Why is she like this?

Hello everyone. Ive been talking to a pisces female for quite sometime now, and we have admitted that we both like each other and we are preparing to actualy step up our friendship and be in a relationship, wev waited long enough. Everything is okay but theres one thing bothering me about her, well not really bothering im just curios to know if its normal. This pisces girl has really low self-esteem, and thats really weird for me because shes actualy really beautiful, But anyways i feel like shes trying to adapt to me, i do have my flaws and everything but instead of her being mad about them, shes just accepting them so easily as if shes trying to tweak herself somehow to work out with me, Now as sweet as that is im just worried that she might be forcing herself to accept my flaws. I dont mind if she gets mad once in awhile and argues with me about it , but shes just accepting everything about me so easily, thats not normal. Even when sometimes i get mad and cranky, i admit sometimes im a d!ck, She doesnt fight back, its like shes so calm/nice and forcing herself to be okay with that, Thats really loving and understanding of her but thats not normal. And she keeps making sure, asking me if i really like her, she just does not believe that I could be attracted to her at all. I just feel like shes making alot sacrifices trying to adapt to how i am, keeping me happy and all that.

Im just confused to why shes doing that. She doesnt need to change herself for me, I like her the way she is But she feels like shes not good enough for me. As horrible as this sounds i feel like shes trying to act like my slave or something, doing everything i wish and being okay with everything i do. I just wanna know if shes happy doing that or if shes being forced to do that, or if its just the way she is.

the thing about most of us pisces girls is that we are the happiest when we are making other people happy. so just let her be herself thats what we do. sounds like a pisces to me.

Pisces are the chameleons of the Zodiac.. we don't change FOR you (and you cannot FORCE us to -- try it and you'll see the Shark, the backbone you erroneously think isn't there! Weak and wishy-washy, my foot.).. but we DO change BECAUSE of you. There is a distinction. Pisces (esp the women) are Water and take the shape of the vessel she's poured into. It's not something we do on purpose, and it's not something we can control. Expecting us not to is like expecting us to change our infinitely Mutable nature, changing our DNA, changing our brain waves. (Are YOU a Fixed sign? You sound fixed. And Fire. Leo? haha)

Also, we ARE extremely accepting of other peoples' personality traits, AND harder on ourselves than we are on others. (We have to develop confidence in ourselves over time, rarely does it come naturally!) She sounds very much like a Pisces (young) woman. You say it's not "normal" to be so loving and accepting... but for a Pisces, it absolutely is. For an Aries or a Sag, probably not. The biggest problem with Pisces relationships is that we tend to end up with people who don't appreciate that.. or worse, exploit and manipulate us because of it.

Pisces have an incredible ability to put up with a lot from their lover.. and will often stay long after someone else would leave. PISCES will choose when Pisces has had enough.. and it's not a solid, unchanging line in the sand "If someone does THIS or THAT, it's OVER!"... it shifts and moves for each person, and for each situation. "I left so-and-so for doing XYZ, but now blah-blah has done (nearly) the same thing, but I shall wait and see how it plays out." But once that line (wherever it may be at that particular time and place) is absolutely crossed.. you'll find out what they mean by a Pisces swimming away, just POOF, gone.

Don't abuse your Mermaid's infinitely giving nature - cherish it, for no one will ever love you like a Fish can. There's nothing WRONG with your sweet little Fish (that we can see yet) - she sounds so typically Pisces, and so lovely.

awwwwwww Nefer is so right. and yes your girl does sound very typical pisces.

a lot of my friends wondered why I put up with so much from guys, or just let certain things slide and its just how I am... and as mentioned, I am just happy making others happy. People think that makes me a doormat, or a pushover but i don't see it that way. Not at all.

Ahh thank you for clarifying that for me, my mind is at peace now :]. Its just, the women ive been with in the past didnt really show me that much love-care-attention , so im just not really used to recieving this much from anyone, its quite unbelievable and amazing. I love how she makes me feel, im very happy just talking to her, i just doubted if it was really her or just her forcing herself to be that way, i guess i wont have to now lol. But yes i will never take her for granted, the way she explains her past relationships makes me sick, shes a beautiful/sweet/loving girl, and listening to her past relationship stories i feel bad and slightly mad cause it sounds like shes been used by her past bf's. So right now i really wanna show her what its like to be wanted and loved by someone, and not just takenfor granted-used, ill try my best to thank her for being so understanding of me and everything, and yeah ofcourse try my best to give her the same ammount of love.

