B1984
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when a Virgo Man says it's over— Help please!
he said that your relationship is "always going around in circles."
you said, it was a "silly argument."
what is your sun sign?
typically when one person wants to call it quits and the other person thinks that the tension/negatives in the relationship are small/"silly," it's that the latter person (you), is not truly recognizing the problems in the relationship.
he has most likely asked for changes in your behavior when you have argued in the past. you most likely took each argument as a solitary instance...a "silly argument" over an inconsequential issue whereas he took it as a fundamental problem between you two.
point is, until you figure out what is at the root of your "silly" arguments, he will leave...and do so without much regret.
what do you two typically argue about? what was the "silly argument" about?
you said, it was a "silly argument."
what is your sun sign?
typically when one person wants to call it quits and the other person thinks that the tension/negatives in the relationship are small/"silly," it's that the latter person (you), is not truly recognizing the problems in the relationship.
he has most likely asked for changes in your behavior when you have argued in the past. you most likely took each argument as a solitary instance...a "silly argument" over an inconsequential issue whereas he took it as a fundamental problem between you two.
point is, until you figure out what is at the root of your "silly" arguments, he will leave...and do so without much regret.
what do you two typically argue about? what was the "silly argument" about?
My starsign is Cancer.
Normally it might be because I've mood at him because he hasn't thought of me. He'll make plans and then just suddenly tell me. Sometimes I find he does what he wants and forgets his in a relationship to tell me.
The last arguement was that I was waiting for him to let me know if he was coming over my families after he had work. He came in and said haven't you left yet I said I take it your not coming then and that he couldve let me know. He then got his back up and started saying oh just f**k off. I was so Hirt I swore at him and then went out. The day I said sorry and he said na I've had enough. We're over.
I've tried asking and he don't want to know. We're still in our flat and his being friendly. We haven't spoke about what's happening with flat etc. Meant to be going on holiday in 3 weeks.
I miss him so much.
Normally it might be because I've mood at him because he hasn't thought of me. He'll make plans and then just suddenly tell me. Sometimes I find he does what he wants and forgets his in a relationship to tell me.
The last arguement was that I was waiting for him to let me know if he was coming over my families after he had work. He came in and said haven't you left yet I said I take it your not coming then and that he couldve let me know. He then got his back up and started saying oh just f**k off. I was so Hirt I swore at him and then went out. The day I said sorry and he said na I've had enough. We're over.
I've tried asking and he don't want to know. We're still in our flat and his being friendly. We haven't spoke about what's happening with flat etc. Meant to be going on holiday in 3 weeks.
I miss him so much.
interesting...given that he's walled himself off and is refusing to communicate, try writing a letter.
in that letter, do not trivialize your past arguments. you have to realize, it's not about the argument itself. ie, the issue for him may not have been that you swore at him, but rather, is it possible that you're co-dependent?
you said...
he hasn't thought of me.
He'll make plans and then just suddenly tell me.
Sometimes I find he does what he wants and forgets his in a relationship to tell me.
He came in and said haven't you left yet I said I take it your not coming then and that he couldve let me know. He then got his back up and started saying oh just f**k off.
it just seems, from that little bit that you provided, that you're needy and not very independent. could it be that you seek to do far more activities together and are threatened when he unilaterally makes decisions for you and/or himself?
overall, i think you need to ask yourself some tough questions and get at the root of WHY he is pushing back. IF you are co-dependent, if you have a problem giving him space without in turn becoming moody/negative, if you have trouble acting independently, if you have trouble with decision making, then those are all things you can work on if you're willing.
once you can pinpoint the behaviors he doesn't like, you can then ask yourself if those behaviors are change-worthy. just because he doesn't like them, doesn't mean you need to change. BUT, if those behaviors are negative, you should want to correct them regardless of him.
so, if you are co-dependent for example, in your letter, acknowledge this and apologize for not recognizing it sooner.
the ONLY time you should bring up specific examples in your letter is to illustrate that you understand how you have demonstrated this behavior (co-dependence or whatever)...
in that letter, do not trivialize your past arguments. you have to realize, it's not about the argument itself. ie, the issue for him may not have been that you swore at him, but rather, is it possible that you're co-dependent?
you said...
he hasn't thought of me.
He'll make plans and then just suddenly tell me.
Sometimes I find he does what he wants and forgets his in a relationship to tell me.
