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OK, so I havent been on the boards in a while. I honestly didn't think I would be back for advice...esp for a LEO! lol

I recently, about a month ago, met a Leo male. He was on vacation when I met him and he lives in another country. Things got heated pretty quickly and we both formed a quick attraction to each other. While he was here, he asked me when I would go visit him, but it all seemed so vague and I didn't want to take anything too seriously. When he left, I was at first very hesitant about continuing communication, but he had told me he would be able to refer me to the company he works for, which is an American company, so I figured it would be best to not burn a bridge.

I communicated my reservations to him about continuing any kind of "relationship" with him (knowing that we cannot just stay friends, me being a scorp and all). I guess part of me was just wanting to not continue communicating with him. He assured me that he liked me as a person and wanted to stay in contact with me. He seemed very interested in staying in communication, and I was more or less on the fence, as I did not want to get my heart broken, and our situation with the distance is not exactly the best. He also said that he wanted to Skype with me every day yadda yadda. It all sounded so promising so I did continue communicating with him.

Over time, I have felt like communication has died down, and I started to feel like I was wasting my time staying in contact with someone who once told me they wanted to talk every day, and yet I feel like we are at the same place we started. I really don't like wasting my time, and I had told him this. He definetly has not Skyped with me every day, if anything last week we Skyped once, and the messages during the day are short . A lot of it I think is that we both are stubborn. He is also a few years younger than me, and I wonder if his maturity level may play a part in all this. He def has an ego, and I also wonder if he feels like hes "got me" and that I won't be going anywhere. I must say this LEO has me confused!
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I got to a point where I was just annoyed, and I did not fully communicate it to him at first. I just didn't speak to him for a few days. I really just didn't care. My stubborn self thought I will not talk to him and this will all die out. Then he wrote to me after a few days and said something along the lines of "I hope you are ok, I haven't spoken to you in a while". I told him I was fine and doing a lot of thinking and he asked me what kind of thinking. I told him that I liked him, but I was thinking about how things were progressing and wondering if this was a waste of time.

Later that day we Skyped and I told him everything I was feeling. He heard me out and for the next few days things were better. Now today it has gone back to no communication.

I guess my question is what it is with him? Are Leo men just not good with communicating? Even when I speak about my reservations, its like he has NONE so I am the one who feels like I am complaining or putting pressure on him. That's not what I want it to be. Once again I just want to end this. I feel like it's a dumb cycle that will not end before it even gets somewhere and I kind of want out! Lol. What can I do?? Am I being crazy? Please let me know what this seems like from a outsiders point of view??_esp from my leo??s and scorps!
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OH, I also forgot to add that I was set on going to visit him at the end of this month, but I was not able to take the time off from work, and I will not be able to until August.

After I told him this he asked if I would "accommodate" him (let him stay at my place) if he came back in June or July. I said yes, and I thought he would start looking at flights. Since then he told me he's had to pay for a lot of expenses and that he doesn't know when he will be able to come...then he asked if I could "sponser" him to come aka pay for his flight. I said NO, that I did not feel comfortable with that commitment. So since then, he hasn't really followed up with him "I am going to visit you" thing. Why would he say that then make all these excuses? Is it not that interested or what?
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In my experience, Leo men are not very good at getting back to women they don't take seriously. They will answer when they want to answer and women who just keep sending them messages in hopes they'll reply -- especially needy messages -- are the ones giving them all the power.

From the rest of the story, with him asking you to pay for his flight especially, makes me think he's trying to take advantage of you.

You have to remember, things change. Although he may have said he wants to speak to you everyday, it realistically might not be possible. I know I've been having Internet issues and haven't been able to Skype for at least two months! It sucks! So although there may be circumstances which prevent him from doing what he said, you also shouldn't be THAT naive to expect him to speak to you everyday. He's only just met you. I bet he doesn't even speak to his mother every day and he's known her his whole life. I think you should be a bit more flexible and reasonable to begin with. PMSing all over him because he only skyped once last week is only going to push him away even more.

