Rock bottom

Do you guys believe in hitting rock bottom? Is there such thing as the lowest point? Personally I don't think there ever is, depending on context, own emotions and the severity at the particular time they all seem to be very 'rock bottom'. Second part is how do you deal with the said situations? For example are alcohol and drugs and stagnation a necessary evil for you to move on? Or are you quick to dust it off?

I dunno man I've never had a problem with drugs and alcohol...

I think my rock bottom would be lazy-ness and immense emotional pain because it's very difficult sometimes for me to get over stuff if I let someone that close to cut me that deep... I can really do some stupid stuff when Im in emotional distress lol... Maybe because it is unfamiliar to me or it is just all the more real for Aquas.

Yes there is rock bottom. A point where the mind and or body can go no further. Everyones "rock bottom" is at a different point. Some points would be at certain amount of pain or hardship that they could no longer tolerate. Others only after there bodies or minds fail or even die do they hit rock bottom. My cousin died from a drug addiction (suicide) so sadly yes he hit rock bottom. Myself i practice moderation to avoid hitting it, under the fear I would keep digging at the rocky bottom out sheer stuborness.

Posted by NotYourAverageAquarius
I dunno man I've never had a problem with drugs and alcohol...

I think my rock bottom would be lazy-ness and immense emotional pain because it's very difficult sometimes for me to get over stuff if I let someone that close to cut me that deep... I can really do some stupid stuff when Im in emotional distress lol... Maybe because it is unfamiliar to me or it is just all the more real for Aquas.

I understand that when i get hurt IT HURTS! Its a new feeling i am not good with. Good thing thats very rare thing to happen to me.

ahh ET see when you put it like that I can agree rock bottom means death. It's just hard for me to discern because I have an on going history with depression. Emotional stress is something I avoid at all costs knowing the spiraling effect it has on me and this might sound horrid but drugs does alleviate part of it... and I admit it's not the greatest of solutions but it does shut my brain off.

I just personally find it a bit striking that almost all of my Aqua friends have either suffered from depression or has some form of Anxiety disorder and it's probably quite common in others as well.

@tiziani: It's quite freaky you mention death of a loved one... it's quite a new ball game for that matter when things are out of your direct control.

Posted by aquasnoz
ahh ET see when you put it like that I can agree rock bottom means death. It's just hard for me to discern because I have an on going history with depression. Emotional stress is something I avoid at all costs knowing the spiraling effect it has on me and this might sound horrid but drugs does alleviate part of it... and I admit it's not the greatest of solutions but it does shut my brain off.

I just personally find it a bit striking that almost all of my Aqua friends have either suffered from depression or has some form of Anxiety disorder and it's probably quite common in others.

Just so I don't make you feel alone on this. My only real problem in life is ADD god man and it pisses me off too. But I really think I've developed it as a sorta defense mechanism to being hurt. When your or even paying attention it's hard for it to affect you. I have off and on taken medicine for it... I know I said I don't have problems with drugs, alcohol, or tobacco BUT I could see myself getting addicted to amphetamines because of how clear they make you think..... Well for me. BUT most people I know say about the same thing. Amphetamines can turn an Aqua into a super aqua I guess haha get all chaos of thoughts and constructively put them to good use.

On another note. I can so see how a lot of Aquarians can suffer from what you said above from a purely objective view of what the personality type of an Aqua is..... Almost all of us feel misunderstood and almost all of us usually are either using our brain and heart to destructively put down and destroy others (which I have not seen really only heard of so must be rare), or give and give to society with out much in return. Doing either of those can be extremely depressing at times but I find giving to always be an upper.... Even if it gets you down sometimes you can always remember your down because your only thinking of yourself. In my humblest of opinions selfishness is equivalent to depression or the edit causes of it. I know there are some of us who have had to live through some horrific lives and while that is a very good reason for being depressed .... Logically that would mean all who have had to live with an evil and vile upbringing would all be chronically and helplessly depressed BUT that is so not the case! Sometimes you find the most joyful, successful, just wonderful people to be around have h

have had to live with a horrific time in their life or childhood. These people who aren't depressed despite it seeming inevitable due to their upbringing are the ones who found the power in dying to their self ego. The ultimate bliss in practicing selflessness.....

