The Decan Dish on the Infamous Fish!??!

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at I am resurrecting the dead here but would like to gather some clarity on the whole Decan thing...I did a little research and came across a string of posts on the issue by ~mystic_fish (circa 2007)(will repost in a moment)

Then I happened upon the thread below (circa 2010) which seems to have a user contradictng mystic's perspective. I was even more surprised to see MissPirate somewhat in agreement.

Thoughts please...can you identify with the fundamentalist's perspective or ~Mystic_fish's?

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@ miss pirate:

First decans in my opinion have the hardest time out of all three.

They aren't so advanced as far as absorbing totally the full power of the Pisces sun.

If they do find themselves with puppet master abilities, they often use them for selfish purposes. They don't as easily grasp the fundamentals of channeling their energy positively as a second or third decan..

First decans of any sign, much less Pisces usually find themselves in the freshman class so to speak of their sign. As you increase in decans, you increase in grades and the higher the decan, the higher the grade, obviously.

So those born in the first decan of a sign often finds themselves learning the hard lessons that a sign teaches.

But of course you can rise above your circumstances as a first decan, but the choice is yours and yours alone to make.






You know that actually kinda makes sense. I've said in here a few times that I've never really felt like a Pisces, especially when I compare myself to some of the ones here. I just don't fit that well into the overall Pisces mold. I'm more air than anything anyway.

I am who I am *shrugs* and I'm not a douche so it's all fine by me. 🙂

Interesting info though thanks for sharing.
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OP: ~mystic_fish

First; what IS a Decan?

Everyone is born within a particular decan sign. We use the word decan (pronounced "deck-han") which derives from the Greeks, meaning, "ten day's apart." Knowing your Sun sign and your decan is the best way to truly distinguish you apart from the other decans within your Sun Sign. This enables us to understand the different energies of the Sun that are affecting you most accurately in each of these ten days.

-If you were born in the 1st Decan of any Sun sign, you'll have your Sun signs traits in full force, being the most intense, they're known to be the extremists.

-If you were born in the 2nd Decan, your Sun sign is less extreme, more toned down, in general these people tend to be the more balanced individuals.

-If your birthday fall into the last ten days of your Sun sign, the 3rd Decan, your attributes will be the mildest, unique and unpredictable. The 3rd Decan's being so close to the Cusp can give them subtle traits resembling those of the next Sun sign.

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PISCES - PISCES ~ February 19 - February 29

1st PISCES Decan Ruler & Subruler: NEPTUNE-Neptune
Neptune, planet of illusion, is both their ruler and subruler, which emphasize creativity and imagination. With double NEPTUNE in force, PISCES-Pisces are able to connect with other people's emotions on an unconscious level, almost hearing what they are thinking and anticipate their next moves. Maybe they haven't experienced this side of themselves or they just take it for granted. PISCES-Pisces double style will take them through a lot of detours before arriving at their final destination.

For PISCES-Pisces love is probably tempestuous, for they have deep passions. A blend of a spiritual and a sensual approach is at the heart of their personalities. Those best suited for PISCES-Pisces are communicative, lively and engaged in the personal pursuit of health or are advocates of it. The stability of PISCES-Pisces relationships will be enhanced if they take on firm responsibilities around the home. PISCES-Pisces always remains loyal and devoted once they have given their heart.

PISCES-Pisces has a youthful air that can be deceiving to the eye of their actual age. It is important for them to lead a healthy life, so as to increase not only the longevity but also the quality of their existence. A desire to do good for mankind is a characteristic of the PISCES-Pisces. The devotional and service-oriented side of PISCES-Pisces urges them to give up their own wants, making them humble to their need to give pleasure and benefit to others. PISCES-Pisces usually makes for incredible parenting roles.

Erogenous Zones: PISCES-Pisces communicates with the eyes and PISCES rule the feet. Whether they have a foot fetish or love their feet to be rubbed, their eyes will say it all.