Seriously... If the only times he does talk to you, you stress out, why would he want to carry on phoning to listen to some chick both and moan about how he's failing to do what he said?? I wouldn't phone either if that were the case!

Sorry for being blunt! But I'm an Aries. That's how we roll!
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well, my astrological makeup has been completely overruled by my jewishness....

HE ASKED YOU TO PAY FOR HIS FLIGHT—————??

i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that this man is a user and a player and will say just about anything you want to hear...when he feels like it.

i don't care what gender the person is...if they're asking for money when you barely know them, that is ALL they want from you.

from the leos i know, they would rather walk over hot coals than let their woman pay for them!!!
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Thank you all for your blunt, honest advice. I DO appreciate it. That is why I came here 😉. Now that I had time to really think over this, I see how foolish it is.

I wrote to his yesterday after I posted this message. You are right Elle, I knew for a while that I should just go with my gut instinct and end this. I KNEW something was wrong about the whole thing. It makes me wonder if he ever really cared, or why the heck he insisted to keep in contact with me in the first place.

and YES he asked for me to pay for his flight *face palm*. Side note, I actually have a LEO brother, and he would love it if ANYONE payed for his stuff. LOL.

Anywho, I just wanted to get it over with so I basically told him that I didn't think we were seeing eye to eye and I wanted to stop communication with him. He read the message last night and never answered. *shrug* I wonder if he will ever say ANYTHING, but I actually feel some relief.
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Years ago I talked to a man from Italy. I am in the US. He was nice and attractive. The problem is I need to touch and kiss my partner. I need to have him near me. Have you ever noticed on those nature shows that lions are never far apart
? The male from the rest of the pride and the females from her cubs. It is kind of like that. For us it is out of sight out of mind. I don't think he is not interested, you are just not there. When he needs a hug or a kiss or some sex.

Now, the flight thing. I am on the fence about this one. However, since you told him no what I think is rather moot at this point. The no thing was the nail in the coffin. It's selfish of him but I think since you were already in a somewhat precarious position it might be best to cut your losses.

I disagree about Leo males not asking for money. The ones I have dated and there have been 4 asked me for money. They also gave me money. I don't think it is a using thing with them but more of a I do for you so you should be doing for me too thing. I am pretty sure none of them NEEDED my money.

and they will certainly let you pay for something if you wish.

Good Luck you seem like a really nice person.
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Thanks Nala 🙂
I fully understand what you are saying, I am the same way. I need to physically be able to see and touch you and it did make it hard.. On both of us. I have also been in this long distance situation before, which is why I communicated to him my reservations in the beginning. My thing is If he was starting to feel that way, or any way why wouldn't he just communicate it to me? It made it hard for me to open up because I felt like I was the only one having issues with the whole thing. He never had any input. It was probably because of his ego that he didn't want to seem like he had any insecurities About what was going on between us.
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Posted by aNEWday
You know, I wonder if I attract or am attracted to men from other countries because I have Jupiter in the 7th house? Yet no luck with love! Lol

Seraph- he also has Leo Venus and Leo Mars. So, he does have quite a bit of Leo going. I think maurity level may have to do with Leo's who do not let others pay for them, and maybe even upbringing?



I dated a Leo Sun with a Leo Moon, long distance. He was without a job, and still managed to work his ass off to see me and pay for his flight, hotel, and various expenses. I believe I only paid for the taxi a couple times, and that was out of disagreement (as well as him needing enough $ for the trip back).

His upbringing was rocky to say the least.

However, all 'signs' aside... I just find material matters of that nature to be complicated to bring into relationships (family, friend, or love). That matter alone leaves me bewildered at the gall he has to ask you to pay. It just makes relationships more complicated than need be. That makes me wonder how he values his other relationships in life.

I appreciate the elaboration of your statement. To be honest, I could never see myself dating another Leo ever ever again!! I find maturity to be a huge factor in the sign, especially for males. 🙂
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aNEWday: imo, i think his wish to continue communications was designed to keep you on a string. if he's so keen to maintain contact with you, let him work to do that. leo men say all sorts sometimes...that they're gonna do this or that...best not to take them as firm plans though. until you know them very well, leo words can be pretty empty so you have to watch the actions.....through binoculars, concealed in a camouflaged observation tent with a tranquilizer gun at the ready, lol!!

