The softer approach

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Farm territory. Hunters paradise. I've seen animals get butchered, I still eat them. Crusade all you like, it's admirable in its way. Eat what you like, don't eat what you don't care too. Makes no difference to me. Nor does it change the fact that the cutie pie in the wellies will be 250-300 lbs. of delicious on the hoof in several months. All the shock vids in the world won't keep me from tucking into glazed ham and rolling my eyes in ecstasy. Have a tremendous ( and carrot laden ) day. 🙂
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Actually I am being quite serious. I was raised in part on my mothers farm. My father hunts. I've seen animals get slaughtered. I have helped in cleaning up afterwards, cutting up bits and pieces. Plucking chickens, et al. I have witnessed rabbits screaming like a woman getting poleaxed. High strung from the scent of blood and death in the air. All manner of beast. Do I tremble in joy witnessing an animals demise? No. Does it stop me from eating a pork chop, or a lovely bit of fried rabbit, tucking into a damned fine venison roast? No.
If you want to come down to brass tacks anything eaten was alive once, even on a rudimentary cellular level. Protein is a necessary fuel to feed the building blocks of our body. Yes it can be sustained from things such as legumes, tofu, alternate sources, however. It is utterly a personal choice whether or not to be raw, vegan, etc. If that's your choice it's absolutely fine. I wonder though why you feel it necessary to make post after post. Eat your Kashi, your flax, your quinoa, your brown rice 'meatloaf', your Morning Star sausage patties and feel alright ducks with the world. I see no problem with your choice. The only issue I have is with you ramming it down everyones throat.
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Posted by venusianbull
Actually I am being quite serious. I was raised in part on my mothers farm. My father hunts. I've seen animals get slaughtered. I have helped in cleaning up afterwards, cutting up bits and pieces. Plucking chickens, et al. I have witnessed rabbits screaming like a woman getting poleaxed. High strung from the scent of blood and death in the air. All manner of beast. Do I tremble in joy witnessing an animals demise? No. Does it stop me from eating a pork chop, or a lovely bit of fried rabbit, tucking into a damned fine venison roast? No.
If you want to come down to brass tacks anything eaten was alive once, even on a rudimentary cellular level. Protein is a necessary fuel to feed the building blocks of our body. Yes it can be sustained from things such as legumes, tofu, alternate sources, however. It is utterly a personal choice whether or not to be raw, vegan, etc. If that's your choice it's absolutely fine. I wonder though why you feel it necessary to make post after post. Eat your Kashi, your flax, your quinoa, your brown rice 'meatloaf', your Morning Star sausage patties and feel alright ducks with the world. I see no problem with your choice. The only issue I have is with you ramming it down everyones throat.




I'm not ramming it down anyone's throat. You chose to read my post and respond. And morning star farm uses eggs, so I don't eat that 😉

You've numbed yourself to the suffering you and your family has caused other creatures. That's fine, not the way I would live-but God gave everyone free will.


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@tryandguess

Okay, now I'm being serious and asking ... not to debate you, or begin a debate because I truly am trying to understand what you are saying and your beliefs. Now you have slung out quite a few times that the majority of us are dumb, ill informed, and among other words misguided. Asking questions such as these, informs, therefore spreads knowledge. And I ask because at first it seemed you were saying all of this because no person should kill or eat animals. But then I'm reading that you feel its because of what it can do to the human body, and causes, etc. I have vegan friends, BUT some dont eat meat because the feel its inhumane where other friends dont eat meat because they dont feel its good for the human body.

So

A) You don't eat meat because you dont like the way animals are fed, raised, and killed all in the process to supply markets, etc?

vs

B) You dont eat meat because you feel NO animal should die by means of 'human hand' no matter what.


C) If an animal died of natural reasons, do you find it okay then for human consumption? For people to eat it then would be okay?

D) What are your thoughts on over populations of animals, more specifically what would be deemed live stock, farm animals, bear, deer, wild turkeys and chickens, wolves, etc. What are your thoughts if they become overly populated, to manage it or not manage it?

E) Do you believe it is okay to kill an animal if it is going to harm you? Cougar, bear, wolf, dog, etc.
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Posted by OceanDeep
@tryandguess

Okay, now I'm being serious and asking ... not to debate you, or begin a debate because I truly am trying to understand what you are saying and your beliefs. Now you have slung out quite a few times that the majority of us are dumb, ill informed, and among other words misguided. Asking questions such as these, informs, therefore spreads knowledge. And I ask because at first it seemed you were saying all of this because no person should kill or eat animals. But then I'm reading that you feel its because of what it can do to the human body, and causes, etc. I have vegan friends, BUT some dont eat meat because the feel its inhumane where other
A) You don't eat meat because you dont like the way animals are fed, raised, and killed all in the process to supply markets, etc?

vs

B) You dont eat meat because you feel NO animal should die by means of 'human hand' no matter what.


C) If an animal died of natural reasons, do you find it okay then for human consumption? For people to eat it then would be okay?

D) What are your thoughts on over populations of animals, more specifically what would be deemed live stock, farm animals, bear, deer, wild turkeys and chickens, wolves, etc. What are your thoughts if they become overly populated, to manage it or not manage it?

E) Do you believe it is okay to kill an animal if it is going to harm you? Cougar, bear, wolf, dog, etc.





I don't eat meat because my body is not a graveyard. It's not only unhealthy, but contributes to the suffering of millions of creatures.

If an animal was hard core suffering because of an illness then I might be for putting it out of it's pain- but I feel the same way about humans.

Don't manage.

If an animal or human was trying to harm me, I would do everything in my power to get away.
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@tryandguess

Okay, now I'm being serious and asking ... not to debate you, or begin a debate because I truly am trying to understand what you are saying and your beliefs. Now you have slung out quite a few times that the majority of us are dumb, ill informed, and among other words misguided. Asking questions such as these, informs, therefore spreads knowledge. And I ask because at first it seemed you were saying all of this because no person should kill or eat animals. But then I'm reading that you feel its because of what it can do to the human body, and causes, etc. I have vegan friends, BUT some dont eat meat because the feel its inhumane where other
A) You don't eat meat because you dont like the way animals are fed, raised, and killed all in the process to supply markets, etc?

vs

B) You dont eat meat because you feel NO animal should die by means of 'human hand' no matter what.


C) If an animal died of natural reasons, do you find it okay then for human consumption? For people to eat it then would be okay?

D) What are your thoughts on over populations of animals, more specifically what would be deemed live stock, farm animals, bear, deer, wild turkeys and chickens, wolves, etc. What are your thoughts if they become overly populated, to manage it or not manage it?

E) Do you believe it is okay to kill an animal if it is going to harm you? Cougar, bear, wolf, dog, etc.





I don't eat meat because my body is not a graveyard. It's not only unhealthy, but contributes to the suffering of millions of creatures.

If an animal was hard core suffering because of an illness then I might be for putting it out of it's pain- but I feel the same way about humans.

Don't manage.

If an animal or human was trying to harm me, I would do everything in my power to get away.
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Thank you for answering. I understand your views better.
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The bible is
1.
existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).
2.
pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3.
placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
4.
Philosophy . relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing i
5.
relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.

What you think of the bible and what YOU interpret doesn't make it correct. The Bible is one of the most misunderstood pieces of literature in the world. Hence, making it subjective and an invalid use of evidence.
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Your copy and paste abilities are 5 star, if you watched the video before opening your vile pork flap you would understand that it is 100% about how the bible is misunderstood, but historical evidence can actually back up certain aspects.