will he try to come back? :.(

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my leo man suddenly ended our playful, wonderful relationship after 8 months, due to him beginning to open his new business, and him no longer having time to give me what i need..which is constant communication ( such as over the phone when we are apart, to show me that we were still on board. he told me that all he could think abt was getting this off the ground because it is something he MUST do, which is understandable bc he has been wanting this since before i came into his life, and have talked to me about throughout our relationship. when i expressed to him how i felt, gently and calmly, with some tears of course( bc duh, i realize the man i love is slipping away :.( ) he told me all the wonderful things abt myself and why he adores me, just that he cant focus his attention on me anymore. he asked me how i wanted to handle things, and i told him of course i did not wanna loose him. then i asked him his what he thought and he said that he thought it best we didnt see eachother anymore bc he didnt want to continue treating me like sh*t and that i deserved better. but when i asked hi if this was what he WANTED, he hesitated. first with no, then yes, (then a cuss word, heavy breath, and finally ": it has to be done." explained to me that he is only able to think with his head not his heart on this. im so hurt and devasted i dont know what to do. we never argued, or treated eachother poorly, we palyed and laughed all the time and he treated me like a queen, if i needed something, just to ask, which was heardly ever, so as to not stress him out with what i had going on. we made a great fit. he would ask abt my daughter, i met his mother during the holidays and all of his closest fiends. i was just SURE we were a sure thing, once i sat down to look at all we have done.. with zero drama...and im a Scorpio, lol...it was very and surprisingly easy to keep my stinger away bc it was just hard to feel anything but bliss around this man. he is funny, doesnt indulge drama( just detours negativity with his sense of humor, with anyone) is respected by all who know him as he was gracious to everyone he met and knew. and his friends had nothing but good to say to me abt him. he was very affectionate, although not eotional( which was fine!) the new business, he showed me sites he had been considering to build on within the city, his concept and everything, not that i felt like i was a part of it, but felt nice that he invloved me and asked me my thoughts.Anyway, help?

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my leo man suddenly ended our playful, wonderful relationship after 8 months, due to him beginning to open his new business, and him no longer having time to give me what i need..which is constant communication ( such as over the phone when we are apart, to show me that we were still on board. he told me that all he could think abt was getting this off the ground because it is something he MUST do, which is understandable bc he has been wanting this since before i came into his life, and have talked to me about throughout our relationship. when i expressed to him how i felt, gently and calmly, with some tears of course( bc duh, i realize the man i love is slipping away :.( ) he told me all the wonderful things abt myself and why he adores me, just that he cant focus his attention on me anymore. he asked me how i wanted to handle things, and i told him of course i did not wanna loose him. then i asked him his what he thought and he said that he thought it best we didnt see eachother anymore bc he didnt want to continue treating me like sh*t and that i deserved better. but when i asked hi if this was what he WANTED, he hesitated. first with no, then yes, (then a cuss word, heavy breath, and finally ": it has to be done." explained to me that he is only able to think with his head not his heart. im so hurt and devasted i dont know what to do. we never argued, or treated eachother poorly, we palyed and laughed all the time and he treated me like a queen, if i needed something, just to ask, which was heardly ever, so as to not stress him out with what i had going on. we made a great fit. he would ask abt my daughter, i met his mother during the holidays and all of his closest fiends. i was just SURE we were a sure thing, once i sat down to look at all we have done.. with zero drama...and im a Scorpio, lol...it was very and surprisingly easy to keep my stinger away bc it was just hard to feel anything but bliss around this man. he is funny, doesnt indulge drama( just detours negativity with his sense of humor, with anyone) is respected by all who know him as he was gracious to everyone he met and knew. and his friends had nothing but good to say to me abt him. he was very affectionate, although not eotional( which was fine!) the new business, he showed me sites he had been considering to build on within the city, his concept and everything, not that i felt like i was a part of it, but felt nice that he invloved me and asked me my thoughts.Anyway, i asked him if

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explained to me that he is only able to think with his head not his heart.

Leo's think with their hearts not their heads. At least the female ones do anyway.

Leo's can be workaholics and if there is a project then we will focus on that, but that doesn't get in the way of love for us - we'll still make the time, if we love.

Lean back, leave him alone and let him miss you - for weeks if needs be. Then see what happens, if he wants you he'll come after you, if not you're better off anyway. The intensity of the relationship may have been too much for him if he wasn't as in love as you were. If after a few weeks you still feel like you should have a relationship with this guy you can send him a little text, non emotional, and see if you get a response.

I still say the leo/scorpio thing just doesn't work.

