My male cap picked me up in a bar a couple of months ago. He came on very direct, which I admire. At my suggestion, we've had an ongoing casual relationship since then. I told him that I enjoy dating in general and don't really want to tie myself down at this time. He agreed to keep it ongoing but has told me, several times, that he is not good at relationships. I usually see him about once a week. I let him initiate because work dominates most of his time (but you all know that already). Every time we see each other he's continuously asking me "why him?" He tells me he thinks "there should be more between us than just the casual relationship". He says he thinks we'd make a "great team". He tells me that he knows a cap/leo couple that have had a very successful relationship for almost 10 years. He tells me that he's dated two leo's before and that he liked them because they challenged him. I can go on and on with the things he's telling me. My point is that it is very confusing to me. Is he saying/asking these things because he needs to feed his ego? Does he think he needs to say these things to keep me interested in him? Or, could there be some truth to them. The only time I communicate with him is when I see him. Outside of that time I don't talk to him at all during the week. A few weeks ago we had a very bad week of trying to get together. He stood me up twice after he initiated getting together (yep - bad at relationships). The following week when he called I stayed on the phone with him but refused to go see him. Since then I've seen him twice and his actions seem to be speaking louder than words. It's as if he's apologizing for his bad behavior. He's very into me and acting almost as a bf would. He is suggesting things (in addition to the normal things he usually says - see above)like we should go to lunch together or you should come over and use my pool...suddenly he wants to "do" things for me. Cont...
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But then I go the whole week and I don't hear from him so this is very confusing too. Also, on these last two visits he's starting to open up to me and tell me things about himself. So based on all this I decided to tell him yesterday, in an email, that I might be interested in something more than what we currently have. I am now freaking out because I don't want to scare him away. I like what we have and would prefer that over nothing at all. Any feedback, input, thoughts or suggestions on my situation with my cap would be greatly appreciated! I really do like him and I'd like to keep him in my life. Thx
But then I go the whole week and I don't hear from him so this is very confusing too. Also, on these last two visits he's starting to open up to me and tell me things about himself. So based on all this I decided to tell him yesterday, in an email, that I might be interested in something more than what we currently have. I am now freaking out because I don't want to scare him away. I like what we have and would prefer that over nothing at all. Any feedback, input, thoughts or suggestions on my situation with my cap would be greatly appreciated! I really do like him and I'd like to keep him in my life. Thx

I think he likes you. But if you want something more, then don't settle for less than that.
Posted by truecap
I think he likes you. But if you want something more, then don't settle for less than that.
Thank you for your input.

Leos! *smh*

True, we won't open up unless you do.
Posted by Metoo
I think your acting foolish personally.
I mean you basically say u want to be fwb and see other people.
He initiates, expresses his interest, opens up to you, invites more time with you,
then you say he has "bad behavior".
I mean you have a workaholic on your hands that is trying to find balance with his work and you and is trying to take things seriously with you and your dragging your feet, and now that he stood you up a few times you've decided you want to step it up and not lose his attention and now your worried you said too much.
Think about what vulnerability he had to have to say the things he has...
Stop overanalyzing, psychoanalyzing. He asked you those things to try and figure out WHERE you stand and also he sounds a little insecure which is normal so "why me" means "tell me you like me, reassure me".
Either you want him or you dont. I never understand the hesitation...'I am not good at relationships" is n honest statement and no one is good at any relationship really, inately we are human, have selfish desires and se different and want things to our specifications.
Anyways he wants to date you so stop all the non sense and be genuine and give him an honest shot, stop with all the other bs qestions like, what is he thinking? what did that mean? Does he need his ego stroked? ugh!
He LIKES you. Take it slow, thats it.
Yes it started off as a friends with benefits at my request. He picked me up in a bar. How is it that that normally works out in reality. A one night stand. So that was put in place to protect myself a bit.
He has initiated, expressed interests, is open, invites more time with me ONLY when I'm with him. And it's been mostly verbal. Meaning we've not gotten together outside of the middle of the night. How am I to read this, honestly...
It's been over the course of my all visits, with his repetition, that I started to question the validity of everything he was saying.
His bad behavior actually did not make me want him more it actually pushed me away. It's what he's saying to me each time I'm with him that is making me think he's more interested. But when I only get this type of attention in the middle of the night...again what am I supposed to think? He has not taken me to lunch. He has not actually invited me over to his pool. He's not invited me to do anything with him.
As for his insecurities I did tell him a f
Posted by Metoo
I think your acting foolish personally.
I mean you basically say u want to be fwb and see other people.
He initiates, expresses his interest, opens up to you, invites more time with you,
then you say he has "bad behavior".
I mean you have a workaholic on your hands that is trying to find balance with his work and you and is trying to take things seriously with you and your dragging your feet, and now that he stood you up a few times you've decided you want to step it up and not lose his attention and now your worried you said too much.
Think about what vulnerability he had to have to say the things he has...
Stop overanalyzing, psychoanalyzing. He asked you those things to try and figure out WHERE you stand and also he sounds a little insecure which is normal so "why me" means "tell me you like me, reassure me".
Either you want him or you dont. I never understand the hesitation...'I am not good at relationships" is n honest statement and no one is good at any relationship really, inately we are human, have selfish desires and se different and want things to our specifications.
Anyways he wants to date you so stop all the non sense and be genuine and give him an honest shot, stop with all the other bs qestions like, what is he thinking? what did that mean? Does he need his ego stroked? ugh!
He LIKES you. Take it slow, thats it.
As for his insecurities I did tell him a few weeks ago that what I wanted from him was for him to let me in...into his head, into his world, etc.
I feel like by sending the email to him two days ago I am telling him how I feel and that I want more. So I am giving him the opportunity to date me...or have more with me, if he needs to move slower.
Posted by truecap
Leos! *smh*
I'm all ears trucap...please tell my why your shaking you head? What am I not doing right?
Posted by Sunrays
As a cap myself, i can say that we are quite serious about relationships. Anyone who offers FWB will not be taken seriously - will loose respect in my eyes!
It is true we are not "good" at relationships. He does not know how to conduct a relationship. He is asking you to step up.
If he responds positively to youe email and you are serious about him then you have to step up and take the reigns with regard to opening up emotionally. You have to feed him the emotions that he wants to feel but does not know how!!
You could be disappointed if you are not that into him (which it looks like you are not!). If you dont have the emotions for him then you are at a stalemate! Better to move on.
I have been worried about him not respecting me, but it isn't anything I can go back and change now. Yet I don't get that vibe from him when I'm with him. Either way, all I can do is try to introduce him to the real me as we continue to spend time together and get to know one another better (if we're going to continue doing that now that I sent the email). I think there's room for me to cleanse my reputation if he was thinking that at some point. I was very clear with him that I was not sleeping with anyone else during this time even though I was seeing other people. Mind you he was seeing other women too.
I've got no problem stepping up. I just don't want to step up to a false start or something that's not there at all.
See my post below about his response to my email.
I know right now I feel into him and I do have feelings for him. I can't predict what the future may hold once I get to know him better. But this is the case for any two people trying for more, right?!
Could you clarify for me what you mean with this response; "You have to feed him the emotions that he wants to feel but does not know how!!"
Posted by truecap
True, we won't open up unless you do.
So, truecap you're saying I need to open up to him more/first. Can you give me a few examples please so I can grasp what you're trying to tell me.
Update since my first post, Tuesday: As I mentioned I've been freaking out on a personal level, in my own world that I've now scared him off by being open and honest about how I'm feeling. I guess thought that I needed to put it out there to see where he was because if he's not interested in anything more than a regular booty call than I need to separate myself because I am starting to have feelings. So I broke down and called him late yesterday afternoon. Surprisingly I caught him with some free time and we ended up on the phone for an hour. The email did not come up in conversation, and mind you he's not replied to it either, but he mentioned something in conversation that flat out told me he read the email. We discussed getting together last night but it would have been late. We left it that he could call if he wanted when he finished up last night...but he didn't call. Why did he not mention anything about the email? Is this normal for caps...is he mulling everything over, taking his time to figure it out. Is it good that he took my call yesterday? I shared with him that I'll be out of town next week and that I want to see him before I leave. Seems if he were interested in "dating" he could have set one up but he's not. So you see...I'm kinda right back where I started. So confused and emotionally exhausted. Thoughts please.
Thank you so much for the input above. All of this is very helpful and I really appreciate you all taking the time to advise me with this.
Thank you so much for the input above. All of this is very helpful and I really appreciate you all taking the time to advise me with this.

