Whats with the denial?

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The answer depends on whether the charges are true or not, and the motivation or mood of the accused.
As a Scorpio you probably have an unwavering faith in your intuition. You believe your "psychic" powers of perception are infallible. You dismiss the notion that your power to read minds could be wrong. You might even have a set of tarot cards to confirm this.
But, even the psychic ability of the Scorp can miss the mark at times.
Let me give you an example. Growing up I had a Scorp cousin that I was very close to. We were almost like sisters. When we were teenagers she became pregnant and had an abortion. She swore me to secrecy, and I kept her confidence. However, soon thereafter her parents found out. She became convinced that I told her parents. You can say she became "fixated" on the idea. I tried to tell her that I had nothing to do with it, but she wouldn't believe me. She thought I betrayed her, and our relationship was over. I was hurt, but what could I do? I just moved on. To this day, she STILL thinks I told her parents! Our our most recent family reunion she approached me and said how it still hurt her that I had "snitched", and that if only I could admit that I had lied, she might be able to forgive! I told her straight out, the answer is and was the same as it was 20 years ago. She replied that it was impossible-- that the tarot cards had spoken, and they never lied,lol. I wished her well, but I wasn't going to admit to something I didn't do. She will probably go to her grave believing this, with a grudge in her heart.
If this person you are referring to is guilty of misdeeds, it could be that he/she is talking themselves out of the situation for their own amusement. My bf's Gem BIL is an attorney, and will sometimes take the opposing side of an argument just for the fun of it, to show how a convincing argument can be made. It's a skill that allowed him to build up a very lucrative law practice.
The other possibility is that this person may be completely unapologetic, and not see anything wrong with what they have done. You may see the world as black vs. white, right vs. wrong, good vs. evil. Perhaps you had a strong emotional reaction to what you perceived as the Gem's sins. Meanwhile the Gem might be detached and view their actions dispassionately, from an entirely different (and, some may label selfish)angle.
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Posted by ShopClass
The answer depends on whether the charges are true or not, and the motivation or mood of the accused.
As a Scorpio you probably have an unwavering faith in your intuition. You believe your "psychic" powers of perception are infallible. You dismiss the notion that your power to read minds could be wrong. You might even have a set of tarot cards to confirm this.
But, even the psychic ability of the Scorp can miss the mark at times.
Let me give you an example. Growing up I had a Scorp cousin that I was very close to. We were almost like sisters. When we were teenagers she became pregnant and had an abortion. She swore me to secrecy, and I kept her confidence. However, soon thereafter her parents found out. She became convinced that I told her parents. You can say she became "fixated" on the idea. I tried to tell her that I had nothing to do with it, but she wouldn't believe me. She thought I betrayed her, and our relationship was over. I was hurt, but what could I do? I just moved on. To this day, she STILL thinks I told her parents! Our our most recent family reunion she approached me and said how it still hurt her that I had "snitched", and that if only I could admit that I had lied, she might be able to forgive! I told her straight out, the answer is and was the same as it was 20 years ago. She replied that it was impossible-- that the tarot cards had spoken, and they never lied,lol. I wished her well, but I wasn't going to admit to something I didn't do. She will probably go to her grave believing this, with a grudge in her heart.
If this person you are referring to is guilty of misdeeds, it could be that he/she is talking themselves out of the situation for their own amusement. My bf's Gem BIL is an attorney, and will sometimes take the opposing side of an argument just for the fun of it, to show how a convincing argument can be made. It's a skill that allowed him to build up a very lucrative law practice.
The other possibility is that this person may be completely unapologetic, and not see anything wrong with what they have done. You may see the world as black vs. white, right vs. wrong, good vs. evil. Perhaps you had a strong emotional reaction to what you perceived as the Gem's sins. Meanwhile the Gem might be detached and view their actions dispassionately, from an entirely different (and, some may label selfish)angle.

I see where you are c
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Whats with you guys and denying everything ? I have nothing against gems at all actually am cool with alot of em...but it is something i noticed - like you won't man up to your actions.



U need 2 ask yourself one very important question
do U know what that question is?

what's that?
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Oh you don't know? Lol...you mean 2 tell me you CRAWLED yo ass 5 or 6 miles from
the Scorpio FORUM waaaaaay over here 2 the Gemini FORUM and you don't
know what question 2 ask yourself ? I tell you what
whenever you figure out the question i'll give
you the answer!!!
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Consider the possibility the Gemini in question may feel the actions that you witnessed warrant neither remorse nor an apology. When you say you want the Gem to man up to their actions, what you are saying is that you want this person to agree with your judgement of their actions. You are looking for alignment with your point of view. You want this person to consent to your assesment of their behavior and admit that whatever they did was bad, wrong, selfish (fill in the adjective). But the Gem (or anyone else of any sign for that matter) may disagree with your opinion entirely, denying the admission of guilt you seek.