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yes i have heard the same as for leos and scorpios, as long as someone lets the other have the upper hand, which i gladly let him have..even if he was wrong on something lol...id just write it off and say " hmm maybe i just need to do more research"...it is a project he told me before that he wanted to get off the ground but was always backburnered bc he ended up in relationships that didnt let him put the energy into it, to which i can relate :/( i am a tattoo artist). but even as a scorpio, i REFUSED to bump heads with him on trivial things, bc jeeez life is too short to sweat the bs, yes? . Big things we spoke on right away, nipped things in the bud before they may or may not fester, decided to agree or to disagree, and moved on with our day. Oh yeah, he also has a capricorn moon. But yeah clearly he was not feeling us like i was...i asked him if he was feeling like it wasnt going to happen, he replied " i dont know honey...i just know im focused on this right now" he told me he wanted to hear from me now and then to know how im doing, and to make sure i focus on my art he loves so much. grr so wierd..i dont know if all my post showed, but i met his mother, all of his closest friends, we have traveled together, he told me he wanted to meet my daughter...AND he has also made reference to things in future tense, like summer plans, or next valentines day, for me to just go ahead and make the massage appointment and he'll just pay, instead of him trying to make the appt on the day off, etc..i never brought him grief or drama, so thats why im so lost. and i know for a fact he wasnt hung up on another or fooling around( saw into his email and facebook when he left it open,...why not? bc he changed my fb profile pic behind my back when i left mine open, to two monkeys humpin...o.O. he is silly! )
ummm the only other thing i know to share in my chart is that i have an aries moon, which i know helps push my readiness and impulse this and that lol, which i try to identify and keep cool, bc yes when i see somethin i want, i do go for it, even if its in the quietest of ways :3

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i'm inclined to agree that the leo/scorp combo doesn't work. i think perhaps we drain each other a bit. shame.

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when he told me the " head not my heart" thing i asked him, " what? for the entire time?" he then told me, no just for this getting his business together...i told him " for all the wonderful things you just told me i am, you would let me go??" after i short silence he said yes. someone told me that if there was hesitation, then it sounds like he wasnt sure...

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well, actually the anecdotal evidence you refer to seraph had a very compatible chart with mine and so i don't think it's a clear case of astrological balance between two people. it's also about life circumstances and the situations we find ourselves in outside of reltionships. this guy's pouring his passion into his business. personally, i would wish them a very happy future together and leave him to it!

sometimes it's one thing to say something like he did to you and totally different to actually follow it through. you don't know what you had til it's gone and all those other clich?s.

although there is another clich? that comes to mind...what the eye doesn't see, the heart can't grieve over...which is the opposite of the above i guess. go figure that one out!

basically, anything can happen and it generally does, lol.

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what is going on with dxp today!! multiple postings all over the place.

yeah..i forgot that you'd said about the need for constant communication. ewww!! that would be your aries moon. even scorps aren't that bad...aries on the other hand though..soooo demanding!!

at least the guy's being honest with you. how can he possibly have the time to build his empire if his woman demands more attention than his project? i'm a workaholic and i'm totally blinkered when i'm involved in a project. you have to be if you want to succeed. it's the ones that pander to their partners' whims that fall by the wayside. perhaps a break would be good for you too.

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Further, judging the success rate of a relationship purely by sun-sign is sheer folly. Consider the Moon placements, Venus, planetary aspects, etc. Some of these factors can easily override sun-sign considerations.

I agree, just not where leo/scorp is concerned, the sun signs overwhelm everything else when they get together. Just my opinion, would love to be proved wrong some day.

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Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s

Unsurprisingly, it would *really* help if both parties were astrologically-aware.
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True, True. I let it be known my interest in astrology early on and they are usually very interested in it all. It is a good way to stop and argument a;nd incite a discussion, you're being so virgo/libra/scorpy/pisces usually stumps them for a minute and cools things down 🙂

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lol no not CONSTANT contact. just the usual healthy dosage of well the usual daily to every other day?. for instance hed tell me good morning and good night and wish me a good day, or whatever...when that stopped, like only a week ago, thats when my antennea went up. and we are aware of eachothers sign stuff, but he doesnt know it as deeply as i do..
i will have to get my venus again...i forgot what it was o.O

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i dunno about being that open about interest in astrology. most people i know have absolutely no idea of what it's all about beyond what they read in the newspapers and so they tend to be cynical and look at you like you're a fruit loop. i usually ask for someone's birthday in a really devious way.