Posted by leolady69Posted by truecap
Leos! *smh*
I'm all ears trucap...please tell my why your shaking you head? What am I not doing right?click to expand
Its just a comment on Leos in general. The ones I know seem like they want their cake and want to eat it to.
Nothing really personal on you.

Posted by leolady69Posted by truecap
True, we won't open up unless you do.
So, truecap you're saying I need to open up to him more/first. Can you give me a few examples please so I can grasp what you're trying to tell me.click to expand
What I mean is we are not comfortable letting people in. That has to be earned and will not happen quickly. Take some time. Don't rush it. Open up little by little so he can build trust in you. He won't open up until he feels he can completely trust you. We also have to be comfortable with the fact that you will be there for the long haul and aren't going anywhere. Don't start talking about feelings, etc. too soon because this will ring false to a cap.

Don't contact him again until he contacts you. He read the e-mail. He knows what you feel. Stop the booty calls if you want him to take you seriously. If he really likes you he will take the initiative. Otherwise, you will be too needy for him and he won't want to deal with this. But thats only my opinion. Only time will tell. I hope that didn't sound harsh, I meant it to be honest.
Just remember, Caps move slow!!
Just remember, Caps move slow!!
What I mean is we are not comfortable letting people in. That has to be earned and will not happen quickly. Take some time. Don't rush it. Open up little by little so he can build trust in you. He won't open up until he feels he can completely trust you. We also have to be comfortable with the fact that you will be there for the long haul and aren't going anywhere. Don't start talking about feelings, etc. too soon because this will ring false to a cap.
I'm not sure if we'll get to the point of needing to convince him I'd be in it for the long haul as he's not contacted me so I'm starting to get discouraged that he will. Everything else your saying makes perfect sense. I usually call it building the foundation...brick by brick. Too late on the feelings...as those were expressed in the email I sent earlier this week. However I don't think I phrased anything as "I am" it was "I think" so maybe that'll help him see my truth to what I was saying.
Posted by truecap
Don't contact him again until he contacts you. He read the e-mail. He knows what you feel. Stop the booty calls if you want him to take you seriously. If he really likes you he will take the initiative. Otherwise, you will be too needy for him and he won't want to deal with this. But thats only my opinion. Only time will tell. I hope that didn't sound harsh, I meant it to be honest.
Just remember, Caps move slow!!
Oh, well too late there... 😢 He asked for some work stuff from me on the phone Wednesday and I told him I'd follow up with him when I had some ideas. So this morning I messaged him and told him I did and that he should call me for more info. He's not called back on the work stuff and (as mentioned in the previous reply) he's obviously not responding to the "I think I want more" email either so I'm starting to get discouraged. Seems to me if he read the email and was interested in more I would have heard from him about it by now. Guess I'm falling into the "too needy" box. I won't contact him again...my Leo pride will prevent me from doing so. He knows I'm out of town next week and I'm getting the sinking feeling I won't hear from him, much less see him before I leave. If I may ask though since you brought it up; How slow is slow? Am I overreacting to the time-frame since I can only see it from a Leo standpoint...as a Leo we see it, we go get it 😉 Are Caps that slow? Meaning could it be okay that I've not heard from him yet? Guess I want to hope that he'll show up all interested...
Again, thank you for the feedback and input. I'm a bit of a mess at the moment (I've got some other stressers going on in my life at the moment)so the input helps tremendously in this one are of my life.
Leolady, I refer to your question "How slow is slow".
From a fire sign perpective Cap`s slow is waaay too slow. He probably will come back to you at some point but it will be too late for you; prob is emotions die faster for fire signs than for Caps. He will be knockinng at your door again some day but you will be somewhere else by that time.
That is from personal experience with Cap men
From a fire sign perpective Cap`s slow is waaay too slow. He probably will come back to you at some point but it will be too late for you; prob is emotions die faster for fire signs than for Caps. He will be knockinng at your door again some day but you will be somewhere else by that time.
That is from personal experience with Cap men
"Well, I think your email kind of set him back. He wasnt expecting it. Its scary and he isnt ready to discuss his feelings with you now so he flat out wont most likely. Yes, its common. He has strong emotional control."
I'd almost want to question this a bit. Because he was the one always bringing up feelings, albeit indirectly, when we were together. However, now that I'm thinking about it...you're right he never came outright and said I feel this way or I feel that way. He usually put it into the form of a question, not a statement, except on a few things. So yeah...you're probably right, he's maybe not ready. interesting how Caps dance around it. Just seeing that thanks to your input.
"Sleeping together without commitment is not really a bond, it doesnt build trust."
I agree but as I mentioned I was protecting myself from the start to some degree. As the weeks passed and we were starting to get to know each other better I think a bond was starting...no trust though.
"He got flustered and is a bit scared now. It was too much too soon when all along you have not been expressing these things."
Do you feel this might be the case "flustered and scared", really? That surprises me and actually takes my anxiety level down by about 10. You're right, I'd not been expressing these things to him...much. There were a few emails I sent to him over the weeks where I'd open up a bit more to him and share how I was feeling, usually in response to something he'd have said or asked me about having to do with us.
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I'd almost want to question this a bit. Because he was the one always bringing up feelings, albeit indirectly, when we were together. However, now that I'm thinking about it...you're right he never came outright and said I feel this way or I feel that way. He usually put it into the form of a question, not a statement, except on a few things. So yeah...you're probably right, he's maybe not ready. interesting how Caps dance around it. Just seeing that thanks to your input.
"Sleeping together without commitment is not really a bond, it doesnt build trust."
I agree but as I mentioned I was protecting myself from the start to some degree. As the weeks passed and we were starting to get to know each other better I think a bond was starting...no trust though.
"He got flustered and is a bit scared now. It was too much too soon when all along you have not been expressing these things."