I don't believe in rock bottom. I believe in having enough and not being able to tolerate your situation, but, I also believe it could ALWAYS be worse. People like to think that, 'I lost my mother, it can't get any worse than this.' Yes, losing a parent would be pretty hard to deal with, no doubt, and you may feel like it couldn't get worse, but truly, it can. If you experience the most emotionally painful thing the world can give to you, there are other things that can go wrong that aren't as emotionally painful, but can definitely make your situation worse. To me, rock bottom would be every single one of those things that can go wrong, does go wrong, but I don't believe it's possible to get to that point. Even if it ends in you dying, that doesn't mean that you got all the world could throw at you, you just don't have the opportunity to experience it all, anymore.
This is just one of those things that people have different standards for. Obviously, the word exists and people use it. But, in the context I believe it to mean, the word practically does exist or can't be applied. My version is closer to going through hell, and rock bottom is usually used in terms of emotional endurance, which, many people's emotional breaking points are many many levels above that of 'hell' (which, I would also refer to as just 'having enough'), or a collective definition of hell. Everyone has their own hell, though, too.

As for me, personally, when I've had nearly enough, I don't turn to drugs or whatever else. I use my will power to keep moving forward and get over it. I've never experienced anything terrible, but I've had my bouts of....what I might consider depression, or just intense sadness, but I've kept moving. The way I deal with it makes it harder to fully get over it all, but at least I'm doing something and moving forward.

@NYAA: good point I've always said before to myself that depression is selfish sometimes I struggle with words as to how I can even allow myself to be in that position. The weirdest of all was that when I was first diagnosed with it I had thought I had everything I could've wanted and apparently that was the cause because I was mentally rejecting it, isn't it ironic!

@Gandalf: It's definitely one of the mindsets I try to get myself into everyday 🙂 albeit falter sometimes but I think I'm getting there slowly. Interesting what you said about Karma too, I remember my dad taking me to a temple when I was a kid and they said in front of me that I would be the 'crucible' has to how karma unfolds itself in this family. Hefty words to take in *smh*.

@Scenic: I'm glad I'm not alone yay! I guess I'm indifferent about the word rock bottom much like you said. I try not to dismiss whatever problem people are going through no matter how big or small because knowing one emotional trigger might set it off. Though thing is after this 'clawing' your way back up from feeling completely down one tends to be a bit more caring about others and knowing your own triggers.

Sometimes I want to justify my drug use (which isn't often but still bad) and perhaps someday I'll have the willpower to stop soaking in the feelings and wanting to rationalise it all. I know the act of rationalising and not being able to sends me mental but I can't help but wanting to make sense of things. Even my view on it is a bit skewed, on one hand I can think of myself to be weak even if I don't abuse it but on the other it does allow my brain certain rest and see this so called clarity. Hmmm clarity or delusions? 😛 oh here I go again.

Isn't is such a pain to realize that your own behavior can be one thing or another, but you don't know which? It's like, you can view your situation from the outside, but when you view it from the inside, you can't figure it out. It makes me feel like...two different people...or perhaps and omnipotent view brought down by living inside a human brain, which is usually confused and uncertain. You know, but sometimes you don't, and sometimes you know, but can't act on that knowing, because you're only human.

...or maybe that's just me...or maybe that's just everyone.

I never really know, anymore. I have a feeling this may eventually lead to me being completely delusional or a little bit insane.

But, anyway, yes, everyone has had bad experiences, and I have no right to say that what they experienced shouldn't matter that much to them. I can only be there, and support them, and help them move forward. I know there is disparity between emotional reactions between people, and I don't feel any less sympathy for those who are going through a hard time that I would consider difficult, or one in which I would not consider as bad.

My previous comment was meant towards aquasnoz, if that wasn't clear. : )

@Scenic: definitely delusional! You're entirely bonkers but all the great people are! *shamelessly stolen from wonderland*

@tiziani:

I had a quick look at the video and surprising we do share very similar beliefs. Not sure how he came about to his but for me it's definitely interesting to share these experiences with other people.

