What's your opinion on therapy (Page 2)

Posted by Wizardzzz
From reading the responses I think people expect too much from therapy and are disappointed. Maybe from watching Good Will Hunting 😆

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When we are brought up by cabbage patch virtue signalers, therapy is the only outlet. We all need an electron to force all this proton junk out otherwise the circuit overloads. Those cabbages are so stuck in their programming patch they only make it worse with their negative responses.

It's downright evil what has happened to us.

Posted by Bluemoon86

Posted by Wizardzzz
From reading the responses I think people expect too much from therapy and are disappointed. Maybe from watching Good Will Hunting 😆

How did you get that from anything that anyone said? And what is your personal opinion on therapy?

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Well you have 30/40 years of development and formation of neural pathways etc and sitting down with someone for an hour a month isn't going to change that. It's like learning a language, you might be able to say hello what's your name after the 1st session but it won't change much. I think therapists charge a lot of money so people expect them to be able to cure you like a doctor but your own attitude doesn't matter when you go to a doctor, as long as you take the prescribed medicine but with a therapist you have to be able to work with them - they can't just force changes in your brain. So, there's a lot of comments about the quality of therapists but really it's the quality of therapists, the quality of client and the quality of interaction/compatibility -3 criteria that need to be satisfied before it can have an effect and even then it's a gradual process. This makes it a very inexact science and if you are prone to find and focus on negative aspects then without a doubt you will be able to find that negativity which then acts as resistance and a barrier to any progress being made. Ironically, I think the best progress is usually made with clients who are relatively healthy minded to begin with, i.e the people who need it least

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Posted by Som
I have not ever tried it, but I see how people pay too much attention to it, so it became sort of religion. I also see how therapists themselves try to resist this trend and emphasize that to get a tattoo (see meme below) can be more healing and therapeutic than therapy. Or a style consultation. Or dancing. Or anything else. As they say, "Therapy for life, not life for therapy".

Real. I call it cathartic punishment. I don’t know what it’s really called or if it has a name. I think it’s people who drink extra dirty gin martinis. They’re certainly not drinking it for the taste 🤣 they want something bitter and aggressive to punish themselves.
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Deprivation is another way to do this

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Definitely. Fasting etc

I think therapy helps when it's actually therapeutic. As in, the therapist can have some insight into where your mind is going and from there, offer something to help you get there. Or discover what's making it difficult for you. Then again, with whatever blockage that you have, it's not a one size fits all. So seeking therapy, you either have a few options.

1. The therapists asks how you feel and then gives you surface tips n tricks that only help marginally

2. The therapists just talks about anything and you don't really address the root of the problem

3. The therapist tells you to start smaller and smaller such that it seems insignificant in theory, and then they don't hold you accountable the next time you see them. Rinse and repeat.

I think supplementing with a book is better because then you can break out the book in lieu of talking in circles. But.. do some people need a team of therapists? It seems like that to me.

Edit: I'm definitely guilty of not following any advice at all from therapists, so don't @ me 😂

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Posted by Wizardzzz
From reading the responses I think people expect too much from therapy and are disappointed. Maybe from watching Good Will Hunting 😆

How did you get that from anything that anyone said? And what is your personal opinion on therapy?
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Well you have 30/40 years of development and formation of neural pathways etc and sitting down with someone for an hour a month isn't going to change that. It's like learning a language, you might be able to say hello what's your name after the 1st session but it won't change much. I think therapists charge a lot of money so people expect them to be able to cure you like a doctor but your own attitude doesn't matter when you go to a doctor, as long as you take the prescribed medicine but with a therapist you have to be able to work with them - they can't just force changes in your brain. So, there's a lot of comments about the quality of therapists but really it's the quality of therapists, the quality of client and the quality of interaction/compatibility -3 criteria that need to be satisfied before it can have an effect and even then it's a gradual process. This makes it a very inexact science and if you are prone to find and focus on negative aspects then without a doubt you will be able to find that negativity which then acts as resistance and a barrier to any progress being made. Ironically, I think the best progress is usually made with clients who are relatively healthy minded to begin with, i.e the people who need it least
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I think most are dealing with childhood trauma and scars, not 30/40 years of stuff. If they never healed or dealt with their childhood trauma, they can carry this as baggage into adulthood. Such behavior like seeking attention through negative behaviors would then continue. It’s when you awaken yourself to it.


With my therapist, we bounce ideas off of each other. She has given me some tips that were helpful, but I could have gotten these tips through some self-help books or research or through friends.

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Yeh and what does childhood trauma cause? It causes you to self-sabotage and make bad choices and avoid a lot you shouldn't and get involved with a lot of things you shouldn't. So then later in life you look back at all those poor choices you made. So you are dealing with the cause AND effect, which is 30 or 40 years, depending how old you are

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Posted by Som
I have not ever tried it, but I see how people pay too much attention to it, so it became sort of religion. I also see how therapists themselves try to resist this trend and emphasize that to get a tattoo (see meme below) can be more healing and therapeutic than therapy. Or a style consultation. Or dancing. Or anything else. As they say, "Therapy for life, not life for therapy".

