How do Leos handle confrontation?

I have posted about this Leo before. He is quite a bit older than me and initially approached me saying he wanted to take care of me in every way. Seemed like a sugar daddy situation that I did not like. He started acting controlling. I came back here when I broke things off with him and he threatened to "burn my life to the ground."

From nearly day one I had a sense he was lying to me about things. I did a little digging online and found many clues that point to him not being who he says he is. Collected screen shots of evidence as I went along.

About a month and a half after I stopped seeing him I had a few too many drinks and sent him tons of messages. I feel a magnetic draw to him. There is some unexplainable chemistry. He asked to see me. Would not touch me physically, but told me he was sorry for everything he did, missed me and still loves me. Beyond all his lies, I actually believe he really does care about me and want to be with me.

We have been back and forth over the last month. Earlier this week he told me no matter what he says to me, no matter how many times he says never call, I should always call. I am always welcome.

I have seen more evidence that he is in a bad financial place. He keeps up the rich guy act. Yesterday he asked in a demanding way that I bring him food. I was nervous he was using me for money. I told him that. He told me he was testing me to see if I am actually his friend. Accused me of using him for sex. Said he wants friendship too. Asked why he has not met my family.He seemed hurt. I told him I know he is broke because of x. He flipped. Told me to never call again. I hung up on him.

Then, I sent him 9 screenshots that are evidence of him lying to me. I told him I never judged the person he actually is, I just needed the truth. I can't trust a liar.

Whenever I have disappeared he has come back. He always checks on me. Calls, whatever. No matter how much i hurt his ego, he always wants me back. This was big though. I am not sure I could ever trust him enough to commit. Still. Is there any chance he will admit to his lies? Will he finally disappear now that I confronted him?

What do you want him to admit? You've done your research, found proof. What proud person no matter the sign would want to have that confessional session with someone they want to impress. Would you? Proud Taurus...

I can admit, I like him much more than I did. I have a sweet side to him. I have always felt an incredible physical attraction. He is so manly, and makes me feel like a woman. I dig that. I have never allowed myself to feel comfortable with him in order to see if I could take things deeper because I know he is not honest. If he could be honest, I wonder if things could feel different. The attraction is there.

He does not have a criminal record. I think he is just a guy that thinks he needs to impress me to keep me. He does not trust me either. I think it is because I put my walls up in reaction to him.

The truth is, I would have a confessional session if I lied. I am honest to a fault. I am a proud Taurus, and it took me a long time, but I am pretty willing to admit when I know I am wrong. Seems to make life easier that way.

I don't see a future with him because I can't be with someone I can't trust. I just can't help but wonder if he fessed up if I would let my guard down.

Posted by capricornmoon
Men aren't like that though. They don't communicate their insecurities like women do, it defeats the purpose of a man if he sat there and pored his heart out to you like a little girl. You want to take the lion ur the lion can not be tamed. Some women get off in the power they have over their men but women can be completely and utterly delusional. He will not relinquish that power to you, no matter how good the sex is. If you really like him, submit toh first, not for the sake of manipulating him.,but let him know your weakness. He will open up more to you that way.

She wouldn't respect him if he adhered to her request of that confessional. When women want men to respond the way that a female would, they don't want a boyfriend or husband. They want a girlfriend or a wife. Just saying....

Heh, I guess you are both right. Perhaps not a confessional but, perhaps, honesty from here forward. Ignore what I called him out on, but stop with the dishonesty. So, do you think there is a chance he will call me as he usually does after I exposed that I know what is up with him? I am so curious as to what will happen, if anything, now.

Laughing at the iphone comment. I think we can pretty much all relate.

Busyeyes - he chased after me leading with lies. I contacted him after a month+, during which time he contacted me several times. He has been the one that contacted me first every other time. He also told me just the day before that I should always call him no matter how many times he tells me to not call. He told me he does not want me to leave him alone and has also shown that through action.

Busy, you don't seem to take any shit. I find it hard to believe that you would keep your mouth shut and not say a word about huge lies coming from a man that is chasing you, talking about marrying you, wants to move in together, etc, etc.

