MrFirebird
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Psycho-Emotional Abuse v Physical Abuse
Posted by MrFirebird
However, the woman might verbally abuse the man. Nagging, put downs, etc. until one day... he snaps and
any and all potential for violence to follow dramatically increases.
Nothing is ever said about the psychological or emotional abuse perpetrated by the woman before the man
snapped and hauled off and slapped her.
I may be out of the loop, here, but are there any laws against psychological and emotional abuse?
I guess if the man were locked into a windowless/doorless room and this went on relentlessly, I might (might) understand. Anything short of that he isn't a man if he raises a hand to a woman. Walk out the door, or call 911 so that you can and never look back. No excuses, ever.
Yes, psychological and emotional abuse are bad. The person can always leave. Sorry, I don't think a person can justify violence because someone called them names and nagged them. Doesn't fly.
I'm definitely going to contribute to this thread as I'm gathering my thoughts lol.
I will say this. Physical abuse is clear and not ambiguous. Psychological abuse exists in the part that can't be explained. But honestly, the latter is the root of the former as physical abuse is just a projection of ones thoughts. So which is worse? To me psychological is more dangerous.
Ok, having read everyone's reply, I must add a bit more.
There's physical abuse and there's psychological and emotional abuse.
Of those three types, each can be and has been applied to the following:
Spousal/domestic abuse
Child abuse
Parental abuse
Elderly abuse
Animal abuse
Social abuse (abuse of or abuse by co-workers and fellow citizens)
Citizenry abuse (abuse of or abuse by local, state and federal government agencies and the media)
Consumer abuse (abuse of or abuse by corporations, including insurance agencies)
Environmental abuse
Inanimate object abuse
Self-abuse
note: text in "()" elaborates for further clarification
In my initial post, I am obviously thinking of domestic abuse, the expansion, above, implies that
such abuse is not limited to domestic abuse and can be found all over the place in life.
People get on their self-righteous high-horse and are quick to condemn others that fall into abusive
patterns, without considering what actually may have caused them to fall into those patterns of bad behavior.
In my mind, that condemning spirit could also be labeled as being abusive. Yes, I am micro-analyzing the subject.
Inasmuch as a man abusing a woman is not a man, a woman abusing a man is not a woman. Parents who abuse their children
are not parents, and children who abuse their parents are not children. And so on....
Make sense?
There's physical abuse and there's psychological and emotional abuse.
Of those three types, each can be and has been applied to the following:
Spousal/domestic abuse
Child abuse
Parental abuse
Elderly abuse
Animal abuse
Social abuse (abuse of or abuse by co-workers and fellow citizens)
Citizenry abuse (abuse of or abuse by local, state and federal government agencies and the media)
Consumer abuse (abuse of or abuse by corporations, including insurance agencies)
Environmental abuse
Inanimate object abuse
Self-abuse
note: text in "()" elaborates for further clarification
In my initial post, I am obviously thinking of domestic abuse, the expansion, above, implies that
such abuse is not limited to domestic abuse and can be found all over the place in life.
People get on their self-righteous high-horse and are quick to condemn others that fall into abusive
patterns, without considering what actually may have caused them to fall into those patterns of bad behavior.
In my mind, that condemning spirit could also be labeled as being abusive. Yes, I am micro-analyzing the subject.
Inasmuch as a man abusing a woman is not a man, a woman abusing a man is not a woman. Parents who abuse their children
are not parents, and children who abuse their parents are not children. And so on....
Make sense?
I am reminded of the Mary Winkler story. The Preacher's wife who shot her husband in the back and apparently got away with it.
Her defense? "he was abusing her".
Something is wrong with that picture.
In a nation that like racial equality, espouses gender equality, Winkler should have been given at least a life sentence,
if not the death penalty.
At this time, and to my knowledge, Jodie Arias now awaits the verdict for her crime.
Her defense? "he was abusing her".
Something is wrong with that picture.
In a nation that like racial equality, espouses gender equality, Winkler should have been given at least a life sentence,
if not the death penalty.
At this time, and to my knowledge, Jodie Arias now awaits the verdict for her crime.