But @ Nefer. I dont really know what a fixed sign would be lol. Im just starting on this zodiac stuff so i dont really know much for now. But im a september virgo, and im wondering if that works well with a pisces?

Yes, as I mentioned, it's a (sad) but common theme for young Pisces women to have bad/abusive relationships in their past. We fall in love with SOULS, or with your potential sometimes. We tend to be "fixers".. true romantics who still believe that love conquers all... and we tend to give and give and give, sometimes to the point of being a withered husk, an empty shell. A Pisces woman is the embodiment of HOPE and of FAITH. One of the "challenges" of being a Pisces woman is learning that not everyone is automatically good and worthy of what we offer so freely. It's a harsh lesson, and sometimes takes us many experiences to learn it.. as it takes to learn that we too deserve better than we have accepted in the past. Some people think that makes us weak or naive or blind.. on the contrary.. we know what we're doing, even if it's self-destructive or a bit foolish. We CHOOSE when enough is really enough, because we LOVE with everything in us. I'm sure you can see that in your Mermaid.

Yes, there certainly are weak (Downstream) Pisces, esp those who get caught up in addictions, etc.. esp those with horrible childhoods/pasts that they haven't healed from and are still self-destructing because of... But I choose to speak in terms of a Pisces woman who is probably no more or less "messed up" than others.. in very general and "typical" fashion. Read some more topics here in the Pisces forum.. there is a wealth of information to assimilate -- which should appeal greatly to your Virgo side! LOL

Yes, Virgo can be a fantastic match with Pisces.. we're Opposites and provide things that the other doesn't have and needs/wants.. so it either works or it does not, rarely is it in between. Personally, I'm incredibly compatible with Virgos, and have dated far more of them than any other Sign... but I also have strong Taurus influence from my Moon/Mars, so I'm more "grounded" and less "dreamy" than a typical Pisces Sun.. though my Rising/Mercury still makes me Pisces indeed. I've found that Pisces Moons/Venuses/Mars are "more Pisces" than me in some ways (like my Taurus daughter!! She's "more Pisces" than me.. and I'm "more Taurus" than her - because of our other placements and influences! lol).. that's the beauty of Astrology.. everyone is different.. and there is so much more to it than mere Sun signs.

..it would help us be more in-depth to know the rest of your charts, your Moons and Venuses and Mars, etc.

your treading water buddy but the shark is down there maybe deep,perhaps not but if it decides to bite no amount of being a dick will allow you to see the surface again.

can't this be summed up in one word? "martyr?"

as my virgo friend once said, "pisces loves misery."

Posted by caligula
can't this be summed up in one word? "martyr?"

as my virgo friend once said, "pisces loves misery."

Sure, lovey.. if you want to look at it that way. I feel it's a (too) simplified version of something very complex and individual. I sure as hell don't love misery, but I too have had some bad experiences/relationships. I too had things to learn, changes and growth to make, to evolve into something more than I was before.

MOST Pisces aren't TRUE martyrs.. we don't DIG the pain or CRAVE the pain.. we just FACE the pain, we don't RUN FROM the pain. We aren't AFRAID of it, and still carry that torch of Hope and Faith, believing that something good CAN come of this. Sometimes it's Blind Faith, sometimes it's STUPID Faith.. at least until we learn that hard lesson about some people being undeserving. LOL

i think you all are answering from your perspective which is exactly what he wants to understand. he wants to understand why this woman is behaving in this manner. the behavior is uniquely piscean because truthfully, he could've easily been describing my bff.

having empathy, giving the benefit of the doubt, believing and hoping for people to reach their full potential is a wonderful thing HOWEVER, let's not mistake what the OP is stating. there's nothing loving or beautiful about what this man is describing. she's lucky that he is aware enough to question what it is she is doing because where he may not be perfect, a lesser man would be doing a helluva lot worse and damn sure wouldn't be on a forum attempting to gain insight.

the chick is an unevolved fish. we all have to get to a point where we put the negative vices of our sign to bed but she has not. her actions don't need to be justified. she needs to put her big girl panties on and woman up otherwise, someone has the potential to lay her soul and spirit to waste.

Posted by aPiscesPrincess
No we hate misery.. so we feel bad for others when they're in misery, and we feel we need to help them. Like I felt sorry for my ex-bf because of his abusive childhood and being abandoned by his parents and I could feel that he needed love. But he didn't know how to show love himself and would rather hurt those he 'loved'. So eventually I had to stop feeling sorry for him and trying to help him, and look out for myself and finally leave him.

