Intuition.

Do you think it is something real? If so, could you share your definition of it, if not, could you explain why you don't believe in its existence?

Thank you!

Amoureux

Oh absolutely. I describe it as 'a feeling within'. It's not spoken to you verbally but instead it's spoken into your spirit. It's that thing in your gut that helps to give confirmation to your thoughts or ideas about someone or something etc. It's a gift that helps us to make decisions or see things clearer.

i will come back to respond to each one of you, but in the meantime i wanted to say thank you guys, really great stuff!

Posted by catguy
This is a tough one to define. Well, I don't know if I can define it because it comes in different forms. Sometimes it's a momentary flash, so to speak, and yet the result is staggering. But there's also the building up of, say, energy, and that along with putting the pieces together and pinpointing a certain day for something to happen is, well, also staggering when it comes true. But it all ends up with such a "strong knowing" that nothing else could punch holes in it

Catguy, even though it is not simple you took a chance so I appreciate it that!

The idea of it coming in different forms, it is so true, you have a good point.

AND the mention you made about energy in corelation to that feeling or reaction...wonderful, that is what I need to understand better!

I brought this up because I have been doing some readings by a famous scientist we all know and he seems to mention something really intriguing regarding intution and the feeling behind it, so I was curious ever since then.

In my opinion, materail and visible things are the easiest to explain, the other ones take more time...

Catguy, I wonder if those flashes or building up energy has something to do with subsconcious knowledge we do have but that either we don't remember or know of. As if we knew more than we think we know...makes sense?

If so, then there is an element that will be always hard to define for us, even if we were to understand everything else than there is on this Earth. Any thoughts? Also, where did you come up with the thoughts of energy building up...is it through a feeling of it?

Posted by Let*It*Be
I'm asked this all the time. It's unexplainable but as soon as I sense something (person, situation etc...) it becomes a certainty in my mind, sharp tug in the stomach, and then confirmed shortly after. When I share the sense prior with friends, they look at me with amusement but then I get that how the "hell did you know that" statement or look. My closest friends know better, in fact they will call me to meet them out to meet their date, or ask advice on a situation they are involved in. When it comes to myself (men/situations)it sometimes takes longer, but first gut reaction is usually correct. (sadly)

Letitbe, what happens when you do not get a confirmation soon after, do you still believe in it and if so, why?

Have there been instances when you were wrong, if so, have you observed what makes a difference between the right and the wrong assesments...or is it still a matter of chance?

By the way, thank you for sharing that and for responding.

Posted by VirgoVixxxen
Oh absolutely. I describe it as 'a feeling within'. It's not spoken to you verbally but instead it's spoken into your spirit. It's that thing in your gut that helps to give confirmation to your thoughts or ideas about someone or something etc. It's a gift that helps us to make decisions or see things clearer.

Completely agree. I think this is where I am getting at new friend. I believe the energy catguy is referring to or flashes could be a given quality we all have, but that we don't know that we do have...I have seen it happen so many times. Somehow, we don't pay attention to it always, but perhaps it is always there and it comes into our awareness once in a while? I think I am understanding the possible source better...just as we talk about this, it is confirming my thoughts and ideas, but I still don't know what makes it come and go...what do you think, any further thoughts?

Posted by wgamador
Oh no doubt about it it is real. I have been blessed with an incredible sense of intuition.
It scares me and people sometimes.

How can you trust it? What makes it valid to you?

Posted by catguy

Posted by AmoureuxDeLesprit

Posted by catguy
This is a tough one to define. Well, I don't know if I can define it because it comes in different forms. Sometimes it's a momentary flash, so to speak, and yet the result is staggering. But there's also the building up of, say, energy, and that along with putting the pieces together and pinpointing a certain day for something to happen is, well, also staggering when it comes true. But it all ends up with such a "strong knowing" that nothing else could punch holes in it

Catguy, even though it is not simple you took a chance so I appreciate it that!

The idea of it coming in different forms, it is so true, you have a good point.

AND the mention you made about energy in corelation to that feeling or reaction...wonderful, that is what I need to understand better!

I brought this up because I have been doing some readings by a famous scientist we all know and he seems to mention something really intriguing regarding intution and the feeling behind it, so I was curious ever since then.

In my opinion, materail and visible things are the easiest to explain, the other ones take more time...

Catguy, I wonder if those flashes or building up energy has something to do with subsconcious knowledge we do have but that either we don't remember or know of. As if we knew more than we think we know...makes sense?

If so, then there is an element that will be always hard to define for us, even if we were to understand everything else than there is on this Earth. Any thoughts? Also, where did you come up with the thoughts of energy building up...is it through a feeling of it?

