Question to cappies

Something I was thinking about today; Cappies, dont you agree that if we look at these two things: 1) Assuming that most of you are in a constant pursue of "the higher goals in life, as members of society" and 2) You approach life in a serious manner because you can only be truly satisfied if you keep yourselves busy with the "complex" aspects of life.

Looking at those two points, dont you think at times they can make you a bit cynical and therefore unncessarily unhappy in that you assume that the most important questions in life MUST have a difficult answer? when in fact, they might have the simplest of them all.

Any thoughts?

CYNICAL, SARCASTIC
Just what are we trying to say.
this is a deep cut to us caps
the hurt will last a long time
I feel Shaka should be ban from the capricorn boards.

l0l! I don't pay attention to such things,cuz i knw what i want,i knw what matters to me,and people can go on about caps being synical,but why should it bother me?? People have a right to believe whatever they want to. The most important thing is that im happy to be me. Wouldnt have it any other way. I met this grl who tried to guess my sign. Lol,she truly believed i was sagi. When i told her im a cap,she was like 'what?u cnt be.ur so out there.howcme??' lol was hilarious.

l0l! I don't pay attention to such things,cuz i knw what i want,i knw what matters to me,and people can go on about caps being synical,but why should it bother me?? People have a right to believe whatever they want to. The most important thing is that im happy to be me. Wouldnt have it any other way. I met this grl who tried to guess my sign. Lol,she truly believed i was sagi. When i told her im a cap,she was like 'what?u cnt be.ur so out there.howcme??' lol was hilarious.

Posted by M
Yes. The trouble comes with subjective answers and nothing to base them against.

I know what you mean, but isnt it to a certain extent a matter of having wrong expectations?

Posted by james tate
CYNICAL, SARCASTIC
Just what are we trying to say.
this is a deep cut to us caps
the hurt will last a long time
I feel Shaka should be ban from the capricorn boards.

jt you clown lol 😛 you know damn well I wouldnt bother spending so many brain cells thinking of these things if I didnt care about caps.

Posted by leilaxxlovez
l0l! I don't pay attention to such things,cuz i knw what i want,i knw what matters to me,and people can go on about caps being synical,but why should it bother me?? People have a right to believe whatever they want to. The most important thing is that im happy to be me. Wouldnt have it any other way. I met this grl who tried to guess my sign. Lol,she truly believed i was sagi. When i told her im a cap,she was like 'what?u cnt be.ur so out there.howcme??' lol was hilarious.

Sorry if it sounds patronizing, but at 20 I believe you're still a little too young to have done enough soul-searching to comprehend what Im trying to imply. Proof of that is that you're taking my comment as a personal attack.

IMO pursuing higher goals successfully does require breaking things down to the simplest level rather than overcomplicating. So 1 and 2 don't gel. Although making a meal out of things can make some people feel more satisfied.

Posted by james tate
CYNICAL, SARCASTIC
Just what are we trying to say.
this is a deep cut to us caps
the hurt will last a long time
I feel Shaka should be ban from the capricorn boards.

haha! You see Shaks James is the knight in shining armour defending cappy honour. I hope you have your jousting gear and tin hat to hand 😉

Posted by M

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom

Posted by M
Yes. The trouble comes with subjective answers and nothing to base them against.

I know what you mean, but isnt it to a certain extent a matter of having wrong expectations?

While personally my moon sets me up for that, no I do not believe it's wrong expectations. You saying that because we expect difficulties and complexity, we set about accordingly? I think we prepare regardless, and the looking ahead and seeing things are more about the "ifs".

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Point taken.

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
IMO pursuing higher goals successfully does require breaking things down to the simplest level rather than overcomplicating. So 1 and 2 don't gel.

How about applying that to spirituality for instance? Ive noticed many caps tend to look down on religious people or the concept of religion altogether. My gf for instance will reject any kind of religious teaching because she says "it is a creation by people to control other people through fear" whilst totally missing the message being taught. What does she expect? a certificate signed by god? 😛 not literally but you know what I mean. She consciously totally closes herself to anything she cant perceive with her 5 senses.