Do you feel this might be the case "flustered and scared", really? That surprises me and actually takes my anxiety level down by about 10. You're right, I'd not been expressing these things to him...much. There were a few emails I sent to him over the weeks where I'd open up a bit more to him and share how I was feeling, usually in response to something he'd have said or asked me about having to do with us.
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"He was slowly opening up his door little by little like 'come over and use my pool.' It would have been good if you could have done the same."
I think I did, again in the few emails I sent him I'd talk about how I was feeling, but usually not in person except when I told him I wanted him to let me into his head, into his world. This was challenging to me because at the time it was happening I was absolutely clueless as to where it was coming from. Wish I had known. Again, now that you've shared this little nugget of gold I can clearly see when he was doing that when we were together. Makes me sad.
"He wont like emotion, and he wont like to know you are emotionally dissecting him."
How can he not like emotion when he's been throwing it out (even if bit by little bit) since the first night? That's a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say. From him, not you 🙂
"You put it out there, now dont explain, or analyze to him anything."
This statement has been weighing heavily. As a leo we prefer to explain, unfortunately, everything. So if he contacts me and brings something up you're suggesting to to not explain? Or are you just suggesting I don't offer the information freely?
"Just sit back, be cool, when your out of town, do not call or text or email."
I won't. It was easier today to ignore the urge. I'd imagine as each day passes it'll be a bit easier.
"Let this be a mini break. Give him time to process and also to miss you."
Time to process...again such confusion on this. It seems by my sending the email to him I justified everything he had been saying to me (that it sounded like he wanted) so why is there time needed to process? Sigh. It'd be nice to think he'd miss me 🙂
"Be simple, genuine, and lighthearted when he calls you again."
Okay!
"The dust will settle if you back off."
I sure hope so, seriously. Is this how Caps feel?
"I am not suggesting your clingy or that you made mistakes, its ok you said how you felt."
I agree. I am my own person and I felt it was necessary to be honest with him.
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"He was slowly opening up his door little by little like 'come over and use my pool.' It would have been good if you could have done the same."
I think I did, again in the few emails I sent him I'd talk about how I was feeling, but usually not in person except when I told him I wanted him to let me into his head, into his world. This was challenging to me because at the time it was happening I was absolutely clueless as to where it was coming from. Wish I had known. Again, now that you've shared this little nugget of gold I can clearly see when he was doing that when we were together. Makes me sad.
"He wont like emotion, and he wont like to know you are emotionally dissecting him."
How can he not like emotion when he's been throwing it out (even if bit by little bit) since the first night? That's a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say. From him, not you 🙂
"You put it out there, now dont explain, or analyze to him anything."
This statement has been weighing heavily. As a leo we prefer to explain, unfortunately, everything. So if he contacts me and brings something up you're suggesting to to not explain? Or are you just suggesting I don't offer the information freely?
"Just sit back, be cool, when your out of town, do not call or text or email."
I won't. It was easier today to ignore the urge. I'd imagine as each day passes it'll be a bit easier.
"Let this be a mini break. Give him time to process and also to miss you."
Time to process...again such confusion on this. It seems by my sending the email to him I justified everything he had been saying to me (that it sounded like he wanted) so why is there time needed to process? Sigh. It'd be nice to think he'd miss me 🙂
"Be simple, genuine, and lighthearted when he calls you again."
Okay!
"The dust will settle if you back off."
I sure hope so, seriously. Is this how Caps feel?
"I am not suggesting your clingy or that you made mistakes, its ok you said how you felt."
I agree. I am my own person and I felt it was necessary to be honest with him.
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Now that you are hearing from caps how he may have recieved it and also that he will want to move slow...just let him.
Leo's are born leaders, movers and shakers, motivators. What you're asking here is damn near impossible for me...but I will do my best.
"For him not to back away or run, dont let him feel you cling to him (not that you are)."
Ummm, absolutely I have been clinging to him this past week. Thank you for trying to be kind, but I'm right and you're wrong on this one. Friday was the last attempt though and I am now officially non-clingy.
"If he sees you have yor own friends, plans, interest, ambition, this will make him respect and admire you."
This is exactly what I'm trying to do. Stay busy with the rest of my life.
"A little distance here on your part will be magic!
I SURE hope so!!!
Your ok girl! Dont work so hard! Dont overthink it!"
Okay, thx! This post really helped so much more to lower my anxiety with the entire situation...TYTYTYTY 🙂
Now that you are hearing from caps how he may have recieved it and also that he will want to move slow...just let him.
Leo's are born leaders, movers and shakers, motivators. What you're asking here is damn near impossible for me...but I will do my best.
"For him not to back away or run, dont let him feel you cling to him (not that you are)."
Ummm, absolutely I have been clinging to him this past week. Thank you for trying to be kind, but I'm right and you're wrong on this one. Friday was the last attempt though and I am now officially non-clingy.
"If he sees you have yor own friends, plans, interest, ambition, this will make him respect and admire you."
This is exactly what I'm trying to do. Stay busy with the rest of my life.
"A little distance here on your part will be magic!
I SURE hope so!!!
Your ok girl! Dont work so hard! Dont overthink it!"
Okay, thx! This post really helped so much more to lower my anxiety with the entire situation...TYTYTYTY 🙂
Posted by asha
Leolady, I refer to your question "How slow is slow".
From a fire sign perpective Cap`s slow is waaay too slow. He probably will come back to you at some point but it will be too late for you; prob is emotions die faster for fire signs than for Caps. He will be knockinng at your door again some day but you will be somewhere else by that time.
That is from personal experience with Cap men
Really...that kinda stinks.
As A Leo though I'm loyal and because of that I never really stop caring for/loving those in my life.
Guess I'll just have to wait and see how long it takes him. I'm hoping for days or even a couple of weeks; preferably not weeks or months...ugh!
But just to clarify...Caps usually do come back?
Thx for your input!! Very helpful 🙂
He will come back if he liked what you had and if you dont chase him. He may not be ready know but he will come back soon or later. Caps dont let people go out of their lives easily. As I say fire signs are much faster in this regard.
Stop contacting him now and you`ll have him back in no time.
Stop contacting him now and you`ll have him back in no time.
now, not know 🙂