Case in point... some would say that made aPP a martyr... that she martyred and sacrificed herself for this abusive man.. some would say she LIKED it, some would say she MUST HAVE wanted to be used and abused, because she stayed (probably past when even a Tau would leave lol) She LOVED this guy, right? She put up with this guy's shit.. what a weak female.. what a sorry sappy martyr! She should have dumped his ass a long time before!

... I say aPP had a lesson to learn. aPP had to learn that not every poor, burning, BROKEN soul who needs love.. can be saved by love.. that these people can only save themselves, and no amount of trying or fixing or loving by YOU is going to do the job they must do on their own. She had to learn to value HERSELF at least as much as she valued her lover. That doesn't come naturally to a Pisces.. such suckers for sob-stories... for we can FEEL OTHERS' PAIN.. and we weep for them, we burn for them, we want to kiss the pain away and shine the light of our love into their dark corners to banish the shadows and the pain.

Pisces are born to love, and have an infinite capacity for it. But some people aren't worth it. The trick is recognizing who is and who isn't.

and nefer, i dont think it's as much about facing pain as it is embracing it. from an outside perspective, an unevolved fish will embrace pain. he's not asking her to morph. her morphing isn't even necessary and yet, she's adapting. why would she do this given that every time she changes for him, she kills a part of her self? i dont know how that's anything other than enjoying pain? not in the physical sense but if pisces feels that by sacrificing part of herself that she becomes a better lover, better friend, better daughter...that's not rational. if he wanted a mail order bride or maid, he would've hired one.

people who love you don't want you to be something that you're not and yet, some pisces willingly excise whole parts of their identity in the name of love. the crazy part is this assumption that this sacrifice is beautiful when in fact, it's not. there are limits and i think this chick has crossed it if she's got her guy looking at her sideways wondering why the fuck doesn't she have an identity to call her own.

12th house is cuckoo!

Posted by Nefer

Pisces are born to love, and have an infinite capacity for it. But some people aren't worth it. The trick is recognizing who is and who isn't.

i dont think it's about having an infinite capacity to love. i think it's an infinite capacity to debase one's self in pursuit of some perceived ideal.

let me flip it...

virgos annoy me. why? they're helpers and givers. the problem is, it's not selfless. they would like you to believe it's selfless but it's not. they help and give because it makes them feel good to do so...GREAT! they love to give of themselves but in their twisted minds, they believe that they are doing it in service of others.

the payoff for a virgo is not in the selfless giving. they actually get a rush for being the one to help/give. so where the gesture may have been worth a simple "thank you" to the recipient, to the virgo it's much more. giving is their drug of choice and when they've give/help has maxed out, they fucking flip. they start cleaning house. they begin to take stock of all the things they gave and what little they got in return.

the point is, if it were selfless, if it were some beautiful sacrifice, they wouldn't ever max out and they damn sure wouldn't keep score.

as your opposite, they are also martyrs.

my point is, a pisces, like a virgo, continues to give/help can cross the lines from a beautiful soul to a toxic human being. initially to him/herself but eventually to others.

Yes, she has much to learn. Yes, she's likely unevolved (hence my calling her a YOUNG Pisces).. but her Mutability is not a FLAW as much as it's a characteristic. You, Tubbz, are Fixed.. there's no way you can understand such Mutability, at least not without thinking there's something WRONG with her. Generally speaking, a Pisces "changing" and "adapting" to a partner is "natural", unconscious and completely involuntary.. it's not sacrificing (or killing off part of) ourselves (and therefore painful? Change isn't painful!).. like change would feel/seem to be for you lol I KNOW I still change.. year to year.. even month to month.. constantly growing and evolving. (And a less "Fixed" Fish would likely change even more than I do!)

I didn't get any impression that he felt she has NO identity of her own or was a complete mindless sycophant.. simply that she's "too sweet" and "too accepting" of things that other women used to fight with him about (ie. Male's "dick moments" they all have.) I also didn't get the impression that he's a real "dickhead" and/or treats her poorly... just that she doesn't hold occasional "dick moves" against him like others have. He's never been in a relationship where he is accepted for what he is.. and acceptance is Pisces' specialty, possibly their defining characteristic!