He came in and said haven't you left yet I said I take it your not coming then and that he couldve let me know. He then got his back up and started saying oh just f**k off.
it just seems, from that little bit that you provided, that you're needy and not very independent. could it be that you seek to do far more activities together and are threatened when he unilaterally makes decisions for you and/or himself?
overall, i think you need to ask yourself some tough questions and get at the root of WHY he is pushing back. IF you are co-dependent, if you have a problem giving him space without in turn becoming moody/negative, if you have trouble acting independently, if you have trouble with decision making, then those are all things you can work on if you're willing.
once you can pinpoint the behaviors he doesn't like, you can then ask yourself if those behaviors are change-worthy. just because he doesn't like them, doesn't mean you need to change. BUT, if those behaviors are negative, you should want to correct them regardless of him.
so, if you are co-dependent for example, in your letter, acknowledge this and apologize for not recognizing it sooner.
the ONLY time you should bring up specific examples in your letter is to illustrate that you understand how you have demonstrated this behavior (co-dependence or whatever)...
i guarantee that his issues with you have to do with some personality flaw that resides in you. it's really difficult to see it when you're in the midst of it...when you're younger, but if you take a step back and are honest with yourself and can see your behavior through another person's eyes, things will become clearer.
i think he needs you to acknowledge these flaws...
- i mean, how can you change the flaws if you don't even realize they exist?
- if you don't realize they exist, then how can you two stop arguing?
- if you can't stop arguing, how can your relationship get better?
^those are the questions that i'm sure he's asked himself and the answers are not in your favor, but you can change his mind by simply growing up and recognizing YOUR role in the conflict.
this doesn't mean mr. virgo is perfect...he just thinks he is. i'm sure he has some things to acknowledge himself, but don't focus so much on his issues. in fact, don't even discuss his role or things he does or how he caused you to do xyz.
the only person you can control is you. the only person you can change is you and as i said, where it may seem like you're changing for him, don't look at it that way...
you're not perfect right? you'll probably never be perfect but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't work on improving yourself. maybe the virgo is simply a catalyst to get the ball rolling...to get you started on improving aspects of yourself that need to be improved upon anyway?
in your letter, vow to make positive changes for yourself. actively work on making those changes and who knows, he may see that you have corrected your issues which may inspire him to correct his...with you, instead of without you.
good luck...
i think he needs you to acknowledge these flaws...
- i mean, how can you change the flaws if you don't even realize they exist?
- if you don't realize they exist, then how can you two stop arguing?
- if you can't stop arguing, how can your relationship get better?
^those are the questions that i'm sure he's asked himself and the answers are not in your favor, but you can change his mind by simply growing up and recognizing YOUR role in the conflict.
this doesn't mean mr. virgo is perfect...he just thinks he is. i'm sure he has some things to acknowledge himself, but don't focus so much on his issues. in fact, don't even discuss his role or things he does or how he caused you to do xyz.
the only person you can control is you. the only person you can change is you and as i said, where it may seem like you're changing for him, don't look at it that way...
you're not perfect right? you'll probably never be perfect but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't work on improving yourself. maybe the virgo is simply a catalyst to get the ball rolling...to get you started on improving aspects of yourself that need to be improved upon anyway?
in your letter, vow to make positive changes for yourself. actively work on making those changes and who knows, he may see that you have corrected your issues which may inspire him to correct his...with you, instead of without you.
good luck...
thank you so much for this... I think you just hit the nail on the head and really made me realise i am co-dependent. which has been made worse because we moved in together in london so i'm a good two hours away from family and friends so i've found it hard to adapt. and therefore probably needed him more then ever. he probably hated the fact that i hadn't just left to go to my family as i remember him saying can't you be independent and decide for yourself what to do.
I'm not too needy, like he meets mates after work for drinks and i don't say anything.
but then he needs to learn to talk to me and not just end it. i really think his made his decision so i'm not sure if even me admitting my issues will have an effect.
he has gone out drinking with mates today so I'm thinking of just packing a night bag and driving 2 and half hours to my sisters for the night. he'll probably wonder why i never was home tonight but then he'll see i'm doing what i want.
what do you think.