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R1g, LOL, I agree with everything you said. All sources I read on Leo men would say how "honest" and "up front" that they are. That you should believe what they say, because they mean it. WELL, I caught this Leo in a few fibs, and my Scorp BS detector went off a few times as well! Leo men are not better than any other, smh.

Update: the Leo is BACK. Isn't Venus retrograde? lol. After 2 days of doing whatever Leo men do (not sure if he was thinking it over, or waiting to see if I would come back), he replied back asking if thats what I really wanted, to not talk anymore? Um, yes, obviously!

Then he said something like, "thats a shame". I said why, and he said we should Skype tonight to talk about it. Now that I don't give much of a hoot anymore, I agreed to Skyping, but by the time I got home he was already sleeping so we didn't get to talk.

Any tips on how I should go about this? I honestly don't have much care in this anymore, and after seeing everything for what it was, I am a lot more aware of things. This grants me some control over the situation. I kinda just want to hear what he has to say. I won't let his Leo nature charm me till my heart melts! 😉
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Posted by seraph

This.

I'd be interested to see what other elements of this person's chart might have prompted him to expect such a thing. It's certainly not an archetypal leo trait.



I'm ESPECIALLY wondering this due to this last update. Especially his Moon..

aNEW, I wish this had unfolded differently for you, but I'd be honest to say if this is his nature - then it's a LIFESAVER that you see through him so early. Or rather a lifesaver for HIM and a time-saver for you, Ms. Scorpion.

I've heard 'legends' (heheh) of male Lions acting to the extent of their self image 😉

If you enjoy seeing victims squirm.. prompt video conversation via Skype and just act wonderfully 'you'.. then catch him off guard. Be blunt and out him right there. Do it swiftly and with charm, and leave before he has the chance to lick his chops.
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SC- Ok, I think I am in denial about his chart because I have NO idea how we even came together. I am especially in denial about his Gemini moon. Eeeeeek!

Here is his chart::
Sun Leo
Moon Gemini
Mercury Leo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
Jupiter Aries
Saturn Sagittarius
Uranus Sagittarius
Neptune Capricorn
Pluto Scorpio
Lilith Cancer
Asc node Aries

I have a Taurus moon, and Libra Venus & Mars. Where the heck is the compatibility?

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aNEW, I wish this had unfolded differently for you, but I'd be honest to say if this is his nature - then it's a LIFESAVER that you see through him so early. Or rather a lifesaver for HIM and a time-saver for you, Ms. Scorpion.

I've heard 'legends' (heheh) of male Lions acting to the extent of their self image 😉

If you enjoy seeing victims squirm.. prompt video conversation via Skype and just act wonderfully 'you'.. then catch him off guard. Be blunt and out him right there. Do it swiftly and with charm, and leave before he has the chance to lick his chops.



Even though he is sorta hard to read, I am no longer a fool!
And you better believe I will be blunt, with charm, and much detachment 🙂
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Posted by sheathedclaws
Oh my - Gemini moon...

Your Taurus moon would be in absolute torture with that. Maybe a martyr would have compatibility.. or a kite..

A plastic bag..?



Hahaha! It is kind of like pulling teeth, a blockage that is there.. but somehow we are still attracted to each other. Ultimately it's what probably led me to end the whole thing. I felt like I was working through a puzzle I could never put together and gave up!
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You can't work through a puzzle of mismatching pieces. Truth is, you'd probably have enjoyed the investigation as you worked your way through the puzzle.

There is one thing I've noticed about some female Water and Earth signs.. PLEASE give yourself more credit..