The reason caps are slow is because we are cautious. After the initial interest, we step back and observe some. There are some questions we would like answered before we decide we want more with someone. We can only get the answers with time and observations.
For instance: How does she treat other people? How is she with her family? How does he handle money? Is he conservative or liberal? Is he practical or wasteful? Is he dependable? Does she actually do what she says she's going to do? Is he trustworthy? Is she respected by her co-workers, friends, community, family? Etc. etc.
Once we feel there is a compatibility in these areas, and we are still interested, we will then decide to move forward. It just takes a while.
Fire signs move too fast for us usually and we have a tendency to question anything thats too fast, easy, too good to be true, whatever you want to call it. Cap love is patient and earned. It is not personal, we are just cautious.
For instance: How does she treat other people? How is she with her family? How does he handle money? Is he conservative or liberal? Is he practical or wasteful? Is he dependable? Does she actually do what she says she's going to do? Is he trustworthy? Is she respected by her co-workers, friends, community, family? Etc. etc.
Once we feel there is a compatibility in these areas, and we are still interested, we will then decide to move forward. It just takes a while.
Fire signs move too fast for us usually and we have a tendency to question anything thats too fast, easy, too good to be true, whatever you want to call it. Cap love is patient and earned. It is not personal, we are just cautious.

Posted by leolady69
I'm not sure if we'll get to the point of needing to convince him I'd be in it for the long haul >/blockquote>
This may be out of context from what you meant, but here goes:
For future reference, don't ever try to "convince" a man of anything. Let him see it through actions. Actions speak much louder and clearer than words.
Posted by truecap
The reason caps are slow is because we are cautious. After the initial interest, we step back and observe some. There are some questions we would like answered before we decide we want more with someone. We can only get the answers with time and observations.
For instance: How does she treat other people? How is she with her family? How does he handle money? Is he conservative or liberal? Is he practical or wasteful? Is he dependable? Does she actually do what she says she's going to do? Is he trustworthy? Is she respected by her co-workers, friends, community, family? Etc. etc.
Once we feel there is a compatibility in these areas, and we are still interested, we will then decide to move forward. It just takes a while.
Fire signs move too fast for us usually and we have a tendency to question anything thats too fast, easy, too good to be true, whatever you want to call it. Cap love is patient and earned. It is not personal, we are just cautious.
WOW!! Now that you've pointed this out I can look back over the past couple of months and recognize him doing exactly that. Also we talked a lot about how I'm kinda stuck with a few things in my life right now, mostly work. He offered some sage advice. With what you're saying here I could see him now being hesitant until I get a few thing worked out and rightfully so. This is one of the reasons I have been hesitant to get seriously involved with any man right now; yet this one snagged my heart.
I do hope he's still interested...
As fire signs we do move fast. Otherwise what we want may go up n a blaze!
Thanks, Trucap...great information!
Posted by asha
He will come back if he liked what you had and if you dont chase him. He may not be ready know but he will come back soon or later. Caps dont let people go out of their lives easily. As I say fire signs are much faster in this regard.
Stop contacting him now and you`ll have him back in no time.
Thank you Asha!I know (at the time) he liked me. I could see though that he was questioning it himself, almost as if he couldn't understand it either (but in a good way). Good to hear he a bit loyal like us Leos; "Caps don't let peoplego out of their lives easily."
Haven't contacted him this weekend and won't moving forward.
Thx again 🙂
Posted by truecapPosted by leolady69
I'm not sure if we'll get to the point of needing to convince him I'd be in it for the long haul >/blockquote>
This may be out of context from what you meant, but here goes:
For future reference, don't ever try to "convince" a man of anything. Let him see it through actions. Actions speak much louder and clearer than words.click to expand
To clarify for you I mean that if he doesn't come back then they're will be no need to convince him that I'm in it for the long haul.
As for proving though actions...again he'll have to step back into my world if he wants to see any and all progress.
Thx.