I'm not too needy, like he meets mates after work for drinks and i don't say anything.
but then he needs to learn to talk to me and not just end it. i really think his made his decision so i'm not sure if even me admitting my issues will have an effect.
he has gone out drinking with mates today so I'm thinking of just packing a night bag and driving 2 and half hours to my sisters for the night. he'll probably wonder why i never was home tonight but then he'll see i'm doing what i want.
what do you think.
that's a cancer response..."i'll show him!" leaving in that manner will be typical behavior, not independence.
yes, you should have simply gone to your family's. you could have left a note, VM, text...something and simply stated that you wanted to get to your family's before "x" time and that it'd be great if he joined you later. if not, tell him to have a good time in your absence. in the end, you'd get to be with your family and he doesn't have to feel like a shit because he simply didn't want to go or for making you late.
given he's been drinking, i wouldn't discuss any issues tonight.
now that you've identified at least one of your potential problems, co-dependence, instead of justifying your behavior (i'm new to london and am having a hard time adjusting), start thinking of ways in which you can positively exercise some independence. truth is, isn't it time?
i mean, do you want to be a shackle around his ankle or do you want a life of your own? where his companionship is comforting, you'll eventually need friendships/activities outside of him so why not begin that process now?
i would also try to examine if there are other issues? maybe co-dependence IS the issue, but if there are others, dig deep and try to discover them. then in the same process, ask yourself how you can go about improving in those areas as well.
how you communicate your new found understanding of you, to him, is up to you, but overall, acknowledging these problems MAY go a long way in changing his mind.
yes, you should have simply gone to your family's. you could have left a note, VM, text...something and simply stated that you wanted to get to your family's before "x" time and that it'd be great if he joined you later. if not, tell him to have a good time in your absence. in the end, you'd get to be with your family and he doesn't have to feel like a shit because he simply didn't want to go or for making you late.
given he's been drinking, i wouldn't discuss any issues tonight.
now that you've identified at least one of your potential problems, co-dependence, instead of justifying your behavior (i'm new to london and am having a hard time adjusting), start thinking of ways in which you can positively exercise some independence. truth is, isn't it time?
i mean, do you want to be a shackle around his ankle or do you want a life of your own? where his companionship is comforting, you'll eventually need friendships/activities outside of him so why not begin that process now?
i would also try to examine if there are other issues? maybe co-dependence IS the issue, but if there are others, dig deep and try to discover them. then in the same process, ask yourself how you can go about improving in those areas as well.
how you communicate your new found understanding of you, to him, is up to you, but overall, acknowledging these problems MAY go a long way in changing his mind.
and you know, maybe he has made up his mind BUT, why would he not? you have yet to give him any indication that you're trying to change. he thinks these issues will exist indefinitely and by virtue of that, why should he want to stay?
i'm not saying that he will change his mind, but in order for that to happen, you have to give him reason to.
if, prior to today, you had yet to recognize that you can be co-dependent, then simply stating that could be a relief for him. i mean, finally, you get it! granted, that doesn't mean you'll change over night, but as i said, maybe if he starts to see that you're actually trying to remedy this, it will make him feel better about giving your relationship one more try.
i'm not saying that he will change his mind, but in order for that to happen, you have to give him reason to.
if, prior to today, you had yet to recognize that you can be co-dependent, then simply stating that could be a relief for him. i mean, finally, you get it! granted, that doesn't mean you'll change over night, but as i said, maybe if he starts to see that you're actually trying to remedy this, it will make him feel better about giving your relationship one more try.
I honestly don't think there's other issues, just this part of me that he don't like ... and i don't like either. thats why before this argument i had made plans for girlie nights out at the end of the month and was trying to better myself and become who i want to be.
i want to write him a letter but i am awful at getting to the point and writting it down, but would also like to leave him a letter and go to my sisters just to have a break from myself and him.
i want to write him a letter but i am awful at getting to the point and writting it down, but would also like to leave him a letter and go to my sisters just to have a break from myself and him.
well, if you need space, that's fine, BUT how you go about communicating this is important.
it's like 16:44 there right? i dunno, i guess that's not a bad time to leave, but i hope that you're doing it in such a way that doesn't invoke pity/remorse.
you've acknowledged you're co-dependent and with that, comes a bit of manipulation. in other words, he helps/assists you because he wants to, but also because he feels sorry for you. if you leave in such a manner that makes him feel like a shit, you only further the problem.
ie, your not leaving for your family's. he comes home and it's like, great, she's still here AND she's upset. so now, he's supposed to feel like an asshole because you didn't simply go visit your family on your own.
in this case, going to visit your sister may be an excellent idea, but do yourself a favor and communicate it in a POSITIVE way. ie, don't say "i need space" or "i figured you need some time alone" or some other whiny crap.
it'd be much better if you were simply going to visit your sister...you miss her and maybe you two are going to hang out or whatever. overall, don't make visiting her a negative. you're not escaping an issue/problem at home, you're doing something POSITIVE and INDEPENDENT for a change.
