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if you've seen the 1988 melanie griffith movie 'working girl', you may recall the line: 'i've got a head for business and a bod for sin'.

this is true for me and has proven to be a very effective combination, although it does not in any way, shape or form mean that i slept my way to the top. proper pussy power is in keeping them wanting more which is obviously more effective if they aren't getting it at all and works well when underpinned with good business knowledge and negotiation skills.

anyone else use this formula to get ahead? do you think there is anything morally wrong with it?

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Posted by Fire-Water
What do you do when that combination is no longer effective? If you get ahead soley on your business acumen then you dont have to worry about it. Its like the athlete who uses some sort of performance enhancing substance legal or illegal, how do you perform without it?



the things is only to use that combination on the way up. if you haven't got the skills required to do the job, you won't last 10 minutes and it doesn't matter how good you look.

relying on business acumen alone can get you to the top, if you're also lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time. however, the world's most successful people don't rely on acumen alone..you have to have a killer instinct too and employ whatever methods that work most effectively to get where you want to go.
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Posted by ellessque
nope, not me.

i don't and i actually get uncomfortable if it even comes to my mind or i feel that is being paid attention to.

most of my career has been in a field that is predominately men with women who have been subordinates. women have rarely been made management.

the introduction of my career was with a female boss (leo/virgo cusp), she was the only member of the management team in the entire organization. She was absolutely beautiful and carried herself in such a manner you didn't notice any sexual appeal or the like. She was "equal" to the rest of team in every way possible. The woman demanded respect (and could rock a killer pair of heels) and could outperform anyone in the company. She was my very first mentor and I ended up surpassing her position, with her help, after I proved myself worthy.

I've carried that experience with me over the course of my entire professional life.

There are even times I'll be aprehensive about a meeting or a presentation and i'll think of her, that gives me just enough pep in my step to make it happen.



well, i would say your mentor did exactly as i did then if she demands respect and rocks a pair of heels...that's exactly what i'm talking about. i'm not talking about going to the office and draping yourself over anything male and slinking around swinging your hair and wafting perfume all over the place. it has to be subtle and MUST be backed with knowledge of whatever field you work in. women have to be better than men performance wise, as you know for yourself elle and i also work in an agressively male environment.

when a smart, sexy woman addresses a meeting, she commands attention....what comes out her mouth will should command respect. it's not about being 'equal' to men in the workplace. we're fundamentally different and there's no escaping that. it's about using that difference to create an advantage for yourself in a business environment.

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Posted by ellessque
I'm not judging anyone 🙂

I just don't see where sexual energy is necessary in the workplace.

Can I mutually flirt with coworkers? of course. Those that are equal to me. To me, that poses no threat.

However, I'm not a "sexual being" in a professional setting among those that are superior to me or those that I have to work with to get something accomplished in a group setting....let's say a meeting, project team or something to that affect.

I don't know? *shrugs* I would rather someone look at me with merit to what I'm talking about or trying to communicate rather than being concerned about how I come over "sexually". there is no point to me? how is that useful to me?

It almost makes me feel degraded even imagining it.



you're completely missing the point elle. i'm not talking about sleeping your way to the top or being overtly sexual. i can promise you i would not be as busy as a freelancer if it wasn't for the fact that i'm extremely good at my job.

intruiged makes a good point in that men use their sexual energy in a similar way i'm talking about. they aren't lascivious with female clients but they may use a different tactic to persuade them than they will a male client.

people who are in senior management aren't going to be impressed with someone just cos they look good...but if a good looking, well-presented person, either male or female, delivers a killer presentation, it tends to be taken more seriously than say a fat bloke or an ugly bird would be.

i've never even been involved with anyone i've worked with as it's always been a golden rule (and a bit frustrating at times). if i have a meeting, i make sure that i look sexy cos that makes me feel strong...but i know that it won't distract from the work i do and my clients wouldn't really care if i had a bag over my head.
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Posted by ellessque
I had to make a quick decision. My aries moon wanted to blow a fucking fuse..but that wouldn't have been appropriate. my libra venus wanted to pull out her charm, mixed with the scorpio....that would have lost me all integrity with the owner...the person that put a hell of alot of faith in me to get the job done.

so, what did i do?