Here's another example: My husband(fiance at the time)and I wanted to have a destination wedding. Neither of us wanted the pomp and circumstance of a traditional wedding, inviting people we barely knew, dancing to corny love songs, spending a fortune on outfits we'd only wear once, at a church I rarely attended. When I announced our plans it outraged my entire family. My family had been getting married at a specific church for generations, and the idea that I would dare break the tradition upset quite a few people. I had cousins and aunts and uncles calling me telling me how selfish I was, that if we didn't get married at the church that it would destroy my grandparents. I received threats that my marriage wouldn't be acknowledged if I didn't conform to their traditions. My mom tried to guilt me, saying that I was depriving her of the role of mother of the bride. Still, I refused, and held firm. We eventually had our destination wedding exactly as we planned, and we couldn't have been happier. When we got back, some of my family members were still upset, and seemed to delight in telling me that my mother had cried when we left, or how disappointed my dad was not to walk me down the aisle. They kept waiting for an apology that would not come. I didn't feel sorry then,and I don't feel sorry now. I am totally content and happy with our decision. I will never feel the guilt, remorse, regret that others demanded of me.
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The only times I've denied something I've done have been to keep out of a very serious amount of trouble. Or, on occasion, to gain an advantage in order to influence a specific outcome. Besides that, I'm usually of the mindset of, "There, I did it...now deal with it". Like ShopClass said, there are times when people think you have different intentions than you do, and so it looks like denial. Also, sometimes I simply and truly have no idea why I've done something I've done, and that also looks like denial to someone who has already decided why I did it.

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My venus is in LEO and my moon is in SAG...So i have a solution for U elly this is what U
should do whenever U meet a GEM with venus in GEM with moon in VIRGO
just turn right around and walk away that should keep U
from getting in any conflict Lol...U see problem
solved!!!



LOL!!!! Good solution! Haha.

And he actually wasn't a sun gem, he was a sun cancer. I know better than to try to get with a sun gem, for both of our healths! Hahahaha. Though I think the watery ones might be really compatible with me from what I've seen on the boards.
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oh he wasn't ha ha wow...So how much water does a Gem need in his chart in order

for u 2 get along or B compatible ?
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@Gem78, not sure? Lol. I could never be with another gem venus again. EVER. With my scorp venus it's just disaster. And I think a Gem with a Gem moon would make me insane as well. Other placements? *shrug* Air mercury signs are great I luffs dems. I love libra placements too. A pisces moon, libra moon or maybe cap or taurus moon would be best, possibly even leo. A water venus for an air sign would be a must though, I'm too watery myself in my chart that if I we didn't have that trine we'd be screwed probably. My outer planets are in leo, cap and scorp. So those are a bit more lenient. Over all, maybe three or four water placements could do the trick in the right spots, with a nice chunk of earth and perhaps some fire drizzled in. Too much fire with that air though? Oh boy... My cancer moon combined with all my scorp would scuttle/slink away. Fire signs often scare me lol.

@GM awwwwuh! You actually have a REALLY nice chart. You'd be a gem I'd be better with. Though that venus and moon in Taur? Ohhh my all that stubbornness hehehe.



Ok let's see U have

Water Sun
Water Moon
Water Venus

U better B careful U might drown with all that
Water ha ha im j/k...But that's alot
of Water tho.
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@Gem78, not sure? Lol. I could never be with another gem venus again. EVER. With my scorp venus it's just disaster. And I think a Gem with a Gem moon would make me insane as well. Other placements? *shrug* Air mercury signs are great I luffs dems. I love libra placements too. A pisces moon, libra moon or maybe cap or taurus moon would be best, possibly even leo. A water venus for an air sign would be a must though, I'm too watery myself in my chart that if I we didn't have that trine we'd be screwed probably. My outer planets are in leo, cap and scorp. So those are a bit more lenient. Over all, maybe three or four water placements could do the trick in the right spots, with a nice chunk of earth and perhaps some fire drizzled in. Too much fire with that air though? Oh boy... My cancer moon combined with all my scorp would scuttle/slink away. Fire signs often scare me lol.

@GM awwwwuh! You actually have a REALLY nice chart. You'd be a gem I'd be better with. Though that venus and moon in Taur? Ohhh my all that stubbornness hehehe.



Ok let's see U have

Water Sun
Water Moon
Water Venus

U better B careful U might drown with all that
Water ha ha im j/k...But that's alot
of Water tho.



Shit yeah! You're telling me! Lol. And the water merc. AND the merc, sun and venus all conjunct my pluto. I'm just lucky that all the scorp placements are in the 11th house and my cancer moon is in the seventh house, both air houses. And that most of the water is in scorpio, that way I have an ounce of hope for some self-control hahaha.