does that make sense?
it's like 16:44 there right? i dunno, i guess that's not a bad time to leave, but i hope that you're doing it in such a way that doesn't invoke pity/remorse.
you've acknowledged you're co-dependent and with that, comes a bit of manipulation. in other words, he helps/assists you because he wants to, but also because he feels sorry for you. if you leave in such a manner that makes him feel like a shit, you only further the problem.
ie, your not leaving for your family's. he comes home and it's like, great, she's still here AND she's upset. so now, he's supposed to feel like an asshole because you didn't simply go visit your family on your own.
in this case, going to visit your sister may be an excellent idea, but do yourself a favor and communicate it in a POSITIVE way. ie, don't say "i need space" or "i figured you need some time alone" or some other whiny crap.
it'd be much better if you were simply going to visit your sister...you miss her and maybe you two are going to hang out or whatever. overall, don't make visiting her a negative. you're not escaping an issue/problem at home, you're doing something POSITIVE and INDEPENDENT for a change.
does that make sense?
yes that makes sense & you're right about it sounding positive.
it's about 16:00 now. his not in and probably won't get home til late. so if i leave him a letter and then maybe explain in the letter i've gone to visit sister as i didn't have plans and fancied a catch up and that i'll see him tomorrow. was thinking of writing at the end of the letter that i respect that it's over and that i didn't realise my issue until it was too late but that i want to remain friends if that's what he wants.
it's about 16:00 now. his not in and probably won't get home til late. so if i leave him a letter and then maybe explain in the letter i've gone to visit sister as i didn't have plans and fancied a catch up and that i'll see him tomorrow. was thinking of writing at the end of the letter that i respect that it's over and that i didn't realise my issue until it was too late but that i want to remain friends if that's what he wants.
was thinking of writing at the end of the letter that i respect that it's over and that i didn't realise my issue until it was too late but that i want to remain friends if that's what he wants.
uhm...NO!
why lie? do you want to be his friend or do you want to work on your relationship? why concede if that's not what you want?
as i said, he has NO clue that you get it. he has NO clue that you recognize that you're co-dependent. why then would he want to maintain a relationship with you? he thinks it's the status quo and in reality, you've found an area that MAY be at the root of the problem.
cancer is a negative sign and what you've written above is negative. not too long ago he said he loved you correct? he hasn't discussed new living arrangements, he's being friendly, correct? it could be that he's waiting for you to simply leave. it could be that he hasn't decided himself what course of action to take. if it's the latter and he still has feelings for you, it may be worth it to not side-step this crabby.
go to your sisters and regroup. think of a POSITIVE way that you can communicate your new found understanding to him. if you feel that you were wrong in some areas, apologize and vow to do better. how he chooses to respond to your honesty is up to him, but stop feeling sorry for yourself. take some action and be willing to address the problem WITHOUT the subtle emotional manipulation.
on a side note, how long have you two been together? how long have you two lived together? when did this last argument occur? do you both have jobs?
uhm...NO!
why lie? do you want to be his friend or do you want to work on your relationship? why concede if that's not what you want?
as i said, he has NO clue that you get it. he has NO clue that you recognize that you're co-dependent. why then would he want to maintain a relationship with you? he thinks it's the status quo and in reality, you've found an area that MAY be at the root of the problem.
cancer is a negative sign and what you've written above is negative. not too long ago he said he loved you correct? he hasn't discussed new living arrangements, he's being friendly, correct? it could be that he's waiting for you to simply leave. it could be that he hasn't decided himself what course of action to take. if it's the latter and he still has feelings for you, it may be worth it to not side-step this crabby.
go to your sisters and regroup. think of a POSITIVE way that you can communicate your new found understanding to him. if you feel that you were wrong in some areas, apologize and vow to do better. how he chooses to respond to your honesty is up to him, but stop feeling sorry for yourself. take some action and be willing to address the problem WITHOUT the subtle emotional manipulation.
on a side note, how long have you two been together? how long have you two lived together? when did this last argument occur? do you both have jobs?
i want to work on our relationship.. you're right.
yes he said he loved me a day or so before argument. and no he hasn't discussed our flat, his just been sleeping on the sofa bed. he's being friendly. i can't simply leave as both our names are on the rent agreement. plus i have a new job starting monday which is close to our flat.
i've wrote him a simple letter explaining what i've leant from this last week and my issues.