I stopped talking and watched. let the operations manager have the "floor". when it was to the point i knew nobody was paying attention to me. I quietly grabbed my leather briefcase and put it on top of my desk. I slowly started emptying all the personal items from my desk and filling the briefcase. When I was finished, i pulled my purse out of my door, grabbed the briefcase and walked out.

I didn't care anymore. I had felt I had no respect and would never be able to live up to the expectations of that position.

I got to my car and turned the ignition on....went to pull out.....looked up and there was the operations manager at my window. He asked me where i was going and I told him i was going home. he asked me if i was coming back and i told him i didn't know....and i left.

i took off the next three days. that man called me over a dozen times and i didn't answer one phone call.

i showed up to work on the fourth day. behaved like nothing happened............

and he NEVER pulled that shit on me again. not even once.

we actually became pretty good friends after that.

so.......what do you think would have happened if i used my "sexual energy"?

I think it would have played out quite differently.

that experience has set a presedence for me from that point forward.



i would not have just quietly packed my leather briefcase, lol. perhaps it's cos i'm from an investment banking background where you have to fight for the floor. if someone's talking bollocks, you talk over them until they shut the fuck up. this is not a situation you use 'sexual energy' at all....this is where you assert yourself and prove yourself to be cut and thrust.

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Posted by ZipZapZoooom
I know I'm not a scorp fem, but I'm taking up the challenge.
^^That is true. You need to be heard OVER the person who's making all false allegations. Or atleast a silent coldest cold stare and stating the very obvious. Its more an avoiding technique when I leave the floor.

when a smart, sexy woman addresses a meeting, she commands attention....what comes out her mouth will should command respect. it's not about being 'equal' to men in the workplace. we're fundamentally different and there's no escaping that. it's about using that difference to create an advantage for yourself in a business environment.



You asked for it rox... :p

Mostly people try to establish themselves in a very distinguished unique assertive way. Your perception is you need to be sexual/seductive with subtle ways to feel in control when on the floor. This sure is a scorpio trait... but not something that will always work on anyone. There is a high chance of the person being seen as inappropriate. Of course the knowledge you have on the subject will surely save your ass, but wouldnt really pull you off the "inappropriate" list. If other women (if and when) are to be present in that scenario, there is a chance they will treat you as a threat, not just professionally, but personally also.

Being a gemini I solely rely on laughs. I must be able to give an intelligent presentation along with the pitfalls it might run into with so much of a joke thrown in that, yea, the ones listening will know what to take stock of.
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behaving appropriately is crucial to earning respect and i wasn't talking about behaving inappropriately or being seductive either...just harnessing the power of being an attractive, smart woman. if you have both qualities, it's a lethal combination if you use it correctly which means knowing when something is appropriate and when something is not.
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Posted by ellessque
If other women (if and when) are to be present in that scenario, there is a chance they will treat you as a threat, not just professionally, but personally also.

^^^^^^^^^^this is VERY true



there is a girl at my office who is in her 20s. she is stunning. the other women despise her. the reason is not just because she's stunning but because she uses it so obviously. she only mixes with men at the office, rarely even says hello to the telesales girls who are obviously beneath her contempt and if she's late, she charms her way out of trouble with the sales director where others usually have the riot act read to then.

this is a classic example of a woman not using her sexuality in the right way...i did it myself in my 20s and most women i worked with hated me because i alienated them. it's usually cos you're on the way up and you don't have enough knowledge about business and so you rely on what attributes you have while you're working on the rest.

the trouble with other co-workers perceiving you as a threat is that they can scupper your progress by being unwilling to perform well for you if delegated with something or not doing your filing for you so you can never find anything and that kinda thing.

i have great relationships with the women i work with now but having said that, i personally don't go to work to make friends but i do think a good atmosphere in the office is conducive to good performance.
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one of my clients is an uncontrollable meglomaniac (leo). he gave me a brief for a job which i did exactly according to his instructions..the next day when i presented him with what i had done, he immediately started shouting his mouth of...with incredibly bad language....telling me how useless i was and to fuck off home, lol. i absolutely knew i was right and so i responded in the same way and within seconds we were right in eachother's faces just shouting simultaneously. i walked out and within two days, i was reinstated on better terms.'

