When is openness too open?

Hey guys

So I met a guy who's at my workplace, temporarily. He's a lot older than me but we befriended each other over many cigarettes together. Shared personal stories. Bonded over common ground. I gave him a project I worked on etc...

We're both Leos (bonded over that too). I'm a Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, Mercury Leo, Venus Libra... need more?

He's Leo Sun, Pisces Moon, Mercury Leo, Venus Gemini...

At one point I asked for his advice. He's very successful at his field (well he is extremely charming and seems to easily befriend everyone to be honest). My role is a very bottom one, but I've been making a lot of progress outside said role and some people in the workplace got jealous and are trying to lay massive obstacles in my path (a lot of gossiping). He seemed to be happy I asked for his advice and said I shouldn't give a shit about these people etc... And a lot more insults. That was when I also asked if he'd be willing to look at my project.

A week passed since, that week we started drifting apart. Mainly, I believe, because he has a bad injury and because he had a ton of friends and guests to entertain and I didn't want to approach and intrude. So I remained with my friends. At times we did talk and I've been trying to assist him and support him with his injury.

Now tonight, one of those people who've been badmouthing me suddenly approached him, introduced himself and they started chatting and laughing. Next thing I know they went out for a ciggy together... which means I missed my chance to chat tonight and I got a bit stressed about them getting along. I obviously didn't want to approach when they were together. I'm sure I'm being paranoid but I worry that guy is attempting to gain his trust and will eventually use it against me. I have no doubt though that he's purposefully trying to steer him away since he's seen us together.

Once they finished the ciggy and the Leo went back in to join his guests (family), I went over and mentioned I wanted to talk to him. He introduced me to his family.. Stupidly stupidly I was so stressed I said a couple of things, smiled and then turned back to him and asked if he's staying late tonight (I should have just befriended the family but I was far too stressed and I'm sure I showed it. Always drama with us!). He said not tonight and explained what he's up to tomorrow. So I said "tomorrow then". That was when he mentioned suddenly that he had a look at my project and that he loved it. I said "oh. We need to talk about that too then" (I was quite disappointed he mentioned it as a bytheway thing rather than approached me and talked about it properly)

I was wondering if next time I catch him alone, if I should mention that guy who approached him tonight is one of those I told him about? In fact, probably the main one...

I have no doubt they'll see each other again too since the three of us are always around (though the Leo is leaving in about 5 weeks)

As a Leo myself, I do want complete openness. But I worry others will see this as me trying to bring another person down.. I can't help but worry he'll do what he can to come between us

I'm sorry it's so long. It's such a complex situation but I do want to stay friends with him and get closer. I really enjoy our friendship

Interesting. So knowing your Mars and his Mars is also helpful. Also know that your Scorpio Moon is driving you nutty, so you'll need to rein that in a bit. It has you paranoid over the smaller details. Granted it probably gives you a solid intuition regarding the people around you too. Listen to it, but don't let it become too overbearing though. It could potentially make you too obsessive and intense.

It's best to look at the big picture. The Leo guy seems impressed with your work, that's a good thing. He also has already told you not to worry about what other people have to say. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Try to focus on the positives so that you can put out your best work. By staying in a more positive head space you'll be less nervous. If you're less nervous you won't miss certain opportunities (like schmoozing with his family).

Side question, are you also romantically interested in this Leo guy? This all sounded very professional.

From his placements it sounds like he may be a bit more laid back, but still emotional intuitive. His Pisces Moon will mean he may be more go with the flow as long as his own emotions are in check. Pisces Moon people can REALLY lose it and become explosive if they are not in tune with their own emotions. Both of Mercury being in Leo (and you two being Leos) in a plus. Also your Venus placements should have an easy times expressing to each other emotionally (if you're indeed interested in him romantically). Since this a work scenario though, the Mars info is helpful.

Overall, I wouldn't necessarily bring up the other guy in conversation with the Leo. If the Leo mentions the guy, then you may want to slip in a, "Oh he's one of the guys who was talking bad about me, but I'm over it." Take the high ground and you'll appear more impressive.

Posted by Chuckcem
Interesting. So knowing your Mars and his Mars is also helpful. Also know that your Scorpio Moon is driving you nutty, so you'll need to rein that in a bit. It has you paranoid over the smaller details. Granted it probably gives you a solid intuition regarding the people around you too. Listen to it, but don't let it become too overbearing though. It could potentially make you too obsessive and intense.