I'm not that religious myself, but I'd consider myself to be spiritual. I also consider them to be two seperate things. Possibly that's how your gf is.

They're ultimately part of the same search. My gf isnt open to spirituality either, thats my point.

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Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
IMO pursuing higher goals successfully does require breaking things down to the simplest level rather than overcomplicating. So 1 and 2 don't gel.

How about applying that to spirituality for instance? Ive noticed many caps tend to look down on religious people or the concept of religion altogether. My gf for instance will reject any kind of religious teaching because she says "it is a creation by people to control other people through fear" whilst totally missing the message being taught. What does she expect? a certificate signed by god? 😛 not literally but you know what I mean. She consciously totally closes herself to anything she cant perceive with her 5 senses.

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Maybe she is a sensory myers briggs type. I'm very open minded about spirituality & religion, but I come up as myers briggs "idealist/dreamer" again and again. Or perhaps it's the virgo influence lol. Virgos are particularly curious about all things spiritual and mystical. What's her moon and rising?

She keeps saying she's part of a whole new breed of humans lol, where rationality is the only thing that counts. Im not too familiar with the Myers Briggs classifications so Im not sure where she or I would fall under. However, like yourself she says she is very idealistic/dreamer and I kind of agree with that lol she is not the typical over-ambitious textbook cappy woman who would walk over people to get to the top, I love how concerned she is with social issues and injustice. Still she keeps her ideas for solutions strictly on a practical/rational realm. Her moon is Aries and Rising Taurus (like her Mars) btw 🙂

I don't attend church regularly, nor do I read much of the BIBLE, but I do believe in a higher power. That doesn't have as much to do with what I've read but more with what I feel, which is what I'd consider being more into spirituality rather than religion.

Posted by lnana04
But I do believe in a higher power. That doesn't have as much to do with what I've read but more with what I feel, which is what I'd consider being more into spirituality rather than religion.

Ive asked her the same question about whether she believes in a higher power or not and she says she sees no reason to believe in such thing. My impression is that she seems more afraid of falling into the wrong type of religious-practicing (where people are actually brainwashed) rather than not believing in a higher intelligence, but it confuses her, that Im sure of.

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom
She keeps saying she's part of a whole new breed of humans lol, where rationality is the only thing that counts. Im not too familiar with the Myers Briggs classifications so Im not sure where she or I would fall under. However, like yourself she says she is very idealistic/dreamer and I kind of agree with that lol she is not the typical over-ambitious textbook cappy woman who would walk over people to get to the top, I love how concerned she is with social issues and injustice. Still she keeps her ideas for solutions strictly on a practical/rational realm. Her moon is Aries and Rising Taurus (like her Mars) btw 🙂

The sensory leanings perhaps come from the strong influence of taurus.

Social issue and injustice concern does sound very infp. People who are infp have a strong tendency to lean towards "fairness" and I guess from my own viewpoint if you look at organised religion it does have a lot of inherent unfairness built into the rules & certainly in its history. My biggest grouch with it has always been its hypocrisy, but I separate that from its essential message as I think you shouldn't throw away the baby with the bathwater. I always find it hard to convince people of that. But it's a difficult dynamic to reconcile.

Aries influences make one very down to earth and practical and therefore always right particularly when mixed with capricorn being another cardinal. I think any aries in the chart has a strong influence on the rest because it is quite a dominant & dynamic sign. My rising certainly makes me far more outspoken than I'd like to be in some situations, particularly when I visit the virgo board lol 😄

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom


Ive asked her the same question about whether she believes in a higher power or not and she says she sees no reason to believe in such thing. My impression is that she seems more afraid of falling into the wrong type of religious-practicing (where people are actually brainwashed) rather than not believing in a higher intelligence, but it confuses her, that Im sure of.

it sounds like something she has thought quite deeply about and that is quite often the sign of someone who is deep down much more spiritual than others but who cannot see a channel to release that spirituality in the limited options available in organised religion. Denial can be a way of harnessing the internal conflict because it is too much to deal with.