Hey Amoureux, you're welcome. I love talking about this stuff. But that's an interesting question about having knowledge subconsciously. I think it's certainly plausible because there are certain events in life that are predestined and the rest is freewill, at least that's what I believe. I guess it would be akin to a dream you had, but you couldn't quite remember it, but later in the day pieces of it start to surface. So, the dream would be subsconscious knowledge and the day = your life up to the present. Cont'd --

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Catguy, I believe our lives are a combination of predestinati

Oh by the way, I have a theory about life being a dream. But I think I could only share that with someone who is really close to me one day...maybe I will explain later why or maybe you already understand why it is hard to do it here.

Anyway, going back to your second post...

Posted by catguy
But yeah, there will always be that one element that is elusive, like you can touch it but can't quite grasp it, yet it is very useful. It's like here is this tool for you, just don't ask where it came from, don't question it, just roll with it and you can navigate life's most intense yet incredible moments.

I mean, a person is much more prepared to approach events in life if they have an idea that something is about to happen. But this is where it gets fuzzy. A person can know through their intuition that something is going to happen, and the event does materialize, but I feel the result of the event is out of reach because we all have freewill. I think that one elusive element you mentioned previously is because there is fate and freewill together, and the gap is narrow, maybe even separated so thinly that it's imperciptable.

But yeah, going back to your question about unconscious knowledge, I believe all people know certain things at a soul level, but they have to at least be aware of it, otherwise, they're walking around "blind" without access to their intuition.

In regards to the building up of energy, this form of intuition has only happened once in my life, that I know of consciously, and so there was about a week that I could sense something approaching, but I wasn't sure what day the event would occur. And during that week I was putting the pieces together, so to speak, perhaps like you said, bringing up with whatever tools possible that "unconscious knowledge." By the time that week was over, I determinded that the event was going to happen in the next day or two, and it did happen the following day. Am I coming across clearly here?

Hmmm, interesting, so you think the reason why it is hard to recognize that specific elusive element is because those two possible paths are parallel to each other or close enough that it is hard to distinguish one from the other?

You know, I was thinking about this the other day after I wrote and I was just going to ask you if you thought time and space had something to do with it. So perhaps we are consider some similar ap

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Posted by VirgoVixxxen
Oh absolutely. I describe it as 'a feeling within'. It's not spoken to you verbally but instead it's spoken into your spirit. It's that thing in your gut that helps to give confirmation to your thoughts or ideas about someone or something etc. It's a gift that helps us to make decisions or see things clearer.

Completely agree. I think this is where I am getting at new friend. I believe the energy catguy is referring to or flashes could be a given quality we all have, but that we don't know that we do have...I have seen it happen so many times. Somehow, we don't pay attention to it always, but perhaps it is always there and it comes into our awareness once in a while? I think I am understanding the possible source better...just as we talk about this, it is confirming my thoughts and ideas, but I still don't know what makes it come and go...what do you think, any further thoughts?

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What makes it come or go...hmmm...perhaps it's a particular experience, event or situation, or even an action done by something or someone else that maybe triggers the 'flash' or 'energy' that CT speaks of. Maybe it's merely energy being transferred from something/someone else into us (energy is never lost - just converted or transferred) thus giving credence to those ideas/thoughts that were already in our heads. I'm just taking a guess here...

VV and Catguy,

Sorry about losing half of my post. I guess these are things we all already know or agree here: Intuition or the feeling of it does exist. It is something invisible, but real.

I guess the two big questions are, what is it and why does it seem to be out of our control?

I suggested that perhaps it is a subsconcious knowledge of things we already knew and that are remembering. I also think it could be the result of an accumulation of information our mind has quickly picked up and thus we respond unknowingly to such ideas already formed. In either case, whereas it is a past learned knowledge before we thought of things or a knowledge after we remember having thoughts...it is defenitely something that we can rely upon (when it is real).

As far as why it comes and goes. VV theorized that could be a transferring of energy from person to person or from something to us, which could be very possible, so thanks for sharing that 🙂 I guess the question that remains is when do this "gates" open up and why? For example, there are cases that are very simple...such as when we think of a song and few seconds after we listen to it in the radio. Other examples are in bigger scale and more helpful, such as kids not trusting certain bad strangers without even knowing much of anything...it is just a feeling or when someone knows someone had betrayed them, even at the distance. It is hard to put into words, but it can be real. (Continued...)

Posted by catguy
Hey, VV, yes I think it's quite possibe that the energy is being sent/transferred between people because I believe that the people or person involved in a significant event have been connected to you your whole life, hence, the predestined event. And the event can be anything -- death, meeting someone for the first time, etc, etc. But whatever the event is, it's profound and meant to change your life to one degree or another, which supports even more the idea of a life long connection (as far back as several past lives) and a predestined event.

Nice to see you around, CT and I agree. Intuition is really a gift. It's our way of knowing something without it being told to us or necessarily seeing it with our eyes.