Posted by TheLadyScorpio
Well, nobody was really getting on any self righteous high horse, but if one was to go the other extreme and never condemn, only to empathize in every aspect in regards to the way that makes the abuser and abused the way they are, then it would only be but a never ending circle with no conclusion. Why must it be condemnation, when it could be but the matter of circumstantial thinking of what is supposedly right and wrong, are you saying one is judgmental but standing on one side in which they believe in? So then, that means there should not be anything morally wrong per se, because one would go on and question the morals themselves?
You started off general and now, in micro form, but by going on further into detail you are only taking things out of context, no? At least without a tangible, existential and real life example to work with on hand, this is but pondering that leads to possibly no where?
(Simply thinking a loud)
No, I am not taking anything out of context, only adding to it. And it IS in context.
You illustrated what the media does in terms of reporting a developing story, then the talking heads kick-in
then whatever the conclusion, they will hash that to death. BUT NEVER do they explain the cause and effects.
Which is why I don't spend too much time watching those programs other than a momentary pause during channel surfing
filtering the talking head's BS from the facts.
Posted by tiziani
I'm interested in what is everyone's conclusion, or solution. Speculation is cool, but what would you do if you knew two people in an abusive relationship... stand to one side, help out?
Well, if one has to make the situation of personal reference and not of general pondering then...
In the wise words of someone whom I had known in the past, an elderly mentor. Sometimes it is better to leave things where they are, even as much as you should want to help, by intervening, by taking action, it may be the very thing that should add oil to fire, causing an explosion. By siding, with either parties, they will cling on, causing the other to despise you, after all who can truly acts as a mediator in such a circumstance? For if one is not a professional nor if one is not a person of experience, then that person might bring cause to put themselves in a potential dangerous and volatile situation.
Unless if it were to get to an extreme, as an 'outsider' who cannot possible know of the intricate ongoings within any abusive relationship, then one should possibly make a call of emergency, or perhaps other immediate means that would seem appropriate for the situation. If it was not life or death, then the only other rational a person can do is listen, and if both parties were friends then, that is the only wise thing to do, people underestimate the power of an willing and patient ear, but often such venting and talking things out, even if it does not solve the problems of those individuals involved, it does relieve if temporary the stress in which they are in, if that is the only way to give relief, a slight break, a minimal escape then that is what I would do.
To take their situation upon as my own, would be too much a burden and responsibility which I would surely be unable to carry, much less the stress and emotions that may be triggered which i may or may not have to suffer through too. Instead of digging into the core, I would help with a friendly, empathizing and/or sympathizing hand but at a distance. At the end of the day, it is still to my believe (on general terms) on those who choose to change and help themselves, will, nobody said otherwise and nobody can do so otherwise. That is all really, I think...
The "high-horse" remark is directed to the observed finger pointing that I have observed countless times.
Finger pointing that does no good except make the pointer feel better about him or herself. But alas, I think
within myself, of those pointers... 'life is not over and there always stands the chance that you, yourself may
one day find yourself in a similar situation.'
For that reason alone, I don't worship cops, firemen, doctors, or military personnel. That's just more political
mumbo jumbo politicians use to make themselves feel better.
Tizi,
I think that stepping in is not unreasonable only IF you see the potential for immediate danger for either party.
Otherwise, a simple word of wisdom for the both them and be on your way. In either case, you are the spectator and
taking sides can be just as hazardous for you as it is for the two in dispute.
IF I had my way, and knew that I could get away with it... I'd shoot 'em both and say... come back in your next life
when you can learn to get along! - 😉
Finger pointing that does no good except make the pointer feel better about him or herself. But alas, I think
within myself, of those pointers... 'life is not over and there always stands the chance that you, yourself may
one day find yourself in a similar situation.'
For that reason alone, I don't worship cops, firemen, doctors, or military personnel. That's just more political
mumbo jumbo politicians use to make themselves feel better.
Tizi,
I think that stepping in is not unreasonable only IF you see the potential for immediate danger for either party.
Otherwise, a simple word of wisdom for the both them and be on your way. In either case, you are the spectator and
taking sides can be just as hazardous for you as it is for the two in dispute.
