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Posted by Fire-Water
What do you do when that combination is no longer effective? If you get ahead soley on your business acumen then you dont have to worry about it. Its like the athlete who uses some sort of performance enhancing substance legal or illegal, how do you perform without it?

Posted by ellessque
nope, not me.
i don't and i actually get uncomfortable if it even comes to my mind or i feel that is being paid attention to.
most of my career has been in a field that is predominately men with women who have been subordinates. women have rarely been made management.
the introduction of my career was with a female boss (leo/virgo cusp), she was the only member of the management team in the entire organization. She was absolutely beautiful and carried herself in such a manner you didn't notice any sexual appeal or the like. She was "equal" to the rest of team in every way possible. The woman demanded respect (and could rock a killer pair of heels) and could outperform anyone in the company. She was my very first mentor and I ended up surpassing her position, with her help, after I proved myself worthy.
I've carried that experience with me over the course of my entire professional life.
There are even times I'll be aprehensive about a meeting or a presentation and i'll think of her, that gives me just enough pep in my step to make it happen.

Posted by ellessque
I'm not judging anyone 🙂
I just don't see where sexual energy is necessary in the workplace.
Can I mutually flirt with coworkers? of course. Those that are equal to me. To me, that poses no threat.
However, I'm not a "sexual being" in a professional setting among those that are superior to me or those that I have to work with to get something accomplished in a group setting....let's say a meeting, project team or something to that affect.
I don't know? *shrugs* I would rather someone look at me with merit to what I'm talking about or trying to communicate rather than being concerned about how I come over "sexually". there is no point to me? how is that useful to me?
It almost makes me feel degraded even imagining it.

Posted by ellessque
I had to make a quick decision. My aries moon wanted to blow a fucking fuse..but that wouldn't have been appropriate. my libra venus wanted to pull out her charm, mixed with the scorpio....that would have lost me all integrity with the owner...the person that put a hell of alot of faith in me to get the job done.
so, what did i do?
I stopped talking and watched. let the operations manager have the "floor". when it was to the point i knew nobody was paying attention to me. I quietly grabbed my leather briefcase and put it on top of my desk. I slowly started emptying all the personal items from my desk and filling the briefcase. When I was finished, i pulled my purse out of my door, grabbed the briefcase and walked out.
I didn't care anymore. I had felt I had no respect and would never be able to live up to the expectations of that position.
I got to my car and turned the ignition on....went to pull out.....looked up and there was the operations manager at my window. He asked me where i was going and I told him i was going home. he asked me if i was coming back and i told him i didn't know....and i left.
i took off the next three days. that man called me over a dozen times and i didn't answer one phone call.
i showed up to work on the fourth day. behaved like nothing happened............
and he NEVER pulled that shit on me again. not even once.
we actually became pretty good friends after that.
so.......what do you think would have happened if i used my "sexual energy"?
I think it would have played out quite differently.
that experience has set a presedence for me from that point forward.
Posted by ellessque
if i used my "sexual energy"?

Posted by ZipZapZoooom
I know I'm not a scorp fem, but I'm taking up the challenge.
^^That is true. You need to be heard OVER the person who's making all false allegations. Or atleast a silent coldest cold stare and stating the very obvious. Its more an avoiding technique when I leave the floor.
when a smart, sexy woman addresses a meeting, she commands attention....what comes out her mouth will should command respect. it's not about being 'equal' to men in the workplace. we're fundamentally different and there's no escaping that. it's about using that difference to create an advantage for yourself in a business environment.
You asked for it rox... :p
Mostly people try to establish themselves in a very distinguished unique assertive way. Your perception is you need to be sexual/seductive with subtle ways to feel in control when on the floor. This sure is a scorpio trait... but not something that will always work on anyone. There is a high chance of the person being seen as inappropriate. Of course the knowledge you have on the subject will surely save your ass, but wouldnt really pull you off the "inappropriate" list. If other women (if and when) are to be present in that scenario, there is a chance they will treat you as a threat, not just professionally, but personally also.
Being a gemini I solely rely on laughs. I must be able to give an intelligent presentation along with the pitfalls it might run into with so much of a joke thrown in that, yea, the ones listening will know what to take stock of.click to expand

Posted by ellessque
If other women (if and when) are to be present in that scenario, there is a chance they will treat you as a threat, not just professionally, but personally also.
^^^^^^^^^^this is VERY true

Posted by IntriguedScorp
Wow. People sexual energy is in everyone. It is one of the higher human vibrations and a creative force. Not something dirty to be repressed. And it has absolutely nothing to do with fucking. Think higher. That is all. 🙂


Posted by DeadRingerrPosted by ellessque
I'm not judging anyone 🙂
I just don't see where sexual energy is necessary in the workplace.
Can I mutually flirt with coworkers? of course. Those that are equal to me. To me, that poses no threat.
However, I'm not a "sexual being" in a professional setting among those that are superior to me or those that I have to work with to get something accomplished in a group setting....let's say a meeting, project team or something to that affect.
I don't know? *shrugs* I would rather someone look at me with merit to what I'm talking about or trying to communicate rather than being concerned about how I come over "sexually". there is no point to me? how is that useful to me?
It almost makes me feel degraded even imagining it.
I agree!!click to expand