Is she in a terribly vulnerable position? Absolutely - that's where Pisces are BORN!... and certainly a lesser man could (intentionally or unintentionally) destroy her.. many do, to many Pisces women... part of our evolution IS rising from the ashes. That's why I cautioned him to not abuse her love... but even if he were to do so.. no one can "save her" from the life lessons she must learn or the pains she will endure. And yes, she is STILL lovely and beautiful.. even in her unevolved Pisces caul.

Does she need to "woman up" or "toughen up" a bit? Certainly.. but again.. that's a Lesson more than it's a natural trait for Pisces... so most of us do learn, eventually.

nefer you're misunderstanding and being defensive.

there are limits to EVERYTHING and EVERY vice within EVERY sign. my being stubborn can actually be tenacity. tenacity is the positive of the negative stubbornness.




I didn't get any impression that he felt she has NO identity of her own or was a complete mindless sycophant.. simply that she's "too sweet" and "too accepting" of things that other women used to fight with him about (ie. Male's "dick moments" they all have.) I also didn't get the impression that he's a real "dickhead" and/or treats her poorly... just that she doesn't hold occasional "dick moves" against him like others have. He's never been in a relationship where he is accepted for what he is.. and acceptance is Pisces' specialty, possibly their defining characteristic!


no one said that she had to fight. where are you getting that from?

the point is, she didn't HAVE TO adapt. the bitch is adapting because she doesn't know how to fucking stop herself from doing so. if the situation doesn't call for a chameleon, why is she changing colors? because she can or is it because she immaturely believes that mirroring, martyring and self-sacrifice are defaults?

if you ask me how you look and i say, "fine," why the hell are you going to put on another dress—



i actually think you're the one being narrow in this instance. if i have beef with Catfish, if i make every argument into some stubborn tug of war or battle of wills, that's me being uber taurean in the negative. i don't get to sit on my laurels and justify my negative behavior simply because in the end i happened to be right. if it's ugly, it's ugly and frankly, what she's doing is ugly. he wouldn't be here if it weren't a problem.

there are limits even for pisces and just because pisces adaptability appears to be sweet/nice/accepting doesn't mean it's not equally sick and twisted when exhibited in the extreme. no one likes a spineless, mindless doormat and the more she adapts, the more she becomes just that.

what's beautiful about that?

oh, and the one thing i love about my pisces bff is her capacity to love and shoulder the world.

the one thing that pisses me off about my pisces bff is her capacity to love and shoulder the world.


for every positive, there is a negative. you don't justify a negative by highlighting the positive. wrong is wrong. all day, every day.

we all need to learn how to balance and those that don't sink or swim.

Wow interesting debate going on here, very informative.
But just gotta say one thing to caligula. I agree with your point there to every positive there is a negative, i strongly believe that, but i also want to say that, you and me will never understand why pisces are like that because we arent one.
Sure we can try and analize the facts but we just wont understand trully. Your looking at your perspective of it but you cant see or understand a pisces perspective on this, cause i guess you gotta be one to trully understand.

Posted by aPiscesPrincess

So some people would say that an abusive man is a bad person and isn't worth trying to love. But Pisces in that situation will usually see the good in that person, and say things like he's a good person inside but he just needs help.

see that's what i'm talking about. i know this is the pisces forum but what KILLS me is that both you all and virgo make blanket statements about your capacity for this or that.

the reality is virtually ANY woman, regardless of sign, would say the same thing about her abusive lover/spouse. it's why many women justify staying so given that it's not exclusive to pisces, you can't make it about you. by doing so you're just being self-absorbed.

it's annoying.

if you're going to argue what is pisces and what aint, can it at least be unique pisces and not something that applies to virtually anyone with pulse?

*shrug* I'm not defensive... I just see that you don't get it. I don't expect you to, of course... it's not something you can identify with. I LIKE you, and I LIKE the grasp you have of Pisces nature in most instances. And I LIKE that you like Catfish LOL

YES, Pisces change and adapt.. UNWARRANTED.. UNNEEDED.... UNASKED... Bet you a dollar your Catfish does too. It's not a CHOICE. We cannot help it, any more than you Taus can help being stubborn. We can grow, evolve.. develop our ego/id .. learn our true value/worth.. EVOLVED Pisces find a balance.. but STILL they change, adapt, unceasingly. And no, they do not LOSE themselves by doing this.. it's how they FIND themselves.