Posted by morningsb
I don't want to believe in a higher power but I land up doing anyway.

we are apparently psychologically programmed to tend towards believing in a higher power. it's probably a built in coping mechanism for the chaos of life. In fact our psychology is totally geared to simplify chaos of too many variables. The ultimate psychological simplication is to say it's all determined by a higher being. Also very liberating to see things that way.

When I was a teen I rationalised that all religion was ultimately just a methodology to reinforce self respect.

Posted by morningsb
I agree with you. I remember praying and having faith in a higher being so much as a kid instead of applying myself and having faith in myself. Just to make sense of the chaos. As I am older and wiser and more in control of my life, I find it easier to reject religion.

But I do wonder if there is a higher being. I remember last month I just stood at my driveway and thought " You know if you really existed you are a piece of work. Mom sacrifices so much in your name and all youve made us do is suffer. Can't you bring one good thing to our lives ?" And next day everything fell into place. 😄 . So maybe there is someone upstairs. Maybe we just send our desperate signals because we gave it our best shot and had to still suffer. I dont know but I do wonder.

ah that is because we have particular expectations of a higher being IMO that's not how it works. We create a higher being as we would like them to be rather than how they are. I think this is mainly the way religion is taught to children to try to help them understand and accept it, but a higher being by virtue of a superior position is not santa claus. At least this is the way i see it. I think people who lose their faith when something bad happens have a misplaced understanding of what faith means to start with. At least this is how I see it. Prayers are not a currency to good things because life is always going to be good and bad and the point is to understand that both parts are equally valid and valuable.

I must be tired, I'm repeating myself lol

Just thought I was rambling too much because I'm tired lol. I have to stay up to watch a film I need for an exam I'm doing next week.

Who made this Boy An Expert On Capricorns and How we are? Give me a BREAK he is now the Dali lama of Caps cause his Girlfriend is one, laughs RIGHT that is why he LURKS around this Board ALL THE TIME with his Delusions of Grandeur and Self Imposed Perspectives.

Posted by noirecapricornprincess
Who made this Boy An Expert On Capricorns and How we are? Give me a BREAK he is now the Dali lama of Caps cause his Girlfriend is one, laughs RIGHT that is why he LURKS around this Board ALL THE TIME with his Delusions of Grandeur and Self Imposed Perspectives.

It truly is no wonder the only threads you start are about how unlucky cappy women are in love matters. I pity you for being such a negative and bitter person.

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
Just thought I was rambling too much because I'm tired lol. I have to stay up to watch a film I need for an exam I'm doing next week.

No! Im enjoying this convo..I'll get back to your comments later on 🙂

I'm just saying He's ALWAYS on our board with Silly comments about Capricorns simply because he dates one that probably HATES his guts but tolerates him for the Loser he is. He lurks around from thread to thread making Moronic comments all at the interest of trying to appear Cool to some other DUMB Miscreants who agree to his sordid tomfoolery as if he is Alpha Romeo. I mean He really Needs A HOBBY! NEWSFLASH: He isn't clever, witty and his attempts at jokes are delusional as he is. He should STAY In HIS LANE! And yeah I said it so I know he's coming back with his get-along gang who will offer their unyielding support for their little ignorant friend, oooo wee I'm soo afraid of the terror that awaits me. Next time he needs to think before always attacking people and spewing out what he doesn't know as if he is Nostradamus.

Once Again Little Boy STAY IN YOUR LANE, All your threads are about some chick who might be purely a figment of your imagination yet you call her GIRLFRIEND. If You Are As Ignorant As you Act HERE There is NO WAY A CAPRICORN WOMAN IS YOUR GIRLFRIEND OR EVEN THE LIKES OF ANYTHING SERIOUS WITH YOU. WE DON'T DO IDIOTS.

Nah...shaka if its one thing Ive learned,is neva take things personally on here. Im a little too young? Ur making it sound like ur 52 or something. Just because I don't agree with all ths means I dont understand? Oh well.whatever makes u slp at night ey.