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lol no not CONSTANT contact. just the usual healthy dosage of well the usual daily to every other day?. for instance hed tell me good morning and good night and wish me a good day, or whatever...when that stopped, like only a week ago, thats when my antennea went up. and we are aware of eachothers sign stuff, but he doesnt know it as deeply as i do.. he is a leo in forms of the word, it seems. and so i know where, and where NOT to go with him. i have seen him with other people, and his employees, and although he is kind, he is not someones bad side i wanna be on, not that i walk around him in fear, gosh no! no reason, but i do respect him as a man, the man in the relationship and of course, as a lion :3 i did everything.,... his laundry, cleaned his home when i saw he didnt have time or was tight on moolah $ to get the maids to come in, RUBBED HIS FEET REGULARY( as i do with anyone im close to, like my mom or daughter), start his bath, ran food and coffee runs...allll wo him even having to ask. helped him paint for his already existing business, his friends all loved me to pieces, and his mom too, and he was just as giving in all of these "departments" to me as well. never fought or got ugly, just debate. but if i gave back talk or lip he'd mmmmm spank me once on the tail *SMACK✨ and say " dont u sass me woman"...prrrrrr... OOOOOOOkAYYYYY!!! haha lets get back to the advice lol...and help to actually answering my question 😉

i will have to get my venus again...i forgot what it was o.O

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oops...wrote this when i thought the first didnt go through lol...errrrmmmmm yeah PAY ATTENTION TO THE LATEST ONE of course 😛
and heeeeyyy ive been a gooood girl not to be demanding, bc i knoooow its not a go with a leo male. i have had to be creative in my ways. like instead of continuing to ask him abt why he may be moody, id ooffer him a grape sodee( grape soda) and his wooby (this blanket he forbids me to get to comfy with bc its oh so just right for him and only him...like linus off charlie brown)..and let him throw his feet on my lap before my butt even hits the couch. ( which i didnt mind bc hes not the person to ask anyone but those closest to him to do things for him..somethin i observed a long time ago with this fella). and he would accept, then be ok in just moments.
and yes i suppose i could use this break bc i too am working on my own business, so i understand not to throw feelings or demands on him that i would not want o be thrown onto me as i begin this venture. so i have been careful not tooooo how do you sayyyyyyy RIDE HIS NUTS. >.

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BTW thank you all for your input...i really am just kinda...sad. :/ i just wanna know if he will come back around to me. we are on fb together as "friends" lol, but since it is he that has made this decision, i am afraid to call or text ( i mean i still have prezzies from vday, and the upcoming Steak N BJ day march 14th (lol) and somethings of mine at his place i need, that i know he knows is still there...) i soooo want to of corse, i just dont want him to think im disrespecting his space. he said we needed to wait a bit.

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i dunno about being that open about interest in astrology. most people i know have absolutely no idea of what it's all about beyond what they read in the newspapers and so they tend to be cynical and look at you like you're a fruit loop. i usually ask for someone's birthday in a really devious way.

So far no problems, and no cynics, they all seem to be very interested once they realise its not about your daily horoscope 🙂 The current guy (Libra) is fascinated now. The only one I didn't share it with is an Aries - but we've had / have our rollercoaster and have other things to talk about when we are on - and nothing when we are off 😢 Shows in the compatibilty, leo/aries supposed to be great, unfortunately his aqua moon is too aloof for my cancer one, our venus and mars rocks though 🙂

My Scorpy friend is blown away by it all btw. If his kids have any problems with boyfriends etc. he'll ask about stuff along those lines - bless.

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elle: i have the phone allergy too. in fact all forms of communication i find difficult, talking especially when under the influence of alcohol! merc in scorp. doomed 😢

you have such shiney hair. i wanna touch it in a completely non-lesbian/fetishist kind of way. loved your twirl though. sad that's gone.

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heehee, yes seraph, i dig 🙂 also he is leo/cancer cusp, july 28, 1977. ok, so yeah i thought abt letting him have the quiet time, but i know leos can be quite outta sight outta mind also, soooooo i wanna take your word for it since you yourself are a leo male 😉 oh yeah..im 30, he is 34...the chart? lol ok, ill get that up and going lol..what is it were trying to look for here again?? (i stepped away for part of the day..keeping busy as you could imagine...sigh.) i guess maybe what i meant to say are leo men PRONE to coming back, especially if there was no drama or disresepct to bruise their ego and get that pride thing all flared up..
phone allergy? i can understand that...its just what im used to i suppose. im not trying tio keep tabs on him, as i feel he does not do it to me ( been there done that with uber clingy cancer male. ugh.)

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heehee, yes seraph, i dig 🙂 also he is leo/cancer cusp, july 28, 1977. ok, so yeah i thought abt letting him have the quiet time, but i know leos can be quite outta sight outta mind also, soooooo i wanna take your word for it since you yourself are a leo male 😉 oh yeah..im 30, he is 34...the chart? lol ok, ill get that up and going lol..what is it were trying to look for here again?? (i stepped away for part of the day..keeping busy as you could imagine...sigh.) i guess maybe what i meant to say are leo men PRONE to coming back, especially if there was no drama or disresepct to bruise their ego and get that pride thing all flared up..
phone allergy? i can understand that...its just what im used to i suppose. im not trying tio keep tabs on him, as i feel he does not do it to me ( been there done that with uber clingy cancer male. ugh.)

Leo/Cancer Cusp - you've got a couple of them on board here - I'm one, so is Seraph as far as I remember. From female point of view - yes I'm emotional etc. etc. but don't drown me in your emotions, i'll retreat, its the swing between sun and moon. I can be emo with you but if you give too much back i'm backing off - you will infringe on my independence. You did overwhelm him i'd say.