IF I had my way, and knew that I could get away with it... I'd shoot 'em both and say... come back in your next life
when you can learn to get along! - 😉
Posted by BikerCh1ckPosted by MrFirebird
In a nation that like racial equality, espouses gender equality, Winkler should have been given at least a life sentence,
if not the death penalty.
Death penalty?
Yes I understand that shooting is not the right thing to do. However, IF calling the police or doing any other alternative was an option She should have got a small punishment. Was it self defense?
click to expand
He was unarmed, shot in the back. - death penalty fodder if it were a man having done that.
I believe in equality - make it fair... make it even.
Another thing, IF a woman has a right to kill her baby then a man has a right to smoke, dammit.
A man should be allowed to say... "IT'S MY BODY!" and not be judged in the least.
He shouldn't have to be forced to wear seatbelts, or wear a helmet, either.
Yes, I am having an off day. Only slept for 3 hours.
Hmmm.... maybe some coco crispies will make me happy.
Posted by BikerCh1ckPosted by TheLadyScorpioPosted by BikerCh1ckPosted by tiziani
That is a truly dangerous undertaking to take on, who knows if the repercussions of leaving will truly benefit the 'victim' in the end? There are far too many questions involved and anomalies
When approaching you should NOT take initiative to control the situation. You are there to listen and show the options.
If you still want to stay on the safe side encourage the person to call the helpline. They KNOW how to deal with it and they also know how to deal with the "anomalies".
How do I know? Because I was a victim of DV. I know first hand.
I have also spoken with other victims of DV and I know they would have agreed with me.click to expand
Hmm, I could pull up personal experiences to highlight and reinforce why my opinions are the way they are but being the Scorpion that I am, it would be highly uncomfortable to share here, besides those are my view only and there are more than one circumstance surround abuse for there are many types of it, the plethora of situations that may exists are but vast.
Like tiz, what I had written was not an attack upon anyone (nor you for that matter, I had not known of your past experience, my apologizes there but I write not to cater to others but to offer my point of view in regards to the topic at hand) but they were my thoughts taken as if I were to take an objective perspective upon a situation, my pondering only. As expressed in my former post on page 2, I did say listening was the best 'help' once could ever offer because true help is not possible unless the person themselves, chooses to step out and reach the proper sources to guide them unto the pathway which would prove to be best.
Personal experiences, not upon me but situations which I was forced into, and had to make the decision which tiz had proposed the page previously.
Posted by LetltB
I guess if the man were locked into a windowless/doorless room and this went on relentlessly, I might (might) understand. Anything short of that he isn't a man if he raises a hand to a woman. Walk out the door, or call 911 so that you can and never look back. No excuses, ever.click to expand
...and yes, a woman isn't a woman if she raises a hand (or a shotgun and shoots) to a man. Works both ways. My bad for not stipulating it.
Posted by BikerCh1ck
@MrFirebird
Go get those coco crispies. 😉
A woman has the right to kill the baby because she is the one that will go through the pain of birth.
If we were seahorses, where the male shares the pregnancy, then by all means it would have been equal for both to have an opinion on the matter.
Just because that guy was unarmed doesn't mean that he was right.
When my ex was trying to choke me I was lots of times in danger to have been killed. He was unarmed. I was tiny in comparison with him and could not defend myself. I was lucky that he didn't press that much. I wouldn't have been here right now posting. Was he less dangerous because he didn't carry a weapon? A weapon can be anything. My ex used a screw driver that he put on my neck to threaten me.
I, for one, will NEVER recommend abortion. There ARE consequences that override a pathetic nation's laws.
Just because a nation says it's ok to do this or that, doesn't always mean it's right.
Not all abortions are in the name of the mother's safety - it's more like... in the name of her selfishness.
In the minds of many, such a woman only reduces herself further into the abyss.
As for the murdered preacher. He was wrong for doing the things that led to his murder, She also confessed that
she did some things too to aggravate him. Even so.... his wife had absolutely ZERO right
to take his life. She shot in the back while he slept.
The day WILL come when she shall face the consequences coming to her. In the very least, she should have received life without parole. Having been allowed to go free only sets a bad example for others of lesser scruples,
saying "Don't like your husband? Kill him, we'll let you go with a smile". For all we know, Mary Winkler could have
had a secret lover and found a way to eliminate her marriage. - only she and God knows.
