The Da Vinci Code

In spite of and because of all the hype, I went to see The Da Vinci Code yesterday. I found it to be an enjoyable movie. I had read a few uncomplimentary reviews about it and as I watched it I identified with some of criticisms, amoung them the anti-climactic ending, not drawing enough on the supense element in some scenes, not developing enough on some of the characters like the detective Fache and Silas the monk.

But aside from that, the subject matter of the movie brought up a lot of contraversial material, mainly about the suggestion that Jesus Christ was married to Mary Magdalene and had a child.

It all seems quite plausible, or at least just as much as what Christianity has been preaching through the gospel and their own individual doctrine through the centuries. To consider that Jesus may indeed have been in a relationship with a child, does not actually seem that contraversial or heretical to me. Actually if this is what had been preached to me form the beginning, it may very well have endeared me to my faith a lot more and made it more valid and more accessible that somebody whom my faith glorifies as the Messiah and the Savior of the World fromm Sin, was a person just everyone else. Why should this necessarily detract from his divinity?

It also seemed plausible that the established Christian Church would want to deny certain versions the story if they considered it went against their own monetary interests because, let's face it, the Church was very much a big business up until only about 30 years ago. Nowhere, I think, does the Bible say that priests should be celibate, anyway.

So basically, I don't think the movie was that extreme or controversial but rather stirred up for the public the great weight centuries of relious preaching to give them an opportunity to consider their origins of their faith for themselves.

PS Dear Lord, please forgive all my typos........

personally i found D Code quite interesting... but i dont take it all literally coz some of the thingz are fictional and not A FACT.....


'...Nowhere, I think, does the Bible say that priests should be celibate, anyway....'


well the apostle paul in 1st Corinthians 7:7-8;32-35: "But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of this world how she may please her husband....'

Celibacy in Catholism for the priests is a discipline and not a doctrine: in other words, a church regulation... not a commandement from God...



wikipedia explainz it better.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy<BR>

Of course if St Paul had thought it through a bit further he probable would have added: "...But he that is without a wife, and a healthy natural outlet for his sexual feelings, shall more than likely resort to unhealthy and covert ways to satisfy them by abusing those who hold him in reverence and superiority...."

paul also said "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am." ....

this scripture makes people think that paul was never married... while others argue that he was married once and was a widow coz he was a Pharisee, and some think even a member of the Sanhedrin and the social norm of that time required Pharisees and members of the Sanhedrin to be married.....

so people interpet the sriptures the way they want to....and its fine... if u dont wanna marry.. fine..DONT.... God's not going to condemn u for these silly reasonz.....there r other important thingz to worry about then these...

MD im not even a Catholic but i can understand their feelingz... everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe and as long as they are doing good and not forcing u like the 'TALABANS' then im fine with that 🙂...

well i've read the book and seen the movie and i knew it before hand that it will be nothing like the book so i just went in there and watched the movie from the point of veiw of person who hasnt read the book ....and ya it was a lil' confuisn' especially the Ritual that sophie saw her grandpa doin'... they didnt explain that part and people were really confused and thought it was a satanic act or sumthin...LOL...

But over all it was a neat movie... i really liked it....especially Tom hanks work was SUPERB!!! hes a good actor... i enjoy his movies 🙂

"so people interpet the sriptures the way they want to....and its fine... if u dont wanna marry.. fine..DONT.... God's not going to condemn u for these silly reasonz.....there r other important thingz to worry about then these..."

Yeah but if you do wanna marry why not? In fact "marry" does even matter. "Have a partner" even. If priests had been allowed to have a partner and or/engage in normal sexual relationships it may have averted a lotof crap perpetrated by priests in the past.

i agree....it did get slow ....but that evening was soooo funny when i went out to see this movie coz one of my virgo friendz is sooo hilarious.. he was sooo mad after watchin' Da vinci Code coz accordin to him the director ' screwed the whole movie'..... and we were all tellin him how it was impossible to put all that detailz from the book into the movie and he was like 'ofcourse itz possible'( hes one eccentric,
hyper-everything guy..........LMAO........ and we thought he'd have made a better da vinci code movie 😛...... he wud make sure all the 'smallest' detailz are included...

ohhhh Gordon...typical virgo... reminds me of Branh0913 😛

'...If priests had been allowed to have a partner and or/engage in normal sexual relationships it may have averted a lotof crap perpetrated by priests in the past...'


MD if people choose to become priests and they KNOW beforeheand that they cant have a sexual relationship or they cant get married then why do they become one—

i personally think those priests who engaged in all that BS were pathetic anywayz coz why make all those covenants or promises that u cant keep...if u know ur gonna srew up thingz then dont become a priest.. as simple as that... the catholic church doesnt trick anyone to becum a nun or a priest... they have the freedom to choose but once they make the decision they need to abide by the principles and precepts taught...

