that is upsetting when ppl don't put the toilet seat down.. very inconsiderate.. so continue to remind ppl.. or just don't clean the bathroom.. teaches something for others.. that for me to clean it, they have to have respect.. and not just take advantage..[/quote]

LoL ~smile~

Put the lid down. That's fair for him & her.

Men wonder why we don't look first, rather than fall into the toliet. It's the middle of the night and we're half asleep, dude!

Women wonder why guys just won't do it for their/a lady...and want us to touch it. OmG!

It was designed for the seat to be down, fellas.

But, put the lid down. That's fair for him & her.

The whole toilet seat thing is relative .. if it should be deemed for a man to lower a toilet seat when finished for a woman, then the woman should also have the same consideration in raising the seat when she's finished for the man. If a relationship is to be on equal terms, then just because one of those partners is a female doesn't give passage to having special treatment, if special treatment isn't issued forward to the male. That's just me ..

With this particular situation, what stands out in my mind, is the fact that ANY measure will be taken to win a person back .. if there were issues within the relationship in which this Scorpio KNEW she was doing wrong but didn't put forth any effort to better herself and only did it after-the-fact .. then that suggests to me that she isn't willing to improve herself, for herself .. rather, just to use to bait him back by showing him that she changed for him.

That is key here, that isn't being understood .. Pisces people don't want you to change for us .. if a change is needed, then do it for yourself.

But, my husband is very considerate of toilet seats .. so this isn't an issue for me to even think about.

This Scorpio woman needs to come back with details if any of us can help her.

Wow, I didn't expect so many people to respond. Yes, he did say that our paths might cross again in the future... which has me hanging on to this thread of hope that he might just come back to me. I mean he said that he never wanted to talk to me again.. but he did call me a few days ago.. and that confused me because he was so concerned for me and my dad and he kept accidentally calling me honey and then correcting himself and saying Samantha, and then he started talking to me like old times and we were laughing and everything, but then I started telling him how sorry I was and started to cry because I miss him so much, and he really didn't want to hear it, he said that he does want to talk to me, but doesn't want to hear me cry or talk about us or the past, I guess he just wants to talk abotu the bills... I am respecting his space and leaving him alone.. but I just keep holding on to this hope that he will come around... but I just don't know if he will or not.. I know it will take time.. only time will tell.. but there has to be something I can do to get him to take me back, something anything at all, something crazy and romantic... I refuse to give up on what we once had... I love him so much and don't want to lose him forever... thanks for all of your help everyone.. I just wish there was more that I could do..

P-Angel said:
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The whole toilet seat thing is relative .. if it should be deemed for a man to lower a toilet seat when finished for a woman, then the woman should also have the same consideration in raising the seat when she's finished for the man. If a relationship is to be on equal terms, then just because one of those partners is a female doesn't give passage to having special treatment, if special treatment isn't issued forward to the male. That's just me ..
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I think putting the lid down is fair. Both male & female have to raise and lower the appliance for use.

P-Angle said:
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With this particular situation, what stands out in my mind, is the fact that ANY measure will be taken to win a person back .. if there were issues within the relationship in which this Scorpio KNEW she was doing wrong but didn't put forth any effort to better herself and only did it after-the-fact .. then that suggests to me that she isn't willing to improve herself, for herself .. rather, just to use to bait him back by showing him that she changed for him.
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She's young (Scorpio207)? I can't remember now, but I got the feeling that she was young/inexperienced...and if anything will make you look to a better way, love has got to be the best reason in my mind. For self, or for another you love. What about selfish people who have children and become better human beings because of that...I LOVE YOU!!

That is key here, that isn't being understood .. Pisces people don't want you to change for us .. if a change is needed, then do it for yourself.

To be perfectly honest, and this is speaking for myself being a Pisces .. I can't be won back once I've swam away. In the future, when people change, it's possible to find each other again .. but, not as the same two people who tried before and couldn't make it.

We would have to have personal growth and approach the partnership with a clean slate.

"but I just keep holding on to this hope that he will come around... but I just don't know if he will or not.. I know it will take time.. only time will tell.. but there has to be something I can do to get him to take me back, something anything at all, something crazy and romantic... I refuse to give up on what we once had"


You didn't hear anything we said, did you?

Oops.

"That is key here, that isn't being understood .. Pisces people don't want you to change for us .. if a change is needed, then do it for yourself."

That last sentence in my post is P-Angel's.

Peace.

I am 20 years old, and I have been with him since I was 18, he was my first real love and everything else... and yes we were engaged and everything.. and what I did... well neither of us were working for a while, and he got a job at the post office working graveyard, we had no cell phones or TV or internet or books or anything, I didn't have my car since he drove it to work, and i didn't have money, so I slept while he was at work and when he came home I was selfish and expected him to stay up and hang out with me, btu I did let him sleep for 8 hours everyday, but I started getting mad at him all the time for no real reason, he would come home and I would yell at him because I was going nuts with having absolutely no one to talk to and no where to go.. allthough I put myself in that situation and it's not his fault at all... I only have myself to blame for that. So everyday I would threaten to leave, and scream and yell at him, and I've even destroyed some of this things... which is why I bought the gifts... to replace what I destroyed. I admit that I had kind of lost it there for a bit because I just had no outlet... again I know this was all my own doing. And no, I never did offer to get counseling before, because before I never thought I was wrong, I would never ever admit that I was wrong... but now I really see how wrong I truly was abotu everything... and all I want is a chance to show him that I want to make it right, and that I am getting help, no not just for him, but for me too, because this isn't me, I've never been like this in my entire life... and I don't want to be like that ever again. But I do want my ex back, and I want him to see that I am changing for him.