Yes, there IS a flip side of the coin...
SOME of us change TOO MUCH... SOME of us do NOT have our own identity... it's like our natural "acceptance" and "adaptation" morphed too far into a bloody inanimate doormat... rather like your Tau stubbornness and tenacity can be morphed into total bullheadedness and narrow-mindedness or an inability to accept things. Taken "too far".. ANY simple "trait" can be a "flaw".


What's beautiful about that? What's beautiful about seeing a "typical" Pisces in her raw, unevolved form? Everything. I see beauty is nearly everything. What she was, is, will be.. all of it, simultaneously.

I wish you had a Pisces Mercury, Tubbz. You and I would rule the world LOL

Posted by Pseudo117
Wow interesting debate going on here, very informative.
But just gotta say one thing to caligula. I agree with your point there to every positive there is a negative, i strongly believe that, but i also want to say that, you and me will never understand why pisces are like that because we arent one.
Sure we can try and analize the facts but we just wont understand trully. Your looking at your perspective of it but you cant see or understand a pisces perspective on this, cause i guess you gotta be one to trully understand.

actually, i DO understand.

i simply do NOT agree.

there's a difference.



understanding her actions isn't the same as justifying them. if you want to know why she's doing it, they will give you some insight into the rationale. go to any forum, ask a question and you're going to get an deeper understanding of WHY your lover/spouse may be behaving a certain way.

WHY does not necessarily justify the act. ie if i kill a man, the why may help you understand what drove me to it but it doesn't automatically justify the killing now does it?

Posted by Nefer
*shrug* I'm not defensive... I just see that you don't get it. I don't expect you to, of course... it's not something you can identify with. I LIKE you, and I LIKE the grasp you have of Pisces nature in most instances. And I LIKE that you like Catfish LOL

what is there to understand nefer? piscean traits? i sorta got that all wrapped in a nutshell.

again, who cares WHY if WHY is wrong?

my being a total stubborn asshole is not beautiful. it's destructive to myself and those around me. now for some reason, "stubborn asshole" is a clear negative to be avoided and yet, "sweet," "highly adaptable" and "self-sacrificing" are not. why? because it's less combative? because it doesn't rock the boat?

piscean traits taken to the extreme can make a lover/spouse MISERABLE! it can destroy the fish. again, where's the beauty?

you're looking at it from a growth perspective but until the growth occurs, the fish is swimming in a cess pool.

Posted by aPiscesPrincess

Posted by caligula

the reality is virtually ANY woman, regardless of sign, would say the same thing about her abusive lover/spouse. it's why many women justify staying so given that it's not exclusive to pisces, you can't make it about you. by doing so you're just being self-absorbed.

I agree that any woman from any sign can feel the same way and be in the same and similar situations, but I also think that Pisces might be more prone to it than others.
But my original point was that Pisces do not enjoy misery and we don't purposely try to get ourselves in bad situations because we want pain.. instead we try to help others who are in misery but sometimes end up getting in too deep and get lost while trying to help others that we end up hurting ourselves without even realizing it at first.

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and the comment in bold is why you're the opposite of virgo.

ie a virgo will see a person carrying a bag and will offer to help. why? cause virgos like to help and what the virgo saw as a person in need. never mind that the person is an able bodied individual carrying a sack of groceries to their car. to the virgo, helping can be like a fix and this need to help can cause a virgo to see helplessness where there is none.

my point to you is, maybe there isn't any misery to begin with? at least not to the point that you needed to "fix" a grown ass human being. ever think about that?

until you get that concept, you're not balanced and nor are you a mature representative of your sign. i don't have to be a pisces to know that as it's pretty much a rule for the entire zodiac.

what the virgo saw *is a person in need.

Posted by aPiscesPrincess

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean exactly.. but yes there was misery in my ex-bf. Without going into details, he told me about his childhood and I could feel his pain. But no, I didn't need to 'fix' him, and I shouldn't have tried to help or 'fix' him. He really needed to go to a psychologist for that. I just tried to show him love, that was my mistake though thinking that just loving him would solve all his problems. I know that now, but back then I didn't.

i mean what you just said.

every sign, in his/her immature state, will attempt to impose him/herself upon their partner in a negative manner. why/how we impose our will varies by sign but we've all done it in some form or fashion. i was too controlling and stubborn with my first love. you were too adaptable and trying too hard to be "ms. fix-it." in both our cases, our intent was genuine but look how it panned out? who cares what we intended if we acknowledge now it could've been handled better?

as to the OP, his gf is not an evolved pisces. if he merely wanted to know why, you all have told him potential "why's," but how does he help her elevate so that she realizes she doesn't have to bend so much is the question?

when i read his question, he's not simply saying, "why is she this way?" underlying that question is, "how do i get her to stop?"

