I love this board. I know I'm a newcomer and most all of you have been here longer and know each other better...but, I am sorry all this is going on with the names and IP address's. I'm sure it will all work out. I have posted about this before and gotten some really good advise from most of you. Here it is.
I have been involved with a Cancer man for 11 months. I am falling in love with him...he is everything I've ever wanted in a man. Problem...He was married for 18 years, 3 wonderful children. His divorce should be in a week. This woman has left him 3 or 4 times...she wipes out the bank accounts, max's out the credit cards and leaves him to fix it all. Tried to cause him to lose his job...has been a real devil about his relationship with his children. I have been there with him all this time, seen how hurt he was, he opened up to me. She has wanted nothing to do with him...until now. One week before the divorce. Up until about 4 months ago, this worried me, some things he had said, lead me to think he might go back just for his kids...but then, he started talking about us, little remarks that made me think we might have a long lasting relationship in the future. We get along so well and the sex is out of this world. Listen, I would marry this man today if he would ask me. I am so scared, It would devastate me. You know how Cancer's are...they only open up to you if they want to...They hate confrontation and will avoid it if they don't want to talk. I asked him...point blank...Are you gonna go back? I could tell he didn't want to talk about it too much, kept changing the subject. He says, She wants to get back together, told me she was sorry...he told me...she is out of money now, how do I know she might not do this again to me down the road...I want someone to stay with me...not leave and come back...I don't think I want to do this again. I heard hesitation in his answer. Oh, if he goes back, I know her...I will have to see them together...she has no idea he has been in bed, my home, been around my boys. What to do? Should I bale out now, wait to see what happens....or keep seeing him, and take a chance? Please tell me what you would do? He does not know I LOVE HIM...I have not told him yet, been waiting on his divorce. I am soooo upset and I can't talk to him about it....I know he is thinking and can tell he does'nt want me to ask him about it now...What to do?
This is what I know about Cancer men. (But, I am not an expert...and I don't know that I want you to take advice from me that may lead you wrong!...) The Cancer man I knew and cared about could have great sex with any woman and not get involved....if he thought it meant only sex to her. He had many affairs with married women and girlfriends of other guys before he met me, as well as single women. He was magnetic! He almost left me before it got serious...I hadn't told him how I felt...thinking he didn't want to hear it...but, things were good...I didn't understand why he was leaving...it was just his way I guess...but, I told him how I felt and he stayed! To this day, I think he would get back with me if I would give the Yea signal.. but, we outgrew each other or something...
What I am saying: If you have strong feelings and you think you might lose him...tell him about your feelings. It might matter to him! If you still lose him...at least the air was cleared!
Once attached, it is hard to detach them. She seems to play on this. He thinks he has no one else that wants to be attached to him.
"What constitutes a healthy relationship?" by Susie and Otto Collins
Recently, one of our newsletter subscribers asked for our take on what constitutes a healthy relationship and we decided we would answer her question and include it here in this week's newsletter.
In our opinion, a healthy relationship is based on two ideals: First--both people in the relationship are partners; Second-- in Stephen Covey's words from the "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" everything that happens between the two people is a "win/win" or no deal.
With that being said, here are some elements that we consider to be necessary in a healthy relationship:
In a healthy relationship, the intentions for the relationship are set in advance and agreements are made from these intentions.
No matter what kind of relationship you are involved in, it is possible to determine, set and create in advance intentions for the relationship. Whether with a parent, child, supervisor, co-worker, or significant other--you can work with the other person to create what you both want in the relationship. As the relationship grows, changes and evolves, intentions and the agreements made from these intentions are constantly renegotiated.
In a healthy relationship, both people are able to be authentic in who they truly are and are able to speak their truth.
In a healthy relationship of any kind, both people are able to be themselves and to speak freely about their ideas and what they are feeling without blame, judgment, or criticism. They are simply honored for who they are.
In a healthy relationship, both people take responsibility for their actions, their thoughts, and their words.
As we've said in past articles, they each take 100% responsibility--no more and no less-- for what's going on in the relationship.
In a healthy relationship, both people are emotionally aware and are both able and willing to look inside themselves for what's really at the bottom of an issue or feeling and what's most important to them.
