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(I hope)

How does one get rid of a Lib/Scorp male if they're in the push-pull dynamics?
Like a let go come here, go there scoot off thing?

That scorpio clawy manipulativeness and that Libra clinginess?

The terror that is being libra-scorpio. I think they are the most miserable beings on earth, man!
You know, like taking a knife to slice off the emotional connectiveness for a clean cut without the fuzz?

Also, is there truth that Libra males (in relationships) tend to speak in codes. Like verbal speak is sacred or something.
I read about a married Libra male still having communication problems with the wife. Seems like this is a prevalent thing.

thoughts?
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Nah, he's not violent, he's all heart, but a very confused person. It's like he wants everything all at once and nothing.

His words can span a zillion spheres. You can look at it from three-four angles and they make sense.

His intuition is over the top, but he cant read other people for sh*t. He is way too compassionate for all the wrong reasons and mean for the wrong reasons too.

I am nothing like him. I am so clear cut, he's all over the place.

"He is extremely intuitive with what you are thinking so keep your mind free of deceit."
Spot on! My mind is seldom or never full of deceit, so there isn't anything really to hide.

But he's the hider, not me. Uh yes, master manipulator, he's terribly smart, I think 10x more than me.


"reject him entirely like dont give him the time or day at all you have to act like you never met them so his libra side wont get clingy and the scorpio cant manipulate, but that my opinion"

Nah, that ain't easy, man. There's a thing as invisible psychic waves. He's very persistent. But he's more psychic than physical.


I don't really want to get rid of him, just back to where there was only platonism -- ah, that was bliss.
Seriosly, Lib/Scorps so messed up. And he's just not doing anything about it. Like hangin' in the air.


Oh, and did I forget to say he doesn't like to speak verbal words? He likes to do signals, you know like those alien terrestrial things or traffic lights?
I thought he was an anomaly, but I read other peoples journals and I suppose Libra men are like that.

Oh no.. (foreboding)
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express it the way a libra would express it. tell him that even though you care about him, you see that you two just aren't compatible, that you need something he can't give you and he apparently needs something you can't give him. etc.

but you have to believe it 100% before you say it, because he will know if you don't mean it.

and you can't be friends. i'm sorry. you can't unring a bell.
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express it the way a libra would express it. tell him that even though you care about him, you see that you two just aren't compatible, that you need something he can't give you and he apparently needs something you can't give him. etc.

but you have to believe it 100% before you say it, because he will know if you don't mean it.

and you can't be friends. i'm sorry. you can't unring a bell.



I don't really want to get rid of him; he's pretty integral in my life already..
I just want to get rid of the misery associated with being on that ship in the tumultous torrent

and that just means de3taching even more. Sometimes I wish I were Aquarius for this reason.

And you might not believe it but he doesn't want to talk.
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why is it libras don't get on with scorpios and vice versa? I never really noticed...gosh..

but this is SO true with my mum who is a libra and my poor aunt who is a scorpio. My mother is a wonderful woman, yes, but she's so harsh and judgemental sometimes...it makes me in fear of her judgment at times. So strong and fierce and yet so, very dependent... and my poor aunt. My poor aunt has lost a child (my cousin) in an accident, and my cousin is the most beautiful little human being ever. My grandparents think that i'm their best/favourite, but they have always considered her top contender next to me. Because she was just a cheerful child with no malice, you can tell...
and my aunt, she's not the best person in terms of her life because she's had a tough upbringing. She gambles alot and is considered a terrible gambler, and has lost her capricorn husband (my uncle) because of her infidelities and gambling. My libra mother was generous and let her borrow alot of money, but each time, she was disapointed of my scorpio aunt's ways. And now my scorpio aunt has diabetes and is alone, and her only children hate her, because of her gambling and infidelities. But all I could think of, when i think of my poor aunt is how sad/tragic her life is, and how much suffering she has gone through. Yes, she brought in a lot of the stuff on herself, but everytime her name is brought up, i can feel the disgustedness from my libra mother. How disapointed she is in scorpio aunt and how she broke her capricorn's brother's heart, and how she never pays back the thousands she owes. Still, it doesnt stop me from thinking how tragic my scorpio aunt's life is, and how beautiful she is to me, somewhere in that lost soul of hers. And I try to tell my mother that she cant hold grudges (after all, my mother is libra/taurus), and let it go, and that money isn't everything. But it's just that she can't help but be disgusted at the unpeaceful, unharmonious life my scorpio aunt has gone through.