I have kept my mouth shut for months. I would not have said anything if I really never wanted to see him again. I do not tear someone apart for fun. I even told him I accept him as he is, despite all. I just needed to get the truth out in the open. How can anyone have any kind of relationship, no matter what kind, without honesty?

He has wanted to know why I won't commit to him. I finally told him why.

Come on now Busy, you brag about how you don't take the smallest disrespect from any man.

LostBull what is the issue. He lied, that does not meet your standards of a mate. You show disloyalty by bringing his issues to this public forum and you want what?

Got ya. Perhaps you can see why we are on again off again. Despite my Leo moon, I am always surprised by the Leo point if view. This forum is a good place for me to get insight into the way he views things. Thanks.

Posted by capricornmoon
Him fessing up would hurt his pride,don't act like a Virgo(caught up in so many details they miss the bigger picture). Be nice to him, show him your compassionate side. He's probably your other half without you even realizing it. For example, you'll move on,settle down, look back on this, and realize that you love him alot, that you made a mistake. So do you have the courage to overlook his faults? Or will you use his faults against him to break his spirit down? Tauruses can be very destructive, 90% of the time.

I don't believe Taurus or Leo's destruction comes from the heart. I believe it is a matter of prioritizing the importance of issues. LostBull stated he started out providing and protecting (like a sugar daddy). What provider ( sugar daddy etc.) wants the person they are looking after to know they are having financial difficulties. Thus lying through avoiding or eliminating does not make them a liar. Proud maybe, but not necessarily a liar.

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Men aren't like that though. They don't communicate their insecurities like women do, it defeats the purpose of a man if he sat there and pored his heart out to you like a little girl. You want to take the lion ur the lion can not be tamed. Some women get off in the power they have over their men but women can be completely and utterly delusional. He will not relinquish that power to you, no matter how good the sex is. If you really like him, submit toh first, not for the sake of manipulating him.,but let him know your weakness. He will open up more to you that way.

She wouldn't respect him if he adhered to her request of that confessional. When women want men to respond the way that a female would, they don't want a boyfriend or husband. They want a girlfriend or a wife. Just saying....

That's a weakness women have. We want the alpha male bad boy types to be able to turn off their bad boy persona like a light switch and show their feminine side. That's not gonna happen.

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I don't think it's just alpha males. Women want men to conduct themselves the way women do and that is never going to happen alpha, beta, or omega men‚

Capricornmoon - you are so right about women wanting the alpha male that will switch and show his feminine side. I struggle with that. It is pretty impossible to find that. I do not want a bad boy, but I do like someone manly.

I think this Leo struggles with me as well. He wants a subservient woman that will bow to his every want and need. Yet, he tells me he likes me because I am bold and not afraid to try to fight back. He still wins in his mind, but he likes my gusto.

Your advice is good. Do I have the courage to overlook his faults? It is a good question because I know he has overlooked what he deems to be my faults.

After reading the comments here tonight I have thought about this a bit. I really meant it when I said this forum gives me new insight. I truly get to see things so differently. I considered reaching out to him. I also considered just abandoning the idea of talking to him again all together. Some thought is needed. I struggle because I have never had any kind of relationship like this. I always just got along easily with everyone. Perhaps all the fire I am not used to is what makes things so alluring.

Lady - he came off like a sugar daddy, but I think it was always an act. I would not except any of his money or offers I told him I wanted to get to know HIM instead. I didnt want vacations, businesses, an apartment paid for. Thank you, but no thank you. I do not think he hit hard times, he always had them. I believe he thought I was a gold digger because he saw my ex. He described us as beauty and the beast. He told me the only reason I would have been with him was for money. I think he was pretending to be what he thought I wanted, what he thought I saw in my ex. If he just hit hard times and did not want to admit it I would understand.

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Him fessing up would hurt his pride,don't act like a Virgo(caught up in so many details they miss the bigger picture). Be nice to him, show him your compassionate side. He's probably your other half without you even realizing it. For example, you'll move on,settle down, look back on this, and realize that you love him alot, that you made a mistake. So do you have the courage to overlook his faults? Or will you use his faults against him to break his spirit down? Tauruses can be very destructive, 90% of the time.

