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I need serious advice...or maybe medication!

I met a Leo on a website and from day one he called me EVERY night for 2 months... we talked about 3 hours a night. At first he was inquisitive and playful...then very flirty and things got romantic between us. After a month he still called every night but became more and more distant...quiet...unresponsive. We had a fight one night in month 3 about that I could not talk to him for a few days as I had an exam and I called him on his behavior that he last month he was yelling a lot and criticizing me...opposite of before...every since then he quit calling for awhile...I then did most the calling and his bad communication stopped but really basically all communication stopped...unresponsive even more...over the time he became more distant - even when he called me he did not have anything to really say...no questions and one word responses...We don't live in the same city...at first I could not meet and we set a future date BUT when the date came around after 5 months he was still very grumpy and angry and said he did not want company....more time passed and no flirting at all now for some time...We still talk about every 3 and it has been 6 months and min is every 3 days and lately he kept the conversation very short or said he had to go because of another call he had. We agreed if either of us met someone we would tell the other.

He then started telling me of all these girls hitting on him...then now is very talkative lately about one he is interested in and is going on dates with...and calling me to tell me every time they went out and what happened and asking my advice as he is not used to not sleeping with women right away. I said if he met someone, I will not call him anymore,....and he said to "still call and he will pick up the phone every time no matter what"...why is he doing this—? I still have deep feelings for him but now a lot of magic is gone after all the confusion and coldness for months... I can be friends and talk to him as such...the last call he was asking me about women as apparently the one he is interested in is a lot like me...taking things slow. Anyways.. I just don't get it as I thought we were an item but something changed between us and seems we cannot get it back...so should I just consider us friends now? In talking the last time.. I revealed a lot of what he did wrong with me and I know he was listening although we were technically talking about her.

Advice please
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Leos can't do long distance.



I can.
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Only until someone is in your face. In my face...In my computer...In my face...In my phone...In my face.
It won't work maybe for the interim but we are a needy bunch and it is not a bad thing. Just think how sad the Sun would be if no one ever saw it. 😢

The OP said he has girls right there with him trying to get with him and he is supposed to remain faithful to SKYPE. Me thinks not.
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Thanks all.. I needed objective insight and confirmation...

Yeah- think friends is good. His too much drama for me.

Looking back...he took a lot of things I said or would not say as rejection, same with many things I would not do.

Although both of us were "free" until we actually met and by choice we were in the beginning 100% committed to one another...long distance relationships are very difficult and hard to keep alive as in many senses only pseudo relations until actually meeting.
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Posted by Nala13
It won't work maybe for the interim but we are a needy bunch and it is not a bad thing. Just think how sad the Sun would be if no one ever saw it. 😢



Not when your Sun touches Saturn and Uranus, both of which bring more universal influence to our affairs. During certain periods, the level of consciousness undergo many drastic changes and one's worldly perspective gains new stages of perception and insight for this reality.

That realm is fake in so many ways. After a while, some can spot the major illusionary patterns which have been forced upon our being, adding a really unpleasant amount of imprints in our minds (and our other bodies). Many proceed according to how they've been programmed by outer sources, either on physical, mental and/or emotional level. Being "needy" is just a tiny bit of the whole programming.

What I'm saying is that's yet another illusion and we've been slaves to many of these spells for a very long time. But don't take it personally. I'm just sharing my opinion.

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The OP said he has girls right there with him trying to get with him and he is supposed to remain faithful to SKYPE. Me thinks not.
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As you already know, that depends on other factors within the natal chart. A person with lots of Water won't be able to deal with such situations.
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I think so also DarkFire...


He already is saying he is unsure with this one and it has only been a few dates and that he does not want to be committed to her- still wants his freedom for other opportunities. From his history, no relationship with him has lasted more than a few months unless a FWB. I know he secretly wants to be tamed, but I told him to have that wish he needs to change his behavior as he is a creature of habit.


Maybe we were both safe - lived in different cities. When it was time for me to go visit he wanted to be alone and when I asked him to come here, he gave me denied. Actions speak louder than words.

As friends I think we are good- his ego needs to love someone other than himself . I know he is capable and can love very deeply but I am not sure that is truly possible right now...he needs to mature...I think in our own strange way we are learning from each other as we are quite opposite in many ways. I also know it is his ego talking when he is trying to reconnect with me on a deeper level and now trying to show me he is so good when talking about himself.


In the end I am happy to have his as a friend as I really do enjoy his company....so all ends well.


