Pisces Women

Do you ladies have your moments of complete craziness? Im currently with a pisces lady myself. Im a pretty good boyfriend... I cant recall to well the last time i raised my voice to a woman i think i was like 15 and i never did it again. Shes been through some pretty bad relationships and i feel like she thinks if i dont get mad and yell and scream and fight that i dont love her.

She takes my lack of explosion as a sign of not caring. She tried to have it out with me yet again. I calmly told her i was willing to listen to her concerns and or problems. She stopped, shes says shes not angry but i know full well she is and i feel it. She doesnt trust easily because of past relationships.

If you ladies dont mind helping a pisces man out here with some feedback. When your distant and upset do ou wish to be left alone? I as a male pisces retreat and recharge.... But i almost feel like the approach she wants is actually for me to spend more time with her. I feel like she wants more of the mystery and is curious but frustrated that it just doenst come to be.

I do a lot of artwork and furniture restoration old bicycles etc. Plus i design and build earthships. Is it that she wants to participate in my artwork? Shes pretty artsy and good but i just have never invited her to play with me in my workshop. Is there a particular need you ladies have that i am unaware of?

She said i am the most emotionally supportive, caring loving boyfriend shes ever had. But so much so she doesnt know if it can be real? I find the proof of real where love is concerned to be almost unprovable sides unwavering dedication. Shes silently asking in her mind if i want kids and to be married. I hear it but have not answered.

Secondary thought what can i improve to help her feel more confident as a woman in the bedroom. She holds back when she wants me sometimes out of fear of rejection. If any of you know male pisces unless im really upset with her she wont be rejected. Hell ill do it anywhere and anyway if i love the girl. I mean do you like to be attacked a little? or more so dominated? I can do this but it takes some courage and internal confidence boosting.

She wasnt the type of girl im attracted to usually when we first met. But the attraction was instant karma wise. What does a pisces man do to squash doubts that stem from issues that have nothing to do with him. We see one another about 2 days a week. Talk every night tho. Do i need to step this up? Im open to suggest

hey bro, thanks for creating this thread. i'm also curious about pisces-pisces relationships.

one of my best friends growing up was a pisces girl. now that i am aware of some of the astrology at play, it makes more sense.

she was sometimes so happy and upbeat, sometimes down and depressed, sometimes liked to be bossy, but then other times took pleasure in being bossed around. an enigma for real. but she was a pleasure to be friends with, someone i could confide in, and we shared a bond that was truly gratifying.

she also had a trying upbringing. and i could see it took time for her to open up to people, if or when ever she did. since we went to school together from when we were little minnows, we built trust as our relationship unfolded.

like you say, your girl fish isn't used to someone of your gentle and caring nature, so she doesn't have this experience and doesn't know if it can be for real. once she sees that this is really who you are, she will come around. patience and persistence will win; over time a trickle of water wears away even the hardest of stones. though, are you sure this is what you want?

only she has the power to save herself if & when she chooses, and if she allows, you may help. i feel like i have to caution you of this. on the plus side, i can only imagine the possible rewards for both of you, should this happen. for me, i see every experience as an opportunity for one to grow, we pick and choose as we and creation pleases. awareness is the wild card. be sure that you conscious motive and unconscious intent are in harmony, and the cosmos smiles in your favour.

thanks for sharing your self and story with us. and let us know how your relationship evolves; i trust you will find positive resolutions!

blessings,

j.

Sweetie, for all of your amazing and wonderful Pisces MALE advice you hand out here, I'm going to spent an inordinate amount of time responding to this at length. Expect your eyes to burn, and water, and eventually bleed LOL

One caution before I dig in - most of this, I will write from a very PERSONAL point of view, based off of my OWN feelings, experiences, emotions - which may or may not mesh perfectly with those of your own lovely Fish girl. So take it with a grain of salt, and understand that I'm not trying to make this about ME, but I will HAVE TO dig into ME to unearth goodies worthy of your perusal and consideration. Some of it may be dead on, some may be WAY off base, and some of it may be me talking out of my ass because I'm one fucked up Pisces chick with a lot of other planetary influences - and probably a very fucked up childhood.

