generational fears

Neptune is a planet (dreams/illusions/fantasy) that's just as 'negative' as Saturn (fears/restrictions)

but they must be the 2 faces of the same coin (also explains cap/pisces connection if that's what you're into)



coz fear has to be a perversion of a dream

take note of Neptune through generations:

after reading through 50s horror comics, let's just say that i'm now a certified expert at killing my spouse whether it's a bomb in a cake or poison in wine for our anniversary. makes sense coz 50s culture was so obsessed with pairing up or being in a couple. and you're considered 'old' when you don't have a boyfriend at 20. understanding this generation's fear (maricide) gives you a clue to its generational dream and no wonder coz Neptune was in Libra for them. It was a generation in love with love and society. they can afford that fantasy-dream-illusion.

coz the generation that came before them won their war (Neptune in Virgo) and as we know, Virgo is associated with order, duty, service and this generation naturally produced many war heroes with strong Virgo influence. it was a time when sacrifices were made. and when sacrificing yourself was idealized, elevated to the highest honor. we'll see the mark of Virgo energy again in the 60s when Pluto is in Virgo with a string of assassinations of men turned martyrs for their ideals. idealism that it shares with its polarity Pisces, only that Virgo thinks that there can be a perfect world, a better world than now. and that generation had to face its fear in the dirty trenches, the chaos of war.... the natural fears of the tidy, ordered world of Virgo. but a funny thing, that's the time when organized crime became a HUGE thing too coz that's the only type of crime Virgo can get into..... organized. also many a Virgo are mobsters- faces of the same coin. the shadow side of Virgo is its mutable nature- that they can live double lives.

and things were ripe for change in the 60s coz of Neptune in Scorpio (think phoenix themes of transformation-rebirth). this was the time not only of sexual awakening but a time when people can take a break from the ideals of the previous Neptune in Libra society. the generation's dream was to break away from being told what to do (dominated by old, stagnant power in contrast to their Taurus polarity) and their greatest fear was to be silenced (in connection to Scorpios being whistle-blowers).

the Neptune in Sag generation that comes after that will of course embrace multiculturalism, a world with a little bit of everything- themes of Jupiterian expansion. when you go to India and get a spiritual awakening like Brad Pitt and act all depressed on your couch even though you have a lot of money from a lifetime of being a stingy miser. you'll notice horror movies where a serial killer stalks friends of various MBTI personality types, preventing them from enjoying their camping trip-vacation-spiritual journey. cuts their tires to prevent them from mobilizing (one of Sag great fears other than spending money on anyone).

and what comes after that is Neptune in Capricorn which is synonymous to dreams of ruthless power. covering the 80s- themes of greed is good. ambitions-leaders-entrepreneurs. and a lot of their horror movies touch on power struggles maybe even disguised as action movies, cluing us into the nature of Capricorn fears.

then of course there's the revolutionary Neptune in Aquarius and you can see that with what's happening right now.

Neptune in Libra providing educational, instructional videos on how to conduct yourself in relationships (romantic/societal)

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Posted by xy_sigh

I'm afraid to die before I fulfill my humanitarian work and leave that legacy for my kid.

Neptune in cap.

my neptune is in the 5th so i have personal fears associated with issues of that house

what house is yours?

Neptune in Virgo (of mobsters and war heroes- mutable double nature)





(fittingly, Mad Jack was a Virgo)

Neptune in Scorpio (transformation)

Posted by Antiphates

hmm wonder where Neptune was in the time of Jesus

and why that was a period of many prophets

You go into such specific details on stuff. Lmao. Your Pisces bits at work! 😂😂😂

Posted by GODZ

but real pluto in scorpio people dont fear anything we are already dead

tbh it's easier to define a generation by their Neptune than their Pluto

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Posted by virgoOPPP

Posted by xy_sigh

I'm afraid to die before I fulfill my humanitarian work and leave that legacy for my kid.

Neptune in cap.

my neptune is in the 5th so i have personal fears associated with issues of that house

what house is yours?

