QUESTION FOR C/P

I HEAR YOU CAN'T BUY AMMO NOW BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT IS BUYING IT UP
TRUE OR FALSE?

My dad reloads his own ammo. Or used to anyway...he's more of a fisherman now 😛

One time (when i was young and stupid) some of my (boy) friends and I took some of his gunpowder, stuffed it into a toilet paper roll wrapped in duct tape with a fuse 😛

It made a really loud boom 😄

Scared the crap out of the cat lady across the street

I'M JUST GLAD YOU DIDN'T STUFF THE CAT

The guy that lit the fuse was a Capricorn, I remember

Didn't know yall could run so fast 😛

WE ARE QUITE QUICK WHEN
FAST ACTION IS CALLED FOR
ONE MUST BE CARFUL NOW WHEN ONE HAS EXSPLOSIVES YOU MAY BE TAKEN
FOR A TROUBLE MAKER.
I ONLY HAVE A SHOTGUN FOR VERMIN
POLITATIONS ARENT CONSIDERED VERMIN HERE.

I DO HAVE GRANDDADS OLD FLINT LOCK
BUT IT WOULD NOT BE WISE TO TRY TO FIRE IT
IT GOES BACK TO ABOUT 1775 YOU YANKS BEAT US BECAUSE OF YOUR style OF FIGHTING
HIDING BEHIND TREES WITH YOUR KENTUCKY LONG RIFLES
US WITH THE SHORT BARREL GO0D FOR ONLY ABOUT 75 YARDS
YOURS GOOD FOR 200
THE BRITISH BLOCK DID NOT WORK WELL IN THAT WAR.
OF COURSE WE DID QUITE WELL AGANST THE ZULU
BUT THEY ONLY HAD SPEARS.

AT ONE TIME WHEN IN SERVICE I WAS USING A BELGEM MADE 7.62/54
IT WAS A LEFT OVER FROM WWII
IT WAS A SNIPPER RIFEL
ANY OF YOUR HEARD OF THEM OR HAVE ONE?
WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT LOADS A 130 AND A 180 THE 180 LOAD DID QUITE WELL THE 130 NOT TO GOOD

ONE OF THE MISTAKES MADE WAS A SHIP LOAD
OF REINFORCEMENTS CAME IN THROW THE SOUTH TO GO NORTH AND HELP
TAKE WASHINGTON OUT
BUT INSTEAD THEY WERE TOLD TO GO WEST AND TAKE OUT ANOTHER GROUP WHO HAD
LEFT THE CROWN EARLYER
IN KENTUCKY
THESE MEN HAD THE LONG GUNS.

C/P & DJ
I HAVE A BELGIAN MADE 12 GAUGE MADE AROUND 1860 DOUBLE BARREL
BUT THE BARREL IS A DAMASCUS BARREL. IT WAS MADE FROM WIRE WOUND AROUND A SPENDAL. HEATED TO SEAL. PROBLEM EVEN THO ITS BLACK POWDER IS IT GETS RUST IN THE BARREL OVER TIME SO WOULD PROBULY BLOW APART IF FIRED.

MY FATHER WHO IS AMERICAN HAS ABOUT 25 PISTOLS RIFELS SHOT GUNS
HE HAS A PISTOL THAT SHOOTS 45 & 410 SHOTGUN SHELLS
ALSO A 303 ENFIELD
A 45/70 MARLIN RIFEL COULD TAKE DOWN A BISON I THINK
YOUR HAWKINS WAS MADE FOR THAT I BELIEVE.
OVER HERE WE FIND BISON IN THE U.S.A. AND BUFFLO IN AFERICA.

YES YOU SHOULD HAVE

I THINK I WILL JUST LEAVE IT OVER THE MANTEL
IT LOOKS GOOD AND I HAVE A SHOTGUN THAT
IS FINE FOR WHAT I DO.

Posted by iwin32

Posted by james tate
I HEAR YOU CAN'T BUY AMMO NOW BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT IS BUYING IT UP
TRUE OR FALSE?

Nonsense. This is just paranoia by the right wing of this country and their love for guns. This is what happens when you suspend disbelief and you forget about reality of the world.

Wow-- never thought I would see Democrats defending the Department of Homeland Security.

lol


House approves amendment to restrict DHS bulk ammo buys

The House of Representatives voted late Wednesday to prohibit the Department of Homeland Security from using taxpayer dollars to buy and stockpile ammunition until they provide a —comprehensive report?? to Congress on its ammunition usage, purchase history and contracting practices.