It's best to look at the big picture. The Leo guy seems impressed with your work, that's a good thing. He also has already told you not to worry about what other people have to say. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Try to focus on the positives so that you can put out your best work. By staying in a more positive head space you'll be less nervous. If you're less nervous you won't miss certain opportunities (like schmoozing with his family).

Side question, are you also romantically interested in this Leo guy? This all sounded very professional.

From his placements it sounds like he may be a bit more laid back, but still emotional intuitive. His Pisces Moon will mean he may be more go with the flow as long as his own emotions are in check. Pisces Moon people can REALLY lose it and become explosive if they are not in tune with their own emotions. Both of Mercury being in Leo (and you two being Leos) in a plus. Also your Venus placements should have an easy times expressing to each other emotionally (if you're indeed interested in him romantically). Since this a work scenario though, the Mars info is helpful.

Overall, I wouldn't necessarily bring up the other guy in conversation with the Leo. If the Leo mentions the guy, then you may want to slip in a, "Oh he's one of the guys who was talking bad about me, but I'm over it." Take the high ground and you'll appear more impressive.

Thank you so much for the reply 🙂 I've done more thinking in the meantime (yep. Obsessing is quite right. At least I've constructed a bit of a plan doing that so I'm feeling less desperate lol)

I am indeed interested in him... but I believe he has a gf (he never mentioned her nor brought her in but I believe he does)

I'd really just love to stay friends with him, remain in contact once he leaves and possibly work together in the future on a project...

My main concern is the fact we haven't had a moment to talk on our own properly (sit down and chat like at the beginning) in about a week now despite seeing each other daily (which, as you figured from my Scorpio - has been extremely difficult for me heh)

And that guy will most likely try to get between us / steal him whenever possible... which will make it even harder on me to get to him

I thought that tomorrow I'll muster up some courage, approach him around other people if he's not alone (I normally let him be when he's with people) and say I'm extremely impatient (truth) and want to properly talk about what he thought of the project (considering it's 23 pages that I wrote, the fact he read it over the weekend means a lot to me and I really feel we need to talk about it properly rather than him casually mentioning he loved it when I came over) so I'll offer buying him a drink (he won't let me. I know how he's like lol) or at least sit for a bit

I just hope it'll happen quickly

I know what you mean about keeping things positive but I do sincerely worry about the effects that guy could have on the friendship with the Leo. I don't suspect he'll be badmouthing me to him, if I'm being honest, just that he'll attempt to split us up.. and being frank I am quite scared of that guy (I've known that guy for about 2 years now and he's an alcoholic and can get violent) so when he's by my Leo... I won't be going there

Maybe say something on the lines of "the advice you gave me the other week...", mention him (just the fact he was one of those people, without saying all the other stuff) and that because of that I stay away from him? (that guy often hangs with my friends so it gets a bit awkward when he's around)

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Posted by agalgalon
Hey guys

So I met a guy who's at my workplace, temporarily. He's a lot older than me but we befriended each other over many cigarettes together. Shared personal stories. Bonded over common ground. I gave him a project I worked on etc...

We're both Leos (bonded over that too). I'm a Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, Mercury Leo, Venus Libra... need more?

He's Leo Sun, Pisces Moon, Mercury Leo, Venus Gemini...

At one point I asked for his advice. He's very successful at his field (well he is extremely charming and seems to easily befriend everyone to be honest). My role is a very bottom one, but I've been making a lot of progress outside said role and some people in the workplace got jealous and are trying to lay massive obstacles in my path (a lot of gossiping). He seemed to be happy I asked for his advice and said I shouldn't give a shit about these people etc... And a lot more insults. That was when I also asked if he'd be willing to look at my project.

A week passed since, that week we started drifting apart. Mainly, I believe, because he has a bad injury and because he had a ton of friends and guests to entertain and I didn't want to approach and intrude. So I remained with my friends. At times we did talk and I've been trying to assist him and support him with his injury.