I believe it is possible that those "gates" are open in relation to time, space, and/or internal programmed ideas we have that something or someone triggers (opens) outside of us and yet within us. Perhaps there are two types of intuituon, those that happen randomly and in unpredictable ways (i.e. listening to songs we thought of second ago) that we just are born with and yet don't understand...and those that are given to us (i.e. misstrust of someone without knowing them well and yet being right about it) for our own good and protection. Would you agree with this classification? Have you seen other types of intutive responses?

I haven't read any book elaborating on this, it would be interesting to gather these thoughts, that's why I was just asking...for my own knowledge, just to gather some thoughts.

Another thing I think we can all agree upon is that, besides its clear existence, this is something we have not grasp upon, something we can't control, therefore, there is an outside source who either did it for us and/or does it for us today, would you agree with this?

Obviously, we can't come up with a complete explanation related to this subject because there is not an easy way to test it, but I like thinking of possibilities since many times we can be so close to the truth or the discussions of this can reveal new truths or confirm truths for us.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Posted by AmoureuxDeLesprit
VV and Catguy,

Sorry about losing half of my post. I guess these are things we all already know or agree here: Intuition or the feeling of it does exist. It is something invisible, but real.

I guess the two big questions are, what is it and why does it seem to be out of our control?

I suggested that perhaps it is a subsconcious knowledge of things we already knew and that are remembering. I also think it could be the result of an accumulation of information our mind has quickly picked up and thus we respond unknowingly to such ideas already formed. In either case, whereas it is a past learned knowledge before we thought of things or a knowledge after we remember having thoughts...it is defenitely something that we can rely upon (when it is real).

As far as why it comes and goes. VV theorized that could be a transferring of energy from person to person or from something to us, which could be very possible, so thanks for sharing that 🙂 I guess the question that remains is when do this "gates" open up and why? For example, there are cases that are very simple...such as when we think of a song and few seconds after we listen to it in the radio. Other examples are in bigger scale and more helpful, such as kids not trusting certain bad strangers without even knowing much of anything...it is just a feeling or when someone knows someone had betrayed them, even at the distance. It is hard to put into words, but it can be real. (Continued...)

Great example with the kids/strangers. It's the person's aura (energy?) that we 'pick up on'. We all have one and it helps to tell someone else a little bit about us without us having to even open our mouths. LOL. The intuition is receptive. It's a 'feeler' picking up on subtle energies & nuances here and there.

yes it is so interesting, fascinating really because it is so elusive and hard to define and know completely, but so real.

i wish we could all master that information, but maybe it is good for our own sake that we don't.

have you ever seen the movie "unbreakable"? i thought of it as i typed that...it is one of those things that would be wonderful (to know how each person really is), but also a heavy burden to carry, because there is so mucb beyond each face we see everyday.

maybe one day, we will either use it well and in a more developed way or not need it anymore, as it seems that "it" serves some kind of purpose here for us in earth this far...

Most def. I believe in it.

In fact, the only thing I hate is when I don't trust it (re: people I just know I need to avoid, but I take pity, and BAM...they f me over...)

it don't blame you friend. emotions can be tricky. i dont trust my own feelings always. i think the hope for discernment is in knowing when to trust our insticts and recognize them as truth vs. when to know it just something coming from other less reliable souces...such as our own fears or assumptions.

i hope over time, those who acknowledge these simple yet complex realiaties can learn to discern those differences and be more attemptive to that...more in touch with that, but also more aware of when to listen and when not to listen, if that makes any sense.

we can talk about why virgos sometimes get their minds blurry when it comes to seeing love for what it is some other time...ha. 🙂 i get ya friend.

Posted by AmoureuxDeLesprit
it don't blame you friend. emotions can be tricky. i dont trust my own feelings always. i think the hope for discernment is in knowing when to trust our insticts and recognize them as truth vs. when to know it just something coming from other less reliable souces...such as our own fears or assumptions.

i hope over time, those who acknowledge these simple yet complex realiaties can learn to discern those differences and be more attemptive to that...more in touch with that, but also more aware of when to listen and when not to listen, if that makes any sense.

we can talk about why virgos sometimes get their minds blurry when it comes to seeing love for what it is some other time...ha. 🙂 i get ya friend.

Yeah--love is about the only thing that sends me into "omgwtflol" mode. I never trust myself. I can honestly see why most of us choose to just be cold and unemotional.

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Posted by AmoureuxDeLesprit
it don't blame you friend. emotions can be tricky. i dont trust my own feelings always. i think the hope for discernment is in knowing when to trust our insticts and recognize them as truth vs. when to know it just something coming from other less reliable souces...such as our own fears or assumptions.

i hope over time, those who acknowledge these simple yet complex realiaties can learn to discern those differences and be more attemptive to that...more in touch with that, but also more aware of when to listen and when not to listen, if that makes any sense.

we can talk about why virgos sometimes get their minds blurry when it comes to seeing love for what it is some other time...ha. 🙂 i get ya friend.