Posted by phooey

no thats the thing, if u did understand then u would agree. and the reason why u will not understand is because youre a hard headed taurus woman who's set in her ways/thinking. plus im sure taurus, who are one of the most selfcentered and proud signs of the zodiac, cannot fathom the need to help others if they find that they are not required to. im not saying that pisceans are altruistic but at the end of the day they need to feel like they have done something nice for the world one way or another which makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. so regardless of how u compare virgos with us or how u try to analyze what we do and say, u will never know how a piscean mind works. i will agree about one thing though - what u said about the interchangeability about negative and positive traits. too much giving can be bad too... there needs to be a threshold.

LOL!

and i'm the dogmatic, negative, stubborn one?

believe it or not, not everyone will agree with negativity when they see it. understanding WHY a pisces does what he/she does is not the same as validating piscean actions.

you can choose to defend lesser representatives of your sign or you can stop being defensive. but you can't stop can you? neither can virgo. doesn't matter how far their heads are up their own asses either. it's a soul connection between the two of you. it's cute.

NEWSFLASH! every sign has positive and negative traits correct? where her intent may be positive, it is NEGATIVELY impacting her relationship otherwise, he wouldn't be here. pity you for not seeing it but eh, some fish have teeny tiiny brains.

ooooooh, and given the number of planets i have in my 12th, given the STRONG aspects between those planets, i understand you weirdos quite well which is why i have no qualms telling you when your bowls are dirty.

where are the bottom feeders!?!?! tell him how to clean her shit up!

I think the "greatest" gift you CAN give someone is to totally be your sincere self. I think she is forgetting herself in the midst and aura that is (you). Unless it's a deeper facet of her personality, likely she will eventually out-grow, or come to terms as her initial infatuation of you wanes to more realistic levels. Maybe there are other life, maturity or additional chart factors besides her sun sign, alone. At any rate, i don't feel this is the typical, healthy, mature piscean mind-set.

From my own perspective, there are (so) many other ways to enjoy & share life with people without being in "uber" service-mode. I know if someone were at my constant beck & call, always agreeing with me, no matter what, i would feel uncomfortable, too. In the end, you want to trust they are "strong-minded", "strong-willed" enough TO take a stand on those issues that may not sit right with them. If they ARE too okay with everything that surrounds you, (even the negative), then can you trust their own limits and values, in return? Something to think about ..

So, though i can empathize to a point, i really can't relate to the opening post, since I've never lost myself in another, to my own detriment. On the contrary a vital, healthy, strong relationship should (mutually) inspire and bring out greater confidence, self-esteem, autonomous opinions, etc, etc; all the more, as time passes.

At any rate, there does have to be a healthy (giving/receiving) kind of balance in "ANY kind" of successful relationship &
only time may tell as your own relationship with her grows. Much luck to you ..

^what that fish said.

Dear 117
I have studied this thread for several seconds
I have your answer
she knows deep down in her heart that you are a real puss.

Posted by LoveBucket
I have zero Pisces in my chart and have a question regarding the misery thing and, b/c we brought it up with Virgo -- the helping thing.

Could a Pisces do well with a person who brought no misery to the game, with a person who was happy and comfortable within theirself and in their demeaner, or do they need a person with misery because it makes the Fish feel useful to help with the misery.

And with the Virgo, could a Virgo do well with an independent and self-sufficent person who didn't need help though, we all could use some now and then help.

Is it the person who has bouts of misery and the person who needs help better matches for the Piscean and Virgo?

yes and no. i dont think they would seek out a broken soul for that purpose alone. i do however think that if via the relationship, if their partner appears to be broken, they will stay to help/fix their partner. who wouldn't? i think what makes pisces/virgo different is how long they're willing to continue helping/fixing. what makes it destructive, is the extent to which they go to help/fix.

for example...

in a healthy pisces/virgo, the fix/help will be just that...fixing/helping.

in an unhealthy one, the "fixing" from pisces can take the form of enabling. in virgo, it can take the form of nagging and nitpicking.

healthy/unhealthy, i think the intent is genuine but it can manifest itself negatively...as with any sign.

Posted by phooey
the point im trying to make is that is doesnt matter if its valid or not ya moron. they want to do good and even if it turns bad so what? who's to judge whether its valid or not anyway? every1's justice system is different... and besides, nothing is completely positive or negative when there are good intentions involved.