Now tonight, one of those people who've been badmouthing me suddenly approached him, introduced himself and they started chatting and laughing. Next thing I know they went out for a ciggy together... which means I missed my chance to chat tonight and I got a bit stressed about them getting along. I obviously didn't want to approach when they were together. I'm sure I'm being paranoid but I worry that guy is attempting to gain his trust and will eventually use it against me. I have no doubt though that he's purposefully trying to steer him away since he's seen us together.

Once they finished the ciggy and the Leo went back in to join his guests (family), I went over and mentioned I wanted to talk to him. He introduced me to his family.. Stupidly stupidly I was so stressed I said a couple of things, smiled and then turned back to him and asked if he's staying late tonight (I should have just befriended the family but I was far too stressed and I'm sure I showed it. Always drama with us!). He said not tonight and explained what he's up to tomorrow. So I said "tomorrow then". That was when he mentioned suddenly that he had a look at my project and that he loved it. I said "oh. We need to talk about that too then" (I was quite disappointed he mentioned it as a bytheway thing rather than approached me and talked about it properly)

I was wondering if next time I catch him alone, if I should mention that guy who approached him tonight is one of those I told him about? In fact, probably the main one...

I have no doubt they'll see each other again too since the three of us are always around (though the Leo is leaving in about 5 weeks)

As a Leo myself, I do want complete openness. But I worry others will see this as me trying to bring another person down.. I can't help but worry he'll do what he can to come between us

I deal with this everyday at work

Especially since my coworker is trying to sabotage me saying I use meth

He's a scorpio, super manipulative, thing is I have scorpio moon so I can be manipulative in a grand scale

But I get your paranoia

I say yeah, let him have it ,tell him, it's also a good way of us scorpio moons trusting someone

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Yeah a part of me thinks as a Leo he'll appreciate the honesty. I don't think he'll stay away from the guy since the Leo wants to get along with everyone but at least he'll understand where I stand

I was tempted to say to the Leo at that same point that us Lions tend to leave an impression wherever we go, one kind or another, and some can't handle it (the Leo did mention to me back when I asked for his advice that he's been through similar cases)

Oh and my Mars is Capricorn

His, Sagittarius

Posted by Tom_Sawyer
Oh..you're a woman, okay, now it makes sence.

If the older gentleman is half as clever as you described him, he'll see right through your co-workers attempt to charm him.

On the other hand, he'll also see through your insecurities and desperation while you try to get his attention etc.

I get the vibe that he did concider you some what of an equal when you first met but your clingyness got the best of you.

If you want to maintain your face, stop thinking like a woman on her period.

Learn how to think like a man

(We don't fuck with each others heads).

This is why men can generally be life-long friends.

In your situation a normal man would have confronted his co-worker and fought him one on one in a parking lot or something and gotten it over with.

Understand what I mean?

Yeah, fighting a coworker would get me fired... 🙂 (actually, wouldn't be surprised if that coworker wants me to lash out at him)

Also, that coworker isn't trying to charm the Leo, he just befriended him. But I know how he's like and that he's trying to lay traps in my way. He saw us together numerous times and suddenly randomly approached him

As for clinginess, we haven't spoken properly in a week cos he was surrounded by friends and guests and I was with my friends.. so I didn't cling on to him. I gave him my project a week ago after he said he wants to read it and I said "no rush", but he read it already. He only mentioned it briefly last night when I went over to him

When exactly did I fuck with anyone's head...?

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Posted by Chuckcem
Interesting. So knowing your Mars and his Mars is also helpful. Also know that your Scorpio Moon is driving you nutty, so you'll need to rein that in a bit. It has you paranoid over the smaller details. Granted it probably gives you a solid intuition regarding the people around you too. Listen to it, but don't let it become too overbearing though. It could potentially make you too obsessive and intense.

It's best to look at the big picture. The Leo guy seems impressed with your work, that's a good thing. He also has already told you not to worry about what other people have to say. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Try to focus on the positives so that you can put out your best work. By staying in a more positive head space you'll be less nervous. If you're less nervous you won't miss certain opportunities (like schmoozing with his family).

Side question, are you also romantically interested in this Leo guy? This all sounded very professional.

From his placements it sounds like he may be a bit more laid back, but still emotional intuitive. His Pisces Moon will mean he may be more go with the flow as long as his own emotions are in check. Pisces Moon people can REALLY lose it and become explosive if they are not in tune with their own emotions. Both of Mercury being in Leo (and you two being Leos) in a plus. Also your Venus placements should have an easy times expressing to each other emotionally (if you're indeed interested in him romantically). Since this a work scenario though, the Mars info is helpful.