That she got her kids, following her release, sends an even MORE profound foul message.
Ironically, she's a Sag, he was a Scorp.
Stinger, et al.
This is a good read.
http://www.shrink4men.com/2010/10/27/can-men-be-abused-by-women/<BR>
A conversation with a friend came to this conclusion, we men are screwed no matter what we do.
Women are afforded the luxury of "being the victim", real or imagined.
We men must ALWAYS take the high road, no matter how painful it is. That is how many of us are raised.
Particularly those of us raised by an older and wiser generation.
Granted women are taught to some extent to behave a certain way. In older generations, you will find
more ladies than you will in younger generations. Likewise also, you will find more gentlemen in older
generations than you would in younger generations. OF all generations, the younger people will be much
more crude and unrefined, opposed to their older counterparts, as they mature, they shed the insecurities
and immaturity that plagued them in their younger years.
That said, for men, there are some basic rules that we are all EXPECTED to live by
Here are just a couple of examples:
IF you hit a woman, you're not a REAL man.
IF you are not "Chivalrous", you're not a REAL man.
IF you do this line of work or that line of work, you're not a REAL man.
IF you do not do your job satisfactorily, you're not a REAL man.
IF your spouse or girlfriend makes more money than you, you're not a REAL man.
IF you have a small penis, you're not a REAL man.
IF you have a high pitched voice, you're not a REAL man.
IF you never served, you're not a REAL man.
and On and on and on.....
it's goofy vain pride driven by nutty modern Social Expectations....
(A man is verbally abused by his wife and called a sissy or worse.
A man that leaves an abusive wife is called a sissy or worse.
He can't win. IMHO, leave her. Don't need a triflin' woman on my main line.)
It's all called psychological BS that does more harm than good and is simply non-productive.
Say what you will, push someone's button hard enough and sooner or later, something happens
and it may NOT be what you were expecting.
You may have the whole world side with you in your opinion, but it won't do you any good if you
light the firecracker that can cost you your life. Better think long and hard before playing those
stupid head games.
This is a good read.
http://www.shrink4men.com/2010/10/27/can-men-be-abused-by-women/<BR>
A conversation with a friend came to this conclusion, we men are screwed no matter what we do.
Women are afforded the luxury of "being the victim", real or imagined.
We men must ALWAYS take the high road, no matter how painful it is. That is how many of us are raised.
Particularly those of us raised by an older and wiser generation.
Granted women are taught to some extent to behave a certain way. In older generations, you will find
more ladies than you will in younger generations. Likewise also, you will find more gentlemen in older
generations than you would in younger generations. OF all generations, the younger people will be much
more crude and unrefined, opposed to their older counterparts, as they mature, they shed the insecurities
and immaturity that plagued them in their younger years.
That said, for men, there are some basic rules that we are all EXPECTED to live by
Here are just a couple of examples:
IF you hit a woman, you're not a REAL man.
IF you are not "Chivalrous", you're not a REAL man.
IF you do this line of work or that line of work, you're not a REAL man.
IF you do not do your job satisfactorily, you're not a REAL man.
IF your spouse or girlfriend makes more money than you, you're not a REAL man.
IF you have a small penis, you're not a REAL man.
IF you have a high pitched voice, you're not a REAL man.
IF you never served, you're not a REAL man.
and On and on and on.....
it's goofy vain pride driven by nutty modern Social Expectations....
(A man is verbally abused by his wife and called a sissy or worse.
A man that leaves an abusive wife is called a sissy or worse.
He can't win. IMHO, leave her. Don't need a triflin' woman on my main line.)
It's all called psychological BS that does more harm than good and is simply non-productive.
Say what you will, push someone's button hard enough and sooner or later, something happens
and it may NOT be what you were expecting.
You may have the whole world side with you in your opinion, but it won't do you any good if you
light the firecracker that can cost you your life. Better think long and hard before playing those
stupid head games.
It's better for a man to live alone in the wilderness than in a great house with a contentious woman.
