P-Angel

Hey P-Angel.

I want to tell you one thing. People might say that Pisces are inactive, impractical, dreamy and so on. You know what I think? I think this is BS! Why? Because I know why not. I know that I have my "drives" and I also know many of them are far far more intense than anyone can think. I am simply dont give a damn about what people say. I know what I have.

Bleh.

I agree with you Haffo...They are more intense then people think

Haffo, I'm not sure what your post means. Are you saying that I mis-represent our kind? Or, are you confirming our inherent traits?

I was thinking about Freebirds post. She said:

"First of all, YOU need to be YOU! You feel as if you are failing because you are now "trying to be more negative towards my party's demands, trying to be more aloof to their actions, trying to be less sweet in your choice of words and trying to be less supportive in times of hardships, BUT, I always always fail!" You are not being REAL with yourself or others and this is what is causing your "failing" feeling."

I analysed that, and I believe she is right. What is the point of trying to act as others wish to see you. They always turn against you anyway. Then let them choise from what you really are rather than that. This is not my problem if they cant handle me, real me.

I thought about that post a lot myself, Haffo. I can see it both ways though. I mean, if a person doesn't or can't accept you for who you are, then what's the point in even trying to develop a relationship with them, right?

In the case of the post written by FreeBird - it was to Fish Man who had said that he is NOW, trying to be more neg . . . meaning, that before NOW, he tried to be himself and it didn't work, so he is trying a new approach. Being himself didn't work. Being someone else might work for him. Whichever works is worth it if he stops hating himself and that was the motivation for the post by FreeB.

"What is the point of trying to act as others wish to see you. They always turn against you anyway." How true this statement is, Haffo. I live it everyday. So, what is the answer here? Just live it my way, your way, and let the chips fall where they may? For myself, I find great satisfaction in hanging around the elderly. They are so vunerable and feel so left out of the world and abandoned, that they actually will like the real person, simply because that person gives them attention. But, really, that's just stroking my own ego - the one thing that I yell at other people for doing. People often say that Pisces will go for the person who is in distress, neglected, or a victim - but, if you think about that, it's because those are the only people who will accept you for who you are. Everyone else just turns away, like you said.

I know that you know who you are. I know who I am too. But, knowing this doesn't help me to change to a better person and Pisces needs to strive to be better people. As much as we know that deep inside we are giving people, with lots of "drive" and compassion - we are also quite the martyrs and that's not good at all. Pulling away from that is the hard part. So hard, in fact, that we tend to take on other people's personality traits to hide our dissatisfaction with ourselves and the way other people percieve us by becoming sardonic outcasts. Not quite the pity freaks as a Sagg, but pretty close.

So, what is the solution? Just be who we are and to 'ell with everyone else?

The solution is simple. Train your spirit. If you feel that some part of your nature is not sufficient to make things change, then learn it. Find a way. You have alot of information at internet. Google it. And I know why Pisces attracted to Virgo's. Because it's easier to goodle Virgo rather than keyboard.

I wish it were that easy, Haffo. Actually, I don't feel that I'm insufficient. Most other people do, though. Funny how it's easy to change for someone else, but not for yourself, you know what I mean? Learning is the easy part, applying it is another matter. I remember AprilBaby posting something to this effect a couple months ago. Just knowing it, or learning it - is it really enough to make the change. I'm thinking that most people change theirselves only when they have to. Something drastic happens and you have to face yourself.

I pedal along on easy street with someone who takes care of my needs. Perhaps if he left me, then that would be life changing enough for me to wake up and face myself. But, in the meantime, I still have to deal with my character flaws (which was developed as a child from having so many people inside of me). Every Pisces I know is like that, mate. Every single friggin one. You included. By the time we reach adulthood, we are outcasts because we lose people.

Me, you, other Pisces on here - we say something in response to a post and leave people to scratch their heads, wondering what's wrong with us. We lose them because we are lost ourselves in a world that doesn't exist. I know you don't like to hear that, most Pisces don't - but, it's the truth. What you think is real, isn't. What I think is real, isn't.

What you think isn't real - that's probably the real world. I'm not slamming you here, Haffo. I'm speaking for myself too. The ideal world - you have that concreted in your head, don't you? You know exactly what needs to be done, when and how. You know how everyone should behave and how they should feel.