Interesting mine is in cap in the 4th. That makes sense why im always worried about family even though i hardly see em or talk to em

Nice profile pic btw virgoop

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this looks exactly like the kitten i adopted

that plays cute but he likes only look, no touch lol

Posted by Aqua-Marine

Wow did you do this research yourself? Really good and thought out.Very interesting.. It makes a lot of sense though. I always wondered if having Neptune in Aquarius is why so many people of this generation are liberal a super progressive.

Neptune is in Pisces currently I wonder what that could mean.

what does Pisces fear?

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Posted by Aqua-Marine

Wow did you do this research yourself? Really good and thought out.Very interesting.. It makes a lot of sense though. I always wondered if having Neptune in Aquarius is why so many people of this generation are liberal a super progressive.

Neptune is in Pisces currently I wonder what that could mean.

what does Pisces fear?

That’s a good question. Im not completely sure. Pisces/Neptune is illusions, escapism, the unknown, the subconscious. I feel like they can fear many things because their imagination can go to many places. Maybe fear facing reality is one of them. Not being able to paint the world how they want. If that’s true than maybe Pisces generation fears facing reality? Lol I don’t know if that would make sense

I know my fears revolve around this but Im not sure if this is typically Pisces fears.

I think Pisces moon can have a better perspective on this because moon is security, needs, and desires. So maybe you have a better perspective?

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if that's the case then i'd guess the future might be a world where people are trying to seek out some form of escape. that generation would be idealistic to the point of delusional. maybe a new age for new prophets, new ideals.

but as past generations showed, that means they will always be forced to face their greatest fear- the reality of how things are which can only mean that it must be a bleak future where they will constantly have to fight with Pisces tools.

great thread, very interesting treatment of Neptune through the signs for those time periods, and that's a unique angle around the cultural portrayal of the fear-aspect...Neptune in Sag paragraph kilt me 😂...

My favorite book on astro I always mention, Richard Tarnas' _Cosmos and Psyche_, is all about the outer transits; he mainly treats their oppositions and conjunctions with one another and the corresponding historical patterns. He has a big interest in Neptune and Uranus in particular (argues that for the latter, Prometheus is the more accurate archetype in mythology than Ouranos, Saturn's father, which seems correct). He notes that even the time periods around the actual discovery of these planets has a pronounced emphasis on the themes associated with them. On Neptune:

"As with the period of Uranus’s discovery in 1781, the discovery of Neptune in 1846 coincided with a range of synchronistic historical and cultural phenomena in the immediately surrounding decades, and more generally in the nineteenth century, that are distinctly suggestive of the corresponding archetype. These include the rapid spread of spiritualism throughout the world beginning in the late 1840s, the upsurge of utopian social ideologies at the same time, the rise of universalist and communitarian aspirations in both secular and religious movements, the full ascendancy of Idealist and Romantic philosophies of spirit and the imagination, the widespread cultural influence of Transcendentalism, the new popular interest in both Eastern mystical and Western esoteric traditions, and the emergence of theosophy. Here too could be cited the rise of the recreational use of psychoactive drugs in European bohemian circles, the beginning of the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, and the invention of anesthetics. The invention and cultural impact of photography and the early experiments in motion pictures, as well as the new aesthetic spirit of Impressionism and Post-Impressionism, were characteristic of the Neptune archetype in its association with image, reflection, subjectivity, illusion, and multiple realities. The growing focus on the unconscious, dreams, myths, hypnosis, and non-ordinary states of consciousness in the decades after Neptune’s discovery is also suggestive of the archetype. So also was the distinct collective emergence of a more socially compassionate humanitarian sensibility that was expressed in the public attitudes, social legislation, art and literature of the Victorian era and the nineteenth century generally (the novels of Dickens and Stowe, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, the abolition of slavery and serfdom, the movements and laws to limit child labor and other cruelties of industrial capitalism, the first laws abolishing capital punishment, the wave of foundings of societies for the protection of animals, the growing role of women in shaping social policy, the beginning of modern nursing through the work of Florence Nightingale, the spread of care for the sick and wounded in war, the first Geneva Convention, the founding of the International Red Cross, etc.)."