PISCES - PISCES ~ February 19 - February 29
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Second decanate: PISCES-Cancer
2nd PISCES Decan Ruler & Subruler: NEPTUNE-Moon

The receptive Moon combines with the spiritual influence of NEPTUNE, and heightens PISCES-Cancer awareness to others. As PISCES decans go the PISCES-Cancer is emotionally the most balanced of all. PISCES-Cancer combo is the best sense of humor to ever hit any decan. The PISCES-Cancer can span from the silliest, to the spaciest, to the darkest zones. As children of the Moon, as well as NEPTUNE, they're always budding with artistic creations.

PISCES-Cancer are a romantic at heart and love is a transforming experience for them. PISCES-Cancer are great admirers of sensuous beauty, particularly in people, paintings and their surroundings generally show some kind of special touch. Those best suited for PISCES-Cancer have something alluring about them and are someone who appreciates simple things that most take for granted. PISCES-Cancer sees a distinct difference between being lonely (which they rarely are) and being alone, (which they are often). They are capable of spending hours with a good book, so their companion will eventually learn not to intrude on their privacy and space.

PISCES-Cancer observations are keen, they are able to gather ideas and transform them with their own unique vision. Social occasions enable them to display their special charm with people and a knack for witty conversation that is one of their strong points. PISCES-Cancer are the geniuses of the zodiac. It would be impossible for them not to be creative. No wonder they are always thirsty or hungry, they are always working up such an appetite. This PISCES-Cancer pattern says that destiny finds them and when it does it happens fast. Anything can happen if the PISCES-Cancer lets themselves dream that it might.

Erogenous Zone: PISCES-Cancer rules the feet and the stomach, which gives me a vision of them laying down in bliss while someone is massaging their feet and feeding them grapes at the same time.
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PISCES - SCORPIO ~ March 11 - March 20

3rd PISCES Decan Ruler & Subruler: NEPTUNE-Mars
Mars, planet of initiative, strength, and driving force to PISCES's ruling planet NEPTUNE and underlines their need for activity and outlets. Being the completion of the zodiac wheel, the point at which the whole circle starts over again into Aries and pick up even more driving force. Enormously receptive to their environment, they store impressions in their subconscious and then produce them at the opportune time.

Love motivates many of PISCES-Scorpio decisions. PISCES-Scorpio are finely attuned to the wants and needs of others. Often highly empathic, they are good listeners and are quite able to relate to and make sense of other people's points of view. Those best suited for PISCES-Scorpio is someone who can make the PISCES-Scorpio feel that they count that they matter. Comfort loving, PISCES-Scorpio know how to make life pleasant for themselves and for others.

Often visionary in thought, PISCES-Scorpio has an intensely practical side and often well-developed technical or scientific skills. It is important to them to take an active hand in whatever is going on around them and to help other people. To an unusual degree, however, their lives are ruled by fate and at a certain point, perhaps between the ages of twenty-eight and forty-two, a call will come to them in the form of a great challenge.

Erogenous Zone: PISCES rules the feet and Scorpio rules the sexual organs, so you can bet those toes start to curl during the most intimate moments.
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1st Decan...Feb 25th and I agree with the description too.

ElusiveSoul, I also tend to feel a strong Aqua influence but more in terms of my reactions and thoughts on relationships. I can be very aloof and detached until I fall for someone. But it takes me FOREVER to actually get to that point. And even when I do I still need a lot of space and can seem hot and cold.



Ohh wow...I do have Venus in Aries,..I'm not sure how that would translate in terms of my overall chart, but what I do know, I DO NOT fall for people easily, if anything, it's ether the instant connection or not all !! There is no such a thing to me as "warming up" to people, specially not those of a romantic interest. Ohhh and yesss, Lord, do I need my space...Initially I might be all over someone, but that fades pretty soon and tho I still LOVE that individual with ALL of my heart,....I NEED MY SPACE !!!! Please, do not fondle me to much unless I have given you the green light to do so!
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My darling has Venus in Aries too. We spoke off and on (strictly platonic)for a couple years then hung out for a couple months without so much as a kiss or hand holding. All of a sudden he became very direct and asked why I was playing hard to get. I did not know he was interested! We finally became a couple and to my surprise the friendship blossomed even more and the sex is maddeningly passionate! Surprise! Surprise!

My Sag moon requires space as well so I hope this will help us both to understand the needs of the other without taking offense.
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My boyfriend is 1st Decan (2/28) as well and can be hot and cold too. He has a Pisces rising and a Cancer moon. What is your Moon in Fishtale?