You remind me so much of my Aqua teacher. She's always at Libra's throat for being judgemental and harsh but honestly we don't see it that way. IMO there's nothing more judgemental than an Aquarius. The fact that Aqua decides to be nice regardless and have sympathy regardless shows me they put the judgement on the backburner (that means they judge but just dont show it). Also, Aqua can't determin
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You remind me so much of my Aqua teacher. She's always at Libra's throat for being judgemental and harsh but honestly we don't see it that way. IMO there's nothing more judgemental than an Aquarius. The fact that Aqua decides to be nice regardless and have sympathy regardless shows me they put the judgement on the backburner (that means they judge but just dont show it). Also, Aqua can't determine bad from good (maybe what you call faulty judgement). This is quite detrimental, because its essential to actually make good judgements for the good of all.

Libra is similar, but they weigh things more on the surface, so it comes across as judgemental. But thing is, after that judgement, Libra will usually ALSO decide to treat the person they judge well. Seriously, thats the beef aqua have with libras.. as if judgement is such a sin. I think everyone judges another - but the Libra makes the best judgement. Plus, their judgment is usually subtle, and I'm confused as to why and how Aqua always pick it out.
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Btw, Valeria, suspending judgment can have repercussions. For instance, I used to ask my Aqua teach for advice and some of them were faulty, just because she suspended judgment on people.. Making judgments doesn't mean they will act accordingly... usually after making a judgment, the libra can act more fairly.. its not a means to persecute anyone, but to gauge how best to be fair to everyone.. and also whether they should go or leave.
My scorp mum is also judgmental, but you hardly hear of it.
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Okay, thing is with Aquas are that they try to control how libra should think and act according to their guidelines basically. Why do you say your mum should do this and that? Why can't she be herself? Afterall, she let you be yourself.
You choose to see good in your scorpio aunt, that's that. Your mum chose not to. You forgive your aunt for her choices, but persecute your mum for not doing so? Now thats double standards towards librah.
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Valeria, I'm just saying there are times when judgment is necessary. For instance, catching a criminal. If an Aqua's on the case, they probably could never truly identify a criminal. They empathise so much especially with the mentally ill that they SEE it as normal. or something. An aqua'll prolly befriend a serial killer becase he/she acknowledges the humanity behind that criminal.

And aqua are so controlling.. is that a lesser sin than being judgmental?
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^^ You're telling her not to do something, that emits from her own thoughts. That is control! It's not even a suggestion. You feel so strongly that your mother shouldn't do what she did. And that's not even a logical reason, at least from a preferential POV. People are entitled to whether they should like or dislike another! To tell another that their thoughts are wrong is a control. Who knows maybe its due to her own preference, or what she hates in herself? It may not even stem from your aunt being scorpio. Or that aunt may have offended her in some way also.

No, I'm not sayin just because you'r e an Aqua you identify with the mentally ill. It's not meant as an insult in the sense that Aquas are insane.
What I mean is that Aqua can see the humanity behind the mentall ill and therefore understand their thoughts alot better than other signs tend to do.
Why do you now judge that a criminal should be put behind bars - what about the other redeeming things he/she did?
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Wow. LOL i dont know what you're trying to do, but if you're suggesting that I should leave my mother alone in her negative thoughts about my aunt, and just listen and listen and be complacent, so she can have hate then, that's just silly. Maybe if I were a more passive doormat daughter. But I'm NOT. She wanted my input, so I gave her some; my mother doesn't have to take my advise. She takes it into consideration and weighs it. That's all.

Uh. I dont think so, about mentally insane. LOL Those types of people who are criminals and mentally insane are SCARY!!!