Overall, I wouldn't necessarily bring up the other guy in conversation with the Leo. If the Leo mentions the guy, then you may want to slip in a, "Oh he's one of the guys who was talking bad about me, but I'm over it." Take the high ground and you'll appear more impressive.

Thank you so much for the reply 🙂 I've done more thinking in the meantime (yep. Obsessing is quite right. At least I've constructed a bit of a plan doing that so I'm feeling less desperate lol)

I am indeed interested in him... but I believe he has a gf (he never mentioned her nor brought her in but I believe he does)

I'd really just love to stay friends with him, remain in contact once he leaves and possibly work together in the future on a project...

My main concern is the fact we haven't had a moment to talk on our own properly (sit down and chat like at the beginning) in about a week now despite seeing each other daily (which, as you figured from my Scorpio - has been extremely difficult for me heh)

And that guy will most likely try to get between us / steal him whenever possible... which will make it even harder on me to get to him

I thought that tomorrow I'll muster up some courage, approach him around other people if he's not alone (I normally let him be when he's with people) and say I'm extremely impatient (truth) and want to properly talk about what he thought of the project (considering it's 23 pages that I wrote, the fact he read it over the weekend means a lot to me and I really feel we need to talk about it properly rather than him casually mentioning he loved it when I came over) so I'll offer buying him a drink (he won't let me. I know how he's like lol) or at least sit for a bit

I just hope it'll happen quickly

I know what you mean about keeping things positive but I do sincerely worry about the effects that guy could have on the friendship with the Leo. I don't suspect he'll be badmouthing me to him, if I'm being honest, just that he'll attempt to split us up.. and being frank I am quite scared of that guy (I've known that guy for about 2 years now and he's an alcoholic and can get violent) so when he's by my Leo... I won't be going there

Maybe say something on the lines of "the advice you gave me the other week...", mention him (just the fact he was one of those people, without saying all the other stuff) and that because of that I stay away from him? (that guy often hangs with my friends so it gets a bit awkward when he's around)

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Remember that we Leos keep a lot of people around us, but that doesn't mean we actually TRUST any of them. Also the BEST thing that other guy could do is bad mouth you. The Leo guy isn't dumb, he'll pick up on the other guy's negativity if you name pops up. I think taking the high ground here is best. Remain focused on doing your best work.

I say this from experience. If you feel the urge to give the Leo guy a heads, try to do so in the most lighthearted way possible. Don't get too deep or detailed. Just know that by bringing it up, you'll make it clear to the Leo that it's important and on your mind.

Posted by Chuckcem

Posted by agalgalon

Posted by Chuckcem
Interesting. So knowing your Mars and his Mars is also helpful. Also know that your Scorpio Moon is driving you nutty, so you'll need to rein that in a bit. It has you paranoid over the smaller details. Granted it probably gives you a solid intuition regarding the people around you too. Listen to it, but don't let it become too overbearing though. It could potentially make you too obsessive and intense.

It's best to look at the big picture. The Leo guy seems impressed with your work, that's a good thing. He also has already told you not to worry about what other people have to say. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Try to focus on the positives so that you can put out your best work. By staying in a more positive head space you'll be less nervous. If you're less nervous you won't miss certain opportunities (like schmoozing with his family).

Side question, are you also romantically interested in this Leo guy? This all sounded very professional.

From his placements it sounds like he may be a bit more laid back, but still emotional intuitive. His Pisces Moon will mean he may be more go with the flow as long as his own emotions are in check. Pisces Moon people can REALLY lose it and become explosive if they are not in tune with their own emotions. Both of Mercury being in Leo (and you two being Leos) in a plus. Also your Venus placements should have an easy times expressing to each other emotionally (if you're indeed interested in him romantically). Since this a work scenario though, the Mars info is helpful.

Overall, I wouldn't necessarily bring up the other guy in conversation with the Leo. If the Leo mentions the guy, then you may want to slip in a, "Oh he's one of the guys who was talking bad about me, but I'm over it." Take the high ground and you'll appear more impressive.