leolady69, you sound like a nice woman. I feel for you. Understand this: Since you were protecting yourself at the onset, he only found that out later. Meaning: How was he to know that the woman he met at the bar -- who appeared to be a woman who had no problem having sex with whoever or whenever she wanted, devil-may-care -- was not being her true self at the bar? Could be as time passed and getting to know you, he sees a different kind of woman. When he asked you why him, you should have said "why not." As a statement, not a question. You weren't looking for a long-term relationship at the bar that night. I may be wrong, but you don't happen to sound like the type who would expect to meet her significant other at a bar. If you did, you probably wouldn't have wanted a 'one night stand'. I'm like the rest of the posters here, take your power back and move on. You don't owe him anything. Sure, you may have been open to exploring something deeper with him, but the statue of limitations passed when he didn't mention your email to him. Don't waste any more time thinking about him. Easy come, easy go. You are a sunny leo, I seriously wouldn't worry about him anymore. Seriously.
Pathfinder, I have a huge problem understanding your statement. Do you mean nothing good can come out of something, that started casual? That a significant other could be found only amongst colleagues at work and after a long and serious considering of their pluses and minuses?
Because if this is what you mean it contradicts the reality of many of us. It is not rare in life that people have sex first and later discover they like each other`s personality too. Too much seriousness from the outset is no guarantee things will work out (in fact often you finish as the only one having been serious in that relationship)
In my view too much formalizing limits your options to explore and enjoy life but may be this is a Cap thing.
Because if this is what you mean it contradicts the reality of many of us. It is not rare in life that people have sex first and later discover they like each other`s personality too. Too much seriousness from the outset is no guarantee things will work out (in fact often you finish as the only one having been serious in that relationship)
In my view too much formalizing limits your options to explore and enjoy life but may be this is a Cap thing.

You told him all you wanted was FWB in the beginning? You let him take you home from the bar on the first night? Do you really think he is going to trust someone who does those things AND with your wishy washy attitude on top of it take you seriously? Sounds like he is insecure and lonely which is why he isn't thinking clearly. Most Caps wouldn't give that situation a second thought! Save the guy some heartache, leave it as FWB and don't pursue jack. OR Cut it off. OH and FYI sugar, Caps don't need to feed an EGO, That is what a Leo would do 😉 ..Caps are too laid back for all that mess!

@asha, I"m not sure how you came to your conclusions, but fortunately, my answer isn't as complicated as your ideas!
The OP was fine with keeping things how it began. She totally enjoyed her time with him whenever they got together. She was open to exploring more, but he started with his head games. Doesn't appear she's into that.
The OP was fine with keeping things how it began. She totally enjoyed her time with him whenever they got together. She was open to exploring more, but he started with his head games. Doesn't appear she's into that.
I see some new replies. I'll be back shortly to respond.
In the mean time I am having the HARDEST time today. I want to contact him, I want to hear his voice, I want to see him...I miss him. Mind you, I'm still out of town. He has a show coming up soon and I can't remember the date. I want to go and see it/him. I'm using this as a justification to reach out. OMG this is hard!!!
In the mean time I am having the HARDEST time today. I want to contact him, I want to hear his voice, I want to see him...I miss him. Mind you, I'm still out of town. He has a show coming up soon and I can't remember the date. I want to go and see it/him. I'm using this as a justification to reach out. OMG this is hard!!!
Posted by Metoo
Google his show if you HAVE to go (I wouldnt) but please dont email if you have to sit on your hands DONT. He could have texted you if you werw in his thoughrs or emailed you back, he hasnt, mirror him. Let him be.
Just let him think your out of town living your OWN life. And by the wat, do just that, live your life!!!
Your continuing to contact isnt helping.
It is proving your wrapped up in him and excusing the fact that he flat out ignored your email & your cool with not being important enough to deserve a decent honest reply.
Thank you metoo...I needed to hear that. I haven't contacted him.
He called. I really can't believe it...he called. I totally didn't think he'd call. He apologized that it had been so long and then went on to explain, in detail and without my asking, why he had not called. It mostly had to do with being on the road with work. And when he is at home he was...working. He shared with me other ideas he's had about my work stuff (something we've discussed in great detail the last two times I've seen him) and he want us to sit down and talk about them. He asked how my work stuff was going and I was able to fill him in on everything; a lot of which are ideas he suggested. That's good to let a cap know that you're taking his advice...especially about work stuff, right?
He asked to see me. I told him that I was still out of town tonight (he jokingly asked how long of a drive back home would be) and he asked me about tomorrow night. I told him I already had plans for earlier in the evening. He explained to me again (he already told me earlier in the conversation) his work schedule for this coming week and said tomorrow was the only other night he could fit anyone in and that he wanted to see me.
He did not bring up the email or messages, nor did I. Is this typical behavior for a cap?
Thoughts...advice?
He asked to see me. I told him that I was still out of town tonight (he jokingly asked how long of a drive back home would be) and he asked me about tomorrow night. I told him I already had plans for earlier in the evening. He explained to me again (he already told me earlier in the conversation) his work schedule for this coming week and said tomorrow was the only other night he could fit anyone in and that he wanted to see me.
He did not bring up the email or messages, nor did I. Is this typical behavior for a cap?
Thoughts...advice?
You should have said " Again, I have plans for the evening."
I havent read the whole story but just from your update i completely agree with Metoo. Nobody suppose to jump just because he has an opening. He's basically saying screw whatever plans you had. With his type how you start is how you finish. I don't know the whole story but I already feel you can do better.
I havent read the whole story but just from your update i completely agree with Metoo. Nobody suppose to jump just because he has an opening. He's basically saying screw whatever plans you had. With his type how you start is how you finish. I don't know the whole story but I already feel you can do better.
There are two lines you can take and they will both work: you may explain politely that you want to see him but it is not possible for you at that particular moment or you may go if you so prefer (dont sleep with him!)and tell him you have done the impossible to make time for him this evening.
In general with this man: make it clear to him you are not ok with casual any more, and that you want more. Then back up. He will come.
The NOs with cap men from my observations: comming up as needy or insecure, pushing things, controdictory behaviour; not appreciating his efforts. Be classy (I am sure you are).
In general with this man: make it clear to him you are not ok with casual any more, and that you want more. Then back up. He will come.
The NOs with cap men from my observations: comming up as needy or insecure, pushing things, controdictory behaviour; not appreciating his efforts. Be classy (I am sure you are).

