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Virgo is EARTH/FIRE (SECONDARY ELEMENTS OF EARTH)
Sounds plausible also ties in with the Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable groupings.
Cardinal signs are primarily focused on image
Fixed signs are primarily focused on one opinion
Mutable signs are focused on adaptation
and I do prefer fire girls, over the rest.
Only a Virgette can trump them.
Cardinal signs are primarily focused on image
Fixed signs are primarily focused on one opinion
Mutable signs are focused on adaptation
and I do prefer fire girls, over the rest.
Only a Virgette can trump them.
Good topic but I have to disagree.
What makes you come up with the cap/tau associations?
The "secondary" argument is an anomaly because the "earth" sign association has nothing to do with the planetary ruler itself...correct? It's rooted in the sign's element which in a way is independent of the planet.
Venus was brought forth from the ocean and by virtue of that, I get how you would associate tau with water. But what about capricorn? It's ruler is saturn, agriculture, so wouldn't that make it earth/earth?
For virgo, you've elevated vulcan over mercury which doesn't make sense. Virgo is therefore earth/air.
I think the secondary argument would be far more accurate when examined on an individual basis and by virtue of that, a person's "secondary ruler" would be their ascendant which in laymen terms is our "Earth" sign. "Earth" is the only planet that does not rule any particular sign but each of us has an "Earth" placement (asc). So I think the asc is more valid as the secondary.
What makes you come up with the cap/tau associations?
The "secondary" argument is an anomaly because the "earth" sign association has nothing to do with the planetary ruler itself...correct? It's rooted in the sign's element which in a way is independent of the planet.
Venus was brought forth from the ocean and by virtue of that, I get how you would associate tau with water. But what about capricorn? It's ruler is saturn, agriculture, so wouldn't that make it earth/earth?
For virgo, you've elevated vulcan over mercury which doesn't make sense. Virgo is therefore earth/air.
I think the secondary argument would be far more accurate when examined on an individual basis and by virtue of that, a person's "secondary ruler" would be their ascendant which in laymen terms is our "Earth" sign. "Earth" is the only planet that does not rule any particular sign but each of us has an "Earth" placement (asc). So I think the asc is more valid as the secondary.
I believe mercury to be associated with fire. Gemini is air/fire and virgo is earth/fire.
As for ,capricorn, saturn was born of terra and caelus...earth and the sky. A god of both realms. Thus cappy is earth/air.
As for ,capricorn, saturn was born of terra and caelus...earth and the sky. A god of both realms. Thus cappy is earth/air.
Irrational.
You are not the sum of your "parents" for if that was the case, Venus would also be fire. Each planet has its own identity and complexities. You claim to know astrology and yet, you know nothing of Mercury/Hermes. "He" is air...all the time.
Mercury IS air. Period.
You attribute a secondary element to these signs and offer no proof. You're entitled to your opinion but without any factual or intellectual basis, your spout infactual info and misinformation simply makes you an asshole.
No wonder virgo is so anal. Are you a virgin?
You are not the sum of your "parents" for if that was the case, Venus would also be fire. Each planet has its own identity and complexities. You claim to know astrology and yet, you know nothing of Mercury/Hermes. "He" is air...all the time.
Mercury IS air. Period.
You attribute a secondary element to these signs and offer no proof. You're entitled to your opinion but without any factual or intellectual basis, your spout infactual info and misinformation simply makes you an asshole.
No wonder virgo is so anal. Are you a virgin?
^you claim to know Mythology
Posted by caligula
Good topic but I have to disagree.
What makes you come up with the cap/tau associations?
The "secondary" argument is an anomaly because the "earth" sign association has nothing to do with the planetary ruler itself...correct? It's rooted in the sign's element which in a way is independent of the planet.
Venus was brought forth from the ocean and by virtue of that, I get how you would associate tau with water. But what about capricorn? It's ruler is saturn, agriculture, so wouldn't that make it earth/earth?
For virgo, you've elevated vulcan over mercury which doesn't make sense. Virgo is therefore earth/air.
I think the secondary argument would be far more accurate when examined on an individual basis and by virtue of that, a person's "secondary ruler" would be their ascendant which in laymen terms is our "Earth" sign. "Earth" is the only planet that does not rule any particular sign but each of us has an "Earth" placement (asc). So I think the asc is more valid as the secondary.
Posted by caligula
Irrational.
You are not the sum of your "parents" for if that was the case, Venus would also be fire. Each planet has its own identity and complexities. You claim to know astrology and yet, you know nothing of Mercury/Hermes. "He" is air...all the time.
Mercury IS air. Period.
You attribute a secondary element to these signs and offer no proof. You're entitled to your opinion but without any factual or intellectual basis, your spout infactual info and misinformation simply makes you an asshole.
No wonder virgo is so anal. Are you a virgin?click to expand
you stated that it is independent of the planet. secondary would be the indirect element not the direct element. mercury is the hottest planet and hermes is always depicted with being a trailblazer so the initial proposal is formed on gathering bits of information to form a sound and reasonable deduction.
the fact that virgo is mutable can also mean that all water air and fire adapt in shape of its container with much more sensitivity than solid earth. so to use this to say virgo or hermes IS air as secondary will fail here. you need to use all information to form a sound and logical deduction
i would have suggested water for virgo as secondary because of the mutability, the more sensitive would be air, the mo
Agreed. I'm unequivocally a pistol. HOT, HOT, HOT!!!! 😉
@zeoblade, clearly you need to bone up on your astrology and mythology. you obviously know little of mercury/hermes with regard to mythology...nor does the OP.
the OP's argument related to planets, you are arguing qualities. in essence, you're both wrong.
astrology is what it is. falsely adapting established principles, critiquing them, presuming that you know what's best...ahh, virgo 😛
the OP's argument related to planets, you are arguing qualities. in essence, you're both wrong.
astrology is what it is. falsely adapting established principles, critiquing them, presuming that you know what's best...ahh, virgo 😛
Posted by caligula
@zeoblade, clearly you need to bone up on your astrology and mythology. you obviously know little of mercury/hermes with regard to mythology...nor does the OP.
the OP's argument related to planets, you are arguing qualities. in essence, you're both wrong.
astrology is what it is. falsely adapting established principles, critiquing them, presuming that you know what's best...ahh, virgo 😛
your words dont say much when you dont demonstrate your understanding
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I greatly disagree, I have studied mythology quite a bit in recent history as well as meditated on astrology.
Here is my assertion.
Virgo is Earth Fire...why? Virgo is ruled by Vulcan and Mercury. Vulcan is a blacksmith, a man who controls molten lava in order to create great works of technology. Uniting fire and earth. Mercury is the sign that travels between all realms except under the sea. He is accredited with CREATING FIRE.
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Thus for all Earth Signs.
Capricorn = Earth/Air
and
Taurus = Earth/Water
I think Virgo restlessness to create, short attention span for interests, and lightning fast logic all reflect a fire element...THAT IS when compared to the slow moving other Earth signs...
What do you think?