WHAT!?

an ex may go to the ends of the earth to get his/her lover back. they may love so intently that all they want to do is get this person to see that they deserve another chance. in your mind, this is positive. in the mind of the former lover, it could be STALKING!

i don't give a damn what your intent is. if your actions result in a negative, you do not get to justify or piddle away that reality simply because you FEEL deeply 😛

fuck ya feelings!

even if it seems negative, there always something positive about it and vice-versa.. didnt u say this yourself?

i said wrong is wrong, all day, every day. murdering an innocent doesn't stop being murder because you cried really really hard before you shot the gun.

and u say i have a tiny brain... geez. i know every sign has it's positives and negatives and that u think that we praise ourselves for having qualities thats common to any1 but my point is that, for fish, making soulful connections and helping the needy is practically their life... more so than other signs even if its common between them. any1 can cook but a chef shldnt have to feel good about it because others can do it too? gimme a break...

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your problem is that you presume the higher traits of your sign are automatic. they are not. there are those who do help the needy. and there are far more who spend quite a bit of time lamenting, feeling deeply and being pained by the world around them that they retreat from it. i believe they're supposedly swimming "down stream" and in a relationship, these types of fish take their partners down with them.

again, ain't shit to understand about toxic. toxic isnt positive for the person on the receiving end of someone else's shit. but hey, who cares if you make the people around you miserable if you didn't mean to do it.

again, DEFINITELY the opposite of virgo.

how the hell do you know that people don't remain toxic?

there are people who remain on drugs or are alcoholics, abusers, thieves...for decades! REALITY is a bitch aint? step into it before you post.

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which part of "good intentions" did u not get? murdering an innocent certainly doesnt fall under that, u twit.

there are people who convince themselves that they're doing their family a favor by murdering them. there are documented cases all the world over. sometimes the mother/father will off themselves. in other instances, they will go about creating a new life. in the end, they believe that their family is better off in heaven.

they had "good intentions." at least that's what they believed. no one gives a damn about what you intended to do. results and reality speaks for itself.

look, your OBVIOUS issues with me need to be sorted out but i know, your emotions are getting the best of you and therefore you can't help but post nonsensical horse shit. what the fuck does your previous comment have to do with anything?

you mean to tell me you're stating that there are good people in this world? omg! good people exist? are you fucking kidding me!??!

this post is about the OP's gf and it is my belief that she is NOT a mature piscean. either you're disagreeing with that premise or all this banter is due to the fact that you enjoy sucking my cock. wonder why that is eh?

lol...and you're a defensive piece of impotent shit. point?

the reality is, i have posted far more in praise of your sign than i have about the negative aspects. but because you're an ignorant fuck, because your TOXIC ass has chosen to approach me with nothing but venom, you can't see that now can you?

i dont even know who the hell you are. you clearly don't know who the hell i am. at the end of the day, take whatever false crap you've concocted with regard to your petty feelings getting hurt and step off me bitch!

what the fuck are you whining about anyway? you don't know. all you know is some time ago on some post that your ass can't even remember, you got served. and you've harbored that scorn...nurtured it...fed it little fish poo pellets so that every now and again, you can rear your wounded little head...not that head, the other one.

anyway, aint about me or you now is it? if you weren't so down stream, you'd recognize that.

yeah, your posts had NOTHING to do with the guy's girlfriend and like a twit, you felt that nefer needed you to defend her? HA! that bitch can handle her own. she's got enough moocow bitchitude in her to make it a certitude. so what are you on about? this isn't the first time you've emoted off topic. this aint got shit to do with what i said. this has to do with the fact that you're an immature fishy which pretty much answer's that cap's question.

YES! lower pisces does believe in revenge. they're catty little bitches who get their feelings hurt of the most trivial shit. one day he will be a man though. big and strong and won't lead with his feelings.

i'm entitle to my opinion am i not? oh that's right. you can't handle criticism...just like virgos. i wonder why that is?

lol...you're a liar too.

if i gave a fuck, i'd find a few posts for ya but either way, i appreciate your shutting the fuck up from now on. i mean, it's kinda fucked up that you would get on this dude's thread and spend 100% of your time addressing me while disregarding the FACT that my comments were on topic.

but hey, some people let their feelings get in the way when they post which is why the troll and offer nothing of relevance. i mean hell, damn me for sharing my opinion right and silly you for ignoring the fact that TG asked you a question a page back but hey, you didn't see that because you were concentrating on me. i wonder why that is?

it's probably because my e-cock is MASSIVE and you suck...you really, really suck.