Sometimes people really are just busy. But, he could have contacted you sooner and explained!!! So, yeah, have plans, but offer an alternative like a day next week - the ONLY night YOU have free.
So I've got updates since I last posted. Thanks to everyone for their advice; I do appreciate your time. As is the case normally, some I followed, some I did not. However everything was heard!
So I returned from my trip and got together with him that night. It was a rough start because he put me off for a couple of hours and I was not happy about it. I ended up leaving him a not so nice vm telling him to get his sh!t together or to not bother. He called within 15 minutes, apologizing profusely. This is the second time I've yelled at him and I'll be honest...I seem to get a clearer, more concise return from him when I get mad and express it to him. Okay, so here are the thing I've noticed from him over the past couple of weeks. Most have my heart skipping beats in good ways...
When we are together he talks about us doing things, going places. Like a day trip or "places he wants to take me". His words, not mine. He's been doing this to me since we met (now over two months ago) So I kind of called him out on this, very politely, because nothing ever comes of the conversations. I told him that I though it was wonderful that he was suggesting all these great things to do but it seemed like once we parted he got pulled back into his own world and nothing ever came to fruition. He paused, and said that he needed me to be patient with him. I told him I was doing the best I could being patient, but that it was challenging at times. He said he understood. Is this a normal Cap thing? Does he mean these things he's saying?
Along the same line here, he reminded me that he knows he doesn't communicate well in relationships and the he's trying to do better. He said he knows that he could be doing better with me.
When we talk on the phone he brings up so many new things and tells me he's been wanting to ask me about "this" "that" or the "other" to get my advice. One situation has to do with his best friend and some issues they're having. Again, how do I take this from a Cap? That he want's to share and is seeking my advice.
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So I returned from my trip and got together with him that night. It was a rough start because he put me off for a couple of hours and I was not happy about it. I ended up leaving him a not so nice vm telling him to get his sh!t together or to not bother. He called within 15 minutes, apologizing profusely. This is the second time I've yelled at him and I'll be honest...I seem to get a clearer, more concise return from him when I get mad and express it to him. Okay, so here are the thing I've noticed from him over the past couple of weeks. Most have my heart skipping beats in good ways...
When we are together he talks about us doing things, going places. Like a day trip or "places he wants to take me". His words, not mine. He's been doing this to me since we met (now over two months ago) So I kind of called him out on this, very politely, because nothing ever comes of the conversations. I told him that I though it was wonderful that he was suggesting all these great things to do but it seemed like once we parted he got pulled back into his own world and nothing ever came to fruition. He paused, and said that he needed me to be patient with him. I told him I was doing the best I could being patient, but that it was challenging at times. He said he understood. Is this a normal Cap thing? Does he mean these things he's saying?
Along the same line here, he reminded me that he knows he doesn't communicate well in relationships and the he's trying to do better. He said he knows that he could be doing better with me.
When we talk on the phone he brings up so many new things and tells me he's been wanting to ask me about "this" "that" or the "other" to get my advice. One situation has to do with his best friend and some issues they're having. Again, how do I take this from a Cap? That he want's to share and is seeking my advice.
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cont...When we are together he's gotten where he asks me a ton of questions about what I think about him. One of which, that I thought was an odd one, albeit fitting, was he asked if I thought he lied. I told him yes. He's a "guilty by omission" type. He was a bit baffled and tried to explain to me that he was loyal just like leo's. I politely told him that you could still lie and be loyal at the same time; they are two different things. Again, a Cap thing that he wants to know what I think about him? Why?
He's started talking to me about how much money he's making with all the different business things he's got going on. I know this is a good sign in general from men when they start talking money because they want to impress. Does that mean the same in Cap world?
I need to explain how we've gotten together the past couple of weeks in order for the next bit to make sense. So He initiated us getting together my first night back. I mentioned in an earlier post that he had a show coming up that I wanted to see. I sent him an email later that week telling him I wanted to come and see his show. I also told him that if that was going to be a problem for him to reply back and let me know...no worries. I did'nt hear back. So as a safety (I never know what other girls - if any - might be attending so I don't want to create a problem)I called a couple hours before the show and left him a vm saying the same thing. No return calls. So I went to the show. This is the second time I've seen him play. He caught my eye during the show several times 🙂Afterwards I moved from my seat close to the stage back to the bar. He came out to speak with his brother afterwards and while talking to him looked to where I had been sitting several times. He took his brother backstage. I got mad. So I called and told him I was leaving shortly and wanted him to come out and say hello. Within a few minutes he came over to me and immediately grabbed my hand and thanked me for coming. He then told me he had friends coming into town and that everyone was going out after the other bands finished playing later that night and he invited me to join them.
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He's started talking to me about how much money he's making with all the different business things he's got going on. I know this is a good sign in general from men when they start talking money because they want to impress. Does that mean the same in Cap world?
I need to explain how we've gotten together the past couple of weeks in order for the next bit to make sense. So He initiated us getting together my first night back. I mentioned in an earlier post that he had a show coming up that I wanted to see. I sent him an email later that week telling him I wanted to come and see his show. I also told him that if that was going to be a problem for him to reply back and let me know...no worries. I did'nt hear back. So as a safety (I never know what other girls - if any - might be attending so I don't want to create a problem)I called a couple hours before the show and left him a vm saying the same thing. No return calls. So I went to the show. This is the second time I've seen him play. He caught my eye during the show several times 🙂Afterwards I moved from my seat close to the stage back to the bar. He came out to speak with his brother afterwards and while talking to him looked to where I had been sitting several times. He took his brother backstage. I got mad. So I called and told him I was leaving shortly and wanted him to come out and say hello. Within a few minutes he came over to me and immediately grabbed my hand and thanked me for coming. He then told me he had friends coming into town and that everyone was going out after the other bands finished playing later that night and he invited me to join them.
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cont...I completely shut down at this point. He's never asked me to go out, much less with his friends. I was already nervous about being at the show, then was mad because he took his brother backstage and not me (although I really don't think he knew I was still there. I failed to mention in the previous post....while he was talking to his brother he looked over to where I had been sitting during the show three times), so this was the tipping point for me and I fell down. I said he'd call me later and I could come and meet them. I suggested to him that if we didn't get together that night that we should get together Sunday night because (as usual) we had tons of work stuff to catch up on (we had talked a little about it during this conversation). He said that would work but that he WAS going to call me later either way. When I got up to leave he gave me four hugs before I could get out the door. This is good, right?! So I left to go meet other friends. After a while though my friends decided to leave so I headed back to where he was. As soon as I got to him I knew his mood had shifted. His friends had arrived and it was all about them at that point. He was very nice to me but I could tell it wasn't a priority for him any more if I was with them or not. So I decided to leave and just told him we'd get together Sunday night. I called and left him a vm once I got home to thank him for inviting me to go out with them and that I was sorry it didn't work out that night, but maybe at some other point. So Sunday rolls around and I emailed him to ask if we were still getting together. I reminded him I had plans that afternoon and told him I'd just call him once I got done. I called him and he was in the middle of working with a client (yep - he works anytime a client needs something - love this!!) So he said he'd call later. When I got off the phone with him I saw that he had actually replied to my email just before I called him. Really hope he didn't think I was being stalkerish!! So we got together later that night, at my request. What a fantastic evening together. Here's though where he brought up some serious conversation. He told me that it was hard for him to be with me.
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cont...He pointed out that while it started off casual that as we continued to spend time together that feelings were forming and that he was getting attached and would continue to do so the more we spend time together. He said this wasn't good because at somepoint things were not going to work out and that we'd stop seeing each other and then he'd be upset and that it would end up interfering with his work. This is an issue because he's got soo many great things he's working on right now and he doesn't want anything to get messed up. ARGH!!! HELP!!! I froze. Deer in headlights kinda of frozen. OMG - he just told me he liked me and then went on to tell me that it was a problem! PLEASE CAPS tell me your thoughts on this. SO, no...I ended up telling him that we could talk more about it later. The rest of the evening was normal (at least to me it seemed that way from him). He was super sweet to me the rest of the night but he had already been super sweet (more than normal) with me the whole night. I should have mentioned this in the timeline earlier because it happened earlier in the evening. Somehow dating (others) came up in conversation and I mentioned (accidentally) that I had had a date earlier in the day. REMINDER we've had an open involvement since the beginning and have at no point ever discussed being exclusive. He dates...I date. So when I mentioned that he turns and looks at me and says "you're still dating". I replied yes. He asked where I got all these dates, was it from my online dating site and I said yes. I thine tried to change the topic and talked about something else for a minute. Then he says "I hate (insert online dating website's name here)!" I asked him why and he said "because it's full of a $ $ holes!" Um, where did that come from. He's not on the site and has never been on the site. Am I seeing jealousy?
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cont...So the next night I'm at dinner with a friend and he calls. He has never called me so soon after seeing him. I'm thrilled. So I call him back after dinner and he's out with friends, drinking. I think he was a little tipsy. He goes on to tell me that I'm such a beautiful woman and that I'm such a smart woman and that he really likes that about me. He told me he loves it that I'm so kind to him. He told me a bunch of other things too. After about half an hour I suggested to him that if he wanted to see me later we could get together but that he should go and spend time with the friends he was out with. So we got together later that night. Out of all the times I've spent with him that night has got to be the most romantic I've ever seen him.
So here we are, a few days later. I called him Wed just to say hi and we talked for a few minutes. In the mean time though, since seeing him, I've sent a few emails too. I am really, really missing him and I'm trying not to call or email again because I feel like he needs to chase a little - mostly for him to keep his interest.
Mostly though I think I'm ready to talk to him and tell him how I feel. I want to tell him that I'm interested in him romantically and that I'd like to stop dating others and explore where a relationship with him might go. I scared to death! THIS is the reason I explained everything is such detail above. I need advice on whether or not it's safe for me to broach the subject with him. All Caps have said you move slow. Based on his actions the past couple of weeks am I getting into safe territory...I want to think he feels the same but I'm not sure. I most certainly don't want to scare him off. Please HELP!!
So here we are, a few days later. I called him Wed just to say hi and we talked for a few minutes. In the mean time though, since seeing him, I've sent a few emails too. I am really, really missing him and I'm trying not to call or email again because I feel like he needs to chase a little - mostly for him to keep his interest.
Mostly though I think I'm ready to talk to him and tell him how I feel. I want to tell him that I'm interested in him romantically and that I'd like to stop dating others and explore where a relationship with him might go. I scared to death! THIS is the reason I explained everything is such detail above. I need advice on whether or not it's safe for me to broach the subject with him. All Caps have said you move slow. Based on his actions the past couple of weeks am I getting into safe territory...I want to think he feels the same but I'm not sure. I most certainly don't want to scare him off. Please HELP!!