...
The House approved the amendment to H.R. 2217, Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act of 2014, by a 234-192 vote. Notably, eighteen democrats supported the amendment and only thirteen republicans opposed. Meadows cited concerns over the current practices and purchases of the Department as justification for the proposal.

—Earlier this year, we learned that DHS solicited bids for 1.1 billion rounds of ammunition,?? Meadows said in a statement.

—This is more than ten times the amount that the department purchased in fiscal year 2012.


link


😉

Posted by djbuck1
If the DHS is buying up massive quantities of ammunition (for whatever reason) then it would stand to reason that the producers would simply ramp-up production to meet all demand, right? This looks like a profit maximizer to me.

And the shortages that I have seen (and continue to see) include rounds the DHS is not buying-- at least as far as we know.

My understanding is that the government purchases (along with the threat of anti-gun legislation) are causing people to buy ammo at an unprecedented rate.

I'm sure there is more to it, but this is what I've gleaned from the news and from those I know who were, personally, having trouble finding it, themselves.

*shrugs*

🙂

LIKE I SAID I HAVE A SHOT
GUN BUT IF I USE IT IN MY HOUSE
AND WAS NOT SHOT FIRST
THEN I USED UNCALLED FOR FORCE ACORDING TO
MY GOVERAMENT.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD OUR PRISONS ARE
ADVANTAGE IN A SHOOT OUT TATE
BECAUSE MOST WHO BRAKE INTO HOMES HAVE PISTOLS
THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN LOOKING COOL
AND CANT HIT THE SIDE OF A BARN
LET THEM SHOOT FIRAST KEEP IN SHADOW
THEY NEED TO BE WITH IN 25 FEET TO HAVE ANY KIND OF A CHANCE
SHOTGUN GOD AT 50 FEET.

Got an early '30s bolt Model 33 Remington pea shooter. Been sitting in the closet forever.
I went down to the local range and they told me there's a shortage in .223lrs.

I am curious as to why the concept of opening a new plant to supply civilian demand, hasn't
occurred to anyone. Someone may say, it costs to start up a factory. True, but why don't legal
gun owners organize and collectively chip in? Obviously this concept would require a lot of
time and money as well as the political hurdles.

Politics is really behind the reasons why there's a shortage.
Try this on for size. The 2nd Amendment says that you have the right to keep and bear arms. - no disputing that. - What it DOESN'T say is that you have a right to ammunition. That's a glaring loophole. Of course, you can own a gun. But in order for it to operate as it was designed to do, you
need the ammunition. - All it's going to take, is someone considering THAT specific fact to pass a law that bans ammunition. - Next thought, IF you cannot ban ammo, then generate an artificial government demand that keeps the plants preoccupied filling government contracts. It's the new Domestic Arms Race strategy. Now what's stopping the importing of ammunition and reload supplies—

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/6/california-traditional-ammunition-ban-sent-to-senate-committee-suspense-file.aspx<BR>

One of the biggest problems in politics is how the people vote but don't really care. - It's like a saint on sunday and the devil for the rest of the week.

Communications. One critically important weapon ANY military would desire is quality communications network comprised of all means. But that's not enough. Reliable intelligence is really high. "Know your
enemy, know yourself" Know his strengths and weaknesses and your OWN strength and weaknesses: Sound strategy is based on intel., not ignorance. Infrastructure is another high value asset. The Allies
in WW2 did NOT win it based solely on the merits of the coordinated military at the front, but also
the awe inspiring coordination of manufacturing and manpower on the home front.
Recognizing the value of air superiority, FDR once said that "Hitler built a fortress around Europe - but he forgot to put a roof on it'. ", and that strategy was, and remains, another invaluable military asset. The art of diplomacy in all matters is a prerequisite in achieving the objective without compromising the many strengths that may be necessary to advancing such means so as accomplish the end.
Another is building far sighted alliances, that is, "Keeping your friends close but your enemies closer": You never know when an ally will betray you. Another, perhaps most critical, asset is Discipline.