Emotional awareness allows a person to know what he or she is feeling in every moment. It is your measurement stick that tells you whether your needs are being met, your life is in balance and whether you are happy or not.
I received this in my mailbox and thought that I might share it...seems to make sense to me. Got2bgood, I know what you are going through is tough. I agree with Star...express YOUR feelings. If this relationship is meant to be than it will be. Have no regrets. Just be who you are and know that no matter what happens, it is for the best. All situations are meant to be as they are given to us for our growth. My best wishes to you and to your Cancer man.
Star I can't say I have read the posts properly as they r too long
But I did read your last few sentences and I would say you hit the nail on the head with what you said because I totally understand what you mean.
However, I think that everyone gets attached to other people. Just different types of people and sometimes in more subtle ways. Us cancers are not THAT needy, perhaps we just wear our heart on our sleeves a lot more often than perhaps most "normal" (!) people do and that gives off the impression that we are like that.
Wow...thanks for the responses. The article about the relationships is so true. And, Star, this is my second CANCER man. The first was just as you described...A DOG! Had many women all over the USA...married, single and even found out he liked more than one at a time. I was floored, never would I have thought of him like that.
This one is different...he has my heart! I am so scared. I know I need to tell him how I feel. But, I don't know what to say...Every time I think I will say something to him, at least a hint...I get all nervous and can't say ANYTHING. I thought about sending an email...but I want to see his face and his reaction. The clock is ticking and time is running out....I have to tell him that there is someone else that loves him, cares for him, would treat him better and NEVER leave him. Then if he goes...it was meant to be! But...he needs to be treated better and should not go back just because of the kids.
I'll let you all know what happens....I am supposed to see him this weekend unless he goes to back to her before that.
I was not able to see him this weekend...so this is what I wrote him. I have never been so scared in my life.
WHAT IF...
When your in deep thoughts, thinking about your life...Do you ever wonder about those...What If?s...
What If... There was someone else that cared for you...could be your best friend...wanted you to be happy and feel secure.
What If... It had even crossed her mind about a possible future down the road...willing to take things slow...to wait it out and see what happens.
What If... She knew she could love you unconditionally...and if ever committed to you...would never...never leave you.
What If... What she wanted most in life...were the things that money can?t buy...had waited all this time...for just a chance to do things the right way and had felt this way for a long time.
What If... You were to walk out of her life and never come back...and she never told you...and the What If?s...might have mattered to you.
True Love is understated True love is being known Oh I've never felt so connected two hearts have found a home and no matter how we struggle oh, I'll answer when you call we'll walk away from trouble and live to tell it all
Its aint about you its aint about me its about this love we found that has to be Cause I never questioned that look in your eyes You never doubted how I felt inside This gift you've given humbles me True companions we'll always be For so long we've waited to feel what we feel We finally taste for something that is real two hearts beat as one Oh and we both know a place where our souls can race I think its what they all call life Two hearts found a home
It's got to be very hard for him. Some people are wholly devoted to their children and the way you make it sound, his children mean a lot to him. I am assuming by your post that so far his wife has custody of the children and she is using them in part of her revenge thing she has going on with him. Some people stay in unhappy marriages just for hte children. If I were you, I would distance myself a little bit more, though still emotionally supporting him in his trouble, until he actually goes through the divorce. It also sounds like he needs time to think about the future- give him some space to do that but tell him that your there for him when he needs you.
Come on in and meet my heart you can stay; make yourself comfortable If I seem a little nervous, I've been walking on shaky ground. I ve been alone for a very long time, and Im not quite sure what I'm doing; all this time was for just one man, and then its all gone in just a day. Makes it kind of hard to find a brand new way, but please understand I am trying to be strong, and Im am giving it my very best; hopefully time will take care of the rest. I've been very busy packing up the past, and I just met someone new, and I've never been so happy. I feel nervous, so I'm taking some time this is for us; there wont be anymore crying and misery. all that time for just one man. here is my plans, because dont want to do go through that again. was all gone in just a day nice to meet you; why dont you stay. I really could use a friend/
I agree with Miss Post, but this is something you will have to decide for yourself. "Let your heart be your guide." I would be there for him. There are more than his life involved and that takes sometime to work out what is going to be best for everyone. I would stay close and be there for him. Sometimes we need someone who is not so personally involved to give their honest perspecitve.