You didn't give up. You gave an honest effort, saw inconsistencies, and internally inquired. You can't give up on a plastic bag... you just saw what it had: a plastic exterior and full of trash. 😉
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aNEWday: sounds like you're confused. i would suggest putting some distance between yourself and the leo. you have to find out if he is actually bothered that you said you didn't want to talk any more or whether his interest has just been 'heightened' cos you said you didn't.

ugh...gemini moon. i wasn't into astrology when i met my ex-husband and it was only when i was done with him that i bothered to take a look. aries sun, leo asc, gemini moon. omg..if i'd have known then what i found out after, LOL!!

it kinda reminds me of an uncontrollable bush fire...with all that gem drama and penchant for extremes keeping the flames raging....plus this ridiculous need for everyone to think they're something else without regard for what their partner thinks of them. kinda like a leo on crack....yuk!!

seraph: nice pic....you're a handsome devil but being leo you will know that already...so take it as a little ego strokette 😛
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So, New Day how are you?

You are going to call or Skype him. Everyone here already knows this. I'm not sure what you want to come from this. If you want to make him feel some kind of way..then Skype nude or whatever.

He is only doing this because you rejected him. We don't understand rejection. It confuses us. Just read through our forum here. Countless posts of woman and a few men who are/were rejected. We can't fathom the idea that someone does not want all of this lusciousness !! LOL It's the thrill of the chase. He is going to hunt you down now until you are caught. Then he is going to move on. I wish you the best but I think it has become a game to him now. He went to sleep. Really—

So if you want some revenge, look as absolutely gorgeous as you possibly can. Then get on the computer talk for 5 minutes and then make up a reason why you have to get off. Don't talk to him for a week. Keep him confused. It's your only shot. A long one albeit but hey.
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Im not sure what I'm looking for here, I thought it was closure. I am definitely keeping my distance, especially now that I learned about his ways.

Hi Nala, I'm doing good, thanks 🙂

Yes, I did agree to Skype with him, but I went and "did me" before I came home. I made him wait, because I didn't care much either way. So, by the time I got home, because of his time zone he was already asleep. No sweat off my back. Today he messaged me to see how im doing, most likely trying to get on my good side. Whatever, not falling for this, and I am firm in keeping my distance. I will not be initiating any contact.

HA!!! I bet that was his thoughts exactly! Like "how could she not want ME—". I would most definitely describe him as "cocksure". One time he said to me "don't miss me too much" and he was dead serious. I laughed and said "don't miss ME too much". I tell you, you Leo's are too much sometimes!! Hahaha. I have to say though I've met a few Leo mooners, male and female, and oh did they need to get over themselves! Worse than the Leo sun.

So now I don't know what to do. If he came back bc of the rejection, I'm really not in for any type of game playing going forward. I'm going to make things quite clear. Thanks for that advice Nala. I will be sure to keep my conversation with him short and look my best 😉. In the meantime I will continue to "do me" and keep dating options open!
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Posted by Nala13
He went to sleep.



This gave me flashbacks to dating the one male Leo.

That damn pussy (and not even the wonderfully climactic kind) would fall asleep when we had plans. I'd be out of touch for days on end.

Thinking about it, when he started sleeping more coincided with our beginnings of misery. I wonder if for Leos (especially male) sleeping and being wanton in nature of the excess is a sign or reaction to just not giving a fuck/unhealthy relationship.

I've posted on the Leo forum before about my 'car naps'. Usually I'm avoiding something when I take them - even my own mind (especially when stressed).

And funny enough, Nala - I stopped speaking to this particular Leo over 2 + years. He's still attempting to stalk me! But he's a Leo with Leo Moon AND weak of character; he's but a moth to the flame and will never make it to me alive. 🙂
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i did a thread in a previous existence on here about leo men and their 'sleeping sickness'. i'd been on a trip with an old leo friend and he would be saying one second he was gonna take a nap and be snoring his head off the next second. literally like he's been put into a hypnotic trance but with horrendous sound effects, lol.

you know that excessive sleeping is a sign of depression. i always take naps when i don't want to face something and i'm not even a pussy cat.
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My Leo brother would sleep all day if he could, lol. This Leo actually slept for a looong time when we hung out one time. I was ready to start my day (and trust me I need a lot of beauty rest) and he was still sleeping..and sleeping..and sleeping. Lazy lion thing?