But still, I feel like I bleed emotions all over the place waaaaaaaay too much.
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Ha Ha well atleast U have that ounce of hope!
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Try being a gem/cancer and Im with a gem......how fun is this one!



Hehehe I'm a scorp with a scorp. Meaning we're either destined for complete and heavenly romance our entire life, or doomed to explode like a nuclear bomb then sink and drown each other the ocean lol.
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Lmao! Great to know we have something in common. Nice to meet you! Lol!
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from my experience with my gem bf...he doesnt deny anything he just doesn't confirm my statements...one word wrong can change a gems response...its simple..if they don't deny nor confirm your most likely close to the truth that or completely pissed them off with accusations that they feel there is no point ..If a person can come to think of those accusations then what makes me think he/she will get it when i talk...they either want you out of their tail. all depends on how the feel ...if they feel offended they'll snap back with sweet yet bitter sarcasm. to win you over to their side..they'll say anything that will be organized in such a way that you have no other option but to agree. they are that good with words. it seems i can understand or sorta get what you mean...i think what your asking is why aren't they as straight forward and as clear as you guys. i totally get what your trying to ask..its just hard to describe.

i think gems are lovely but hard to understand because they expect others to read between the lines. and not just any straight clean line but all fuzzy and filled with twists and turns. i feel that i expect that from my gem bf. for him to be brief and concise and straight to the point. and when i do it...he gets upset. as a aqua/gem we play lots of games and some just for fun..

as for the water signs...the gem will swim to safety and the rest will wonder for where are they going and why are they floating away. like the boats at sea..coming and going.
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Posted by Gemini78
scorpT U still haven't figured out the question

Yet it's been almost 4 days ?



for instance he doesnt really get it or maybe he does. but gemini78 is smart enough to phrase his post in a way that makes you feel dumb without the malicious tone a water sign could give off.. and that is all that it is intended for and not literally for you to answer. if you did most likely it would be how you feel as "denial". it wont be confirmed or denied. it would probably have another string of irrelevant comments. and random videos.

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scorpT U still haven't figured out the question

Yet it's been almost 4 days ?



and random videos.



U know it's a sad day when i come back on this board and have 2 put this FEMALE in her place because she didn't think before she spoke.

Random Video's ? are U serious ? I posted those vid's because that's the type of MUSIC i like 2 listen 2...And further more you're disrespecting a man and i'm speaking of 2PAC btw this man put his life on the line and died because he wanted people 2 know the truth about what was going on in this WORLD and as we all know nothing has changed. So sense U felt the need 2 disrespect him i will always disrespect U as long as i'm on here.

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Posted by Gemini78
scorpT U still haven't figured out the question

Yet it's been almost 4 days ?



for instance he doesnt really get it or maybe he does. but gemini78 is smart enough to phrase his post in a way that makes you feel dumb without the malicious tone a water sign could give off



U damn skippy! and i'm also smart enough 2 know that you're just as dumb and lost in the sause as ScorpT is. Both of U should go on a NIGHT CRAWLING date together.

Posted by candi3bb
from my experience with my gem bf...he doesnt deny anything he just doesn't confirm my statements.
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If i were him i would have left yo ass alone a long time ago and never contacted U again.
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Candi3bb said "and random videos" 😆 rofl. Get out of our heads! We like our visuals ok? Its true though; if I don't feel like its going to get me anywhere to play tango with you, then I will change it to my liking and have fun. Are you worthy of that straight forward response? Can you handle it without flying off or missing the point entirely?

Posted by Whimsy
I want to answer, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Do you mean that a Gem does something crappy and then denies that it ever happened or that s/he did it at all, or do you mean that s/he denies that what was done was a crappy thing to do? Are these things done intentionally, are they accidents, or both?




From my five year experience with a scorpio, those questions don't exist whimsy. There is never a gray area. There is never a reason or action that lead up to a response. There is only you - falling far off some misconceived notion of who they wanted you to be - and you - being pretentious because they never took the time to know the real you to begin with.

Now, this is the way I feel because trying to understand him only gave him more of an opportunity to break me down that bit more. He was never asking me to get closure or find out the truth. He wanted a chance to cause me pain that he felt I deserved. So, why respond? Why not dance around the subject and make you feel confused or silly? I stayed because I loved him, regardless of my imperfections that he couldn't accept. I tried to change all of the traits that he disliked or disapproved of. I abandoned people he felt threatened by or said were bad influences on me. None of it made him happy. The result caused a lot of psychological problems for myself. It was constant verbal abuse that eventually I started to believe. As do all people who are verbally abused. It took me a lot of good people and time to finally get out of that stink he put me in.

What I learned was this: Your inability to understand does not make you right.