Redeeming qualities of a serial killer/mentally insane? OMG...you can't compare that to another human being who has just serious problems in their lives. I'm not a psychiatrist. I dont think I can handle those types of people, because they could probably manipulative me and I dont like being manipulated. I heard/read that these types are very VERY intelligent and have super high I.Q.s and use that intelligence to manipulate the weak and the very sweet souls.
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I dont think she'll take your advice though. What she feels are what she feels. You cannot change a feeling. Its just like if you hate cucumbers and your mum tells you to like it because it is good for complexion yada yada, woud you *change* your preference to suit her advise? No, a taste is a taste. Its just like Aqua, who will get more and more rebellious when someone tells them what to do, they will *not* do it because they want to show them they have the free will to do whatever they just please!
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I actually wholeheartedly disagree with you; My boyfriend is a libra, and he's one of the harshest people I know. It's the only thing we ever fight about, is the fact that he's so harsh about people. He uses words that are unnecessarily harsh in terms of people who don't deserve it, he downs on people for the way they look all the time, and he picks at me for not seeing his point of view. I don't see how you failed to notice just how judgemental Libras are, because I sure haven't.
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I've never really thought judgmentalism was a sin; You judge people all the time, judge things. This is *how* you make a decision everyday. People dont realise how much they judge things. Even forming words require a certain judgment.
Regarding the harsh words, that could be a way to boost an ego, because, villification of superiority vs inferiority can push up someones' sense of self.

There's also a difference between a harsh word or thought and the concurrent treatment of the vilified. Sometimes, a harsh word is to let off steam, but the eventual treatment of the said person may be smooth because the libra has accepted the person.

Plus, I dont think its all about him too, there are many many piscean idiosyncracies that you chose to omit.
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"Are you kidding? I take ALOT of advise from her. She is the one woman who helps me with tips on beauty and how to be a good person, and how others will see you. Yes, I do have rebellious streaks, but ONLY if someone is trying to control me, in a BAD way. My libra mother ALWAYS has good intentions for me, so her advise is mostly golden"

You sound so darn angry! Boy being a mother is hard *trying to imagine what its like having an aqua daughter*. Not easy, man! Lol!!!
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our society is hella sick.. based on lies and fakeness..
doesn't seem to bother people that much..

*shuts it in front of the baws*
*kisses some asses till he gets to the top*

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if you're "functional" in a sick society..
how would you behave in a sane one ?

(where there wouldn't be so much mental gymnastics..)



This was such a true and depressing statement, wtf!
Society's pretty ill, mostly propagated by advertising I think. image and sex.
those are the social problems. power and money too.

Functional in a sick society, and sane one? You can live in both. The sane one you can create for yourself, anytime and anywhere. Libra tends to live in this pretty bubble, that may be popped by others, but only if they're sucked in way too much.

there are alot of sane people in a sickish world. You just need to learn to identify the good eggs. because what is apparent may be just a mirage.

There isnt such a thing as a sane society, if you mean 'perfect world'. But I think the closest to it would be animals, nature and aloneness.
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^ That explains it.. is there a way to true happiness or relationship?
Or will it forever be turbulent after the peace (because the scorpio side need to invoke those intense emotions, if not in self then in others?)

This thing between libra and scorpio can blind the native towards what is good and what is bad. ie, they hurt the goodie people and then they are good to the bad ones. Its all who they identify with at the time of commencement..

Like they may be easiest to manipulate because when somene's too good, they balance by invoking the bad side, when someone's bad, they then unleash their good side?

I think I am getting warmer to this puzzle of miseryhooks 😢
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Yes, but I dont use stuff like that for my own advantage.. but I know alot who do (and will)

Yes, very cool, but not cool in a relationship, yo. Must be honest..
I'm a Libra III, cusp of theatre. I can understand that cusp of criticism side but am wondering if it can be resolved.

Because I dont like going through the sh*t of currents, but can detach alot.

Im just wondering what is the best match for this one.. seems like they do best alone in life, and have like plenty friends and an untarnished romance that involves no barriers of come-go!
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Like they may be easiest to manipulate because when somene's too good, they balance by invoking the bad side, when someone's bad, they then unleash their good side?



I used to be nice to some scorpio..
because she was "evil" and I wanted to see the other side..
I had to "work" for this..

but this was draining on the RL..
so, I decided to ignore her..

the thing is..
she likes me better when I am indifferent to her..
because she has to work.. to invoke the caring side..

now..
I know where the attraction was coming from..
both interested in the process, not the outcome..
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Ya scorpios tend to like this for some reason...
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no no no 😢😢 lol
has more to do with pisces dual nature..

libra/scorpio will never figure a pisces out..
pisces is a constant mystery..
there's always be sthg to discover.. he/she'll never be bored..

same goes for the libra/scorpio..