i agree that it's not appropriate to argue like this at the workplace but then this leo, smokes in our non-smoking office using the excuse that he's 'not part of the fucking EU' and is entirely unaware of the definition of the word appropriate. the higher up the ladder you get, the more tempers are likely to flare because people are more committed to the business generally and have more of themselves invested in the job.

when push comes to shove, it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman or what you look like, if you are good at your job, you provide VALUE to your employer and that's something they won't let go of. if
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I'm not judging anyone 🙂

I just don't see where sexual energy is necessary in the workplace.

Can I mutually flirt with coworkers? of course. Those that are equal to me. To me, that poses no threat.

However, I'm not a "sexual being" in a professional setting among those that are superior to me or those that I have to work with to get something accomplished in a group setting....let's say a meeting, project team or something to that affect.

I don't know? *shrugs* I would rather someone look at me with merit to what I'm talking about or trying to communicate rather than being concerned about how I come over "sexually". there is no point to me? how is that useful to me?

It almost makes me feel degraded even imagining it.

I agree!!
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Yes i agree
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The *jealous* women on her team (there WILL be those)? They get taken out for drinks more often and shown even more attention and warmth by this tigress. It's all about strategy.??

So which is better? The sexiness that motivates and inspires, or the sexiness that "cheats", as it were, the convenient system of "business ethics"?

Neither. It's unavoidable. We like to limit it, to think it's under control. But it really isn't. It's always there, working in the background. And some way, somehow, it's going to net someone an advantage, if they use what they've got wisely and with the right people.??

So what's a working girl (or guy) to do—

Play the game with *everything* the stars gave you. If you have a great figure and a pretty face, use it. Work hard, dedicate yourself to excellence. But dress the part, bat your eyelashes, and charm and beguile your way to the top. Why would you do any less? Use your smarts, but FFS use your estrogen, too! It is part of who you are. For the men, if you've got the fitness level, the good looks, then use your physical presence. Walk upright, proud chest, wink at the girl in HR, and schmooze like you mean it.??

If you have neither and think none of these natural laws apply to you, then you'd better make damn sure you're doing a great job, because at the end of the day, you're only living life half way, and probably using your powers half way, too.

Sexual energy isn't something to be abhorred - in the workplace or elsewhere. It's something to be used, and used with skill.??



why thank you seraph for expressing my point so clearly 🙂 i've noticed leo men work their sexual energy particularly well. that disarming charm is lethal in the boardroom. i've also noticed it's very hard to talk over a leo cos you guys are sooooo damn loud....i nearly turned purple when i had a fight with the leo boss at work a couple of weeks ago cos i was shouting so hard, lol!
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Posted by DeadRingerr
People in the work place always find out and then ur labled...eventually fired!! Seen it happen to many times!! Men always win...



again, you're missing the point. i'm not talking about getting your tits out for the lads and asking for a promotion in the same breath! obviously you have to have merit to pull the whole thing off. all i am saying is that the combination of good looks and a good business brain...in a man or woman...is an extremely potent force.

so there is no 'finding out' of anything if there's nothing to be 'found out'. i've always fired on all cylinders and used whatever i've got to get where i am and i am in a great place. i don't have to use anything but my skills now but as a sexual person, it's something that's part of my personality...yeah, i'm flirtatious and i take care about how i look and i guess cos i'm single, i'm particularly into looking as hot as possible just in case someone nice crosses my path, lol.

men only win if you let them and if a woman relies purely on her physical attributes to gain attention at work, then she is inviting them to not take her seriously.

i don't think it's immoral at all to wanna look sexy at the workplace...especially when you're shit hot at your profession, like i am.

it's always a struggle getting recognition for merit if you're a woman in the workplace, no matter how progressed we think western society is. we don't live in a perfect world and opportunities don't fall into your lap like manna from heaven. the mountain is not gonna come to mohammed! if you want success, you have to take it for yourself. men are ruthless in business. it's not a popularity contest. as a woman, i've possibly been more ruthless than some of the men i've worked with because i've used my sexual power to get what i want from them.

it's not my problem if some men at the top of their tree still think with their dicks to the extent they can be manipulated so my ends are achieved. it's a dog eat dog world. if you want to remain moderately successful, take the slow road, stick to your guns and slink away everytime someone doesn't acknowledge of agree with you.

i don't do things in moderation and make no apology for it.
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I also agree with Elle 100% .