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Oh and btw, we're not particularly out of sight out of mind if we like you - if you overwhelm him he will need his space but if he likes you he will start to wonder where you are very quickly if you go silent. But don't forget, the ego.

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Busy day for me today, but there are some things that just jump out at me, and SCREAM things. I can't ignore screaming. Let's go through a few of them, see where they lead.

**which is constant communication ( such as over the phone when we are apart, to show me that we were still on board.**

You need CONSTANT communication? What are we talking about here? No one needs "constant" communication unless you're bringing a 747 in for a landing in gale-force winds. At night. With no radar. And your navigator is plastered.

**he told me that all he could think abt was getting this off the ground because it is something he MUST do, which is understandable bc he has been wanting this since before i came into his life, and have talked to me about throughout our relationship.**

Men and Work. Work is usually the mistress. And she's the jealous type. Accept this. Prepare for this in any relationship with a man. Especially a Leo. But this is also a good thing, for obvious reasons.

**when i expressed to him how i felt, gently and calmly, with some tears of course( bc duh, i realize the man i love is slipping away :.( )**

Not cool. Why you cryin' for, child? You falling apart is the last thing he needs to hear. If he needs time to focus on his work, give it to him. Otherwise, you know what your sobbing and blubbering is communicating to him? Smothering (and your unconscious - and hopefully not conscious - generating of guilt in him.) Don't push so hard. You want him to *want* you, not be *obliged* to want you.

I agree with this as well

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Busy day for me today, but there are some things that just jump out at me, and SCREAM things. I can't ignore screaming. Let's go through a few of them, see where they lead.

**which is constant communication ( such as over the phone when we are apart, to show me that we were still on board.**

You need CONSTANT communication? What are we talking about here? No one needs "constant" communication unless you're bringing a 747 in for a landing in gale-force winds. At night. With no radar. And your navigator is plastered.

**he told me that all he could think abt was getting this off the ground because it is something he MUST do, which is understandable bc he has been wanting this since before i came into his life, and have talked to me about throughout our relationship.**

Men and Work. Work is usually the mistress. And she's the jealous type. Accept this. Prepare for this in any relationship with a man. Especially a Leo. But this is also a good thing, for obvious reasons.

**when i expressed to him how i felt, gently and calmly, with some tears of course( bc duh, i realize the man i love is slipping away :.( )**

Not cool. Why you cryin' for, child? You falling apart is the last thing he needs to hear. If he needs time to focus on his work, give it to him. Otherwise, you know what your sobbing and blubbering is communicating to him? Smothering (and your unconscious - and hopefully not conscious - generating of guilt in him.) Don't push so hard. You want him to *want* you, not be *obliged* to want you.

I agree with this as well

ok, i understand. 🙂 but when i say i was tearing i wasnt blubbering lol, i knoooow yall see the typical raging, destroy- your -mothers- finest- china scorpio female, but...my words were words not sobs, but yeah the voice was shaky, and sniffy :/ trust me the last thing i wanted to do was freak him out, so i held back the hysterics..but even still, he was simply like, "i have to go". abrupt, but polite.
thank you so much for this insight
ill give him space keep busy and continue to post on my fb like usual when i have stuff going on, bc the last thing i wanna do is be in the dumps. yes i am a brooder, but not if i dont WANT or OPT to be...wasted energy that could be used on good tequila or dancing...erotically. with women. and glitter. but seriously, my artwork....

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TAH DAH!!!!! i present to you all.....Le' chart.

Rising Sign is in 19 Degrees Aquarius
You like new ideas and concepts, but you prefer to discover them by yourself -- it is not easy for others to convert you to anything. You form your own opinions, but once you do form them, you then want to convince everyone else that they are correct. Try to be more tolerant of the opinions of others. You have a deep and abiding interest in science, mathematics, and the great social problems of the day. Very sympathetic toward the downtrodden, equality is your battle cry! You demand that those in authority be fair to all. You are an intellectual -- emotions and emotional people are difficult for you to understand. You are known for being calm, cool, detached and objective.

Sun is in 27 Degrees Scorpio.
Intense and complex by nature, you have extremely strong emotional reactions to most situations. Feelings are often very difficult for you to verbalize. Therefore you have a tendency to be very quiet - - to brood and think a lot. You seldom get overtly angry, but, when you do, you are furious and unforgiving. When you make an emotional commitment, it is total -- you are not attracted to superficial or casual relationships. If you are challenged, you take it as a personal affront and tend to lash out and fight back in a vengeful manner. You love mysteries and the supernatural. A good detective, you love getting to the roots of problems and you enjoy finding out what makes other people tick. You are known to be very willful, very powerful and quite tenacious!