It's a treasure hunt! Sift through the ashes to find the gems.

1.) Yes, we have our moments of total insanity. As do you, I'm sure. We're Pisces, after all.

Normally, Pisces aren't into that whole dramatastic exploding anger and yelling sort of thing. HOWEVER - I had to learn the difference between DRAMA and EXCITEMENT. Part of that probably my Venus in Aries - hate to be bored and understimulated. Part of it is probably my http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/northnodeinaquarius.html>N. Node in Aquarius challenges. (N. Node Aqua in 11th house means LEO is my South Node in my 5th house - so my challenge IS to differentiate between drama and excitement and all those Leo fiery characteristics.) I'm also thinking that her PAST relationships have served to make her think it's how guys show true love and caring. I had a Leo boyfriend for 5 years - and he was a drama whore, jealous, intense, loud - and did NOT understand why I wouldn't show jealousy or explosive anger. He said that meant I didn't CARE, because his jealousy and anger meant he LOVED me. Very dysfunctional. Maybe your Pisces gal is like me, and needs to learn the difference between drama and excitement.

Of course she says nothing is wrong, and she's not angry. She's stuffing down her negative emotions like a LOT of women do, ESP Pisces women. She probably stuffs them until she blows, huh? Another thing I had to stop doing - it drove my Libra INSANE! Women are (erroneously) taught that men are afraid of our emotions (esp negative ones!) but that's simply not true. What they are terrified of is the emotional EXPLOSION that's brewing and inevitable. Once we women learn to express our feelings AS THEY HAPPEN, which men handle just fine, we stop stuffing them down and stop blowing unexpectedly.

When I'm distant, oh honey.. the LAST thing I want is space. It's counter-productive and backwards, I know. What I WANT is for you to NOTICE something's wrong, and to CARE enough to coax it out of me (I'll tell you over and over it's nothing, but keep at it until I crack and let you in!) Physical touches are my undoing. If I'm trying to be cold and distant, and you're letting me, it could go on indefinitely. But if you seek me out (which reduces 50% of my emotional overload right there) and you TOUCH me while trying to get me to talk... well, my defenses crumble faster. DON'T leave her alone when she's upset... she wants you to reach out to her, but can't or won't tell you so. Fucked up, eh? Yeah. LOL

I appreciate your comments and help. I forgot to mention that her dreamy side seems damaged. I read vigorously about pisces and pisces before committing my love to this relationship. I meditated for a few days on this as well. Im aware of the issues of drowning in dreams but i wish she would dare to dream and believe in herself a little more. Im well prepared to hold her up when she needs it and i realize i may end up taking spears through the heart in the process. But i would take these wounds knowingly and proudly.

However the information i read was sparse and generic. Repeated in most cases and generally left me more frustrated than informed. Shes mentioned activities together more often. In relationships ive just always gone with the flow. But in this case i need to be stronger. She has all these things she wants to do in life but no real base to achieve this.

I swim against the current and furiously. I have long Dreadlocks and It takes a while to get off the "I want it now" train. It looks like a good ride; after all, 'everyone' takes it (don't they?). But the price for the ticket is more than 'they' tell you when you sign-up for the ride. It took me getting on board and riding for a while before I realized that I couldn't get off; to say nothing of the three times as much energy required of the passenger(s) simply to support the train itself (huge overhead). They didn't tell me what that extra energy requirement would do to my family/life style /culture/civilization, either.

Shes also horrible with her money but i dont really care about that. But she buys loads of candle holders and candles and i realize they are little nick nacks that make her nest comfy for her. But she breaks herself doing it. I dare not mention it tho i sense this issue is raw with her. I just support her where i see the opportunity or need. But maybe im just going about this completely wrong.