Leila ignore him Maybe he will go to HIS OWN Board and Stop lurking around the Capricorn Board and then acting all remiss like he the victim when he clearly starts stuff his Mouth can't finish. Just like it wasn't called for to tell you your age determines your experience. INSTEAD OF CAMPING OUT HERE MAYBE HE SHOULD CHILL WITH THAT SO-CALLED GIRLFRIEND instead of Camping out here posting constant utter Nonsense. She prob don't even like the CLOWN.

He's not important. I laugh at him. Some misguided confused boy who is living behind his computer hyping up some other people who make him think He's IT. NEWSFLASH: More Like ish if you ask me. I don't log in much but I follow the threads at times and all I see is his BIG Mouth talking a bunch of CROCK day in and Day out and trying to attack people being sarcastic. I mean seriously is it that bad that you have to resort to juvenile antics to get people to cheer you on and feed your ego? WOW!

Posted by M
Wow, someone's repressed a lot. *pulls up sofa* Tell us how you reeely feel 🙂

😄

I am just waiting for the bitch slapping that SHAKA is about to give

Posted by M
Wow, someone's repressed a lot. *pulls up sofa* Tell us how you reeely feel 🙂

Funny huh? Never knew my words could have such an impact on some random person 😉

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom


Ive asked her the same question about whether she believes in a higher power or not and she says she sees no reason to believe in such thing. My impression is that she seems more afraid of falling into the wrong type of religious-practicing (where people are actually brainwashed) rather than not believing in a higher intelligence, but it confuses her, that Im sure of.

it sounds like something she has thought quite deeply about and that is quite often the sign of someone who is deep down much more spiritual than others but who cannot see a channel to release that spirituality in the limited options available in organised religion. Denial can be a way of harnessing the internal conflict because it is too much to deal with.

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She and I have these types of convo's quite often and every time we end up disagreeing on exactly the same issue 😛; it all boils down to her knowing the power organizations can have on people's minds and therefore rejecting any type of collective attempt to understand the world and life, my reasoning is basically that two heads can come up with more/better conclusions than one and also that it is inevitable people come together to discuss these types of questions, after all we're ALL on the same boat, we all want to get at least a little closer to getting a better understanding of human spirituality. Most of us wish to share our thoughts on these subjects and at the same time listen to what other people have to say about it. Im fully aware of how organized groups have misused their power throughout history, but that doesnt mean the concept of organized religion is wrong in itself, at least I dont see why it would be.

Posted by morningsb
But I do wonder if there is a higher being. I remember last month I just stood at my driveway and thought " You know if you really existed you are a piece of work. Mom sacrifices so much in your name and all youve made us do is suffer. Can't you bring one good thing to our lives ?" And next day everything fell into place. 😄 . So maybe there is someone upstairs. Maybe we just send our desperate signals because we gave it our best shot and had to still suffer. I dont know but I do wonder.

You're a rare breed of cap 😛

Posted by CappyyLuv30
If you base your happiness on those two points, I can imagine you'd certainly be unhappy for most of your days. Disappointed too.

As far as spirituality, I had a very strict Christian upbringing. While I still believe in God and the Christian doctrine for the most part, I am not as legalistic and narrow minded as I was before. In other words, Christianity to me is not a religion but merely a life style , a heart condition, what you base your thoughts on, etc.

I definitely do apply logic to it and rationalize with certain things you hear, like for example the whole thing about the world is ending on Saturday. The radio host that announced that has had SEVERAL false predictions before.....so while perhaps back in the day, I would've taken those things seriously, I'm older and wiser now. Logic is necessary even for abstract things. My 2 cents.

Thank you 🙂

Posted by CappyyLuv30
No, people used to be in touch with RULES and LEGALISM. If you don't follow THIS rule, you go to hell. If you don't go to church, you go to hell. People complicate things so much....and that's exactly why everyone is so turned off to "religion". Spirituality IS literal. Keep it simple, keep it practical.

Yet those same "rules" and "legalism" as you call them were also in part responsible for a higher degree of respect towards each other and to the elderly, compared to today's society. This is why I mantain my position in that people should have more regard for the teaching, than being concerned with shooting down the teacher.