P-Angel said:
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To be perfectly honest, and this is speaking for myself being a Pisces .. I can't be won back once I've swam away. In the future, when people change, it's possible to find each other again .. but, not as the same two people who tried before and couldn't make it.

We would have to have personal growth and approach the partnership with a clean slate.
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Say it, P-Angel! You left the relationship with hope in him(you're a girl, right?) for the future though! Say it!

Yes, I am a girl sorry.

And I love my gay sisters and brothers too.

P-Angel, "him" or "her". Is beautiful.

Scorpio702 said:
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Yes, I am a girl sorry.
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Sorry for what? You rock!!!

I met him when I was 18 and he was 24, he's 26 now and I'm 20 now.

I know that I was young and dumb about a lot of things, but in so many ways I was always more mature, and I was definitely always the responsible one, I was the one who always worried about money and the bills while he alwyas worried about... what to eat... and what we wanted to go do.. and I guess that was a bit frustrating.. so when he said that I needed to grow up a bit.. he does too.. and I'm making the effort to do that.. I love the fact that he's so carefree and laid back, but sometimes you do have to think about the bills and responsibility.. and he never did that, I always did.. another reason why we were good together.. we balanced eachother out... I was the responsible one.. and he was the laid back one... and without him I just worry about everything even more... without him there to calm me down..

I know that's the main reason why we argued so much, because of work and finances. That was 85% of why we argued.. but he won't see it... all he can see is the negative..

tanya023 said:
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With you having a temper, sweetie. Been there.. and that is a problem. When you have a bad temper, you cannot think straight. So whenever you feel angry, analyze what's at hand. Just imagine, if you were the other person.. wouldn't you like to be treated fairly? To be understood.. it's a give and take. It's not all about you. You make your own decisions, and so does others. Being tempered won't get you anywhere, people tune out instead of listening to you. Clear your mind of anything that's negative. Anything is possible, it's just up to you.. it's that simple.
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You're so calm and sweet. *flower*

She's right Scorpio702...that temper can be a bit overwhelming for many. You don't mean real harm (most often, lol) and others don't mean to be disloyal, but it's scary.

You are right... everyone who knows always says how passive I am and how I always go out of my way for everyone.. and I was like that with John (my ex), but then things just started going bad with work and I am the worry wart when it comes to that stuff so I guess that just kind of made me crazy... but I can see exactly where my downfalls with him were and exactly why it happened, and I realize I was wrong, but he was wrong too.. so at least I can admit that I'm wrong.. because I never do.. well I'm a water sign too.. sooooo can't I go swim too.. and find him.. or some cheesy saying liek that?

I called him this morning and of course he didn't answer.. I left him a voicemail about the 200 dollars I sent to him in the mail for the phone bill, he said that he never got it, and I haven't gotten it back, so I want to find out if he's gotten it back yet. But of course, he probably won't call me back.. 😢.

"I do want my ex back, and I want him to see that I am changing for him."


I just dont't know what else to say. You say you want to know how Pisces feels about this, yet, you aren't listening ..

.. A Pisces does NOT want you to change for us.

You are trying to show him that you are changing for him and you can't understand why he isn't responding to this and I'm trying to tell you .. you have to change for yourself. To attempt to prove to him by telling him how you are changing is telling him that you are doing for him.

If you were changing for yourself, you wouldn't be throwing it up to him as evidence.

You are right... but I am changing for myself as well.. and if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be getting this help..

What you have to do is continue with your life .. he has someone now, so while he is with her, make yourself into whatever better and wiser person you think you need to be.

He'll see that ..

He's NOT going to see if you are telling him, begging him, buying him things, crying to him .. he's NOT going to see anything you are doing for yourself until you actually do it for yourself without telling him.

Just do it .. say nothing.

It's just so hard to imagine my life without him now, I mean since I was 18 I've always believed that we would be together forever, since the first day I met him.. that's how strongly I felt about him. I mean after the first two weeks were together he told me that he had a premonition that we would be together forever.. and that the first few years would be hard, but we would be happy together, and he saw us at our wedding, and his friend telling him what a dumbass he is for marrying me. I mean was he just saying that because he thought it's what I wanted to hear? Or because that's just how he felt at the time.. I mean if it was a premonition... was this in it too?

I know pisces are highly intuitive and he could always sense when something really bad is going to happen... which is whi I am really worried about my dad now.. there was even a time when we were so close we could literally read eachother's thoughts without even realizing it... we had such a deep connection.. that I wonder if he saw this break up in his premonition too.. or if he was just blinded by instant love...

PrettyPisces24, thank you for telling me about this site, they offer a lot more help then Yahoo Answers does, even though they may not all the answers I want.. it's stil a lot more helpful 😄.

There is no competition.. I do want him back... and I am trying my best to win him back, trying to get advice from other pisces, which is only making the probability of us getting back together seem more and more dim.. but I won't give up. I need to change for me, and not him. And I am changing for me, but I want him to see that I am changing... you're right... telling him that I'm getting counseling and everything else isn't going to make him see that I'm actually changing.. I have to let him just see that for himself... and I hope that he does..

Yes they are, and no one is being a jerk about it... it's nice..

Oh yeah, let me put it on the pisces board.

You should on the Scorp board too, to get their insight, as well.

P-Angel said:
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You should on the Scorp board too, to get their insight, as well.
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What do you think the Scorpios will think of this?