Posted by Metatron

great thread, very interesting treatment of Neptune through the signs for those time periods, and that's a unique angle around the cultural portrayal of the fear-aspect...Neptune in Sag paragraph kilt me 😂...

My favorite book on astro I always mention, Richard Tarnas' _Cosmos and Psyche_, is all about the outer transits; he mainly treats their oppositions and conjunctions with one another and the corresponding historical patterns. He has a big interest in Neptune and Uranus in particular (argues that for the latter, Prometheus is the more accurate archetype in mythology than Ouranos, Saturn's father, which seems correct). He notes that even the time periods around the actual discovery of these planets has a pronounced emphasis on the themes associated with them. On Neptune:

"As with the period of Uranus’s discovery in 1781, the discovery of Neptune in 1846 coincided with a range of synchronistic historical and cultural phenomena in the immediately surrounding decades, and more generally in the nineteenth century, that are distinctly suggestive of the corresponding archetype. These include the rapid spread of spiritualism throughout the world beginning in the late 1840s, the upsurge of utopian social ideologies at the same time, the rise of universalist and communitarian aspirations in both secular and religious movements, the full ascendancy of Idealist and Romantic philosophies of spirit and the imagination, the widespread cultural influence of Transcendentalism, the new popular interest in both Eastern mystical and Western esoteric traditions, and the emergence of theosophy. Here too could be cited the rise of the recreational use of psychoactive drugs in European bohemian circles, the beginning of the chemical and pharmaceutical industries, and the invention of anesthetics. The invention and cultural impact of photography and the early experiments in motion pictures, as well as the new aesthetic spirit of Impressionism and Post-Impressionism, were characteristic of the Neptune archetype in its association with image, reflection, subjectivity, illusion, and multiple realities. The growing focus on the unconscious, dreams, myths, hypnosis, and non-ordinary states of consciousness in the decades after Neptune’s discovery is also suggestive of the archetype. So also was the distinct collective emergence of a more socially compassionate humanitarian sensibility that was expressed in the public attitudes, social legislation, art and literature of the Victorian era and the nineteenth century generally (the novels of Dickens and Stowe, Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, the abolition of slavery and serfdom, the movements and laws to limit child labor and other cruelties of industrial capitalism, the first laws abolishing capital punishment, the wave of foundings of societies for the protection of animals, the growing role of women in shaping social policy, the beginning of modern nursing through the work of Florence Nightingale, the spread of care for the sick and wounded in war, the first Geneva Convention, the founding of the International Red Cross, etc.)."

the early 1900s produced people who were emotionally unstable, secretive, extreme or fanatic. a little cray due to Neptune in Cancer and though often dissatisfied with their lot in life, most remained conservative and traditional... experts at rising within the ranks and interested in business much like their polarity Capricorn.

Neptune in Leo we see the birth of Kennedy and others who would one day be part of his 'Camelot,' both men and women of great charisma, loved by people for their warmth and big Leonine hearts though they would often turn out to be poor leaders. coz efficiency is not about being likable unfortunately. oh and the last years of this period will give birth to those who would be more in touch with Leo polarity of Aquarius- rebels and activists like Martin Luther King, Che Guevara etc.

then Neptune in Virgo will later produce people who are very unpredictable (mutable vibes) who might strangely be a little insecure yet.... very caring and even a little dreamy touching on their polarity Pisces. the first generation born after Pluto's discovery which means they are least likely to conform to ancient traditions. and the generation that will one day fight and win the 2nd world war.

ensuring that there is always balance.

@Aqua-Marine

i've thought about this some more and i think it's more accurate to say that the future might be tighter when it comes to security, most everyone easily identified and things might be a little less fun for Pisces influence people lol. mutables enjoy a little bit of the unknown.

seeing how things are, i predict it could be a very Virgo world of order yet something dark might be at work with conjunction perhaps... making the world very bleak. a type of a dark side, shadow Virgo world where we might need new prophets vs new world order. a Virgo/Pisces axis kind of world. i bet everything i have that the future will produce many martyrs as it does at every point when Neptune is in either one of these signs.

this is the axis that has a central theme of sacrifice in every time period 😢