Moon is in 21 Degrees Aries.
High-spirited and courageous, you are a fighter when your emotions are aroused. The degree of force and drive that you can bring to any effort sometimes surprises others. You have hair-trigger reactions to specific stimuli and tend to "let it all hang out." You sometimes act before you think and do things on the spur of the moment, and that sometimes gets you into trouble. Your moods change quickly -- you have quite a temper, but you don't hold grudges. Very independent, with an extremely strong and forceful personality, you are known for being impulsive, careless, reckless, foolhardy, rash and daring.

Mercury is in 08 Degrees Scorpio.
You are a born investigator. You are fascinated by secrets and mysteries and unanswered questions of any kind. When you become upset or angry, your emotional reactions are overpowering -- reason and logic disappear in an uncontrollable

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passionate outburst. You tend to keep your thoughts secret and bottled up and this makes others regard you with suspicion. It is not that you are trying purposely to be evasive, it is just that you would rather not deal with the explosions and hassles that often occur when you reveal your true feelings and opinions. Your sense of humor tends toward sarcasm and irony.

Venus is in 24 Degrees Libra.
A very friendly and outgoing person, you hate to be alone. Beware of a continuing tendency to compromise yourself in order to avoid being lonely. Try to be yourself, not what others would like you to be. You have an innate desire to be in refined and elegant surroundings and will go out of your way to create a plush and comfortable atmosphere around you. You have heightened aesthetic sensibilities and are attracted to music and the arts. Try to avoid using your well-known seductive charm in order to get out of doing what you consider to be dirty work!

Mars is in 28 Degrees Sagittarius.
Your every action is motivated by high moral standards and ideals. You will work very hard to improve the lot of the world at large, but you demand action about it -- you do not like to just sit around and talk about doing it in an abstract manner. You like to be where the real action is. You resist mightily any attempts to limit your freedom and you will assist anyone who feels put down and restricted. You are extremely restless by nature -- physical exercise is very important to you if you would maintain your health.

Jupiter is in 04 Degrees Libra.
You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind. You are objective and quite concerned with fair play and justice. But, when it comes to yourself, you are so aware that whatever you do might upset the apple cart that you often choose to compromise rather than do anything that might make you lonely or vulnerable. Relationships are very important to you -- you learn about yourself and grow through observing yourself interacting with others. Your aesthetic tastes are refined, but expansive and expensive.

Saturn is in 06 Degrees Libra.
Although you take quite a while to make decisions, you usually consider all sides to a question, all the pros and cons, and the solution you come up with is very often the correct one. You tend to be very reserved and shy, but, once you make a commitment to someone (in either a business or personal

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relationship), the partnership is forever. You have a strong sense of justice and fair play and greatly respect the laws and institutions by which you are governed. As such, you are outraged when others break laws or show contempt for authority.

Uranus is in 25 Degrees Scorpio.
You, and your peer group, demand to confront life at its deepest and most meaningful levels. Very compulsive and obsessive in your approach to everything, you will avoid anything that is casual or superficial, especially when it comes to relationships. You will seek out and explore new methods of healing as well as different ways to deal with deep-seated emotional problems.

Neptune is in 21 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and your entire generation, are heavily involved in investigating and idealizing foreign and exotic intellectual systems and religious philosophies. The most extreme ideals will be pursued with gusto. You will be at the forefront of humanitarian attempts to improve the lot of those who are in need of assistance. You will be comfortable with the concept of the "global village."

Pluto is in 23 Degrees Libra.
For your entire generation, this is a time of radical changes in society's attitude toward marriage and interpersonal relationships. There is a general fear and awe at the power inherent in making emotional or contractual commitments -- they will not be entered into lightly.

N. Node is in 14 Degrees Leo.
You prefer to take the leadership role when it comes to dealing with others. You enjoy administering and organizing group activities. Others tend to listen to your suggestions because you aren't usually overly domineering or patronizing in your interactions. You love to entertain in a big way -- you're at your best when throwing a large and lavish party. Your popularity and social success are assured as long as you don't take others for granted -- resist the temptation to become snobbish and arrogant.

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Just be thankful for your sake that he will never come back.

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Just be thankful for your sake that he will never come back.

eh? i dont get it... i didnt act like a clown..what do you mean?

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Hi Freckles, have been mulling over your situation a bit and here's the way I "see" things from what you have described.

You and Leo seem to have had a good relationship - 8 months isn't that long and you were still in the first flush of romance. Then his project came up - give a Leo a project and they will run with it. I think he felt comfortable enough in the relationship that he could dive into his work - leo's are very driven and focused, it doesn't mean he forgot you, but trusted enough in what you had to be able to duck into work and fully focus on it. Then left of field, after only a short time of different type of contact between you, you came at him with this emotion and pretty much wanting to "have the talk", when all he really needed was to be allowed to get into work. You weren't forgotten - I'd say this freaked him a little bit, when I get focussed on work I expect to be able to do it, if someone came at me demanding attention and wanting to disucss the relationship (even calmly) I would wonder were we not on the same page and also why they can't see that I need to work. You should really have just let it go and see how things progressed, relationships change, especially from the first "need to communicate/text/call everyday". They settle down and each partner gets on with their separate lives. Him including you in his plans for his business showed that he wanted you interested - but not to the extent of demanding the type of attention you had been giving to each other. If you had left him to his work he would have been in touch with you, just not as usual, which in fact is better - rather than quantity of attention you would have got quality of attention.