That's fantasy, mate and the better we comprehend this, the better off we will be. That's where the Virgo's come in - they are the foundation where we lay our cement and they know how to form it, finish it and polish it to a shine.

I still say other signs can "form it, finish it and polish it to a shine" as you put it. You really worship your virgos don't you?

CancerKitten,

I know that I would be dead right now, if it my man hadn't found me when he did and I was a mess - strung out on drugs, directionless, used my twat to get what I wanted (good thing they didn't have the std's back then that they have now) - I was on a road to destruction. He saved my life then and continues to do so today. I'm very grateful for all the support, encouragement and love he's given me all these years. Perhaps another person could have rescued me like that, but they didn't - he did. I was on this road for a long time, other people had their opportunities to make a difference in my life, but they didn't - he did.

He sounds like a great guy. Now I kinda understand a bit more why you forgave him for hitting on your friend.

Hi Guys...Freebird comin in for a landing - whooooosh - darn! ran into ANOTHER tree!
I gotta work on that landing technique or I'll be grounded for a long time!

So...thoughts. We all have them - they create us. We are what we "think" we are and wherever we are we are meant to be there in that moment - it is all about discovering who we are. I personally feel that we don't know who we are totally...we are learning who we are and who we are not by the experiences that we have - this life is all a process for us...a course in learning about forgiveness for ourselves and for others along with acceptance of ourselves and others.

I'd like to share again my feelings regarding a male Pisces friend of mine. He is who he is and I accept him for his thoughts, his indeciveness, his sensitivity (when we talk of family and how important friends are his eyes tear up and truthfully, I find that very enduring - he is being truthful to himself by expressing himself) I have not run away from him and I don't intend to. To really be happy in life one must accept who they are, what they will stand for and what they will not...if you can not be truthful to yourself how can one be truthful to another? We can only give away what we possess.

If you are being you and you are comfortable with that than life is great....if someone can not share that experience with you then perhaps they are not at that point in their life and that is okay too - this is where we then have the oppportunity to accept that person for the path that they are on at this time. Time changes, we each change..the only thing constant in our lives is change - another concept to accept.

Haffo and to everyone else on this board...we each are perfect in this moment and all is well. 🙂

I know its not easy. That why you run on Virgo, because its easier. Althought, when you realise it, you start to create an enviroument for it and all become easier to apply. Also, changing for others is a sign of self pity. You wouldn't change for others if you knew your own needs. Its same as hunger. You cant allow it.

Yes, learning it is enough. Depends on what you learn, though. If you learn it clear, then yes. If not, well you know already that part.

Yes, people change themselves when they have to. But understanding what is "have to" is another discussion.

Drastic? Yes. But prepearing to meet problems is as good as dealing with them after they happen. Not just reacting on need in change, though.

Blah blah bla.

I want to share with you one thing. I have talked with a girl today. As a surprise it lasted 2 hours. LOL! This is record time, though. And you know, I was soo comfortable with myself. Why? Because I was acting like myself. She even offered her photo first than I have asked, which is generally opposite. Also, if you have an insecurity about your tought and people you are talkin with have an explaination for it, you may gain from that. You may learn faster than Google'ing problems. I advise you to try it.

Hey Freebird! Thanks for advise! It was useful.

🙂

There is ONLY ONE Haffo existing on planet Earth...so be the BEST Haffo in each moment then you shall have no regrets and you will bless us all by being YOU.

Peace

I'm really not sure what you mean, Haffo, by googling my problems. I don't generally do that. I talk here about my theories and how I view things, but not really problems. Actually, the only problem I have that seems to be a constant is a son who doesn't want to work and I end up supporting him. Although, I see these things in myself and others of my kind, I don't normally view it as a problem to me personally because I have a man who accepts me for who I am. With him, I am myself - no matter if I'm lost in la-la land, demanding he do something for me, or getting drunk and playing touchy feely. So, I'm not sure about the googling my problems thing. What do you mean by that?

Wow Freebird. Thank you very much.



Google'ing the problems:

Haffo's Oxford Dictionary 🙂 say's:

1. Finding a solution for problems via internet search engine Google. 2. Finding solution for problems via reading books. 3. Finding solution for problems via other people experience.

"I talk here about my theories and how I view things, but not really problems."

Why not? If someone has an advise, you may gain from it. Otherwise, who cares about your problems? They are just 1 of 10230824 problems that they can see everywhere. What is a catch of hiding them? Of course if you think exposing them is not what you want to happen, there is no problem. But on other hand, you are losing chance for change.