Thank you so much for the reply 🙂 I've done more thinking in the meantime (yep. Obsessing is quite right. At least I've constructed a bit of a plan doing that so I'm feeling less desperate lol)

I am indeed interested in him... but I believe he has a gf (he never mentioned her nor brought her in but I believe he does)

I'd really just love to stay friends with him, remain in contact once he leaves and possibly work together in the future on a project...

My main concern is the fact we haven't had a moment to talk on our own properly (sit down and chat like at the beginning) in about a week now despite seeing each other daily (which, as you figured from my Scorpio - has been extremely difficult for me heh)

And that guy will most likely try to get between us / steal him whenever possible... which will make it even harder on me to get to him

I thought that tomorrow I'll muster up some courage, approach him around other people if he's not alone (I normally let him be when he's with people) and say I'm extremely impatient (truth) and want to properly talk about what he thought of the project (considering it's 23 pages that I wrote, the fact he read it over the weekend means a lot to me and I really feel we need to talk about it properly rather than him casually mentioning he loved it when I came over) so I'll offer buying him a drink (he won't let me. I know how he's like lol) or at least sit for a bit

I just hope it'll happen quickly

I know what you mean about keeping things positive but I do sincerely worry about the effects that guy could have on the friendship with the Leo. I don't suspect he'll be badmouthing me to him, if I'm being honest, just that he'll attempt to split us up.. and being frank I am quite scared of that guy (I've known that guy for about 2 years now and he's an alcoholic and can get violent) so when he's by my Leo... I won't be going there

Maybe say something on the lines of "the advice you gave me the other week...", mention him (just the fact he was one of those people, without saying all the other stuff) and that because of that I stay away from him? (that guy often hangs with my friends so it gets a bit awkward when he's around)

Remember that we Leos keep a lot of people around us, but that doesn't mean we actually TRUST any of them. Also the BEST thing that other guy could do is bad mouth you. The Leo guy isn't dumb, he'll pick up on the other guy's negativity if you name pops up. I think taking the high ground here is best. Remain focused on doing your best work.

I say this from experience. If you feel the urge to give the Leo guy a heads, try to do so in the most lighthearted way possible. Don't get too deep or detailed. Just know that by bringing it up, you'll make it clear to the Leo that it's important and on your mind.

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Yeah. I don't expect him to badmouth me. He's done that plenty and I'm sure he knows by now that some of the people he spoke to are actually better friends of mine than they are of his, hence how I know. He'd fear the same in that case. But he'll just always try to drag him away (and because the Leo is so friendly.. I doubt he'd fail)

Lighthearted though is a good idea. I'll do that. I think something casual is what I need to do.. my main reason for wanting to chat in any case is to properly talk about the project

Posted by Tom_Sawyer

Posted by agalgalon

Posted by Tom_Sawyer
Oh..you're a woman, okay, now it makes sence.

If the older gentleman is half as clever as you described him, he'll see right through your co-workers attempt to charm him.

On the other hand, he'll also see through your insecurities and desperation while you try to get his attention etc.

I get the vibe that he did concider you some what of an equal when you first met but your clingyness got the best of you.

If you want to maintain your face, stop thinking like a woman on her period.

Learn how to think like a man

(We don't fuck with each others heads).

This is why men can generally be life-long friends.

In your situation a normal man would have confronted his co-worker and fought him one on one in a parking lot or something and gotten it over with.

Understand what I mean?

Yeah, fighting a coworker would get me fired... 🙂 (actually, wouldn't be surprised if that coworker wants me to lash out on him)

Also, that coworker isn't trying to charm the Leo, he just befriended him. But I know how he's like and that he's trying to lay traps in my way. He saw us together numerous times and suddenly randomly approached him

As for clinginess, we haven't spoken properly in a week cos he was surrounded by friends and guests and I was with my friends.. so I didn't cling on to him. I gave him my project a week ago after he said he wants to read it and I said "no rush", but he read it already. He only mentioned it briefly last night when I went over to him

When exactly did I fuck with anyone's head...?

I didn't say you fucked with his head.

I said, we as men, don't fuck with each others heads.

So, learn to think like a man.

Your situation reminds me of a bad '90's chick flick.

" She's just a girl in a big city trying to climb the corporate ladder, nobody notices her, she will rise, her name is.. *insert your name here*.