I think nothing is lost here for the two of you, if you let him off I think he will come back to you. When he does, support his work efforts and don't demand his attention - just as he should support your life, but not make demands of it. Suggesting meeting up after work is finished for the day is fine, wanting to know why you're not getting the good morning/good night texts is not or even why the way you communicated in the past - things change and evolve, you need to not focus on the way things were and learn about they way things will be.

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heehee, yes seraph, i dig 🙂 also he is leo/cancer cusp, july 28, 1977. ok, so yeah i thought abt letting him have the quiet time, but i know leos can be quite outta sight outta mind also, soooooo i wanna take your word for it since you yourself are a leo male 😉 oh yeah..im 30, he is 34...the chart? lol ok, ill get that up and going lol..what is it were trying to look for here again?? (i stepped away for part of the day..keeping busy as you could imagine...sigh.) i guess maybe what i meant to say are leo men PRONE to coming back, especially if there was no drama or disresepct to bruise their ego and get that pride thing all flared up..
phone allergy? i can understand that...its just what im used to i suppose. im not trying tio keep tabs on him, as i feel he does not do it to me ( been there done that with uber clingy cancer male. ugh.)

Leo/Cancer Cusp - you've got a couple of them on board here - I'm one, so is Seraph as far as I remember.

I don't buy into the whole cusp-influence theory. I don't see how a First-Decan Leo, Sun-ruled and sun sub-ruled, would have anything to with the previous sun sign, especially when they not only have nothing at all in that sign, but (in my case) have barely any water all in their chart.

Those "feelings" we like to lay at the previous sign's doorstep, are actually all the *other* elements and features that *are* in our chart, interacting with one another.

There are no cusps between sun signs.
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My chart is made up of mostly Leo and Cancer so maybe i feel the cancer influence quite a lot.

But having said that, If I'm born on July 24 and cancer ends July 22/23 how can I not take on some of this influence?

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Sorry, didn't mean how can I not have it (if i don't want it) - I'm very good at deciding how to be something - I meant how is it possible to not have that influence reach and try to effect you when you are so close to it, especially cancer and leo as the two most influential stars there are (i think). But yes, I do look more at the decan and feel and understand the reflections, but I do feel the cancer moon very strongly, and being aware of it I can intellectually deal with the effects of it, being a practical and pragmatic leo.

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ell, thank you. if he comes, i will not take it as a chance to get revenge. i have to say this is my first break up wo it having to deal with a jerk, or abusive mate with an overload of emotions. so i am willing to see how this unfolds, as it wouldnt be re-unfolding from a dark place where a ton of forgiveness and crying and such would need to take place..like you said, we had a good relationship. fun, playful, spontaneous, and if something did come up, hed detour it with humor, and wed go on..bc him being able to make me laugh far outweighed how much i wanted to be pissed over something lame and trivial. i have to say, i have always been good at keeping my stormy emo moments at bay, and only aired out to the girlfriends...so this is really the first time he has ever dealt with any tears at all from me, so i am sure it may have freaked him out a little. i hope he will forgive me for it
Celti, you are right... i mean we didnt see eachother around the clock by, and when we did the energy and attention he gave to me goes beyond words.so i understand when you say quality vs quantity. when he told me he had to go off the ohone, i didnt begin to beg or anything i was just like ok...later on that evening i texted him, cordially letting him know i still had some things of him i need to give him prior to his decision...." like hey, just wanted to let ya know...blah blah bleep blah blah...whenevr youre ready" ... he texted back, " hell yes i want them...i would always love to see, but we need to wait a bit"....and i let it be...did i do good? o.O

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UPDATE: he just wrote me an email saying " thanks woman, you were fine. however i did get drunk to phil collins and burn all your sh*t. just kidding. your things are fine. youre f*cking amazing, holler at me if you need to pick them up... i just have to take care of my sh*t"
( oh..if i did not mention, he is very crass.. and its hard for me to keep a straight face with this man )

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Celti, you are right... i mean we didnt see eachother around the clock by, and when we did the energy and attention he gave to me goes beyond words.so i understand when you say quality vs quantity. when he told me he had to go off the ohone, i didnt begin to beg or anything i was just like ok...later on that evening i texted him, cordially letting him know i still had some things of him i need to give him prior to his decision...." like hey, just wanted to let ya know...blah blah bleep blah blah...whenevr youre ready" ... he texted back, " hell yes i want them...i would always love to see, but we need to wait a bit"....and i let it be...did i do good? o.O

Yeah, nothing wrong with suggesting he comes get his stuff back - but I wouldn't have, let him come looking for it. A communication is a communication - and one which says do you want your things back actually has a lot of emotion attached to it whatever way you word it.