I don't believe Taurus or Leo's destruction comes from the heart. I believe it is a matter of prioritizing the importance of issues. LostBull stated he started out providing and protecting (like a sugar daddy). What provider ( sugar daddy etc.) wants the person they are looking after to know they are having financial difficulties. Thus lying through avoiding or eliminating does not make them a liar. Proud maybe, but not necessarily a liar.

I think it's destructive In a sense that she knows how to push his buttons, she knows those buttons hurt him, yet continues to push them anyway.

I missed the sugar daddy part. How old is he? When I think of sugar daddies I think of old men who ejaculate worms, use Bengay, eat jello with missing teeth and have a stack full of cash to bribe you.

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I'm going to give her the benefit of not knowing that she is triggering. Leo's are sensitive and people who have not dealt with them up close and personal for a period of time misunderstand most of their energy an behavior.

Raindancer - yes, it is time to make a clear decision.

Capricornmoon- he is 14 years older than me, but he seriously has 14 years of sexy on me. He looks amazing. I have never felt like I am seeing an older man. Every once in a while he tells me I should listen to him because he could be my father. I just laugh.

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Men aren't like that though. They don't communicate their insecurities like women do, it defeats the purpose of a man if he sat there and pored his heart out to you like a little girl. You want to take the lion ur the lion can not be tamed. Some women get off in the power they have over their men but women can be completely and utterly delusional. He will not relinquish that power to you, no matter how good the sex is. If you really like him, submit toh first, not for the sake of manipulating him.,but let him know your weakness. He will open up more to you that way.

She wouldn't respect him if he adhered to her request of that confessional. When women want men to respond the way that a female would, they don't want a boyfriend or husband. They want a girlfriend or a wife. Just saying....

That's a weakness women have. We want the alpha male bad boy types to be able to turn off their bad boy persona like a light switch and show their feminine side. That's not gonna happen.

I don't think it's just alpha males. Women want men to conduct themselves the way women do and that is never going to happen alpha, beta, or omega men‚

Lol. Yea u right. That ain't happen. I've been guilty of that myself. Men are created as men for a reason and vice versa ., a manly man simply does not behave that way. A lot of women don't know, that the more you submit to him, the more you'll get him to behave how you want., he starts to develop a soft spot for you in his heart, next thing you know he's kitty whipped.

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Lol yeah, kitty sipped. We (including me) have all done it. While the appreciate the submitting, to a degree, they also don't want a door mat and respect you when you call them on their butter. Not criticize them in a difficult time.

I am going to be honest, I am just now starting to realize he is a little sensitive. He acts so hard and proud all the time. Tells me I can't hurt him. He seems indestructible, but I am seeing that is not true.

He tries to turn it on me and hurt me, I think to knock me down a notch. I am not hurt in the ways he tries to hurt me. I can see what he is doing, and sometimes actually find it somewhat endearing.

The two of us, we are so different.

Yes, very attracted. I have never been this physically attracted to anyone. If that had not been true I would have been out after he offered to support me. I do not want a sugar daddy.

I think that is where some of his confusion comes in. He wants me to submit. I am very willing to submit in somes ways. But that is only in one arena. Makes things confusing for both if us. I want balance. He thinks he wants total control

Posted by LostBull
I am going to be honest, I am just now starting to realize he is a little sensitive. He acts so hard and proud all the time. Tells me I can't hurt him. He seems indestructible, but I am seeing that is not true.

He tries to turn it on me and hurt me, I think to knock me down a notch. I am not hurt in the ways he tries to hurt me. I can see what he is doing, and sometimes actually find it somewhat endearing.

The two of us, we are so different.

You're not really that different. Here you are hurt by finding out that (a man you say you never wanted anything from) doesn't have anything. Really...

Lady - it is entirely possible I am misinterpreting my own emotions, but I dont think I am hurt. I feel frustrated. I have suspected he was not being honest with me from about a week or two after I started seeing him, to what degree I did not know. I think the whole situation is hampering any potential anything. If I had let my guard down I would be hurt. I never let my guard down. I just feel after months of talking he would be willing to share more of the real him. Of course, he probably feels after months I would be more fully committed. A dog chasing his own tail.

Yes, one of us needs to give in or the tail chasing will never end. Or, one if us needs to give up.