Are all Leos so drama filled and temperamental though? I have never met anyone that can be such a rollercoaster of emotions...on one side so extremely sensitive and then also be able to be so uncaring.

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Seraph...you are sooooo insightful and incredibly wise! Wish I had found this forum so much earlier!


Pertaining to being the Queen and appreciating the art and effort via work required to win me.....Should I have put the brakes on in the beginning then? Should I now? So true- he needed space to think about me and more importantly MISS me! You are right he called at a set hour every night.Now our calling each other is random for our every 3 day conversation. Truthfully I am not even sure why we do this -really are deeply fond of each other or if habit? Perhaps a hybrid of both as well as being most probably insane.

Previously I did tell him I was "giving him space and time" in the third month after we had the argument and seriously I was tired of his negative attitude and moodiness which started in the second month. I thought he would be a man and sort out his issues to return when in a better state so I stood by patiently as silhouette in the shadows. However, I then admittedly did routinely call to check on him as truthfully I was concerned for him, really did care, and painfully missed him. Problem is this emotional distance from him continued on for months - he commit emotional suicide with me but in the process also killed me. His "death" was quick as he seemed to change overnight, while I died a slow and painful death. He is only resurrected and his happy self now with women galore worshipping him. I admire his honesty that at least he admits he loves the attention and he REALLY does! However, I desire a man and not a boy who gets his worth only from women falling to their knees and the conquest. I do love talking with him though and truly do adore him to no ends!


I did differentiate myself but maybe not enough as I will truthfully admit it was easy to be captivated under his spell and he is a master at casting it. I did not simply go to meet him on his beck and call and more importantly I could not promise him I would fall into his bed as he so expected upon initially meeting. He also knew fully prior hand that I would expect exclusivity if things were to progress, and said he vowed he would be committed. In the end things did not move forward fast enough for him; but I refuse to submit to anyone's time agenda....it should be a natural and mutual decision. I feel that maybe I was too much work for too little reward. In the end when he first started pulling away I remember he stated I was "just a fantasy" because I was no
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not willing to in the beginning visit him or let him visit me. Eventually when the time did come around, it was too late. He simply gave up - which to me means then he is unworthy and not the one for me.

Where I am most confused is that why is he changing his story so much when talking now and partially scoping me out—? When I agree with him that he should date and have fun - he then says " See how bad I am making him" - I am not doing anything but agreeing with him. Why give me the details play by play of women wanting him and his dates— I am not asking, nor do I really care to know. How can he be so insensitive—? Is this a typical Leo thing— I really do want him to be happy though as I sincerely do care about him, but I simply need a little more time to say my final "goodbyes in my heart" to the one I adored so much in the beginning- the only man who truly made me burn with passion.











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"But tell me something. When, during this constant, regimented, and drawn out communication routine did your Leo ever *really* have any "away time" to think about you and picture himself with you; to place you, without your immediate presence via talking or communicating, into the future he sees with you with the ample space to savour it?

Fire signs, and especially Leo - which is not just any sign but *the only* sign (and in a MAN, at that) that can lay claim to Rulership (Domicile) of the Sun - require some space to let the thought of you as a Queen sink in, and to then consider and savour the opportunity on his own. In his own space (which you'll sometimes need to gently but firmly force on him), this idea inflames him, and sets his mind and heart rolling."

So very true. My Lion had said to me I am the first person who has shown him I am on the same level and have the same desires as his in a relationship. And I have essentially done this with my Lion the past couple of days. We have had the "Life style " talk. We come from two different worlds and I put to him that he has shown without a shadow of a doubt he wants to be with me, care for me, and build a future with me. But, we come from two separate worlds. I don't want him to turn around a couple years down the road and realize his true love is with his old "life style " which I can hear it in his voice how much he cares for her. He got defensive and thought I was interjecting a past relationship on him. I told him, yes and no. But that past was me and what I have learned about myself over the past few years and what I want now in my future. I told him I would go the long haul with him, but to really consider what he truly wants because if it came down to him discovering his true love lies with her then I would have to let him go as I would: 1. want him to be happy 2. would not settle to being second choice.
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Lioness79- I think that was my mistake with him- I should have just let him be alone in his sullen mood and also address his own commitment issues. You seem to know how to tame your lion! I too want him to be happy as well as myself. If that means letting him go (which I now have to accept as his attention has shifted), allowing him to evaluate what he wants (as often he says he does not know), and also having him know I mean I am "all or nothing" expect he same from a partner, then so be it. We both know and have admitted things have changed between us....we promised we would always be friends...and so that seems to be our happy ending. Although I would love the man back I once knew- his playfulness, flirting, wisdom, deep caring...I respect that this is no longer the story between us or if meant to be we will be at sometime maybe in the future.