Posted by Chance11
that's too simplistic for me to comprehend 😛..keeping it simple and repetition are two of the ways that religion indoctrinates. it's similar to hypnotism. republicans use it all the time to manipulate...repetition (obama wasn't born in this country) and keep it simple and people will believe anything. It's way easier to fool many people than it is one (according to P.T. Barnum.) People aren't turned off to religion because it's too complicated, it's because it can be disproved historically and with a rational mind.

but what i was referring to was about 2000 years ago, when spirituality was based on symbolism rather than, for example, a literal jesus (historically, there is no public record of him anywhere nor does anyone know anyone who knew him). The jesus story is made up of a collection of myths (most notably horus from egypt) that had been circling the meditteranean for thousands of years. In these times, people viewed their gods as things symbolic in the nature of the universe rather than actual people.

Hey Chance, I agree with you here, and would add that it's easy to see why 'knowledge is power'...that is, in the games people play in terms of power dynamics and control, once there's any sort of information imbalance then the trap is already set. It's ridiculously easy to bait any random person with "Hey,...did you know [insert seemingly important but likely trivial data here]" and depending on the logical acuity of the person in target, any such 'new knowledge' can be simply planted as substitute for proper reasoning. Of course, people with memory issues and/or selective memory can wreak their own special brands of havoc in dealing with such info. But with most organized religion, it is undoubtedly IMO about "Hey, let's all get together and hold hands and maybe sing because we're all really just watching the times go by, we feel a bit powerless because we really don't know what will happen when we know no more, and we're afraid, - no, terrified of not knowing. But we're certain there's really a point to all this. So here are some rules and routines to help us pass the time and not give in to abject soul+spirit-crushing boredom." In addition to that, there's a sucker born every minute who won't take the time to do in depth research into the times before, and will just take handed-down, possibly skewed and twisted renditions of human history

Hey Chance, I agree with you here, and would add that it's easy to see why 'knowledge is power'...that is, in the games people play in terms of power dynamics and control, once there's any sort of information imbalance then the trap is already set. It's ridiculously easy to bait any random person with "Hey,...did you know [insert seemingly important but likely trivial data here]" and depending on the logical acuity of the person in target, any such 'new knowledge' can be simply planted as substitute for proper reasoning. Of course, people with memory issues and/or selective memory can wreak their own special brands of havoc in dealing with such info. But with most organized religion, it is undoubtedly IMO about "Hey, let's all get together and hold hands and maybe sing because we're all really just watching the times go by, we feel a bit powerless because we really don't know what will happen when we know no more, and we're afraid, - no, terrified of not knowing. But we're certain there's really a point to all this. So here are some rules and routines to help us pass the time and not give in to abject soul+spirit-crushing boredom." In addition to that, there's a sucker born every minute who won't take the time to do in depth research into the times before, and will just take handed-down, possibly skewed and twisted renditions of human history as total fact and build a life on sand. Granted, no information is pure because even the sense attached to the body have tendencies toward bias and then the mind which processes all this info also has its own built-in biases so really now, who know's what they're talking about 100% of the time? I like to think I do. But I usually just keep quiet in case I don't though I'm always working to make sure I do.

Personally, with so much possibility in the universe, I honestly cannot understand times when I feel bored. It's like, 'Gee, this can't be happening,....I cannot possibly be without something to do!" And so I stay busy at all times...Or that could just be the zodiac goat bleating in my ears and saturn cracking the whip non-stop. 0_O LOL More and more, I'm learning to be content with keeping busy by simply breathing. But as a cappy, breathing ain't breathing unless there's something challenging like yoga involved...so it's back to more 'hard work'. meh.

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom

Yet those same "rules" and "legalism" as you call them were also in part responsible for a higher degree of respect towards each other and to the elderly, compared to today's society. This is why I mantain my position in that people should have more regard for the teaching, than being concerned with shooting down the teacher.

I would agree that religion is a moral point of reference which is unchanging in a changing, chaotic world. So it gives people some certainty and principles of behaviour when all is falling apart. Regard for the teaching yes, the teacher less so because who do you define as "teacher"? Lay people tend to take this role on themselves when they see themselves as sufficiently pious or "holier than thou".