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Not corporate.. artistic. And actually, I'm already climbing up the ladder. That's exactly why jealous people are trying sabotage it 😉 Thanks for the sexist input though

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Posted by Tom_Sawyer

Posted by agalgalon

Posted by Tom_Sawyer
Oh..you're a woman, okay, now it makes sence.

If the older gentleman is half as clever as you described him, he'll see right through your co-workers attempt to charm him.

On the other hand, he'll also see through your insecurities and desperation while you try to get his attention etc.

I get the vibe that he did concider you some what of an equal when you first met but your clingyness got the best of you.

If you want to maintain your face, stop thinking like a woman on her period.

Learn how to think like a man

(We don't fuck with each others heads).

This is why men can generally be life-long friends.

In your situation a normal man would have confronted his co-worker and fought him one on one in a parking lot or something and gotten it over with.

Understand what I mean?

Yeah, fighting a coworker would get me fired... 🙂 (actually, wouldn't be surprised if that coworker wants me to lash out on him)

Also, that coworker isn't trying to charm the Leo, he just befriended him. But I know how he's like and that he's trying to lay traps in my way. He saw us together numerous times and suddenly randomly approached him

As for clinginess, we haven't spoken properly in a week cos he was surrounded by friends and guests and I was with my friends.. so I didn't cling on to him. I gave him my project a week ago after he said he wants to read it and I said "no rush", but he read it already. He only mentioned it briefly last night when I went over to him

When exactly did I fuck with anyone's head...?

I didn't say you fucked with his head.

I said, we as men, don't fuck with each others heads.

So, learn to think like a man.

Your situation reminds me of a bad '90's chick flick.

" She's just a girl in a big city trying to climb the corporate ladder, nobody notices her, she will rise, her name is.. *insert your name here*.

actually, I'm already climbing up the ladder. That's exactly why jealous people are trying sabotage it 😉 Thanks for the sexist input though

Sexist input, huh? Okay.

Here's a quick reality check for you.

You may be climbing the ladder, yet it only took the involvement of 1 co-worker for you to understand that you're weak.

Weak people know their place, you know your place too.

This is why you're desperately trying to reach out the the "alpha" of the group, convincing yourself that If only you can reach him, he'll some how understand your worth and lift you up to his level.

If you'd be an "alpha" that you think you are, even in the slightess, you're whole story would have sounded completely different.

As a matter of fact, there wouldn't even be a story, everything would have gone smooth.

So, yeah, disregard my words as sexist, ignore everything told to you and see how quick you crash and burn upon the next "crisis" lol.

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"Oh..you're a woman, okay, now it makes sence."

"stop thinking like a woman on her period."

Not sexist at all.. nop

I never said I wasn't weak or have no insecurities. It's nothing to do with the fact I'm a woman though. It's all to do with the fact I AM HUMAN

The Leo approached me first. We became friends. I'm not looking for his assistance to get me on top. He wanted to read my project but no matter how much he loved it - he can't help me with it rather than just give me feedback. Which was why he wanted to read it. I want to stay friends with him because I enjoy his company - SHOCKING

I've been making progress up the ladder long before I met him and we've both shared those things between us too

And yep, I'll keep ignoring your advice (I actually didn't see any advice..rather, a bunch of sexist insults), so thanks. Move on to troll another topic.

I apologised to him today for being rude with the family yesterday, since it was brought up..

Personally I'm quick to forgive and don't hold grudges. More so when someone genuinely apologises and explains their reasons too. I do wonder if others are like that as well? Especially considering the sides of his natal chart I'm less familiar with

Posted by Tom_Sawyer
Oh..you're a woman, okay, now it makes sence.

If the older gentleman is half as clever as you described him, he'll see right through your co-workers attempt to charm him.

On the other hand, he'll also see through your insecurities and desperation while you try to get his attention etc.

I get the vibe that he did concider you some what of an equal when you first met but your clingyness got the best of you.

If you want to maintain your face, stop thinking like a woman on her period.

Learn how to think like a man

(We don't fuck with each others heads).

This is why men can generally be life-long friends.

In your situation a normal man would have confronted his co-worker and fought him one on one in a parking lot or something and gotten it over with.

Understand what I mean?

This