I appreciate your responses thanks much.

Yes, I feel she WOULD like to be included in your artsy stuff. If I were her, I'd feel that you weren't very admiring of my artistic ability because you don't include me - it's like saying (without actually saying) that my creative abilities aren't "good enough" for you. Typically, Pisces aren't that confident in their abilities anyway... she won't SAY, "Hey - I can do that! Let me try!" (Like a Sag girl would LOL) She'd wait for you to admire her ability enough to offer to share this part with her, and if you do not ever invite her to join, you are sending the unspoken message that her ability is not up to your standards. Also, I feel she'd LOVE to be included in this part of you and your life. INCLUSION is fabulous, it's bonding and wonderful, it's sharing and enjoying each other in new areas. Let her try it out. What's the worse that could happen? If she doesn't like it, or gets bored with it, she'll lose interest and let it go, but ALWAYS remember that you admired her enough to include her.

As for you being TOO awesome and wonderful... yes, I can see that. She's probably used to more dysfunctional, drama-filled, angsty relationships. You seem TOO good to be true... it can't possibly be REAL. There's got to be something she's not seeing correctly. She must be fooling herself. And a guy THAT great wouldn't be interested in HER, anyway - she's got too many problems and flaws. The ending is inevitable, so don't get TOO wrapped up, don't trust TOO much. Crazy, huh? Absolutely. I was the same way with my Libra once upon a time - how could he be so wonderful and amazing and awesome AND still truly interested in a basketcase like ME?! And WHOA, wait until he sees the ugly parts of me and what I am. Fuck, he'll leave me. .....Time, honey. Only time will tell her, and only time will open her up. It's a slow process, earning the deepest trust of a skittish Pisces girl - she's waiting for the other shoe to fall, and jumping at every little thump. It will require Herculean strength and patience, but OH, when she blooms.. it's all worth it!

You hear her silent thoughts about the committed and permanent things like kids and marriage, but won't answer? If your answer is NO NEVER, please keep your mouth shut. THAT sends the message she's not GOOD ENOUGH and you don't think she'll ever be! If the answer is YES, someday... or even MAYBE someday, I can picture it with you and I love what I see.. why are you holding back? She doesn't want to run out and elope right now and pop out 1.2 kids within a year. She just wants to know you consider her WORTHY of thinking of a long life together. Again, same thing with my Libra and I. He'd never been married, never had kids. When he once said to me (near the beginning) NEVER.. ohhhh, how that cut me. I shut down HARD, tight and cold and hard as a ROCK. I'm a twice-married widow with four kids, three still young enough to live at home. Do I WANT to run out and get married? HELL NO. Do I WANT to push the Reset Button and have another child? NO - my BABY is 10 now. But I will be DOUBLE DAMNED if I want to hear that my MAN cannot even IMAGINE something that permanent with me. If I'm not GOOD ENOUGH to even consider these scenarios with - then I'm just the girl you're fucking until something better comes along. FUCK THAT! Of course, he was just being cautious, and honest about his feelings and expectations. Fast forward to the present, and his feelings HAVE changed. Now it's NEVER SAY NEVER.. it's "Honey, that can be a song for our wedding reception." (WTF?! Out of the clear blue?! I was FLOORED!) But there's still this tiny memory.. he once said NEVER.. he once could not IMAGINE a permanent connection to me, at one time I was not GOOD ENOUGH to even CONSIDER for this... and part of me still holds back in that area. If he DOES end up wanting to marry me, he will have to WORK to convince me that he really means it and feels that way, and NOT out of a sense of duty, or because we've been together so long, or I'm a good girlfriend, so I deserve it, and he might as well marry me. Fuck that - I marry for LOVE, or not at all.