"He pointed out that while it started off casual that as we continued to spend time together that feelings were forming and that he was getting attached and would continue to do so the more we spend time together. He said this wasn't good because at somepoint things were not going to work out and that we'd stop seeing each other and then he'd be upset and that it would end up interfering with his work. This is an issue because he's got soo many great things he's working on right now and he doesn't want anything to get messed up."
Here, he is either trying to feel out your feelings, I believe.
Also he is worried about the effect on his work. Caps will sometimes choose career over someone they love. So, assure him you will not interefere with work.
Do yall work together—
I'm really hoping it works out for you!
Here, he is either trying to feel out your feelings, I believe.
Also he is worried about the effect on his work. Caps will sometimes choose career over someone they love. So, assure him you will not interefere with work.
Do yall work together—
I'm really hoping it works out for you!
Hi Truecap. Thx so much for your input. So does it seem he really is interested? I ask because when he gets back to his world I go for days and days without a word from him. I know he's busy with work stuff but I also know he fits social in there too. Because I don't hear from him about the social then I resort back to thinking he's not seriously interested. I'm sooo confused!! I read somewhere on this forum that it's normal for caps to behave this way when they're not around their loved ones and that it shouldn't be taken personally, but damn it's hard!
The advice on him being worried that I will interfere with his work is good; I would not interfere. If anything I offer (all the time) to help him because he's got so much going on. It seems he wants to hear what I have to offer but he's off still doing everything on his own.
I was really hoping and it seemed to me that he might be trying to feel out my feelings, yes. It's so good to have someone else's agreement here and a Cap to boot 🙂
The advice on him being worried that I will interfere with his work is good; I would not interfere. If anything I offer (all the time) to help him because he's got so much going on. It seems he wants to hear what I have to offer but he's off still doing everything on his own.
I was really hoping and it seemed to me that he might be trying to feel out my feelings, yes. It's so good to have someone else's agreement here and a Cap to boot 🙂