Now, though what I have written is steeped in military history, the concept can be applicable in the modern socio-political sense. We know there are two major political parties. BOTH parties have their pros and cons. The enemy is the con, regardless the party. It used to be that journalists prized neutrality. Today, journalists prize bias or complacency. When one side, has the loudest mouthpiece,
the nation hears it, sends it's kids to college to teach the next generation. - The Liberal party has
the high ground in this respect. The Conservatives have the low ground and the differences is staggering. Nevertheless, the Media is mouth of the those that rule over those that believe it.
That it lacks self discipline, the seeds of destruction are planted daily into a society that applauds
with thunderous appraise.
The path the US is current on, is a path of ruin.
The people really do need to wake up, and smell yesterday's coffee.

SOME POLICE CARRY NOW USED TO BE THEY DID NOT.
BUT THINGS ARE GETTING WORSR HERE.
I THINK THE 9MM IS PERFERED I DON'T KNOW WHY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT THE POLICE THINK.
IF I WERE A OFFICER I THINK I WOULD WANT TO CARRY A 40 CAL GLOCK OR BERRITTA
MORE PUNCH

Posted by djbuck1
I agree with what I think is the main thrust of this thread that choking off ammunition is seen in some circles as a method of "gun control." But I also think that the current anti-gun mania has had the reverse effect of causing soaring demand for weapons and ammunition.

There is probably no other debate in the U.S., today, where form is so exalted over substance.

Indeed, Spook the gun enthusiast or gun rights activists and they mobilize. The trouble I am seeing
is they will mobilize on some issues but not others.
Society is a much larger work than individual issues. I personally believe that if a people truly
care about their country, they will be far more involved in the process - however, the Media is a BIIIIIG MOUTH and the wheel that squeals the loudest, gets the grease. Because the MEDIA IS liberal
in it's philosophies, the Big Mouth controls the course of the National Debate. - This IS very dangerous and the RIGHT had better figure out a way to put that loose cannon in check.

America's BIGGEST Problem is that "FREEDOM" is it's Achilles's Heel. It's a double-edged sword.
I THINK, and I may be wrong, but I think that exercising "Freedom" without exercising good judgement
and self-restraint is what brought the US to the place we are in now.
Another way of putting it, is "Unbridled freedom, without wisdom, is chaos"

Personally, I would advise a gun owner to carefully select his armory. Learn all the rules and laws.
Seek and maintain expert training. When and where possible, stock up on munitions which can easily
be replaced or reloaded. - Kinda think in the interchangeability frame of mind. This would help
keep financial and emotional costs down. - IF I have standard ammo I can use and my guns can shoot
that ammo, then we're good. Getting into the weird stuff really isn't my style . However, the problem
with sticking with Standard equipment is that there's always the chance for back-order. As we can see with the .223LR.
IMHO, there should be efforts made to produce or obtain ammunition. I think the Gun owners should seek this venture collectively to ensure their future supply - A gun's not much use with out it.

PS, almost forgot...
Sun Tzu's Art of War
The Conservatives should revisit and give thought to that adage... "Know your enemy, Knowe yourself"

SHORTAGE OF AMMO
I HEAR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS BUYING IT UP
YOU MENTION A .223 AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE RIFLE'S
AMMO IS MADE WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOADS FOR DIFFERENT GAME IS THIS TRUE?

I CARRED A 7.62X54 WHEN IN SERVICE FOR AWHILE FOR TARGET PRATIC WE HAD 130 GRAIN BUT FOR FIELD OPERSTIONS IT WAS 180 GRAN BIG DIFFERANCE ALSO HAD STEELBALL NOT LEAD . BRASS CASES MOST 130 GRAN WERE RELOADS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE STILL HAVE FLINT LOCKS NOT MUCH IN USE BUT HAVE BEEN IN THERE FAIENMLYS FOR 100 OR MORE YEARS SOME STILL FIRE HARD TO GET BLACK POWDER AND YOU DO NOT WANT TO TRY MODERN POWDER. RUST
IN THE BERRALS IS A PROBLEM.

Haha

MY FATHER WHO LIVES IN THE STATES HAS A 22 LIVER ACTION RIFLE A MARLON TUBE LOAD IT WAS MADE THE FIRST YEAR THEY MADE THEM. 1891 I HAVE SHOT IT IT IS DEAD ON AT 100 YDS IF YOUR A GOOD SHOT YOU CAN BULLS EYE EVERY TIME. HE HAS THE PAPER WORK ON THE GUN HIS FATHER BOUGHT IT $ 7.50 U.S.DOLLARS. HE SAYS THAT WAS OVER A WEEKS PAU BACK THEN A CLEANING KIT AND 100 ROUNDS CAME WITH IT.