I believe that 100%
I believe that 100%
Posted by everevolvingepithet
Easiest solution is to remember the phrase 'Well, you're no oil painting' with these types.🙂
No, I'm oil painting, that's for sure. But I AM an artist.
LOL
Posted by everevolvingepithet
I guess to cointer such comments one could also come back with "What have you done/would you do for a tootsie roll?".
😄
But that makes such things tit for tat and is oh so terribly uncouth.😛
Uncouth for sure. Have you ever seen a tootsie roll floating in a swimming pool?
That's what I should have asked when she asked me what I could have done differently.
PS regarding oil painting... excuse my omission of the word "not" as in No, I am not a oil painting. But I AM an artist.
I am just not with it, anymore... I've been slackin' royally on my punctuation, spelling and word inclusion.
That didn't used to be a problem. Oh, well, you only live once.
I am just not with it, anymore... I've been slackin' royally on my punctuation, spelling and word inclusion.
That didn't used to be a problem. Oh, well, you only live once.
Posted by everevolvingepithet
tbh I wouldn't care too much, I'd just jump up and down and go "wtf I don't care, mines a 7ish'er woo hoo!! If you don't believe me ask that Bruno Mars dude (nothing weird going on there, jussayin'!'
😄
ummmm sounds like something weird goin on, nevertheless.
Honestly, E, I don't know how the people of England can stand the cameras all over the place.
The moral depravity of it all.
The moral depravity of it all.
Posted by Stinger Baby also if you make babies but dont do a damn thing for them, you're so not a man. you're a coward...
Let's not forget about the viciousness of women who PURPOSELY alienate the children from the father's out there and tell the children their father don't give a shit about them. They would be the egg donors, and no better in fact worse pieces of shit. Let's also not ignore the alarming rate of abusive mothers as well as all the children murdered by their mothers in the last five years. Neglect is another biggie.
I was raised by a man who was raised by a man who was born in 1857. I think had I been raised by a younger generation,
things would be a lot different. But as it stands, I can clearly see the dumbing down of America, let alone,
the rest of the world. Many of the old ways have been lost. And, I seriously doubt that those ways which were an absolute necessity for the building UP of this nation, will ever come back around, again, in my lifetime. But as I had stated before, there are consequences for the choices we make, as men, as women, as a community, as a nation.
For example, in the days leading up to war in Iraq, people were bloodthirsty for revenge. NOT justice.
That concept comes from Idiotsville.
I remember them say "Let's Roll". I said "War is Hell! Don't ask for hell on earth!" Nobody listened.
And now, we have witnessed War vets committing suicide at a historic rate.
In like manner, a woman that pushes a man's button ought to be mindful of the potential consequences.
I think about a lot of the stories I see here. Oh so and so is so sexy.... blah, blah, blah. He is such a gentleman... blah blah, blah. then comes the frustrated woman's "why this?" and "why that?"... blah blah blah. Next thing you know, that once sexy thing gets ugly. Before women get too quick to judge a man, they should be mindful of the saying "The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world" That is to say Women, in all your pride and self-righteousness, if you abuse your children,
there stands the potential that they will commit crimes, even destroy their own future, when they are older. So much for your self-righteous thinking.
All of that and all of the problems this western society now faces, is summed in this wisdom:
Train up a child in the way he should go that when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Knock on wood.
things would be a lot different. But as it stands, I can clearly see the dumbing down of America, let alone,
the rest of the world. Many of the old ways have been lost. And, I seriously doubt that those ways which were an absolute necessity for the building UP of this nation, will ever come back around, again, in my lifetime. But as I had stated before, there are consequences for the choices we make, as men, as women, as a community, as a nation.
For example, in the days leading up to war in Iraq, people were bloodthirsty for revenge. NOT justice.
That concept comes from Idiotsville.
I remember them say "Let's Roll". I said "War is Hell! Don't ask for hell on earth!" Nobody listened.
And now, we have witnessed War vets committing suicide at a historic rate.
In like manner, a woman that pushes a man's button ought to be mindful of the potential consequences.