You have to act with your heart. The head just jams you up, like what CLC mentioned. You want a balance of heart and head. Life is hardly ever logical and so your head is saying "but wait, this just isn't adding up.." But it is adding up perfectly, just not the way the logical mind sees it. But your heart understands and that's why it's saying it's all good, go ahead with it.

So, Amoureux, it's your head getting in the way when you feel you can't trust your feelings. The heart is never wrong, believe me.

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Catguy, I can agree with the balancing part, but I disagree that the heart is never wrong.

Our own feelings and emotions are tricky. For example, a married man might "feel" great being a mistress woman and "feel" happy at the time, but the truth is she might only be a escape, it might not be love, and above all...even thought the feelings (the heart) at the time might feel nice, it is wrong. Another easy example, a teenager might be tease over and over and bullied around...and told he is a loser or girl told she isn't worth it...so in their "heart" both teens "feel" like they aren't loved, but it s lie, the truth is...they are worth it and they are loved, they just can see it at the time and then commit terrible things as a result (hence the current suicides). Therefore, I don't think we can trust our own feelings an emotions....many times they are wrong...

That's why I separate only "intuition" and only accurate feelings/emotions as something to follow. That is why I said everything must be under discerment and that is why a clear

...understanding and contant search for truth is needed, I think.

That is why I could not trust my emotions and feelings alone...no way. What do see the need for is discernemtn instead to recognize when my heart or mind aren't right. And I believe we can only gain such discernement by seeking and searching for truth constantly...testing everything and holding fast to what is good only.

Makes sense?

Your opinions are welcome though friend, whereas we would agree or disagree about certain things. I like discussion, it helps me solidify or explore my own thoughts.

And clcny30...yes, it takes time, but when we find that place, it is beautiful I have seen it. 🙂

Posted by catguy
lol. So that reminds me: the head would give a clear perspective of the situation while following the heart.

perfect. this is where you and i meet. 🙂 that's where i can agree fully. the balance of them both.

i guess i was referring more to the thought you had of "always" trusting in your heart...

so what is it that you mean by "heart"? i just want to make sure i understand well your definition of what goes in it or what it refers to, for you.

and taking out emotions out of the equation (as you mentioned to not be included in your example), would you say you trust all your feelings then?

i think i really couldn't, although it would be nice. i jus trust them to the extent where there is truth in them...hence my quest for truth and knowledge, i think.

thanks for valuing this conversation by the way. 🙂

Posted by catguy
Hi Amoureux -- Okay I'll try to give you an example of what using the heart would be. Hopefully it will work if not let me know. For ex. Say you get offered two jobs by two different companies. Company A is offering more pay, maybe some better benefits. So you feel all excited because it's gonna be more money which could mean a nicer car, blah, blah. BUT, BUT, there's something you're not quite sure about. Yes, your head is thinking more money which feels exciting, but there's something holding you back because you're not feeling it in your heart. Yes, intellectually it's more money from Co. A and making more money sounds logical, but there's something holding you back, something you can't put your finger on, but you know it's there (your heart)

So, then you think about Company B, it's less pay which doesn't make economical sense (the head) but there's something about that company that you like and you would start in the morning because you had absolutely no doubts nagging you. It just felt right to you. There would nothing holding you back, nothing saying "but I'm just not quite sure.."

I'm not saying that Company B would be flawless, but you would be happier there because the decision felt right.

hey catguy!

thank you for answering. sorry i couldn't come back sooner, i had a busy weekend, but it was great. 🙂

okay continuing our discussion.

i see what you mean by "heart" now, for you it means "the gut feeling"...or what i would call "intuition". makes sense. it helps me understand your comments better because for me...if i speak about matters of the heart i am speaking about emotions, feelings, AND perhaps intution. that's why i was wondering how and if you could trust in all of that, always, as you mentioned, but now i understand that (correct me if i'm wrong please), what you were referring as something you can trust always is rather your "intuition/gut feeling" and that is what you meant by heart?

i can also understand what you mean by listening to that "feeling" more often. it is still hard to not question it...but you are right, sometimes you just know. it is hard to "know" for sure, but this feeling is a different kind of feeling (talking about intuition) for me it could be a gut thing or just something random that its not even expressed so deeply...such as when i know some small event might happen (someone calling me or a song th

that will be played).

finally, although we usually consider emotions and feelings a separate category...i believe they all start in the mind. sometimes faster that what we can be aware of, given our pattersn and routines. the only exception and unexplicable case, in my opinion (hence why i posted this) is "intuition" because i cannot be completely sure if that comes from within our ideas only...or something deeper. would you agree with this last paragraph? what are your thoughts?

have a nice day! 🙂