So from my part I'm suggesting you cut all communication with him and if he texts/calls you no harm in answering but don't get into a long drawn out discussion about anything, just answer and end the conversation. I think you need time, never mind him, for a while to think about things, think about what you want from your life and the relationship. he's currently calling the shots - you take time don't let him be the one who decides "we need to wait a bit". Be the queen he wants to court back into his royal prescence.

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Posted by Freckles19
UPDATE: he just wrote me an email saying " thanks woman, you were fine. however i did get drunk to phil collins and burn all your sh*t. just kidding. your things are fine. youre f*cking amazing, holler at me if you need to pick them up... i just have to take care of my sh*t"
( oh..if i did not mention, he is very crass.. and its hard for me to keep a straight face with this man )

He's keeping you there on the hook - quite possible he really does want you, but don't let yourself be dangled with the odd compliment thrown to keep you where he wants you. Hope you did no reply to that text.

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celticlioness: this all smacks of d?j?? vue with my experience with the knobhead. i still can't work out the point in it though. why not just say what you have to say and be done with it? why all the long drawn out state of 'suspension'. my own experience would've been a whole lot less painful had he just told me what the fuck was going on rather than just stringing me along while he tended to his shit. is this something leos do? are they incapable of cutting to the chase when it's an emotional issue? is it cos they don't like to hurt people and so if they start ignoring them on occasion, they won't see they're hurting someone and so it concerns them less?

the man i was seeing was sensitive to the nth degree about others' feelings but the behaviour he displayed when it was over was completely incongruous with that which is why it continues to bug me 6 months on.

i would definately say cut all contact. it's hurtful and pointless to continue something which isn't giving you what you deserve...specially when up until now, it has been.

i think a classic leo dumping line is.....it's not you, it's me....but then they go on to make it feel like it was you all along.

bastards. irritatingly lovable bastards.

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celticlioness: this all smacks of d?j?? vue with my experience with the knobhead. i still can't work out the point in it though. why not just say what you have to say and be done with it? why all the long drawn out state of 'suspension'. my own experience would've been a whole lot less painful had he just told me what the fuck was going on rather than just stringing me along while he tended to his shit. is this something leos do? are they incapable of cutting to the chase when it's an emotional issue? is it cos they don't like to hurt people and so if they start ignoring them on occasion, they won't see they're hurting someone and so it concerns them less?

Don't think its a Leo thing - i'm very direct. I think its a man thing. Have been through this recently with an Aries, ffs just say wtf you have to say and answer a fecking direct question with a direct answer.

You might have a thing on the Leo not liking to hurt people though, coupled with being a man wouldn't that make him even more inclined to avoid the emotional issue?

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Posted by R1g0rM0rT1s
celticlioness:
i think a classic leo dumping line is.....it's not you, it's me....but then they go on to make it feel like it was you all along.

bastards. irritatingly lovable bastards.

Leo women and men are very different - so I can't say if this is a classic leo man dumping line - for me i'd be saying " it's not me it's you, you b@astard 🙂"

Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a Leo man for a while, just to experience it all!

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leo women are great. i have plenty of lioness gfs. you can always be sure they will tell it as they see it which is one of your best qualities....i guess you're right about it being a man thing generally. try as they might, they never seem to step fully up to the mark on the emotional plane of life. bless.

beware this behaviour from an aries though. i was messed about by one for almost 2 years....never knew where i stood...his ex was in and out of his life....most miserable 2 years ever...or so i thought until i married the fucker...then the misery came by the bucketload.

offset nicely with great sex but there's only so far that can take you! we made two fantastic kids though so not complaining 🙂

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Thanks, I love the scorpys too 🙂

Mr Aries - have not communicated with him since Jan - 14th Jan to be precise. My heart may be sad but my head knows its for the best - he really couldn't handle when I got very direct with him, so bounce 😢

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that's a real shame. it's not that long since you've had contact though although i imagine it feels a lot longer. mine was still with someone when i met him and although he dumped her at first for me, his conscience couldn't take it cos she'd 'done nothing wrong' in their relationship and so he went back to her. we were playing in a band together at the time and so had to keep seeing each other which i couldn't handle, so i went back to israel. while i was there, he sorted is head out and decided who he wanted. it was very much a rebound relationship from him point of view but we stayed together for almost 20 years despite a very messy, drawn out start. it took almost 2 years to start the relationship and 2 years to end it.

aries men get all wussy about expressing feelings or hearing you express yours. it's like it's just not manly enough for them to indulge that side of themselves. they're very stiff upper lip like that. they see being in love as being weak to a woman too...which adds to their avoidance practices.

i always think it's a good judge of a man's character to see how they are with their mothers. mine was rude, dominating and disrespectful and that's exactly how i wound up being treated.