I'm not fooled or charmed by sex appeal and charisma. I can sense someone using it (manipulating basically) for their gains a mile away and it grosses me the fuck out, whether by a man or a woman.

I know we don't have total control over how we are perceived or who we work with, but I would hope that I am always surrounded by mostly mature adults who give me the respect I deserve based on my work performance and not my appearance. That is how I behave and I expect the same from others.

The argument that "it's just how things are, just human nature" is so base to me. It's like saying it's a dog-eat-dog world out there so forget priciples, I'm just gonna get mine, who needs dignity?

What will you do after you're all dried up if you rely so heavily on your sex appeal, anyway?



again...missing the point completely. i am typing in english am i not?

the balance is all wrong with what you're saying. i'm not talking about 'relying heavily' on your sex appeal...i'm talking about relying equally on your sex appeal AND business brain.

what is undignified about playing the success game..and i mean by using the combo? i see salesmen using it on the phone the whole time...their whole demeanour changes when they have a woman client on the phone..and it's a technique that works too, er which is kinda why they do it?

is it wrong if females do the same? is that degrading??

when i'm dried up, i will be living the retirement of my fantasies....you?
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when i'm dried up, i will be living the retirement of my fantasies....you?



...lol. Fantasies who's weight revolves around status and material processions. Nothing earned through hard work but only manipulation and false messages. Using ethos to make a point is not necessarily wrong, but to have your foundation built, or co-built, on such characteristics is.
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what the fuck does that mean?? using ethos to make a point?? are you just plucking words from thin air cos they sound cool—

how do you know what my fantasy retirement is anyway? it has nothing to do with status and material 'processions' (sic). mortgage-free living and a modest pension would be enough for me but because i've actually managed to work my ASS OFF over the years, i'll be getting a whole lot more than that!

'nothing earned through hard work but only manipulation and false messages'.......LOL!!! you have me confused with a fucking politician, lol.

people on dxp can be so damn obtuse sometimes, it's quite shocking.

AA: i am old skool dxp...but less of the old if you don't mind, lol.
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I also agree with Elle 100% .

I'm not fooled or charmed by sex appeal and charisma. I can sense someone using it (manipulating basically) for their gains a mile away and it grosses me the fuck out, whether by a man or a woman.

I know we don't have total control over how we are perceived or who we work with, but I would hope that I am always surrounded by mostly mature adults who give me the respect I deserve based on my work performance and not my appearance. That is how I behave and I expect the same from others.

The argument that "it's just how things are, just human nature" is so base to me. It's like saying it's a dog-eat-dog world out there so forget priciples, I'm just gonna get mine, who needs dignity?

What will you do after you're all dried up if you rely so heavily on your sex appeal, anyway?



again...missing the point completely. i am typing in english am i not?

the balance is all wrong with what you're saying. i'm not talking about 'relying heavily' on your sex appeal...i'm talking about relying equally on your sex appeal AND business brain.

what is undignified about playing the success game..and i mean by using the combo? i see salesmen using it on the phone the whole time...their whole demeanour changes when they have a woman client on the phone..and it's a technique that works too, er which is kinda why they do it?

is it wrong if females do the same? is that degrading??

when i'm dried up, i will be living the retirement of my fantasies....you?
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I'm not missing shit. Of course, I would assume that you also use your business brain, but still there is NO place for sex appeal in the workplace. Unless a model, actress, pop star, porn star or stripper where you are paid to look good and be sexy, of course. 🙂

It's wrong for either gender to use sex to achieve their gains. However, men need looks a helluvalot less than women do to be successful. Most of the CEO's I've met are not attractive at all. It still doesn't mean that women should objectify themselves to rise to the same level of power. It still sends the message that women aren't valuable unless they're attractive. Shouldn't our opinion be respected
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what the fuck does that mean?? using ethos to make a point?? are you just plucking words from thin air cos they sound cool—



www.dictionary.com - learn to use it.