That's very easy to say Eliza0012. The thing is it is NATURAL to have sexual urges and UNNATURAL and UNREASONABLE and UNREALISTIC to order men or women who want to work for God, from having sexual relationships. I'm sure a lot of young men who became priests had the best of intentions initially but somewhere a long the line their humanity caught up with them and so too the conflict arose between their vows versus their innate feelings and accompanying fear made them do crap things, usually taking advantage of people who were in a position of vulnerability.

I, for one, would have just as much, if not more, confidence and trust in a secular man who was married than one who is celibate. My best childhood friend was the daughter of a Presbyterian minister and he was the nicest, kindest, humane, Godly, humble man behind a collar that I have ever met, no exageration.

MD i have nothing against religious men getting married... i used to hang out wid loadz of mormons and their dad's were bishops in different wards and were neat men...and ya i agree men and women shud get married...

But then again u cant condemn the catholic church for their teachingz... thatz one of their disciplines and if u wanna be part of it u gotta live it.. if u dont like wat they teach but u still want to serve GOD.. go join another church 😛

and MD the catholic church never forces u to become a priest...they have a standard u have to live by if u wanna becum one....

and ya i know itz natural to have sexual feelingz thatz why dont ever becum a priest or nun coz that'll be tough 😛... but then again their are men who can live without it... who can perfectly control their urges....well maybe sumday the Pope will get a revelation or sumthin and the preists will be able to get maried 😛

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i agree with u SB...itz all in da mind... if u think itz a neccesity it will be for u... others can live without it...

the other day i was reading about Gandhi on wikipedia coz of all these DXP debates and i was amazed to read that he gave up sex in his 30s due to his religious beliefs....WOW.... that was interesting....

Sex is how humans procreate and thus how there are still humans still on the planet and therefore it is an innate part of every one of us. To supress it goes against what is natural. And since the Catholic Church is the first to harp on about what's "natural" and "unnatural" like homosexuality, they're kinda contradicting themselves a bit aren't they? But then again the Catholic Church is also well known for being incredibly hyprocritical through the ages.

The doctrine says that to take sex out of the equation leads to holier lives for the priests so they can give more to their vocations but as scandal after scandal shows, it has warped potentially good men into sexual perverts and deviants who have preyed on children as well as others who put their trust in them.

"the other day i was reading about Gandhi on wikipedia coz of all these DXP debates and i was amazed to read that he gave up sex in his 30s due to his religious beliefs....WOW.... that was interesting.... "


....that's kinda the reverse agrument there....Gandhi should never have got married then should he??!!

MD ghandhi wasnt a catholic 🙂

Yeah I know that Eliza but he *was* married.

so—

so if you get married you shoouldn't decide a few years down the line to go celibate.

I'm sure it goes across the religious board in terms of doctrine that if a man and woman do take the holy vows of matrimony then it is their duty to have sex and mutiply in the name of their respective god!

MD ghadhi was a kid when he was married.. he was only 13... his marriage wasnt a 'LOVE marriage'.. it was an 'arranged marriage'... so had he had the opprotunity to choose for himself he might not have done it 🙂

'...if a man and woman do take the holy vows of matrimony then it is their duty to have sex ...'

well if both partners decide not to have sex ( which was in Ghandi and his wife's case) then theres no point in us arguin' about it...whateva flows their boat.....

Why can't you extend your tolerant easy going attitude to priests and nuns who have the urge to get their boats flown ?!

'...The doctrine says that to take sex out of the equation leads to holier lives for the priests so they can give more to their vocations....'

MD people have different beliefz and opinions of just about everything under the sun...and some people believe that abstaining from sex and fasting alot makes u more spiritual and intune with the spirit... so let them belive wat they want to believe.... and when u choose to become part of that - be it a buddhist monk, or a priest - u need to try to live by the rules....

No eliza, you should challenge the rules if you cannot see a point to them. That's part of *my* religion.

'...Why can't you extend your tolerant easy going attitude to priests and nuns who have the urge to get their boats flown ?!....'

well i dont mind if they wanna go ahead and have sex and get married... sure..why not?? im not condemnin' them for that.. itz the catholic church that is 😛.... but ya if they want to get married then they shud leave their office or sumthin coz accordin' to the church's doctrine u cant do that....

'... you should challenge the rules if you cannot see a point to them. That's part of *my* religion.....'

well atleast ur talkin about ur beliefs openly MD which is good.. wats the use of challengin something or disagreein' with it in silence?? why dont the priests and nuns cum out and say wat they feel anout the crappy system—