But the lib/scorp in my life dont like pisceans, not sure why? (or maybe secretly like..)
btw, geminis are more of a constant mystery also right?

pisceans are way too kind, imo, unless they have gem influence, then they're a tough nut to crack even for themselves.
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no no no 😢😢 lol
has more to do with pisces dual nature..

libra/scorpio will never figure a pisces out..
pisces is a constant mystery..
there's always be sthg to discover.. he/she'll never be bored..

same goes for the libra/scorpio..



Ohh, or you can try mercury in pisces.. those peeps can fool the lib/scorp. I understand now. Thank you for your enlightenment.
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Valeria, I'm just saying there are times when judgment is necessary. For instance, catching a criminal. If an Aqua's on the case, they probably could never truly identify a criminal. They empathise so much especially with the mentally ill that they SEE it as normal. or something. An aqua'll prolly befriend a serial killer becase he/she acknowledges the humanity behind that criminal.



Scarily true, unfortunately. Experienced it first hand when someone close had a breakdown.

Took me 2 days to notice anything was wrong, and not because I was neglectful in any way.

It wasn't that I saw the person's actions as normal, it is just that due to the fact that I frequently and habitually behave in an unhinged manner myself (relieves anger and stress), what the person was doing didn't seem like such a big deal at the time.

They're all right now, though...

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Wow, some pretty deep thoughts in this here thread. How comes I ain't met many libras in real life?

It's like cancers, saggis, libras and geminis are just so rare and THREE of these signs I'm supposed to be really compatible with.

WTF? (No, no, not you, wtf, wtf as in the abbreviated QUESTION lol)

Actually... there's my libra half brother who I'm not really close to.

Which one's the cusp, anyway Oct 22 or 23? 'Cos I couldn't stand big bro back in the day because he acted like a little elitist sh**.

You know, he had this cold way of judging. Like my libra aunt. You know, where it's OBVIOUS that the screws were turning behind their eyes lol

Now he's found God and that's killed off any chance of closeness lol
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Wow, some pretty deep thoughts in this here thread. How comes I ain't met many libras in real life?

It's like cancers, saggis, libras and geminis are just so rare and THREE of these signs I'm supposed to be really compatible with.

WTF? (No, no, not you, wtf, wtf as in the abbreviated QUESTION lol)

Actually... there's my libra half brother who I'm not really close to.

Which one's the cusp, anyway Oct 22 or 23? 'Cos I couldn't stand big bro back in the day because he acted like a little elitist sh**.

You know, he had this cold way of judging. Like my libra aunt. You know, where it's OBVIOUS that the screws were turning behind their eyes lol

Now he's found God and that's killed off any chance of closeness lol



There are lots of libs in real life. You probably havent met one bc they're not your karma yet. That means there isnt very much you got to learn from them, or something like that..
The lib/scorp cusp (libras) extend from oct 19 to oct 23..
Cold way of judging? You know I can say the same for the aquarian ladies I call my friends? I find that aquas tend to judge their friends very harshly.. even though they try to hide it.. I cant help feeling judged by the aquarian friends I come into contact with.
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For you, yes. but gross. For myself, I have this intuitive inner bell that rings off like i can see their auras, and I know, I should stay away from those types. When I read the papers on anyone who is mentally insane (I,e. the old man who raped his daughter continously and kept her locked up in a basement, living in Austria) that is just sick! How does one feel sympathy for such disgusting acts? He has done this for YEARS. Knowing that he has manipulated, controlled, abused, took away someone's freedom, ect and there are people who FEEL sympathy? I only feel sympathy for the WOMAN/daughter who was suffering.
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thats a judgment, but only for such a serious crime?

I find the aquas way of suspending judgment until its too late very scary in itself.
thats what my aqua teacher did, and though I dont blame her judgment, I hesitate to ask her for anymore advice..
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I'm starting to think its a fixed sign thing.


awww come on, wtf, youre way smarter than that. LOL I said that ALOT, because the ones i met were mean and controlling. 😢 I think they used their "mental powers" for bad, and to controll others. Look at the FAMOUS libra guy Aleister Crowley. I was SHOCKED when I found out he was a Libra. And he used his "good" for bad??
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Actually, Valeria, I think its highly unfair when you insult someone's intelligence to get them to agree with you. And your statement right here was downright manipulative. You may use it unconsciously, but thats the high art of verbal manipulation I have discovered used socially. You dont bring out a worst case example of an infamous Libra to support your point. That is not only far out, its illogical as well. Maybe if you bring in Aquarian serial killers then the argument may be balanced.