Yes, its normal for Caps to behave that way. Just think of it as an opportunity to hang out with the girls. Make plans with them, but don't break them when he calls. He needs to know you're not just waiting around.
Argh! We spoke on the phone yesterday for an hour and a half and agreed to get together today. He was supposed to call last night to firm up and didn't. I left him a vm earlier today and have not heard from him at all. This is really tough. Why is it if his schedule changed today he couldn't just call and tell me? Yes, I took the day and did things so it's not as if I really was waiting around but that doesn't mean it can't still be hurtful... (sorry, needed to vent for a minute).

I didn't read the whole thread but when a guy risk losing you for not showing up, he's not that into you, I think you got more out of him when it was just a sex fwb thing, now that the relationship has shifted more into being a real relationship he can't handle it and rightfully so, that wasn't what he wanted from the start, he wanted no strings attached sex, he seemed happier and more attentive when it wasn't serious with you plus he told you quite early on that he wasn't good at relationships and his behavior proves this to be true.
"Every time we see each other he's continuously asking me "why him?" He tells me he thinks "there should be more between us than just the casual relationship". He says he thinks we'd make a "great team". He tells me that he knows a cap/leo couple that have had a very successful relationship for almost 10 years. He tells me that he's dated two leo's before and that he liked them because they challenged him. I can go on and on with the things he's telling me. My point is that it is very confusing to me. Is he saying/asking these things because he needs to feed his ego? Does he think he needs to say these things to keep me interested in him? Or, could there be some truth to them. "
"He is suggesting things (in addition to the normal things he usually says - see above)like we should go to lunch together or you should come over and use my pool...suddenly he wants to "do" things for me. But then I go the whole week and I don't hear from him so this is very confusing too. Also, on these last two visits he's starting to open up to me and tell me things about himself."
He has commitment fears, men with commitment fears say all kinds of things and don't follow through, I believe they mean what they say because it's ideal, it's romantic but when the ideal of romance requires work, time, energy he's OUT thus nothing every comes to fruition because love & being together isn't a priority.
Ironically after all the confusion you felt you decided to ADD more confusion by putting it out there that you wanted more but had you just leaned back and looked at what you were getting verses what he suggested you would get you'd probably have figured out for yourself that he's not committing to any of the things he's said, he's not even committing to the dates so realistically adding more conflict into the mix by asking for more when you were definitely already getting less made no sense and actually made your situation worse.
"Every time we see each other he's continuously asking me "why him?" He tells me he thinks "there should be more between us than just the casual relationship". He says he thinks we'd make a "great team". He tells me that he knows a cap/leo couple that have had a very successful relationship for almost 10 years. He tells me that he's dated two leo's before and that he liked them because they challenged him. I can go on and on with the things he's telling me. My point is that it is very confusing to me. Is he saying/asking these things because he needs to feed his ego? Does he think he needs to say these things to keep me interested in him? Or, could there be some truth to them. "
"He is suggesting things (in addition to the normal things he usually says - see above)like we should go to lunch together or you should come over and use my pool...suddenly he wants to "do" things for me. But then I go the whole week and I don't hear from him so this is very confusing too. Also, on these last two visits he's starting to open up to me and tell me things about himself."
He has commitment fears, men with commitment fears say all kinds of things and don't follow through, I believe they mean what they say because it's ideal, it's romantic but when the ideal of romance requires work, time, energy he's OUT thus nothing every comes to fruition because love & being together isn't a priority.
Ironically after all the confusion you felt you decided to ADD more confusion by putting it out there that you wanted more but had you just leaned back and looked at what you were getting verses what he suggested you would get you'd probably have figured out for yourself that he's not committing to any of the things he's said, he's not even committing to the dates so realistically adding more conflict into the mix by asking for more when you were definitely already getting less made no sense and actually made your situation worse.

My suggestion to you is this. The next time a guy says to you "I'm bad at relationships" BELIEVE HIM, never take him seriously, expect drama, expect broken dates, expect him to be bad at being in a relationship with you. I don't care if he lays in your lap and cries and cries, he's still bad at relationships, I don't care if he takes you to the French Riviera and trip the night fandango, he's still bad at relationships, knowing this can save YOU from a lot of confusion, disappointment and heartache.
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