Posted by seraph
Continued . . C
The *jealous* women on her team (there WILL be those)? They get taken out for drinks more often and shown even more attention and warmth by this tigress. It's all about strategy.??
So which is better? The sexiness that motivates and inspires, or the sexiness that "cheats", as it were, the convenient system of "business ethics"?
Neither. It's unavoidable. We like to limit it, to think it's under control. But it really isn't. It's always there, working in the background. And some way, somehow, it's going to net someone an advantage, if they use what they've got wisely and with the right people.??
So what's a working girl (or guy) to do—
Play the game with *everything* the stars gave you. If you have a great figure and a pretty face, use it. Work hard, dedicate yourself to excellence. But dress the part, bat your eyelashes, and charm and beguile your way to the top. Why would you do any less? Use your smarts, but FFS use your estrogen, too! It is part of who you are. For the men, if you've got the fitness level, the good looks, then use your physical presence. Walk upright, proud chest, wink at the girl in HR, and schmooze like you mean it.??
If you have neither and think none of these natural laws apply to you, then you'd better make damn sure you're doing a great job, because at the end of the day, you're only living life half way, and probably using your powers half way, too.
Sexual energy isn't something to be abhorred - in the workplace or elsewhere. It's something to be used, and used with skill.??

Posted by DeadRingerr
People in the work place always find out and then ur labled...eventually fired!! Seen it happen to many times!! Men always win...


Posted by SatoriFierce
I also agree with Elle 100% .
I'm not fooled or charmed by sex appeal and charisma. I can sense someone using it (manipulating basically) for their gains a mile away and it grosses me the fuck out, whether by a man or a woman.
I know we don't have total control over how we are perceived or who we work with, but I would hope that I am always surrounded by mostly mature adults who give me the respect I deserve based on my work performance and not my appearance. That is how I behave and I expect the same from others.
The argument that "it's just how things are, just human nature" is so base to me. It's like saying it's a dog-eat-dog world out there so forget priciples, I'm just gonna get mine, who needs dignity?
What will you do after you're all dried up if you rely so heavily on your sex appeal, anyway?

Posted by DominoooPosted by R1g0rM0rT1s
when i'm dried up, i will be living the retirement of my fantasies....you?
...lol. Fantasies who's weight revolves around status and material processions. Nothing earned through hard work but only manipulation and false messages. Using ethos to make a point is not necessarily wrong, but to have your foundation built, or co-built, on such characteristics is.click to expand

Posted by SatoriFiercePosted by R1g0rM0rT1sPosted by SatoriFierce
I also agree with Elle 100% .
I'm not fooled or charmed by sex appeal and charisma. I can sense someone using it (manipulating basically) for their gains a mile away and it grosses me the fuck out, whether by a man or a woman.
I know we don't have total control over how we are perceived or who we work with, but I would hope that I am always surrounded by mostly mature adults who give me the respect I deserve based on my work performance and not my appearance. That is how I behave and I expect the same from others.
The argument that "it's just how things are, just human nature" is so base to me. It's like saying it's a dog-eat-dog world out there so forget priciples, I'm just gonna get mine, who needs dignity?
What will you do after you're all dried up if you rely so heavily on your sex appeal, anyway?
again...missing the point completely. i am typing in english am i not?
the balance is all wrong with what you're saying. i'm not talking about 'relying heavily' on your sex appeal...i'm talking about relying equally on your sex appeal AND business brain.
what is undignified about playing the success game..and i mean by using the combo? i see salesmen using it on the phone the whole time...their whole demeanour changes when they have a woman client on the phone..and it's a technique that works too, er which is kinda why they do it?
is it wrong if females do the same? is that degrading??
when i'm dried up, i will be living the retirement of my fantasies....you?click to expand
I'm not missing shit. Of course, I would assume that you also use your business brain, but still there is NO place for sex appeal in the workplace. Unless a model, actress, pop star, porn star or stripper where you are paid to look good and be sexy, of course. 🙂
It's wrong for either gender to use sex to achieve their gains. However, men need looks a helluvalot less than women do to be successful. Most of the CEO's I've met are not attractive at all. It still doesn't mean that women should objectify themselves to rise to the same level of power. It still sends the message that women aren't valuable unless they're attractive. Shouldn't our opinion be respected