Oweee another argument,pisces I salute yall,lol. And they thought cancers were defensive.LOL.

Daemon.

Your post doesn't make any sense. I advise you to put more information on your post before posting rather than trying to bore us with your useless comments.

Actually Daemon, I'm in the dark here. I'm trying to comprehend though.

Haffo, do you think that I am airing my problems? Do you not realize that I am Pisces and therefore I wear a mask? This is not me, mate.

Theories, views and opinions are coming from me. But, issues that I post are just for the sport.

Loaded questions full of sarcasm, which lead to confrontation is for the sport. I'm trying to decide if your messing with me, or serious. Or, maybe, I don't understand.

P-Angel, everything that I've read from you here sets right in my spirit-unfortunately, for those who have undeveloped spirits and are searching for an identity are not comprehending your "pearls of wisdom". Some people truly don't care to take any of this chat room conversations seriously, but there are those who need encouragement, understanding, and to be heard. Thank you for being so caring.

LOL u see what i mean,lol. nah forget it,the more info the argument would jus go on and on and on.lemme quote"Hey P-Angel.

I want to tell you one thing. People might say that Pisces are inactive, impractical, dreamy and so on. You know what I think? I think this is BS! Why? Because I know why not. I know that I have my "drives" and I also know many of them are far far more intense than anyone can think. I am simply dont give a damn about what people say. I know what I have.

Bleh."

U must learn to lighten up a while bruh.That is why i said defensive.And if u don't give a damn what people say why u put it in da post in da first place.HMMMM.lol

Thank you WaterBearer, for being so kind and understanding. I talk alot and sometimes I just ramble on, I know. Beit, I'm female, or Pisces - who knows which one, maybe both. I agree with Daemon too, here, Haffo was trying to bait me.

I just like to flap my jaws - flap, flap, flap

I'm just telling you to be as a person as truly you really are and not what someone else wants you to be.

Otherwise, most of the time you already sabotaging many things that could be helpful with this mask.

Mask prevents many good things that may happen to you.

But Haffo, I see outside of the mask, they just can't see in. If I encounter a person, such as my husband and I have a few friends and if they can handle me, then I'll take the mask off. I'm not really missing anything - I just use it as a defense mechanism, so I won't get hurt.

But, I see what you're saying. That's really great that you met a nice girl. I hope the two of you can hook up and have fun.

Most people are out for themselves, so if they meet someone who isn't 'perfect', they walk away and keep looking elsewhere. I certainly won't take my mask off for them. I will act like someone else around them because I'm not perfect and if I let them see that I have huge flaws then I'll get hurt.

I usually test people, at first, to see if they are REAL or not. 99.999% of the people fail the test. However, I am always working with myself because I know that my expectations are exaggerated - because I'm an idealist (a Pisces). So, normally, I'll walk away from someone who failed, re-group and then try again with another approach. If someone can be honest, forthright and a decent human being, then I might let them see who I am, really. Otherwise, what you see is the only thing that's real, what comes out of my mouth, is fake. A lie, or some kind of deception with the purpose of repelling that person. That seems to be my easiest thing to do. I know that because I am weak willed, I can easily be taken advantage of, people can just walk over top of me if I let my true self out - so, if they aren't of good character (as I percieve good character) and repell them by some kind of remark. That way, I don't get used. I realize that it's playing a mind game of some fashion, but it's my defense.

I wish I could be like you, Haffo, and just say, oh well, this is me, take me, or leave me, I don't care. But, I can't, because I do care.

In fact no one is perfect. I dont care if someone cant stand when my mind suddenly changes it way.

If I want to have fun with someone who is acted like total dumba $ $ in the past, I will do it. They dont get why I do like that? Go figure.

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We're pretty good at manipulating people, that's for sure. I do have an advantage, though. I have a partner who can see clearly. Where my judgement may be clouded (which is often the case), he is not and knows that I have this problem. He will gently pull me aside and inform me that I did it again and then counsil me on how to proceed.

He's rock solid and very compassionate towards my handicaps, so I can usually do the right thing in relationships (when he's around, of course). But, if I'm going at it by myself, I usually have to test people first, to see if I can trust to take my mask off and let them see who I really am.

I love your faces.

How do you do that?

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