You are right. I notice he is less open and affectionate. I think my toughness is scaring him.

Interesting. But, maybe he is right. Maybe i am not the right one. Last week he only called a few times. I assumed he was seeing someone else. I hoped she would be more what he was looking for than i was. If i am not the right one, i hope he does find her. It is not right for me to be greedy. I wish him happiness, from my heart. I also know it is exactly that thought process that pushes him away. I need to think about this. Thank you all.

Lost Bull you called him on his issues. The decision is now do you accept that the image of perfection you seek is not in this man. Or that we are all fall able and apologize for how you brought it to him and move forward knowing that you may have to contribute to the relationship in numerous ways, (financially, emotionally)
When he told you no matter how many times he says don't call or contact that he doesn't want you to stop. He means it. When he does not want to be contacted he will cut off all communication.

Lady - thanks. I agree. It is a big decision for me. The thing is, I am not able to contribute financially, and he knows that. It DOES bother me when he asks me to pick up food because he knows I just lost one of my businesses, I just was forced to sell my house, I have no current steady source of income (good possibilities on the horizon though) and I have three children to care for.

We will see. Maybe he has cut off communication this time.

Good possibility I will say something to him even if I conclude we will not make it work. I do not like ending things on a sour note.

What do you mean bow down to his every need? Hell no don't. Control type.. got to work together, compromise and adapt.. if not fixed signs aren't nudging anywhere.. got to have respect too, be polite and kind...

Two fixed signs oh man.

Better yet focus on your kids and that guy can kick rocks.

FirstDecan- that is what I like, working together. I still like to be the woman, but not in an inferior position. It is hard to understand in a way because that was part of what attracted him to me. He liked the way I ran my business. He liked that we were both bosses.

Busyeyes- what you are saying here makes more sense to me. Never even had the thought to call him until the moment I did. I admit, I had thought about him though. I even told him that night that the only reason I was there was because I had been drinking. Ugh, but then he was so apologetic, so sweet, and even nice after I canceled seeing him the following day. I know that would not have convinced you. He convinced me. Not an excuse. Yes, I did call him. No, I would not be starting this thread if I had not called him.
On the other hand, I believe he made his financial situation my business when he told me I could leave my old life and he would take care of me. He would give me my own business. He talks about his financial situation to me, I NEVER asked. You may disagree, but I think he opened up that can of worms. If he had not, I never would have had reason to question or check. Even if I did, none of it would have mattered.

Posted by capricornmoon
Well since you're putting up threads about him., I take it that you like him way more than you are willing to admit. The man is broke. Men love money more than they love women. If his money is not up to par, then chasing it will always be his first love and only love.

The real question is, do you see a future with him? Does he have a record? If no and yes, leave him alone.

If you love him too much, accept him for who he is. And the chemistry will always be there. Leo men and Taurus females feen over each other, fixed energy.

Leo women and Scorpio men feen over each other too, for obvious reasons.

Love this ❤❤

Posted by LostBull
He tries to turn it on me and hurt me, I think to knock me down a notch. I am not hurt in the ways he tries to hurt me. I can see what he is doing, and sometimes actually find it somewhat endearing.

The two of us, we are so different.

Is this a Leo thing? like they do it subconsciously? I realized my leo bf did that sometimes but I told him about it and how I dont accept this behaviour.. I am not sure if his calmness meant he realized it too or if he already knew that he acts like this..

I know mine does not do it subconsciously. He does it to turn the focus off him.

Another thing he does is try to make me jealous. I think it makes him crazy that I see through his tactics. I heard him talking loudly in the kitchen on the phone one night, telling some girl how beautiful she looked in the photos he just saw of her. He was laying in on thick. When I didn't come into the kitchen he came to me to finish the conversation. When I didn't ask whom he was talking too, he burst out, "what, that was my niece. Relax, I am sure you thought it was some other woman." I responded that I had assumed as much. It's true, I had, he was being too obvious.

There is something about him trying to hurt my feelings a little that lets me know I mean enough to him that I hurt him sometimes. I also think it is cute that he wants me to be jealous. If my feelings were easily hurt, or if I was a jealous person, this man would absolutely devestate me. I bet he has ruined a few women. Maybe Leos just act this way towards Taurus because we are so stubborn?