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Thank you for the support and really the much needed words Seraph! Your words really strike home and you truly are my "Leo Angel" soothing my soul with comfort.

I will drive my self crazy with questions to which there are no answers if I dwell on matters and I have no regrets as I was faithful and loyal to him for the duration; perhaps too much so. There is no use for me to reflect to the point of angst as much as for learning opportunity. I agree- he became selfish and insensitive for whatever reasons, but the reasons do not matter as much as the factual evidence of his actions, with no offer of apology nor remorse. I once told him he could push me away or pull me close but the choice was his but that I was willing to work things out together if possible after our argument. In the end, demonstrated by his actions and now confessions, he has made his decision and so truth be told sort of speak and I must accept that. In all honesty, I feel a little relieved as I was tired of being the only one trying to regain what was lost over the course of months, when it requires both parties. If he really valued me and what we initially had, he would have made a true effort and respected my feelings more.

You are right- I can only be myself and the "right one" for me will appreciate me for my authentic self, instead of some contrived version. Besides I am a Scorpio/Libra cusp so we do not do well with betrayals including betraying ourselves. Of course more insight will come with additional dating experience and now I am also all the wiser of having become close to a Leo, who proved strangely wonderful and fascination in complexities. Instead of him, I have decided to dedicate time to myself for a period and rise as the Phoenix emerging from the ashes.

Thank you so much once again- I cannot tell you how much your words of wisdom did for me...but I do hope the universe repays you in kind.

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Lioness79- I think that was my mistake with him- I should have just let him be alone in his sullen mood and also address his own commitment issues. You seem to know how to tame your lion! I too want him to be happy as well as myself. If that means letting him go (which I now have to accept as his attention has shifted), allowing him to evaluate what he wants (as often he says he does not know), and also having him know I mean I am "all or nothing" expect he same from a partner, then so be it. We both know and have admitted things have changed between us....we promised we would always be friends...and so that seems to be our happy ending. Although I would love the man back I once knew- his playfulness, flirting, wisdom, deep caring...I respect that this is no longer the story between us or if meant to be we will be at sometime maybe in the future.





I am sorry things didn't work out with him. The advice is great here, you want someone who will put as much effort into you as you are to them, and don't settle for anything less because you deserve it.

One thing though to always remember about the Lion, we can't be tamed. Funny, my Lion said that to a friend yesterday that he found someone who is trying to tame him. I gave him "the look." And addressed it after he got off the phone. I am not trying to tame you nor can I and you know that. His response was, I can be if I want to be. I told him no, us Lions/Lionesses never get tamed by someone else. What we do, in the case of the Lioness we are looking for that leader of our pride and once found adjust our lives to what we have wanted in our search, but never changed or tamed. The same with the Lion but he wants the one to take care of the pride and rule with him. Not a bad thing because that is the lion's plight. We want that one to devote to, spend our life with and make a strong domicile.
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to claim you, and in so doing you don't cheapen it by treating it as a mundane occasion that is guaranteed to happen at, say, exactly 10pm at night, every night. That is not an event. It's a checkmark on a schedule. This sort of communication can happen later, when it will be undergirded by the secure foundation of a committed relationship. In *that* context, this consistent level of communication is far better and more meaningful, because there is already something strong behind it.

So for next time, remember that a Queen is a great prize. She rules over and surpasses other women to ensure exclusivity, because of how she behaves when Mr. Leo goes about assessing her value (and he will.) And it's by that (your) behaviour that she shows without a shadow of a doubt, that she is not to be won easily.



So well put!! love it!
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Seraph...you are sooooo insightful and incredibly wise! Wish I had found this forum so much earlier!


Pertaining to being the Queen and appreciating the art and effort via work required to win me.....Should I have put the brakes on in the beginning then? Should I now? So true- he needed space to think about me and more importantly MISS me! You are right he called at a set hour every night.Now our calling each other is random for our every 3 day conversation. Truthfully I am not even sure why we do this -really are deeply fond of each other or if habit? Perhaps a hybrid of both as well as being most probably insane.