Real. I call it cathartic punishment. I don’t know what it’s really called or if it has a name. I think it’s people who drink extra dirty gin martinis. They’re certainly not drinking it for the taste 🤣 they want something bitter and aggressive to punish themselves.
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Deprivation is another way to do this
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Definitely. Fasting etc

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Anorexia, in the extreme case

What I always wanted to have since I was a teenager was not a therapist but an old and wise soul like a character from lotr to guide me through life and tell me it's going to be alright whenever I'm struggling. I guess that's how some people imagine jesus or god 😄

I have never tried therapy.

From what I’ve seen in others, I believe it helps some people, but maybe not all.

Probably.

I just took a piece of paper & pen & started self-..making it make sense.

So far - some THING , has been answering me & enlightening me on wtf is going on.

In forms of : thoughts/visions coming to mind.

& i write it down & then ask next question, same thing.. repeat 17.000 times & now we are woke.

I calm this "thing" = God

Posted by wildASF_tommy90
Probably.


I just took a piece of paper & pen & started self-..making it make sense.


So far - some THING , has been answering me & enlightening me on wtf is going on.


In forms of : thoughts/visions coming to mind.


& i write it down & then ask next question, same thing.. repeat 17.000 times & now we are woke.


I calm this "thing" = God

Have you ever looked into Crowley? This (automatic writing) is how he developed Thelema. He called God "Aiwass"

Posted by MidAtBest

Posted by wildASF_tommy90
Probably.

I just took a piece of paper & pen & started self-..making it make sense.

So far - some THING , has been answering me & enlightening me on wtf is going on.

In forms of : thoughts/visions coming to mind.

& i write it down & then ask next question, same thing.. repeat 17.000 times & now we are woke.

I calm this "thing" = God

Have you ever looked into Crowley? This (automatic writing) is how he developed Thelema. He called God "Aiwass"

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Ye its the same shit, regardless how u name it.

Its the same how Nicola Tesla got most of his ideas with/from.

Posted by Polyannanana
What I always wanted to have since I was a teenager was not a therapist but an old and wise soul like a character from lotr to guide me through life and tell me it's going to be alright whenever I'm struggling. I guess that's how some people imagine jesus or god 😄

Thatd be sick, id choose Thorin Oakenshield

Posted by hermitcrab
I grew up Pentecostal though.

I'm still processing this 😳 you've become a fine mature my love xD ♥️

Posted by MidAtBest
I thought it was pathetic "paying for someone to care" when I was a kid (saw lots of therapists between 15-18 bc the school necessitated it, two suicide attempts at two different high schools), and all therapists ever did was teach me breathing exercises, talk about what's new and stressful in my life and how I plan to cope with it. We've never discussed my fundamental nihilism that esp existed before I had ghost experiences or believed in astrology. (I didn't believe till I was like 24 and came here) We never discussed my social impairments that led me to believe I'll never be married. (Inb4 "you won't bc you're too ugly") We never discussed the fact that I had sought this relationship with a physically, sexually and financially abusive man when I was 15 and he was 18. They were just like "it's your fault, you can leave, it's legal in this state, just practice socializing w/o manipulating people into friendship via suicide attempts".


I got out of the psych ward early the first time by lying and saying it was "purely histrionic". I got out of rehab the second time early by answering every question with "I'm fine, nothing new". I graduated rehab severely anorexic weighing 85 lbs. They were like "not our problem, we deal w addiction"


I went back to therapy through EAP in 2022 by choice, after I had great insurance and benefits I wanted to make the most of them, having never had insurance before. I've had the same therapist ever since. I thought she was an idiot bc she would give me horrible advice like "sue the fortune 500 company you work at" & tell me about her own problems half our early sessions (she was also a teen mom, & I'm kind of traumatized by that demographic) but I couldn't leave her bc she liked me sm & bc she looks like Alexandra daddario. When I ran out of the 5 free annual sessions, I stopped seeing her, then March '24 I was put on mental health leave from work and hit her up again just so she'd give me a reference to go back. She loved me and complied, and eventually has won me over although she thinks I'm kind of a hoe who needs my coworkers approval to a retarded degree. She really won me over when she said "my in-laws are POS Christians" and I had never said a word about Christians 😂 she just made that assumption correctly lmao. Now we meet like once every month and a half for 5-15 mins and just riff. I pay $ 50 for it. When I started DBT here she's like "watch out if your therapist is a woman, yk how those bitches are."


I don't like my DBT therapist who I see weekly bc she's kind of controlling with no sense of humor and says "ahhhh" in a condescending coo-voice any time I trauma dump, like my mom does. I hate the tinniness of that sound, about to be rude and ask her to not. Rn we've been spending sessions reading a packet about the history of DBT. She's $ 60/session.