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mind you...i was young when i met him and only had a passing interest in astrology and so i didn't know THIS at the time:

he has aries sun, gemini asc, gemini moon and gemini venus......LOL!!

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Yes it is a shame, like you I'm looking for someone who is strong and manly - he fit the bill nicely. I think an Aries is what I need, unfortunately this Aries was the one I wanted, a real challenge to the Leo in me.

Venus in Gemini - oh Foop. Not good.

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Yes it is a shame, like you I'm looking for someone who is strong and manly - he fit the bill nicely. I think an Aries is what I need, unfortunately this Aries was the one I wanted, a real challenge to the Leo in me.

Venus in Gemini - oh Foop. Not good.

can i ask what went wrong with you guys?

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oh such a long story - the bones of it: We met a year ago, though living in a small town had known of each other for longer but just a nod or wave here and there. We started to meet whenever we were out and there was a strong mutual attraction, we'd only kiss though but eventually we did spend the night together after a few months, then began this whole backwards/forwards thing - i'd think he wasn't interested, forget about him and then when we'd bump into each other again he'd come on strong, very possessive, would always make reference to anyone he saw me talking to, if another man approached me he'd stomp over staking his claim, which was easy as he's a big (sexy) man and well known in our town so they'd know to back off, but I never gave into him again as I figured he was only after casual sex - it was a very confusing time for me as i never knew where I stood and when I asked him if he didn't want to continue this he would never answer but if I asked him if he did he'd say things like "slowly" or "yes, soon". During that time we also each had a short term relationship with other people - me in an attempt to forget about him. Then last november he changed, started communicating more, his friends saying he was so keen blah blah, i didn't take it seriously but he stepped it up sending kisses and hugs via text which he never did before, saying he missed me when away, so we got together for a while - great talks, great company, great sex 🙂 really seemed to be getting somewhere, but he disappeared off again after a while. So when he texted me in january, having not heard from him for over a week to say he'd be around later - i kindof called him on it and said i thought he was off chasing other women - oh my he got offended, we had words, he went silent, I told him he was rude and cruel with silence and that's that, no communication since. Problem is during that time I went and fell for him, so now I'm broken hearted - probably adding to my current lonlieness. I've a nice casual relationship currently with another guy since end of january, which I know i'm doing because i'm in need of someone at the moment, but it really isn't distracting me so i probably should let it go and get over this on my own.

had to text the Aries last night for work purposes - he replied which I wasnt sure he would - i gave my answer back and ended with hope your keeping well (trying to not have ill feeling between us) but it makes me feel worse this morning now 😢

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..Hopefully the distance will strengthen what seemed to be something two ppl were workin on rather than it fizzling. i recall some of his last words to me were like " im doin this bc i dont want what we have, whatever it is, which is amazing and dynamite, to become twisted. and i dont want u to resent me bc im not able to be around as much...and im twisting it by makin you feel bad, and i dont want that for us.".. anywho, just some extra insight and background

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Right on...im lost w the aries stuff though..anywho, yes i have considered he may be keepin me on a hook. blahh. so weird. i was invited by him to meet his mother, and i did during these past holidays, and afterwards, and he was as affectionate and playful to me w her around as he would be if she werent. btw, he treats his mother like a queen and they get along so well. she has trouble getting him on the phone, as close as they are. he was also very loving and attentive even out when we were out w his friends...even if i was the only girl in the pack that night. he has told me he loves me, and told me that he hopes he is as good to me, as i was to him.just the week before v- day, which was heaven in itself. soooo thats kinda why i was jaw dropped at out "parting"...bc after all this i was sure we were solid, or heading there for sure anyway. so i get him not wanting to see me hurt, esp. by his own "hand", bc even now im havin trouble thinkin i was just a fling for him...soooo...

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freckles. you have to let it go. if he comes back to you then it will be for the right reasons and if not, you have your answer and although it might be hard to swallow...and i'm speaking from personal experience...it's sometimes less painful just to let go than it is to give in to that fear of losing him if he's left alone for long enough cos that leads to texts, emails, calls and shit when what you really need right now is absolutely no contact at all.

you have to at least consider that your relationship with him as it was, is now over. if you move forward together, the basis of your relationship has to change. it's just not possible to switch from one mode to another overnight and so it's crucial you have time apart. he may not want that as he'll want reassurance you're there if and when he decides he wants to 'resume' your relationship but that is just not acceptable from your point of view.

deal with what you know and not what you assume. you're unhappy and you don't know where you stand. you need clarity not just from him but for yourself and the only way to get a clear perspective is from a distance and so you have to force that distance between you and cut contact.

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yes...one day at a time 😉