And the correct term is pathos, actually.
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ahaha!!! i should use a dictionary to check a word you used which actually, you have now changed from ethos to pathos. they're kinda different words...why don't you check the definitions again. and while you're there, you can tell me what material 'processions' are?

don't even attempt to get one up on me. it just makes you look stupid.
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"...lol. Fantasies who's weight revolves around status and material processions. Nothing earned through hard work but only manipulation and false messages. Using ethos to make a point is not necessarily wrong, but to have your foundation built, or co-built, on such characteristics is"


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what the fuck does that mean?? using ethos to make a point?? are you just plucking words from thin air cos they sound cool—



www.dictionary.com - learn to use it.

And the correct term is pathos, actually.
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What is your issue— Ethos as defined by Aristotle originally meant trustworthy. He later broadened his definition to include trustworthiness, similarity, authority, and reputation.

Pathos is derived from ancient greek word for suffering. Later also included emotions of empathy, sympathy, and antipathy usually when speaking of something that is pathetic to arouse one of these aforementioned emotions.

Neither of these makes sense in responding to what Roxi was discussing.

You are king of illegible typo's, as well as attempting to use many words that almost have the meaning of the word you wish you had used. You are also king of just plain meanness for the sake of being mean.

Why don't you just cut it out.
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I think R1 was or is possibly looking for acceptance, agreement and acknowledgement. This observation is my two cents. Anyway should you wish to 'win via unconventional methods' than "48 Laws of Power", "33 Strategies of War", "The Art of Seduction" and "The 50th Law" will all come in handy. All written by Robert Greene 'a bull baby'.



thank you tmUK...and intruiged too 🙂

i wasn't looking for any of those things really when i started the thread. i was just thinking about it and thought it would be a provocative topic, which it appears to have been 🙂

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It is simply a place I go every day to perform a service.

I'm not there to compete with anyone else in that organization. I'm there to fulfill a contract, an agreement.

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this is the fundamental difference between us. i have the opposite view of my job. it's a career in a field i am passionate about cos i always pragmatically planned to enjoy my working life seeing how most of us have to work in order to survive and it takes up quite alot of your life that you can never get back, lol. i want to enjoy what i have to do to make that money as much as i want to enjoy the benefits that money brings....the main benefit of the money being that i don't have to spend so much time working and when i do, it doesn't feel like work.

to me, just performing a service in accordance with a contract which means showing up at the same time at the same place and doing the same functions....i call that 'the velvet rut', particularly if you are well paid to say stuck in it!!

what's the point in just going through the motions in any aspect of your life?
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Could I have accepted being pigeon-holed into a mere file clerk position for the same pay? Walked around the office in pretty office suits and batted my eyelashes for the same pay? Made them coffee every morning for the same pay? I would have lived a comfortable life like that, paid all my bills and then some. Seems easy enough, but at what cost to me?

My presence there would have become null and void and me being there would have served ME no purpose at all. My services would have become stagnant, I would have learned absolutely nothing and the employer would have raided my entire box of "goodies" to the point it was completely empty.

I am way too valuable of a person to allow anyone to do that to me in any aspect of my life, including an employer.



i think you had a point in that meeting and i understand where you were coming from but i don't get how you dealt with it in the context that you describe the situation.

how does quietly packing your leather briefcase and going home to sulk assert that your presence there is more than null and void. it's like saying, oh well if you don't need me, i'll be off then. it would piss me off if i saw a female colleague doing that although i know alot of them would because women simply do not know how to assert themselves in a professional setting!!

you were sidelined before you went into the meeting but you didn't realise til you were in it. they already knew that all they had to do was talk louder than you and they would get listened to...or even talk at all! you must've created that impression before you went in there.

that was your moment to get some respect from those people but instead you played it nice and made it easy for them to feed you a few platitudes and make you think you're back on an equal footing with your colleagues. the next time there's a similar meeting, they will most likely do it again unless you've changed your tactic or proved yourself on the day to day in the meantime....which i am sure you have elle 🙂

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And yeah, you have to be careful with too much humour on the job too. Yeah, it's all a balance.