Posted by caligula
HA! that bitch can handle her own. she's got enough moocow bitchitude in her to make it a certitude.

That's GOTTA be the coolest thing I've heard abut myself in awhile. Heh.

You know, Tubbz.. your "outsider observations" have merit, they really do. I cannot say for sure that THIS Pisces chick takes the Pisces adaptation "too far" -- to me it seemed rather mild, but Mr. Virgo here had never seen this before and just wanted to know if it's common for Pisces to do this, or if she's just "faking" it and "changing" as some sort of insincere game of pretend. Yes, I can tell she's young and unevolved.. but truly, there's nothing to be done about that. He can't "make it stop".. he can't "raise her up so she learns better".. Pisces adaptation is a natural characteristic that comes in many shades -- from the deepest, darkest, most self-destructive "bloody inanimate doormat" ...to the secure, evolved, strong-willed and -minded, but STILL change and adapt (more than the average Tau lol) Pisces. I certainly do not claim to be the epitome of evolved Pisces, but I definitely am not a bottom-feeder, and I still find myself changing and adapting.. incorporating new bits and pieces into the kaleidoscope whole that is ME. I'm not static, I'm ever-changing.

But what would you have him do, Tubbz? Dump her because she's still weak and unformed, leaving her at the mercy of someone with less noble intentions? Take her firmly in hand (like Daddy?) and force her to stop being herself? YOU know you cannot FORCE a Fish to change something they don't feel needs changed. And you will even have an uphill battle convincing them something needs changed - that knowledge comes from inside, from life experiences. Even if we knew for absolute certain that this Pisces chick is actually self-destructing and totally a lower Pisces.. there's nothing to be done here. She will "save herself" or she won't. She will grow and evolve, or she won't. This Virgo man would probably like a plan, a written To Do list of what to do to "help" her.. but there isn't one. Fortunately he seems to be the type who ISN'T so totally stoked on finding a girl so eager to please and malleable that he's likely to get his satisfaction from systematically enslaving or destroying her. Some young Pisces aren't so lucky.

what would i have him to do? that's not my job. that's yall's. i'm not the fish. i can't tell a fish how to evolve. i can simply recognize when something/someone isn't balanced.

i think regardless of sign, we all have to weather our own trials and those trials either make, break or keep us stagnant. with that said, if some wise person would've come to me at those pivotal junctures and shined a light on my negatives, i dont know what i would've done. maybe i would've been too immature to see it and change? i don't regret my past as i've learned with it but the path to maturity doesn't have to be walked alone.

and i agree, i don't think the OP's girl is ready to nail herself to a cross yet but i think she's constructing it...and it's a purty cross. maybe as long as she remains in the construction phase, that's the balance for pisces but the notion of someone adapting to appease UNNECESSARILY isn't healthy...not even for pisces. it may be easy for you to do, but just because it's easy doesn't make it right. in fact, maturity is more often about doing that which is difficult and contrary to our nature rather than going with the flow.

so if i were you all, i get explaining to him WHY she's doing it but i feel that if you love someone and you see them losing/harming themselves, you help them through life rather than watching/asking them to bend a little deeper.

Loved this thread...

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Posted by Nefer

Also, we ARE extremely accepting of other peoples' personality traits, AND harder on ourselves than we are on others. (We have to develop confidence in ourselves over time, rarely does it come naturally!) She sounds very much like a Pisces (young) woman. You say it's not "normal" to be so loving and accepting... but for a Pisces, it absolutely is. For an Aries or a Sag, probably not. The biggest problem with Pisces relationships is that we tend to end up with people who don't appreciate that.. or worse, exploit and manipulate us because of it.

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Don't abuse your Mermaid's infinitely giving nature - cherish it, for no one will ever love you like a Fish can. There's nothing WRONG with your sweet little Fish (that we can see yet) - she sounds so typically Pisces, and so lovely.

Awww yes that is so true 🙂 Most people can't understand that Pisces can be so giving of ourselves and loving, because a lot of people have never experienced love like that before. So they think when we try to do things to please them and go along with what they want, that we're not being true to ourselves or that we're just doing it to look nice. When in reality that's not the case at all.. it really does make us happy to make others happy, especially the ones we love.

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are all Pisces as horny as this one? ^^^