we've been together 11 months and lived together just under two months so i always thought it was teething problems and getting use to living together. the last argument was sat/sun last week. he has a job that has been stressing him out for the last two months and i lost my job 2 weeks ago and i am starting a new job on monday.
yes he said he loved me a day or so before argument. and no he hasn't discussed our flat, his just been sleeping on the sofa bed. he's being friendly. i can't simply leave as both our names are on the rent agreement. plus i have a new job starting monday which is close to our flat.
i've wrote him a simple letter explaining what i've leant from this last week and my issues.
we've been together 11 months and lived together just under two months so i always thought it was teething problems and getting use to living together. the last argument was sat/sun last week. he has a job that has been stressing him out for the last two months and i lost my job 2 weeks ago and i am starting a new job on monday.
well, it sounds like you two are bound together, at least financially, until the lease runs its course. the fact that neither of you has discussed this speaks volumes.
given that you're starting a new job, there goes that co-dependence again. he doesn't hate you and to ask you to leave under these circumstances would just be wrong. so even if he did want you to go, he can't exactly kick you out. given his credit is on the line, he can't exactly leave.
on the same note, your not taking the initiative to discuss YOUR future and that's a problem. what would you do if he asked you to leave? what would be your backup plan? what would you do if he simply left?
you have to assert yourself and be willing to iron out any potential problems that can arise from this breakup and that includes living arrangements. in a way, your mutual unwillingness to discuss this only further augments...yes, co-dependence.
if it were me, i'd have a two-fold strategy. i'd be honest with myself and recognize that i don't wish to break-up, BUT, i'd also be realistic and recognize that if we couldn't mend it, i/he needs to find alternate living arrangements.
and remember, virgos are detailed oriented creatures and your formulating a plan in either event will speak to him, so maybe what you should work on while you're at your sister's is a feasible exit plan that you will present to him soon. it doesn't have to be an immediate move-out, but maybe 60-90 days is reasonable under the circumstances. it allows you to save money or notify your landlord that you're breaking the lease, etc...
as far as the relationship, i've already suggested what you need to do. he will NOT get back with you if certain issues aren't addressed. if he agrees to the 60-90 days for the effective move-out, use that time to rebuild your friendship. if it doesn't workout, oh well, at least you tried.
given that you're starting a new job, there goes that co-dependence again. he doesn't hate you and to ask you to leave under these circumstances would just be wrong. so even if he did want you to go, he can't exactly kick you out. given his credit is on the line, he can't exactly leave.
on the same note, your not taking the initiative to discuss YOUR future and that's a problem. what would you do if he asked you to leave? what would be your backup plan? what would you do if he simply left?
you have to assert yourself and be willing to iron out any potential problems that can arise from this breakup and that includes living arrangements. in a way, your mutual unwillingness to discuss this only further augments...yes, co-dependence.
if it were me, i'd have a two-fold strategy. i'd be honest with myself and recognize that i don't wish to break-up, BUT, i'd also be realistic and recognize that if we couldn't mend it, i/he needs to find alternate living arrangements.
and remember, virgos are detailed oriented creatures and your formulating a plan in either event will speak to him, so maybe what you should work on while you're at your sister's is a feasible exit plan that you will present to him soon. it doesn't have to be an immediate move-out, but maybe 60-90 days is reasonable under the circumstances. it allows you to save money or notify your landlord that you're breaking the lease, etc...
as far as the relationship, i've already suggested what you need to do. he will NOT get back with you if certain issues aren't addressed. if he agrees to the 60-90 days for the effective move-out, use that time to rebuild your friendship. if it doesn't workout, oh well, at least you tried.
^use that time to rebuild the friendship AND work on your personal issues.
HOPEFULLY, he will see that you're trying and IF he still loves you, he may reconsider. if he doesn't, well, your heart is broken, but at least you'll have taken steps to positively move on.
HOPEFULLY, he will see that you're trying and IF he still loves you, he may reconsider. if he doesn't, well, your heart is broken, but at least you'll have taken steps to positively move on.
that has helped me a lot. thank you so much. i will start thinking of me and my future and prepare to talk to him about our living situation.
i've wrote him a letter and i'm about to leave for my sisters. i'm nervous but i know its what i want to say to him. suppose the nerves come from not knowing what will happen.
I will keep you updated as to how it goes.
i've wrote him a letter and i'm about to leave for my sisters. i'm nervous but i know its what i want to say to him. suppose the nerves come from not knowing what will happen.