Tell me about that 😭
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i feel sorry for the peeps at work who aren't allowed a sense of humour during office hours. pisses me off. it's mostly the telesales girls and all they do is make endless cold calls for shit money. they are hilarious too and i ususally take my breaks with them but if they're caught laughing whilst on the job, they can get fired very easily 😢

a sense of humour is a management perk it seems. i think that's wrong cos it helps lifts spirits, particularly for those in such boring roles. i'm sure they would perform better if they could unleash a giggle every once in a while.
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The Moon in Leo makes you strong, proud and courageous. You enjoy responsibility, and often take on too much of it. You have a natural attraction authority, and enjoy appearing in the public eye. You would rather lead than follow any day.Your inherent pride makes you very susceptible to love affairs.

Your actions at work attract the attention, and respect of your superiors. This can only mean good things for you as far as your career is concerned. As far as money is concerned you are very generous.

The Moon in Leo makes for a strong intellect and a strong love of the arts. Don't be surprised if your occupation involves the theatre, music, painting or literature. You also have a love for luxuries. You like to drink the finest wine life has to offer. You are lively in spirit, have a high intelligence and have good prioritizing skills.

Males with Leo Moon: Much vital force and moral courage. Helpful to weaker section, honest, sympathetic, generous and of open mind. Magnanimous, position of responsibility and prominence. Favourable for finances. Love of luxuries, pleasures, perfumes, dress etc. Favourite of opposite sex and a sincere lover. Unfavourable for a father. Good organising capacity, a leader among friends. Uplift of native socially and mentally. This position of Moon places him in a position of authority, trust, respect and responsibility and gives inspiration for great achievements.

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i wanted to be a forensic scientist so i did a degree in microbiology to start with but was so anxious to make money that i left it there and went to work for a bank instead. i did end up doing forensic accounting at one stage which sounds about the most boring thing ever but it's really when you go through paper trails in big fraud cases which can be very entertaining.

now i'm an business analyst and writer, which involves alot of research. their quite scorpionic jobs but i also have virgo rising which is where the ANALyst side comes from.

my dream job will be when i can afford to just write my own stuff...get published...make a movie...get box office receipts...make a dvd of the movie...get more profit....win some prestige awards...have a clothing range...oh, and my own perfume. and most importantly, i will be driving an aston martin when i'm not on my harley 😛
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Microbiology like Ducky on NCIS.

I saw quite a lot of Scorps working in an investment bank where I worked too on a temporary assignment. Must admit they were a joy to work with. I am training to be an accountant so thats nice to know from you. Is Microbiology compatible with the skills with that of an investment banker? Apart from the mathematics that is?

So we can all agree that Scorps like to use their 'probing skills' and 'analytical skills' too 🙂 to make loadsa money 😛

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like who on what— if it's tv, i don't watch much, lol.

i got into the bank on a grad program and nah, it wasn't really relevant. i was sposed to concentrate on pharmaceuticals but i won't go near them with a barge pole cos it's the most evil sector in the world and the law suits fly around with those people with 'guinea pigs' popping their clogs all over the place. i was more in mergers and acquisitions...agressive takeovers and that kinda thing although just by having my head buried in numbers and stats so it sounded better than it was but i still loved it. one of the girl's i worked with had a degree in botony of all things...it was an oxford degree though and so kudos is all that counted, specially being an american bank. fucking hell she was stupid. no wonder she studied fucking plants.......she WAS one!!!

i do know quite a few scorp men who are top salesman so i don't know if that's a male scorp thing...i'm crap at sales cos i have complete phone phobia.

btw, accounting is good. i did CIMA which took 4 years but was well worth it. there's alot of call for management accountants right now...there are some great jobs in gibraltar up the road.