I think about a lot of the stories I see here. Oh so and so is so sexy.... blah, blah, blah. He is such a gentleman... blah blah, blah. then comes the frustrated woman's "why this?" and "why that?"... blah blah blah. Next thing you know, that once sexy thing gets ugly. Before women get too quick to judge a man, they should be mindful of the saying "The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world" That is to say Women, in all your pride and self-righteousness, if you abuse your children,
there stands the potential that they will commit crimes, even destroy their own future, when they are older. So much for your self-righteous thinking.
All of that and all of the problems this western society now faces, is summed in this wisdom:
Train up a child in the way he should go that when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Knock on wood.
Therefore, women, if you do not want to get pregnant, use your head and abstain. Mothers, if you wish to improve the
world, do all that you can to raise your children right. And respect the children's father where respect is due.
Men, do likewise. Do it not, and be abusive, the consequences will come, and not the hoped for rewards.
A woman cannot adequately raise a child to that child's fullest potential on her own. She needs a man with a sound mind,
to fill in the blanks.
Both men and women, you are not only responsible for your OWN children, but for the children of others.
Single people, likewise also, you are responsible for the influential impression you make on the children of others.
Words are one thing and actions speak louder than words. The best advice I know is to be on your best behavior at
all times. The future is waiting, how we act and treat one, another, today, determines our future, tomorrow.
world, do all that you can to raise your children right. And respect the children's father where respect is due.
Men, do likewise. Do it not, and be abusive, the consequences will come, and not the hoped for rewards.
A woman cannot adequately raise a child to that child's fullest potential on her own. She needs a man with a sound mind,
to fill in the blanks.
Both men and women, you are not only responsible for your OWN children, but for the children of others.
Single people, likewise also, you are responsible for the influential impression you make on the children of others.
Words are one thing and actions speak louder than words. The best advice I know is to be on your best behavior at
all times. The future is waiting, how we act and treat one, another, today, determines our future, tomorrow.
Posted by LetltBPosted by Stinger Baby also if you make babies but dont do a damn thing for them, you're so not a man. you're a coward...
Let's not forget about the viciousness of women who PURPOSELY alienate the children from the father's out there and tell the children their father don't give a shit about them. They would be the egg donors, and no better in fact worse pieces of shit. Let's also not ignore the alarming rate of abusive mothers as well as all the children murdered by their mothers in the last five years. Neglect is another biggie.click to expand
Agreed. It takes TWO (male and female - for those out of the loop) to conceive a child.
I believe that it IS BOTH parents place to raise their kids. Both parents must respect each other in this matter.
On a finer point, those parents who can truly respect the other, in spite of their post-marital differences, ought
to be applauded.
With regards to the abusive mothers... I've heard of one mother putting her baby in a microwave!!!!
I'm sorry, God, I am sorry world, but that woman, seizure or not, mental or not, just plum stupid or not,
does NOT deserve to live another day!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2006755/Mother-29-charged-burning-week-old-baby-death-microwave-pregnant.html<BR>
Posted by Stinger Baby
not talking about the good men that want to be there for their kids. im talking about men that can just look at their family and walk the hell away, no remorse. the woman did nothing to stop him from seeing the babes, nor did she feed him vicious lies. not every single mom is on bullshit. some men are just irresponsible and run away. i believe i was addressing those men and those men alone. my bad for not elaborating.....
Stinger, Do you have any children? IF so, did the father of your child "just run away"?
Sometimes, what is thought to be a father that flees from his duties, can, in reality be a father who would love
nothing more that to fulfill his obligations. But.... for the woman's irrational and extremely poor behavior, he is unable.
This is why, there ARE some cases where Parental Alienation Syndrome leads to murder.
It works like this: A man and woman engage in sex, she conceives, bares the child. All is happy. Then... the bills
start to come in, and the man's income is such that he must take a second job. Meanwhile, the woman not using good sense, begins to nag - why this? why that? Why don't you help me? And so begins the journey to unhappyville.
The man is put off by the nagging, and insults and begins to distance himself, the woman senses this, and... in need of intimacy, pursues a fling or leaves the man altogether for someone else, files for divorce, takes his kids then demands child support and alimony.