Straight up I've never had a therapist who I thought intelligence-mogged me. All my psychiatrists did though, I love my current one, she's a sassy bitch. My therapist who I like (Shelly) was born in December, I'll have to find out her chart & our synastry. She bad


Basically I think the value of therapy is that they try to steer you in the right direction, and sometimes it empowers you to take their advice. Like when she advised me not to try to smash my friend Katie's recent ex-fiance

really sorry to hear about your experiences you have certainly had a rough time. I won't pretend to understand that because i have not gone through the half of what you have.

But i know there is a huge gap in the requirements ethically and educationally between psychiatrists and therapists.

Psychiatrists are medical doctors who take an oath etc go through pre med then medical school then speciailize. Therapists are totally diff and there are a meriad of ways into that profession. Referals are based on who you know. If you know someone in the system and impress them they will give you referrals getting registered as a therapist or accepted on a 2 yr course is something anyone can do.

Dont let them invalidate you.

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Posted by hermitcrab
My church is really strict about marriage lol. You can’t show up to any church or community events with someone of the opposite sex unless you’re engaged or married. Otherwise, you’re living in sin.

Holy mackerel. What's your denomination?
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The church only identifies as evangelist.

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This church sounds immature.

How long do the pastors have to train—

I mean catholic priests have to train at least 10 yrs possibly more.

I think when people have been going to therapy and doing the work... but not seeing results ... they let the system or therapist make them feel like they are a lost cause. When in fact they are not a lost cause.

There are a lot of clock watchers in the industry. They are there for the check.

In reality its the therapists failure if therapy doesnt work for the patient never the other way around particularly if the patient is genuinely trying. The therapist is untalented. They dont have the knack.

Instead of accepting their professional failure they put it on to the patient. And dont get me wrong good therapists have a very high failure rate. But that is the reality.

So no.. i dont believe in it. I believe in spiritual and social transformation of families couples and individuals.

IF therapy works .. dont be fooled its the patient doing the work.

People say its the quality of the client /patient etc. Well then .. what is the point of handing over 150 dollars /euros per session??

Is it worth the money with such a high failure rate? Um no. Quite simply no its not worth the money. I think people could use that money more efficiently and improve their lives more permanently in other ways. Sorry to offend any therapists I am sure its a very frustrating job.

But .. when it comes to the dollar /euro .. its not worth it. If it were free .. sure it would be worth trying.

Im almost afraid to say this tho.. because it can put people off trying .. when they might have some benefit ..and i dont mean self improvement or trying to get better is a lost cause. Not at all.

Just you have to do it.

I have done it three times. The cost varied from between 80 euros per half hr to 150 per half hour. And I had one guy to pushed it to really 150 mins per 20 mins.

Also I found out my psychiatrist ended up bribing another patient 50 thousand euro to not report something to the medical council and it was in the national papers. It was kinda funny the medical councel didnt strike him off but said the patient could keep the money ... so it was kind of karma. I was like why couldnt he bribe me?? I also felt he didnt keep me safe in the waiting room as he had some potentially dangerous other patients. It was obvious.

I should say health insurance doesnt cover therapy here .. and its expensive now about 200 euros for a half hr for a psychiatrist and maybe 50 /100 for a therapist. When you consider you must go really once a week or once every two weeks to really have effective therapy its hard to see how that money couldnt be more effective in helping your life in other ways.

I mean 400 a month .. can pay a lot of bills. It could pay one quarter of some people's mortgage. It can feed you. It can pay for a gym membership or allow you to go out. All of which provide mental stability.

And tbh the real thing was that doctor's waiting room being so dangerous.

I had a nightmare last night that my DBT therapist requested that I enroll with 2 other therapists for different specializations/services (but still nothing but annoying questions), then one requested I enroll with an additional therapist. Then I got into another financial crisis (a theme of my recent nightmares) and had to end services for cost reasons, not to mention lack of time. It turned out one of the therapists cost me like 30k for cancelling or some shit and it would be difficult to cancel w the others. Scammy shit

I feel great recently but idk how much therapy low-key has to do w it but it pisses me off rn honestly, I'm about to work the next ten days in a row and who knows when I'll be able to sleep. I'm doing it for the suffocating female members of my family, and so I don't get put on workplace mental health leave again. So far the club culture is excellent and a good fit, doesn't make me want to end my life at work, hang from a rafter somewhere for some bully to find me

reading every self-help, human psychology books/online articles i could get my hands on has helped me a lot more than going to therapy.

also swearing helped me release suppressed rage quicker than any therapy ever could lol you just scream FUCK!!! a couple times into thin air when no one is around and just go on with your day like nothing happened lol try it.

swearing is cheaper than therapy too 😂 lol

I'm dumping both of these bitches today.