Posted by DominoooPosted by R1g0rM0rT1s
what the fuck does that mean?? using ethos to make a point?? are you just plucking words from thin air cos they sound cool—
www.dictionary.com - learn to use it.
And the correct term is pathos, actually.click to expand

roll:
"...lol. Fantasies who's weight revolves around status and material processions. Nothing earned through hard work but only manipulation and false messages. Using ethos to make a point is not necessarily wrong, but to have your foundation built, or co-built, on such characteristics is"
then this :
Posted by DominoooPosted by R1g0rM0rT1s
what the fuck does that mean?? using ethos to make a point?? are you just plucking words from thin air cos they sound cool—
www.dictionary.com - learn to use it.
And the correct term is pathos, actually.click to expand
What is your issue— Ethos as defined by Aristotle originally meant trustworthy. He later broadened his definition to include trustworthiness, similarity, authority, and reputation.
Pathos is derived from ancient greek word for suffering. Later also included emotions of empathy, sympathy, and antipathy usually when speaking of something that is pathetic to arouse one of these aforementioned emotions.
Neither of these makes sense in responding to what Roxi was discussing.
You are king of illegible typo's, as well as attempting to use many words that almost have the meaning of the word you wish you had used. You are also king of just plain meanness for the sake of being mean.
Why don't you just cut it out.


Posted by IntriguedScorpPosted by TaurusManUk
Oh yeah I also find Scorps to be in one of my 'top brackets' to work with. I call them my SF (Scorpio Fraternity- Special Forces) and my SS (Scorpio Sorority -Shield Squadron). Thats just a side issue though :-P
Haha. I love it. Every boss needs a Scorp or two to act as praetorian guards--as it were.click to expand

Posted by TaurusManUk
I think R1 was or is possibly looking for acceptance, agreement and acknowledgement. This observation is my two cents. Anyway should you wish to 'win via unconventional methods' than "48 Laws of Power", "33 Strategies of War", "The Art of Seduction" and "The 50th Law" will all come in handy. All written by Robert Greene 'a bull baby'.

Posted by ellessquePosted by IntriguedScorp
It is simply a place I go every day to perform a service.
I'm not there to compete with anyone else in that organization. I'm there to fulfill a contract, an agreement.
continued.....click to expand
this is the fundamental difference between us. i have the opposite view of my job. it's a career in a field i am passionate about cos i always pragmatically planned to enjoy my working life seeing how most of us have to work in order to survive and it takes up quite alot of your life that you can never get back, lol. i want to enjoy what i have to do to make that money as much as i want to enjoy the benefits that money brings....the main benefit of the money being that i don't have to spend so much time working and when i do, it doesn't feel like work.
to me, just performing a service in accordance with a contract which means showing up at the same time at the same place and doing the same functions....i call that 'the velvet rut', particularly if you are well paid to say stuck in it!!
what's the point in just going through the motions in any aspect of your life?

Posted by ellessque
continued....
Could I have accepted being pigeon-holed into a mere file clerk position for the same pay? Walked around the office in pretty office suits and batted my eyelashes for the same pay? Made them coffee every morning for the same pay? I would have lived a comfortable life like that, paid all my bills and then some. Seems easy enough, but at what cost to me?
My presence there would have become null and void and me being there would have served ME no purpose at all. My services would have become stagnant, I would have learned absolutely nothing and the employer would have raided my entire box of "goodies" to the point it was completely empty.
I am way too valuable of a person to allow anyone to do that to me in any aspect of my life, including an employer.

Posted by ZipZapZoooomAnd yeah, you have to be careful with too much humour on the job too. Yeah, it's all a balance.
Tell me about that ðŸ˜click to expand







Posted by TaurusManUkPosted by R1g0rM0rT1s
Microbiology like Ducky on NCIS.
I saw quite a lot of Scorps working in an investment bank where I worked too on a temporary assignment. Must admit they were a joy to work with. I am training to be an accountant so thats nice to know from you. Is Microbiology compatible with the skills with that of an investment banker? Apart from the mathematics that is?
So we can all agree that Scorps like to use their 'probing skills' and 'analytical skills' too 🙂 to make loadsa money 😛
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like who on what— if it's tv, i don't watch much, lol.
i got into the bank on a grad program and nah, it wasn't really relevant. i was sposed to concentrate on pharmaceuticals but i won't go near them with a barge pole cos it's the most evil sector in the world and the law suits fly around with those people with 'guinea pigs' popping their clogs all over the place. i was more in mergers and acquisitions...agressive takeovers and that kinda thing although just by having my head buried in numbers and stats so it sounded better than it was but i still loved it. one of the girl's i worked with had a degree in botony of all things...it was an oxford degree though and so kudos is all that counted, specially being an american bank. fucking hell she was stupid. no wonder she studied fucking plants.......she WAS one!!!
i do know quite a few scorp men who are top salesman so i don't know if that's a male scorp thing...i'm crap at sales cos i have complete phone phobia.
btw, accounting is good. i did CIMA which took 4 years but was well worth it. there's alot of call for management accountants right now...there are some great jobs in gibraltar up the road.
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this is true for me and has proven to be a very effective combination, although it does not in any way, shape or form mean that i slept my way to the top. proper pussy power is in keeping them wanting more which is obviously more effective if they aren't getting it at all and works well when underpinned with good business knowledge and negotiation skills.
anyone else use this formula to get ahead? do you think there is anything morally wrong with it?