I did send him a message saying I felt bad in the way I had sent him all the screenshots through text. Even if I was going to talk to him about it, that was not the right way to approach things. I even sent a second message offering to have him over for dinner. nothing. I am considering an actual phone call to see if he would like meet up. However, that Taurus pride does kick in a little. I am not sure it is worth calling if he does not answer. I feel he is done, and I probably should be too. Oil and water.

Posted by LostBull
I know mine does not do it subconsciously. He does it to turn the focus off him.

Another thing he does is try to make me jealous. I think it makes him crazy that I see through his tactics. I heard him talking loudly in the kitchen on the phone one night, telling some girl how beautiful she looked in the photos he just saw of her. He was laying in on thick. When I didn't come into the kitchen he came to me to finish the conversation. When I didn't ask whom he was talking too, he burst out, "what, that was my niece. Relax, I am sure you thought it was some other woman." I responded that I had assumed as much. It's true, I had, he was being too obvious.

There is something about him trying to hurt my feelings a little that lets me know I mean enough to him that I hurt him sometimes. I also think it is cute that he wants me to be jealous. If my feelings were easily hurt, or if I was a jealous person, this man would absolutely devestate me. I bet he has ruined a few women. Maybe Leos just act this way towards Taurus because we are so stubborn?

I did send him a message saying I felt bad in the way I had sent him all the screenshots through text. Even if I was going to talk to him about it, that was not the right way to approach things. I even sent a second message offering to have him over for dinner. nothing. I am considering an actual phone call to see if he would like meet up. However, that Taurus pride does kick in a little. I am not sure it is worth calling if he does not answer. I feel he is done, and I probably should be too. Oil and water.

Nah, he wanted you to dramatically and openly express your fear of losing him to another woman.

After which, it would be 'Aww it's just you I love, babe.' (ugh lol)


Stop trying to contact him and he'll contact you.

Now... you're right where he wants you-- dangling.


And don't forget, we warned you AND your LEO Moon. 😄

Monty - not only do I remember the warning, I remember your warning specifically. I read what you wrote and thought, " my thoughts exactly, why am I even bothering posting about this?" Then, I ignored your advice and my instinct and moved forward anyway. I admit, I have so much going on in my life, I was looking for a distraction. It certainly has been a distraction! I have never dated anyone that was not a earth or water sign that I actually felt an attraction to. The drama, in this form, I am not used to.

You are so right, he wanted me to act jealous so he could tell me I am the one he wants!

I am going to stop contacting him, although I am surprised that was your advice. I never would have guessed. I DID call him last night and left a message and he did not answer or return a call. He has never gone more than ten minutes before answering any of my calls or texts before. He has never gone more than three days without trying to contact me when I made myself available. I knew when I called, whether he answered or not, I was giving him what he wanted. I finally chased him. I am sure he is gloating whether he is over me or not.

However, I am not sure he actually will call. I feel he really is done. If he still wants me his pride may still keep him away. Now that I exposed him things are different. If I go to his house he knows I only need to point my finger and it will land on something that shows his financial situation. I wouldn't do that. It does not matter. If he does call, he will probably fix his finances first. I know he is patient. He has held out on me in other ways when he thought he could use it to control me.

Not good. it comes off as quest to reach the tangible. I am coward Leo. Constantly in a tug of war battle between the real and imagination land. However, continue what you NEED AND WANT to say!

Not jus leos... everybody.

Signed,

Leo Sun, Pisces Moon.

Posted by LostBull
Lady - thanks. I agree. It is a big decision for me. The thing is, I am not able to contribute financially, and he knows that. It DOES bother me when he asks me to pick up food because he knows I just lost one of my businesses, I just was forced to sell my house, I have no current steady source of income (good possibilities on the horizon though) and I have three children to care for.

We will see. Maybe he has cut off communication this time.

Good possibility I will say something to him even if I conclude we will not make it work. I do not like ending things on a sour note.

What happened with you two eventually? May I ask the state the Leo and you loves in too? This is so earily similar it's frightening really.

Lives not loves in