In a nutshell I had a not-so-good upbringing (will explain if you need more than that) and there comes a point where you start to accept that there can nothing but sadness in your life. Probably isn't til you hit this point til you realise you only have two choices to make. One is to simply accept it, one is to deny it. Funny thing is you first need to accept your circumstances before you get to that point.

Once you can appreciate all that is sad in your life and accept the past doesn't define who you are then you start to see the beauty in a bit of blind faith and never giving up on that silver lining even if you don't know if it exists. I know this way of thinking doesn't happen over night but I'm glad I stuck to it. I think said before "How can you see beauty if you haven't seen sadness" much in the same way if you've given up on hope then you've closed all doors to success. This line of thought in my opinion leads a person to be a bit more caring in nature but the second part of the realisation is caring for yourself before others, to find that balance. Who knows it could've gone either ways I could've ended being really bitter but I'm glad I'm not.

I can't really condone or justify drug use like I said but I think without it at the time my willpower might've faltered simply because I was being bombarded with too many emotions.

@aquasnoz why do you think your going through depression? I have gone through a few bouts myself. Living in michigan i allways get the winter blues beyond the deeper ones. Finding the over all issue and taking the nessasary steps can be healing in it self. For myself i walk my depression away. Literally walk intil i work my issues out or i am to tired to care about my issue. Being alone miles going by helps me personally. My advice to any one is find a method to work things out your issues without drugs. Drugs fail to treat the cause just help people cope. The issue is unresolved and so the cycle repeats itself.

I think I might spiral downwards soon which sparked my interest in this topic but don't worry not quite there yet and I've made some arrangements to better things. There were just a couple of things not within my control at the time that arose and one that I will definitely have to deal with but I'm sort of laying that aside until I'm forced to.

Just sort of catching my own warning signs much like what you do to prevent it from flaring again. I think Aquas a gifted with the ability to rationalise which is what I depend on most of the time but there are times where I can't come to an obvious conclusion and as stubborn as we get I'll keep thinking and at times this has an almost paralyzing effect and I can be in that thinking state for weeks.

I don't use the drugs per se to ride out the entirety of the problem, but I feel as if though it helps me by shutting of that brain of mine that I feel would think myself into oblivion 😛

Hmm that does sound like an interesting drug. Might have to do my own research into that!

I tried meditation for a while but I find that it amplifies the feeling even more which was sort of counter productive, well there's that I'm quite certainly I just wasn't doing it right!

I did however take up boxing like you! My Libra asc is thanking me for that because I think a lot on a usual basis and when I need to unwind I might as well look good doing it smh

^ Just realised that first sentence made me sound like a complete drug addict smh

Also so true about alcohol! Somewhat glad it's somewhat costly for me to get to the point where I can't think clearly from alcohol. Motor controls can go out the window but my brain still thinks pretty clearly.

Well I speak much the same way as I write and I do try talking to others about this stuff. I'm not sure I think there is this stigma behind issues such as these or clearly they think it's as easy as "snapping out of it". That plus I still feel uncomfortable sharing the exact details for the fear that they can't relate. I do try IRL but I keep things very very vague.

It's much easier for me to get a clearer understanding from strangers like minded or not to gain more perspective because friends tend to care about my mental state as do everyone in general when you mention 'depression'. I know I allow my emotions to be part of my guide but on a public and on-line forum it leaves the rationalising a lot easier.

Posted by aquasnoz
Hmm that does sound like an interesting drug. Might have to do my own research into that!

I tried meditation for a while but I find that it amplifies the feeling even more which was sort of counter productive, well there's that I'm quite certainly I just wasn't doing it right!

I did however take up boxing like you! My Libra asc is thanking me for that because I think a lot on a usual basis and when I need to unwind I might as well look good doing it smh

Awwe 😢 ... Has a situation triggered you feeling this way? ok ya know what Im picking up, I may be wrong but this is what I feel Im seeing, I think you block yourself and do not allow yourself to feel that sadness all the way, thats where the problem is, Im guessing through all the thinking you do over those weeks, you intellectualize over a problem so you are thinking yourself through something rather than `feeling yourself through it, you dont want to feel it neither will allow yourself to feel it, if you arent allowing yourself to fully `feel` your pain and emotions then you cant fully revisit the problem causing you to feel this way, its like blocking parts of yourself to yourself which then eventually takes you back into the same cycle, you have to allow yourself to feel that rock bottom otherwise you will start to feel it physically, like anxious feelings,those are the horrible re-acuring feelings that cause you to block it and do something else ie: the drugs/drink, anything but want to feel that..