I do have to say though, maybe you are a little right about him starting to feel more "tired" as time went on, but then again I am not so sure, since in the beginning he still had jet lag for a while so was up when I was up. He is usually up when I would probably be sleeping, but this is all something to think about.

So he is messaging me during the day here and there and I am keeping it real short and blunt, not initiating anything. Then tonight he asks me if I am up, which is a stupid question. I had just gotten home so I said yes, I just got home. He read the message and didn't say a thing..and he probably went to sleep. WTF does he want?? He is annoying me. Like say what you have to say or leave it alone. Keeping me on a string still? Im pretty sure he can tell I'm not into all this anymore.
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Elle, thanks for your feedback/questions.

I see what you mean, and I am being a little passive aggressive. Yes, very Scorp of me.
Honestly, I thought after he asked me if I was up he would want to Skype, but I got nothing. THIS would have been my chance to express my feeling to him, and not though messaging. So, the fact that I did not get the response, caused me come here and ask what he wants?

If you think he see's me as a doormat, I did not see that myself, but now that you say it, it can be true. I don't take it to offense, because I don't care what he thinks really. This is why I am here, to get outside opinions.

I see it this way:
-Yesterday he wanted to Skype to talk things over. I agreed because I just wanted to hear him out, but he was sleeping when I was available.
-Today he tells me he was sleeping, and proceeds to make some small talk asking me how my day is going.
-Tonight, I was THINKING we were finally going to talk, and he comes out confusing me, because it didn't happen.

Now, maybe I should have asked him to Skype, to get it over with. But maybe I wanted him to show that he wanted to talk, and I was being stubborn, and a part of me doesn't care. But I don't like to be toyed with, and as I scorp, I like things black or white, so now I am left annoyed. So here I am, wondering what this all means.

IF he comes back with some bs tomorrow, I will be blunt with him. No more small talk, willy nilly.
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It may be a sign of depression but I heard this on the National Geographic channel one day;

Lions are mainly nocturnal, so they sleep for about 20 hours every day. You can find them lying under shady bushes after killing their prey. Lions live for about 12-16 years in the wild. That means a lion is only awake for about 3 years. And you thought your cat slept a lot!


Yup I can sleep with the best of them. In fact, this past Sunday I slept for 13 hours straight, I wasn't even tired. LOL
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Ooooh interesting point Nala!

Felines work hard and play hard every moment they're awake and when their body isn't re-energizing. They wake up, make noise about their territory, stalk, kill, eat, digest, nap, wake up, protect their territory, play with cubs in the pride, show them them how to hunt small prey, defend against intruders, nap, stalk etc etc.. and that's only half the day!
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gotcha, that IS weird.

I haven't spoken to him. Kind of was rude to him the last time we spoke because I was really annoyed. He got the message and we never communicated again. I've been thinking about him HEAVY for some reason in the last week, out of nowhere. Don't know if I miss him, or if I just dont have any other guy to occupy my obsessive mind 🙂 Either way, there were a lot of cons to our "communication".

I saw the other thread. Good luck with your Leo, they can be pretty fantastic 🙂
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Posted by Samiamascorpio
Well I think everyone will reflect back at times and reminisce about the different people they have cared about. Especially a Scorpio. But pleasssssse!!!!!! Do not call or text him cause you already know its not cause you're still in love with him it's cause you're just in a moment of recollecting, and when you confuse the two as I have often done, it doesn't often end well. About 6 months after I broke up with the Leo ex I texted him cause I was thinking of him and he just thought I wanted him back said right away how much he missed me and would not stop calling or texting and it just made me remember all the reasons we failed and I went back to not communicating.

Unfortunately, I think it's best for everyone to just cut their ex out of their life permanently. When you truly love someone so much sometimes removing them is the only way you can move on, at least that's how it is for me.



I would agree with you. I am just letting the thoughts come up and bury them as well. I know that ultimately there is too much that would not work.

I also agree about cutting an ex out permanently, but what works for me and you doesn't work for anyone. We are scorpio's afterall. I've seen many people have great relationships with their ex's, never understood it, but admire it in a way.l
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