He does seem to love me a great deal.



Libra moon here. I'm not sure which aspects of my chart make me hot and cold. All I can say is I lose interest easily. But interest can be rekindled fairly easily too. I kind of need someone to pull me along into a relationship because I'm always one foot out the door lol. If they have one foot out too then I'm gone. But if I like someone and they're a good fit for me and they don't let me keep one foot out then I almost grudgingly stay. Until I'm completely hooked. Once that happens I'm in with both feet.

I'd say the hot and cold with your boyfriend is more than likely the typical pisces need for space and time to reflect and recharge.
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1st Decan...Feb 25th and I agree with the description too.

ElusiveSoul, I also tend to feel a strong Aqua influence but more in terms of my reactions and thoughts on relationships. I can be very aloof and detached until I fall for someone. But it takes me FOREVER to actually get to that point. And even when I do I still need a lot of space and can seem hot and cold.



Ohh wow...I do have Venus in Aries,..I'm not sure how that would translate in terms of my overall chart, but what I do know, I DO NOT fall for people easily, if anything, it's ether the instant connection or not all !! There is no such a thing to me as "warming up" to people, specially not those of a romantic interest. Ohhh and yesss, Lord, do I need my space...Initially I might be all over someone, but that fades pretty soon and tho I still LOVE that individual with ALL of my heart,....I NEED MY SPACE !!!! Please, do not fondle me to much unless I have given you the green light to do so!
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I'm venus in pisces. From all that I've read about that I don't relate at all to my venus. I don't often feel an instant connection. But when I do I almost don't trust it lol. I just chalk it up to lust for me! But as I said to ninalove above, I have to practically be dragged into love. I wish I knew more about my chart and how the different placements work together.

And I TOTALLY relate to the no over-fondling unless I've given the green light lol!! That's me to a tee 🙂
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well, first decan too. some things are fitting other parts not so much. i don't think you can slip this on like a glove. it shows possible tendencies; i recognize traits of all three decans in myself. sometimes more apparent and sometimes less.





I agree with Nem 🙂

Although I may not be a Pisces but from what I have observed fishes come in so many different forms, always changing constantly depending upon surroundings, environment, mood, and people that it is hard to strictly place any fish in a box. A mutable sign as it is, ever changing but I guess this gives a very very general gist...

Just my mere 2 cents!



hi ladyscorp 🙂

hope you are well?

what amazes me about astrology is how applicable everything is; and then again at the same time not at all...🙂 that is why i like to view it as a possibility, maybe hidden traits will emerge, maybe not, like a blue print....in the end, it's what you make out of it.


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Agreed 🙂.
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1st decan.

Early doors Pisces and always felt more like an Aquarius.

In the sense that I don't seem to have the great traits of a Pisces, as in I'm not artistic or all that compassionate.

Emotions freak me out! I blame my Gemini moon. 🙂

I do have Venus in Aries though so I have influences of both the sign before mine and the sign after.

I'm like a totally crap Pisces lol.

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Woke up this morning to this article....a sign of hope for me.

He is first decan Pisces and she is first decam Libra like me and my squeeze!

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Jon Bon Jovi Turns 50??_ Still On His Starter Marriage


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In 1998, Bon Jovi discussed his marriage in the context of his then-burgeoning acting career. "This is the way I look at sex scenes: I have basically been doing them for a living for years. Trying to seduce an audience is the basis of rock 'n roll, and if I may say so, I'm pretty good at it," he declared to Movieline, matter-of-factly. "Plus, being married and monogamous, it's the closest thing I can do to having sex without getting in trouble for it...The only thing I like more than my wife is my money, and I'm not about to lose that to her and her lawyers, that's for damn sure."

""I think people see the clich? of the Rock Star. We're supposed to get married every three years, trade in, trade out — I don't even want to dare say trade up! I made a good deal the first time. If Angelina Jolie came in today, I wouldn't trade."
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I love this guy!
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I agree with Nem 🙂

Although I may not be a Pisces but from what I have observed fishes come in so many different forms, always changing constantly depending upon surroundings, environment, mood, and people that it is hard to strictly place any fish in a box. A mutable sign as it is, ever changing but I guess this gives a very very general gist...