Oh My God...Suzy-Q...I love it all. You are a true romantic like me. Your soul is deep like mine. Once I really love you...my love is forever. I love vince Gill too!
Those were all my words...not a poem...they came straight from my heart. I meant every word! I know if he has read it...He is TRIPPING! That was some deep stuff...don't you think?
And, yes I know people do thngs for their children and that's why I am so scared of him going back. But, this woman has done this to him 3 times, not even taked to him in a year. Now she's out of money and wants him back. Sorry, but I will make my feelings known now. She has competition, there is another that loves him now.
I plan on backing off...but not avoiding him...I know after all this I said sinks into his mind...he will say something about it....or he will go now...and never come back. He knows now....that if he goes back to her....he will always remember what I said and know how I feel for him.
We get along too well...we have been close...and he has made some hints about the future with me. It would be very hard for him to never see me or talk to me...I know that....I FEEL IT! We live in the same town...he would have to see me at the schools, stores, every where! He knows how good we are and could be together.
Now....he needs to think! And hopefully he will go with his true heart...
"Those were all my words...not a poem...they came straight from my heart. I meant every word! I know if he has read it...He is TRIPPING! That was some deep stuff...don't you think?"
Yes I did like what you wrote to him. Very serious and to the point. I keep going back and re-reading it. You are very romantic, me too. I was thinking how he must be feeling very loved, and he is in the middle of some very deep and personal thoughts. It did for me. He is lucky to have you, and for you to be so patient and understanding. I want you guys to get together!!! I hope it all works out for you both and you love like never before and are very happy! Hang on to each other. Suzy
If there is such a thing as 'LOVE' and it exists then it will work out.
Try not to put any conditions on love and try and be unselfish, patient, and understanding. Everybody expects love to satisfy and instantly gratity their needs. Whether is sex, companionship, financial, emotional etc... It isnt about that. IMO, true love is caring, sharing and putting the other person above your self. It is being unselfish and it is making sacrifices and sticking together through everyting no matter what. LOYALTY! Just love them because you do! True love is rare and is hard to come by and even harder to hold on to in the world today.
I still believe! and my heart is wide open even after much pain. Actually even more so after all. Because it is worth it!
I won't be on the message board any longer... but, I will miss you most of all, Cwab! Your sense of humour is delightful! Take care, be happy and be well! Star
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I have been involved with a Cancer man for 11 months. I am falling in love with him...he is everything I've ever wanted in a man. Problem...He was married for 18 years, 3 wonderful children. His divorce should be in a week. This woman has left him 3 or 4 times...she wipes out the bank accounts, max's out the credit cards and leaves him to fix it all. Tried to cause him to lose his job...has been a real devil about his relationship with his children. I have been there with him all this time, seen how hurt he was, he opened up to me. She has wanted nothing to do with him...until now. One week before the divorce. Up until about 4 months ago, this worried me, some things he had said, lead me to think he might go back just for his kids...but then, he started talking about us, little remarks that made me think we might have a long lasting relationship in the future. We get along so well and the sex is out of this world. Listen, I would marry this man today if he would ask me. I am so scared, It would devastate me. You know how Cancer's are...they only open up to you if they want to...They hate confrontation and will avoid it if they don't want to talk. I asked him...point blank...Are you gonna go back? I could tell he didn't want to talk about it too much, kept changing the subject. He says, She wants to get back together, told me she was sorry...he told me...she is out of money now, how do I know she might not do this again to me down the road...I want someone to stay with me...not leave and come back...I don't think I want to do this again. I heard hesitation in his answer. Oh, if he goes back, I know her...I will have to see them together...she has no idea he has been in bed, my home, been around my boys. What to do? Should I bale out now, wait to see what happens....or keep seeing him, and take a chance? Please tell me what you would do? He does not know I LOVE HIM...I have not told him yet, been waiting on his divorce.
I am soooo upset and I can't talk to him about it....I know he is thinking and can tell he does'nt want me to ask him about it now...What to do?
Amy