Don't worry about him for now. He wasn't very good too you in the end, regardless of what you did. He became a little too cavalier with your feelings. It happens, and I hope he smooths out that bit of roughness over in time. But we're not concerned about him right now. This is very much about you, and maybe some tools that you instinctively knew you had, but you didn't immediately think of mobilizing.

Naturally, after all this, you've got "should I have done X or should I have done Y?" questions. And this is no doubt causing you some confusion and concern about what to "do" next time. Rest easy, though, because there is nothing to do or be worried about. Because if you give free rein to your concerns, you'll end up between a rock - where you're trying to "do" something to the point that it'll feel contrived and unnatural, always checking yourself against a list of dos and don'ts, and a hard place - where you end up not using your head at all and just give in to momentum and thus give too much too soon.

Treat this as information and not as a manual or rulebook. Eventually it'll sink in with experience. You'll naturally (hopefully) re-examine things now and then and do things a little differently the next time purely as a matter of course, because periodic introspection is good. So in time it will *all* feel natural, because you will have cultivated a taste for pacing yourself, and you'll appreciate that your desirability depends as much on how you comport yourself, as it does on your partner's instinctive level of interest.
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Well strange to say the least- now he confessed it was he who chased her. Apparently she wants him badly but does not call him every day as he expects. One minute he says he does not want to be with her and not give up his freedom, but the next he is confessing he wants a relationship with her. Now he calling again daily and is flirting with me like old times with sexual innuendos- of course to feed his unsatisfying hungry ego (which should go on a diet) I have to admit it is easy to be captivated under his spell and I seriously admire his seduction and mind as I seriously really do adore him; however, do not see a plausible future and have thus, have decided to just be friends. He wanted to visit soon, but I do not see the relevance - after all he has her. Really, I believe he is playing us all- her, me and all the others.

I hope all Leos are not so confusing, as this is my fist time falling for one but as a true lion I can understand he likes "the chase" and playing with the mouse after he believes it has been caught. He fails to realize though that the mouse is sometimes also smart enough to get away.
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Thank you Lioness79 and Seraph- you both have provided invaluable advice! Saved me wells of tears and tons of expenses with a therapist. 🙂

I am happy to enjoy him for who he is and really wish him sincere happiness. I do truly love him; but sadly am no longer in love. To me he commit suicide when he quickly became cold and distant- but he also killed me and I died a very slow and painful death and remorsefully like a fool stood by the grave in faithfulness grieving.

I will focus my energies and efforts on myself and I am sure the right one will find me soon enough. I am happy to have a Leo as a dear friend though- they are truly fascinating and delightfully playful.

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For sure he is a "classic player bad boy" type as well as commitment phobic; hence, I am certain there has been a series of broken hearts in his life saga.

In all honesty though it was me who initially put off meeting due to various commitments that could seriously not be avoided and unwillingness to just be a notch on the bed post, but then he did the same due to the claim of "needing time and space" after feeling rejected although I soothed his ego best I could. He also later stated there was a lot of negativity in his life he was dealing with to only emerge claiming there is another he was recently pursuing. After months of distance he now has decided we should meet and pitched "doing things together as a couple" but it has fallen on deaf ears as I am not a woman to share. I know his charm of seduction and romance, but I am now wiser to know is not about me- it is just who he is and words with no meanings. I do enjoy though he is an absolute master at his craft.

I actually value players as friends- you can learn a hella of a lot about men through them. 🙂
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Absolutely Feby! This has been he his nature for a long long time! He even admitted he gets bored after the chase. Even with this one woman that he tried to "change" for by taking things slow- he wants to still have his freedom to pursue others.

Until he truly is not afraid of intimacy and can respect a woman for her entire depth (longer than 24 hours to a few months) there is no future regarding a serious committed relationship. Love affair - yes, but relationship no. The greatest problem with Casanova types is that they really only love themselves and the rest is just acting or fleeting feelings, so either not real or no real depth. As part Libra I love the romance and sensuality, but as Scorpio I crave the intense depth and as well as sexuality. Both have to exist for me in a partner with "partner" being the key word. 🙂
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I know about loving the romance and the sweet words, plus having that all encompassing depth, even desiring that feeling of being consumed by the love the two of us, and just the two of us share together.

Feby- I loved your description and could not have said it better myself! 🙂 I truly love this about being a Libra/Scorpio cusp (although trying to determine which horoscope to follow may be frustrating at times...lol..so I usually pick the one I like best for the day)

Thank you for your support and advice - I cannot tell you how grateful I am to finding this forum and for the genuine and great advice given.