Just my mere 2 cents!



hi ladyscorp 🙂

hope you are well?

what amazes me about astrology is how applicable everything is; and then again at the same time not at all...🙂 that is why i like to view it as a possibility, maybe hidden traits will emerge, maybe not, like a blue print....in the end, it's what you make out of it.




I am well enough I hope, have been having an insane week with birthdays one after another (you know Piscean week 😉 ) Otherwise a bit sad over a fish friend whom ended up in hospital over a nasty allergy reaction 😢 😢 😢

How about you dear Nem? 🙂

Astrology gives insight, certainly provides people with many perspectives to dissect, making them all apart of many possibilities. It is upon us to take this vast amount of information at hand and derive what we should from it. At the end of the day, each person is an individual with an upbringing, a cultural background, traditions, etc. all which may reflect upon their personality and behavior. Like Psychology, I believe Astrology alone does not provide all the answers but it certainly widens one's breath of knowledge.
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I concur lovely Lady! I am wondering if you are familiar with Jef Kirshner of Sasstrology. He is a psychologist and astrologer. Very interesting stuff he has published over the years. I would love to see further combined research on the two topics. My two cents here.
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nina, i have the same birthday as your man and i can say i'm very hot/cold in my relationships. i need a lot of reassurance to express myself and not disappear into my own pool of emotion. being a first decan pisces with a scorpio ascendant makes me very intense and i'm always holding back as to not push people away with my passion. i also need time to recharge my batteries and mull over my feelings which can feel like i'm pulling away. just be patient with him (: it'll be worthwhile.
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nina, i have the same birthday as your man and i can say i'm very hot/cold in my relationships. i need a lot of reassurance to express myself and not disappear into my own pool of emotion. being a first decan pisces with a scorpio ascendant makes me very intense and i'm always holding back as to not push people away with my passion. i also need time to recharge my batteries and mull over my feelings which can feel like i'm pulling away. just be patient with him (: it'll be worthwhile.



Thanks for this...there are many days I find myself on the fence. He happens to have his moon in Cancer and it certainlly makes an argument a tad more interesting. His Pisces rising well...let's just say...colors his perspective all the more vividly!

Yet, there is something about him that I cannot explain. I am home in his arms. That's what it feels like.
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hi ladyscorp 🙂

hope you are well?

what amazes me about astrology is how applicable everything is; and then again at the same time not at all...🙂 that is why i like to view it as a possibility, maybe hidden traits will emerge, maybe not, like a blue print....in the end, it's what you make out of it.




I am well enough I hope, have been having an insane week with birthdays one after another (you know Piscean week 😉 ) Otherwise a bit sad over a fish friend whom ended up in hospital over a nasty allergy reaction 😢 😢 😢

How about you dear Nem? 🙂

Astrology gives insight, certainly provides people with many perspectives to dissect, making them all apart of many possibilities. It is upon us to take this vast amount of information at hand and derive what we should from it. At the end of the day, each person is an individual with an upbringing, a cultural background, traditions, etc. all which may reflect upon their personality and behavior. Like Psychology, I believe Astrology alone does not provide all the answers but it certainly widens one's breath of knowledge.



I concur lovely Lady! I am wondering if you are familiar with Jef Kirshner of Sasstrology. He is a psychologist and astrologer. Very interesting stuff he has published over the years. I would love to see further combined research on the two topics. My two cents here.



Well then I shall take a look 🙂

I adore your new avi, it is beautiful
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Thanks love! I can FEEL the intensity in the scene...Venus in Scorpio at work!
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PISCES - SCORPIO ~ March 11 - March 20

3rd PISCES Decan Ruler & Subruler: NEPTUNE-Mars
Mars, planet of initiative, strength, and driving force to PISCES's ruling planet NEPTUNE and underlines their need for activity and outlets. Being the completion of the zodiac wheel, the point at which the whole circle starts over again into Aries and pick up even more driving force. Enormously receptive to their environment, they store impressions in their subconscious and then produce them at the opportune time.