I don't think you are appreciating the fact that so-called "good men" are automatically lumped into the pile of the bad ones. Also.... I wouldn't be too quick to judge men who are perceived as "bad fathers" when you don't know their entire story.
That said, do you now understand why a good paying job is important to a man, whereas, before, you did not?
A wise woman builds up her house, a foolish woman will tear it down.
An interesting point to ponder, just came to mind.
BEFORE the child was conceived, the woman was a happy clam. Now.. she CHOSE the man to whom she would spread her legs.
How do we go from the willing woman to the willing monster?
Me thinks there are countless women who don't think before they spread, then want to blame the man entirely when
they, too, played a role in babymaking.
Me thinks.... like men, far too many women should be far FAR more selective and committed than they are.
They are not because of the social engineering that has been going on for the past 100+ years.
Easier said than done because people today have been conditioned and taught to do as they darned well please in
a society warped beyond recognition by the word "freedom".
You're FREE to do whatever you want, BUT...... you're enslaved to the consequential accountability of whatever you
do.
Which is why one ought to choose wisely.
BEFORE the child was conceived, the woman was a happy clam. Now.. she CHOSE the man to whom she would spread her legs.
How do we go from the willing woman to the willing monster?
Me thinks there are countless women who don't think before they spread, then want to blame the man entirely when
they, too, played a role in babymaking.
Me thinks.... like men, far too many women should be far FAR more selective and committed than they are.
They are not because of the social engineering that has been going on for the past 100+ years.
Easier said than done because people today have been conditioned and taught to do as they darned well please in
a society warped beyond recognition by the word "freedom".
You're FREE to do whatever you want, BUT...... you're enslaved to the consequential accountability of whatever you
do.
Which is why one ought to choose wisely.
Posted by Stinger Baby
and that's another bitch ass cowardly excuse. if the woman is wrong and not letting you see your kids, they have father's rights for that, you know. you can go to court and get your justice, not just choose to stay away and do nothing. if men wanted to see their kids bad enough, they'd go through the proper measures to do that. men do everything else in the world that they want to achieve badly enough. but when it comes to the kids, time to turn all weak, right? i call bullshit on that garbage - 'the man walks away because of the woman's evilness...' what the fuck ever. we dont have the right to stop any man from seeing his kids unless WE CAN PROVE he is a threat to them, us, or if he isnt stable enough to care for them. no one is fallin for that weak ass shit. and really at the end of the day, fuck the woman. it's not even about her. you just make sure you dont let those kids down.
Yea, I watched two men go through that^^ shit. Typically these type of women first file false charges against the father. In the two cases I speak of, when all was said and done it cost the father close to $ 10,000.00 in legal fees to "PROVE" the charges were false in order to see their kids, which took food, and clothing off the table from the kids. It happens every day. So if you think for one minute the mother doesn't have a right to stop visitation think again, it's a vicious world out there. I have more respect for the guy who doesn't have money and chooses to put food in their kids mouths and pays child support but can't afford to fight a nasty bitch in court to see his kids. There are dead beat dads and mothers out there. One is no different from the other.
In regards to the topic, I don't care what the situation is, before either person raises a hand to one another you walk first.
Every state has a system set up called Child Support Services Enforcement. All the Father (and Moms too for dead beat Dads) have to do is go to their county family services dept., pay a very small fee once a year (ny is 25.00 a year), and the enforcement services have him fill out a form which has his employers name, (human resources), phone number, address, his phone and address. The enforcement services then sends a very long and detailed form (IVA)to his company human services that they by law must fill out. When that is sent back to CSSE, whatever they figure out is owed in child support, it is deducted weekly or bi-weekly from the father's paycheck, then CSSE write a check to the mother. The father has a right to have child protective services follow up in the mother's home sometimes unnanounced. What they do is go in, check to make sure there is running water, the toilet flushes (no lie), open the refrigerator and cabinets to make sure there is food, and they check the kids clothing, and look for cleanliness, hygiene in the kids, etc.. That's how the father can confirm the mother isn't blowing the money on herself. The father then has a family court record that he IS paying child support so that when she violates an order of visitation, he has two feet to stand up on along with a judge backing him up. In today's economy, if the mother is the breadwinner, and the father has custody the SAME rules apply.