I will keep you updated as to how it goes.
good luck!
Hi, soooo
We had a chat eventually and we had a big heart to heart and the issue was that he's never done anything for himself and that he wants to take the pressure off us and to build a strong friendship first. He then said he still finds me attractive and wants to sleep with me. So I thought right you just want to be friends so I thought fine theres nothing more I can do. He said he was looking at traveling but then said we'll give the flat 6 months (which i thought was a long time) the next day he said he still see's himself as being with me. so now i'm back to being confused. he said i'm the best girlfriend his had so it's like he wants me to be there but to do his own thing too. It's looking like he don't want to go on holiday next week but to have a week alone instead.
Since then we've been getting on fine and just taking it day by day. his come on to me quite a few times. I've been making plans with friends and looking like i'm just getting on with things.
Not sure were it's going to be honest.
We had a chat eventually and we had a big heart to heart and the issue was that he's never done anything for himself and that he wants to take the pressure off us and to build a strong friendship first. He then said he still finds me attractive and wants to sleep with me. So I thought right you just want to be friends so I thought fine theres nothing more I can do. He said he was looking at traveling but then said we'll give the flat 6 months (which i thought was a long time) the next day he said he still see's himself as being with me. so now i'm back to being confused. he said i'm the best girlfriend his had so it's like he wants me to be there but to do his own thing too. It's looking like he don't want to go on holiday next week but to have a week alone instead.
Since then we've been getting on fine and just taking it day by day. his come on to me quite a few times. I've been making plans with friends and looking like i'm just getting on with things.
Not sure were it's going to be honest.
With Virgo....it's over. They tend to spend endless time thinking and deciding regarding the outcome of certain situations. He's decided. Time for you to move on.
you're living together and the most obvious step in your relationship would be marriage or some formal commitment. this isn't something that you should take lightly and neither should he.
i wouldn't say that it's over, BUT, i wouldn't put all of my eggs in one basket either. you have to ask yourself if you're willing to wait 6 months and let someone else decide your future. the reality is, if he's more committed in 6 months, all is well. if he decides to call it quits, you have to move on. the point is, by waiting on his decision, you're putting your future in someone else's hands and no one should be in that position...except maybe a child of course.
if you're willing to stay and see how things pan out, that's fine BUT, i would continue to build a network of friends and a life outside of this relationship. it will be better for you regardless of how the situation turns out because at the end of the day, your interests may not be his and you need to foster an environment/life outside of him. it doesn't mean you're drifting apart, it's just a realistic approach to any union.
i feel that if you develop your network and do things that make you happy, then the two of you can either grow as a couple or not. if it's the latter, oh well, it didn't work out but that doesn't mean you can't/won't be able to pick yourself up and move on.
i wouldn't say that it's over, BUT, i wouldn't put all of my eggs in one basket either. you have to ask yourself if you're willing to wait 6 months and let someone else decide your future. the reality is, if he's more committed in 6 months, all is well. if he decides to call it quits, you have to move on. the point is, by waiting on his decision, you're putting your future in someone else's hands and no one should be in that position...except maybe a child of course.
if you're willing to stay and see how things pan out, that's fine BUT, i would continue to build a network of friends and a life outside of this relationship. it will be better for you regardless of how the situation turns out because at the end of the day, your interests may not be his and you need to foster an environment/life outside of him. it doesn't mean you're drifting apart, it's just a realistic approach to any union.
i feel that if you develop your network and do things that make you happy, then the two of you can either grow as a couple or not. if it's the latter, oh well, it didn't work out but that doesn't mean you can't/won't be able to pick yourself up and move on.
Didn't read any of it... but, if a Virgo man says it's over, you can pretty much guarantee they've thought it over and you're done!
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I went on holiday alone and had an amazing time. I really needed the break and to find myself again. While i was away he got in contact and said his made a massive mistake and cares a lot about me and loves me. I didn't jump at his words because he'd really drained me, I told him we'll talk when I'm home and I told him he is so close to loosing me.. When I got home we had a talk about things and got everything off our chest. His said he wants to do more with me as his realised he tries too much with his mates and it's me that he should be doing more with. I've been organising my own nights out with mates and keeping a good balance. Definatly not so co dependent as before. Things have been going really well and we're a lot closer and when he's arranging nights with his mates he gets me more involved and sometimes I just say no you go and have fun and I chill and do my own thing. Thanks for your advise Caligula 🙂
it means it is O.VUH
Congrats 🙂
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