Love motivates many of PISCES-Scorpio decisions. PISCES-Scorpio are finely attuned to the wants and needs of others. Often highly empathic, they are good listeners and are quite able to relate to and make sense of other people's points of view. Those best suited for PISCES-Scorpio is someone who can make the PISCES-Scorpio feel that they count that they matter. Comfort loving, PISCES-Scorpio know how to make life pleasant for themselves and for others.

Often visionary in thought, PISCES-Scorpio has an intensely practical side and often well-developed technical or scientific skills. It is important to them to take an active hand in whatever is going on around them and to help other people. To an unusual degree, however, their lives are ruled by fate and at a certain point, perhaps between the ages of twenty-eight and forty-two, a call will come to them in the form of a great challenge.

Erogenous Zone: PISCES rules the feet and Scorpio rules the sexual organs, so you can bet those toes start to curl during the most intimate moments.



Yay!!!!!!!!
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*ponder* when I was still very young, I always felt.. different, disconnected almost. I knew from an *incredibly* young age that I was not "normal" (whatever that is haha).. throughout Elementary and Junior High, I think I still tried to fit in, to conform myself to be like others, to "pass" for normal. By the time I was in High School, I embraced my difference.. realized I was NEVER going to be able to conform, it went against my very nature.. I flow but I do not conform.. seems almost a contradiction, but it isn't. All my Mutable, changeable Pisces.. I'm chameleon and ever-changing.. yet I remain the same at the core.. I self-improve, but never at the cost of myself, and never because of what someone else thinks I should do.. and that's quite Aqua of me too, that marching to my own drum and damn the world thing.

Around age 11 or 12, I started getting heavily into Astrology.. and finally saw something that reflected ME.. it explained a lot, helped me to understand myself better.. and the more I learned, the more I understood... but some things still didn't fit.. I felt divided, but not in a painful way.. more of a curious thing, a "why am I still SO different even here?" thing.. learning about Cusps explained my "fence-straddling" feeling all my life.. I was not one thing, nor another.. I was both, simultaneously.. not uncomfortable, but baffling.. pulled, but not torn. I am (what I feel to be) an almost even blend of Aquarius and Pisces.. if I had more Aqua placements, I'm sure I'd feel more Aqua.. That's some strong Aqua pull - with three MAIN Pisces planets (Sun, Rising, Mercury).. I still feel only HALF Pisces and HALF Aqua?! (And 1/4 Aries and 1/4 Taurus.. yes, I'm aware that is 150% .. and I'm fine with that haha!)

I AM at peace with myself, but it wasn't a compromise. I simply learned self-love.. and with that comes self-acceptance.. in ALL my faults and glory, I am always, always, 100% (150% !!) .. ME. —
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Okay, I've just been informed of something astrologically altering.. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it.

That discussion up there ^^^ is what I talked over with my Mom tonight.. I mentioned how strange it was that I feel so Aqua, when I have so many main planets in Pisces.. she was quiet a moment and hesitantly asked if birth time changes anything, even if birth time is only a LITTLE off?.. My heart starts pounding.. I said that indeed it CAN change things considerably.. and what is she getting at?

Well, I was born in the backseat of my grandparent's Buick on the way to the hospital -- that's always been known, and they laughingly blame my COLD start for my sheer hatred of Michigan winters. Also known: my umbilical cord was cut in the parking lot, my Mom was given a private room in 1972 WITH my bassinet in-room (because I was born outside of the hospital, to protect the other babies from my "germs" lol), and though the first on-scene physician who attended me had his name TYPED on my birth certificate, he never actually SIGNED it (that nearly prevented me renewing my ID in CA in 1996!).. since then, I learned the reason for THAT.. he could NOT sign, as he did not witness the birth. My youngest child was born at home, in the presence of my mother, and SHE had to sign his BC cuz no doctor CAN unless they SAW it.

What I did NOT know: 7:45 A.M. is NOT my actual birth time. 7:45 A.M. was when the doctors plucked me from the Buick, and what they insisted HAD to be put on my BC. I was actually born at 7:15 A.M. (my grandparents DID have the presence of mind to note the time for my Mother!) and I was a half-hour old when they reached the hospital. I never knew. It never came up.

That means I have an AQUARIUS Rising, NOT Pisces. And that explains a HELLUVA lot. o.o