There is also a way to nail a mother who is spiteful and files false charges on the father. If the court finds this is the case (the father MUST follow through on this), she can lose custody of her children. Some fathers don't want to put their kids through that shit though, because it is a very intrusive process through the legal system, that the kids get dragged into. I watched three kids go through this with my ex Virgo, and it took almost three years of counseling to get them back on track from the bullshit their mother put them through. He fought in court and paid $ 15,000.00 and had to give up as she would file something new every other week.
There is also a way to nail a mother who is spiteful and files false charges on the father. If the court finds this is the case (the father MUST follow through on this), she can lose custody of her children. Some fathers don't want to put their kids through that shit though, because it is a very intrusive process through the legal system, that the kids get dragged into. I watched three kids go through this with my ex Virgo, and it took almost three years of counseling to get them back on track from the bullshit their mother put them through. He fought in court and paid $ 15,000.00 and had to give up as she would file something new every other week.
ohhh kaaaay.....
Stinger, you owe your very existence to a man. No ifs ands or buts about it.
To call your father "young, dumb and full of cum", says an awful lot about yourself.
Furthermore, a "REAL" Man might take care of his family as you perceive a "real" man..... BUT.....
the trouble is, you never know what tomorrow can bring. That "Good man" can turn into a monster
and one never knows what it takes to snap him. He may snap when he's young or he may snap when he's old.
Furthermore, your "sole" experience is nothing new. So don't think that you are unique or special in that
respect. We ALL have our own life experiences.
As God is my witness, you lean on a man every single day whether you want to admit it or not.
As for your father, you may not like him, he may have done wrong but you had better respect him.
You have a LOT of growing up to do. The best place to start is to flush that "weak-ass" proud attitude of yours
down the toilet, where it belongs! IF you don't, I can promise you that you are going to get hurt REAL bad some
day and when that happens you will become little more than a shell of your former self. But that will be a good thing.
From it, you will surely learn that you are in no way independent and self-sufficient. That's a concept that just isn't
so. - Life.... we are ALL in this together.
You can listen to wisdom or you can continue playing your silly little game until you learn the hard way.
Your choice, makes no difference to me.
Ahhhh ice tea! Gotta love it!
🙂
Stinger, you owe your very existence to a man. No ifs ands or buts about it.
To call your father "young, dumb and full of cum", says an awful lot about yourself.
Furthermore, a "REAL" Man might take care of his family as you perceive a "real" man..... BUT.....
the trouble is, you never know what tomorrow can bring. That "Good man" can turn into a monster
and one never knows what it takes to snap him. He may snap when he's young or he may snap when he's old.
Furthermore, your "sole" experience is nothing new. So don't think that you are unique or special in that
respect. We ALL have our own life experiences.
As God is my witness, you lean on a man every single day whether you want to admit it or not.
As for your father, you may not like him, he may have done wrong but you had better respect him.
You have a LOT of growing up to do. The best place to start is to flush that "weak-ass" proud attitude of yours
down the toilet, where it belongs! IF you don't, I can promise you that you are going to get hurt REAL bad some
day and when that happens you will become little more than a shell of your former self. But that will be a good thing.
From it, you will surely learn that you are in no way independent and self-sufficient. That's a concept that just isn't
so. - Life.... we are ALL in this together.
You can listen to wisdom or you can continue playing your silly little game until you learn the hard way.
Your choice, makes no difference to me.
Ahhhh ice tea! Gotta love it!
🙂
Posted by Stinger Baby
Mr. Firebird, i dont owe a gotdamn thing to a man. just like he owes his to a woman. none of your rants will move me from my perspective, judge all you want. i will sit back while you waste time.
Kiddo, you are the one who is hostile and bent out of shape. Not I.
I also notice you invoke God. I think you're clueless on the matter and are not quite sure how
to handle it in a mature rational manner.
Seeing that you are an illegitimate child, it's understandable that you might lash out. BUT
that lashing out is counterproductive in the bigger scheme.
As sure as I live, you owe your existence to a man.
Now you sit there and scream kick shout and pout, all you want, it makes no difference to me.
Not sure why you invoked God.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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