.. Whilst you arent revisiting the experiences that cause that sadness you cant grow from it, make real sense of it or grow/heal from it, if you allow your heart to break open (in my case i often have to force myself to!) I promise you it makes a huge difference, because it makes you address it properly and self explore alot deeper, encouraging you to own and take responsibility for your feelings and then you make the changes from inside, you break the cycle and you learn self love and you come from a good place, situations and people bother you less, you change your personal blue print for yourself 🙂

Doesnt matter if it lasts weeks as long as you come out the other end learning something and breaking the cycle, you should be able to take all the time you need.

Luckily i dont suffer from depression or anything alike but i have experienced some awful situations,I learnt to do this last year and through this i was able to control how quick i could get over something and made it feel really easy,that horrible anxious feeling which i had been feeling for months was gone with 5 days, I have taken so much space for myself, still am but ya know what sweet, I wake up every day with that same brand new feeling of feeling in love, Im loving life, the simplicity of it and never feel lonely, I am soooo in love with life, everything that comes from me is good so im even in love with me! 😄

Can you also remember a while back and we were on the same page trying to help people understand how and why we can and do remove our emotions in a situation to enable us to make a correct analysis which is fair and rational, as much as it has its advantages, thats an example of where we think ourselves through something rather than allowing ourselves to `feel` our way through it if thats the way we choose to deal with a situation we need to allow ourselves to feel it during the reflection part after and not carry on with JUST the thinking part.

@elle: Hello my dear! 🙂 I wish I can tell you that you were wrong! Check your PM!

I do remember that talk! Sometimes I do use it strategically, I feel it's the best choice to stop myself from making rash decisions when consumed by raw emotions. Much like Scenic pointed out before: Everything seems a lot easier viewing from the outside but internally even if I do say so myself it's a mess that I can't work out at this very moment.

So I guess in itself it's it's a mental guard against my emotions as much as I want to dislike this dual nature of mine sometimes I think it keeps me sane.

Posted by ElleSeCache
.. Whilst you arent revisiting the experiences that cause that sadness you cant grow from it, make real sense of it or grow/heal from it, if you allow your heart to break open (in my case i often have to force myself to!) I promise you it makes a huge difference, because it makes you address it properly and self explore alot deeper, encouraging you to own and take responsibility for your feelings and then you make the changes from inside, you break the cycle and you learn self love and you come from a good place, situations and people bother you less, you change your personal blue print for yourself 🙂

... I am soooo in love with life, everything that comes from me is good so im even in love with me! 😄

Also I fully agree with what you said about allowing your heart to break! I view it somewhat as "all or nothing" give it all or break it all! I think I'm subconsciously not wanting to do this purely due to fear of depression manifesting again but thank you I think deep down inside I really wanted to avoid it.

And the last part if why people love you crazy girl!

Posted by aquasnoz

Posted by ElleSeCache
.. Whilst you arent revisiting the experiences that cause that sadness you cant grow from it, make real sense of it or grow/heal from it, if you allow your heart to break open (in my case i often have to force myself to!) I promise you it makes a huge difference, because it makes you address it properly and self explore alot deeper, encouraging you to own and take responsibility for your feelings and then you make the changes from inside, you break the cycle and you learn self love and you come from a good place, situations and people bother you less, you change your personal blue print for yourself 🙂

... I am soooo in love with life, everything that comes from me is good so im even in love with me! 😄

Also I fully agree with what you said about allowing your heart to break! I view it somewhat as "all or nothing" give it all or break it all! I think I'm subconsciously not wanting to do this purely due to fear of depression manifesting again but thank you I think deep down inside I really wanted to avoid it.

And the last part if why people love you crazy girl!

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@Aquasnoz, perhaps you could have a heartbreak coach or partner to call on during this process?
Good luck with everything.