I have a serious problem with people trying to point out the error of my ways based on their peculiar version of faith, when that's between me and Him upstairs. This is what one interpretation of organised religion seems to do to some people. Turns them into annoying judgement police who seem incapable of seeing that their behaviour is totally against all that is moral. it seems that if you do become involved in organised religion many of the people you meet feel they are allowed to judge in this way.

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom


She and I have these types of convo's quite often and every time we end up disagreeing on exactly the same issue 😛; it all boils down to her knowing the power organizations can have on people's minds and therefore rejecting any type of collective attempt to understand the world and life, my reasoning is basically that two heads can come up with more/better conclusions than one and also that it is inevitable people come together to discuss these types of questions, after all we're ALL on the same boat, we all want to get at least a little closer to getting a better understanding of human spirituality. Most of us wish to share our thoughts on these subjects and at the same time listen to what other people have to say about it. Im fully aware of how organized groups have misused their power throughout history, but that doesnt mean the concept of organized religion is wrong in itself, at least I dont see why it would be.

But why do you feel she has to agree with you? Faith is a very personal thing. Are you worried about what will happen when you have children and the effect on their religious upbringing?

shaks you've deleted that pic and I wanted to know what book you were holding....😢

Posted by cappy~go~luckytoo
shaks you've deleted that pic and I wanted to know what book you were holding....😢

You have PM 😄

I'll get back to those 2 last posts later on 🙂

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom

Something I was thinking about today; Cappies, dont you agree that if we look at these two things: 1) Assuming that most of you are in a constant pursue of "the higher goals in life, as members of society" and 2) You approach life in a serious manner because you can only be truly satisfied if you keep yourselves busy with the "complex" aspects of life.

Looking at those two points, dont you think at times they can make you a bit cynical and therefore unncessarily unhappy in that you assume that the most important questions in life MUST have a difficult answer? when in fact, they might have the simplest of them all.

Any thoughts?

i sometimes feel like i have to explain everything and thoroughly but my cancer friend pointed out to me one day that not everything requires such complexity, simple answers are good. my texts will always be like 3 texts and she'll reply with barely one and it's hard to handle sometimes lol

SHAKA MY MAN
I HAVE REVISITED YOUR THREAD
TO ME THE REASON FOR MOST OF MY DISATFACTION IN LIFE IS I AM NEVER SATISFIED
I SET A GOAL I THINK THAT WHEN I REACH THAT GOAL I WILL BE HAPPY
I REACH THE GOAL AND IN A VERY SHORT TIME I AM DISATIFED.
SO I SET ANOTHER GOAL THIS WILL GO ON UNTIL DEATH.

I believe that organized religion is too unorganized, lol. Man made groups and one group may not be the same as the other though they are all supposedly bible related, none match up. So in other words you fit into the group that best fits your "life style " then you preach to make others believe yours is the "RIGHT" one. Some of the biggest phonies out there, good on Sunday, evil on Monday. People are also raised on certain religions, and it may never fit for them but it's ingrained in their family beliefs. The prayer becomes ritual but never sincere! The most synical people I've met are religious and judgemental. They don't even know which way is up!

And yes, I do believe in God and I have always felt the need to be religiously organized but I prefer to live in my own world of what is right and wrong. Especially in this day of age, when there isn't much left to trust!

GO EASY ON HER SHABOOM

Posted by BoomShakalakaBoom

Something I was thinking about today; Cappies, dont you agree that if we look at these two things: 1) Assuming that most of you are in a constant pursue of "the higher goals in life, as members of society" and 2) You approach life in a serious manner because you can only be truly satisfied if you keep yourselves busy with the "complex" aspects of life.

Looking at those two points, dont you think at times they can make you a bit cynical and therefore unncessarily unhappy in that you assume that the most important questions in life MUST have a difficult answer? when in fact, they might have the simplest of them all.

Any thoughts?

actually i am like this to a fault...i set goals for myself once i have completed that one im still not as happy as i thought i would be......then i start on a new task almost immediately...then i have a new task and have not enjoyed what i have just done