Hello thefish,
I am still a newbie to these forums but I can definitely offer my advice as a Pisces woman. I have had some very bad relationships and it's hard for me to trust as well especially when the man seems too good to be true. I can have my crazy moments of explosion b/c of what Nefer brought up and that is that I hold things in until I explode at times. Most of the time I am very easygoing and amiable. I agree with Nefer about not really wanting to be given space when I am mad b/c I would take it as rejection and it would in turn make me more upset. I want to be cajoled into telling you whats wrong and the tender physical touch can really help. Keep showing her you are genuine and eventually she will trust you. I know it takes time for me especially now but I do believe in the good of people overall.
On another note about whether to invite her to help you with your art, I think she may really enjoy being asked and may even want to participate. I know I would. I love to do art as well and if my man invited me it would be a bonding experience. That happened with my ex. We took up painting for awhile and it helped us at the time. :-)
Now to the issue of sex and whether she may be afraid of rejection at times. YES! I know I do. I do initiate but that has come after many years of building my confidance in myself and my sexuality. Before that I would NOT initiate sex most times. I was afraid of rejection and also feeling like I was "bothering" him...funny huh? Most men want that kind of bothering...lol. Sometimes I do want the man to tenderly approach me or just give me a sexy look or touch to let me know and sometimes I don't mind when he gets more aggressive about it..(not too aggressive...lol). After she starts feeling more confidant in her relationship with you she may initiate more b/c if I am comfortable and the man makes me feel good about myself then I initiate now. The current man (Virgo) I am seeing makes me feel very uninhibited and I do jump his bones at times...lmao! I know I have to have a man who makes me feel comfortable in my skin and sensuality in order to initiate it though.
That's my two, four...or more cents on the matter after looking at the small novel I just wrote...he he.
Good luck to you and your lady!

As for the Pisces Girl bedroom games. Wow, this girl seems a lot like me. It's uncanny! I will do just about ANYTHING in the bedroom for my Libra, he only needs ask.. or not ask, just .. do it, take it, start it, whatever. But to initiate? It's something LIKE fear of rejection, though it makes no sense.. my Libra NEVER rejects me, so why do I still feel silly, stupid, clumsy, and ridiculous initiating or asking for something? I don't know, but I do. I CAN initiate once in awhile, but it's not natural for me, and I'm tense and uncomfortable and feel scared and stupid the whole time. Scared of what? I don't know. Not scared he'll be outright rude and rejecting, or openly laugh at me. He's such a nice guy.. real sweet and thoughtful.. he'd never be intentionally hurtful like that.. but also, because he's so nice.. he might go along with what I want just to please me, even if he's laughing inside, or thinks I'm silly or dumb, or UNSEXY. I usually feel clumsy and dorky trying to initiate sex, and wait for him to clearly WANT to have sex... which takes the pressure off me initiating when I'm not clear on how revved up he is at that point. He LOVES when I occasionally just throw caution to the wind, blank my mind (and that nasty little Voice in my head) and just attack him sexually... but he'd probably like it more often. I'm trying, I'm learning. Each time he reacts with complete abandonment and excitement and clearly loves what I'm doing, the easier it is to do next time. Our inner struggles and self-confidence flaws and our fears and all of that are in part natural to Pisces.. and can be reinforced in a lot of us... bad childhoods, abuse, bad relationships, abuse. Our pasts shape us, but we're so mutable, that you can help RESHAPE us in the present and future! Just takes a lot more effort with a damaged Pisces girl than most are willing to put forth... which of course also reinforces her convictions that she's not good enough and will never be deserving of .. well, much of anything.

(Pisces chicks are friggin' WHACK.)

thanks nefer and stpatrickspisces. Its an eye opener for me to read about this.

Oh, P.S. - Yeah, we like you to be the aggressor usually, the dominant one... and in a secure, loving relationship, we can certainly take the submissive role in the bedroom, like a playful little sex kitten at your disposal. We LOVE to please you in the bedroom... the Female Pisces isn't much different from most Male Pisces in that respect.. you know YOU would love her to be the aggressor, the initiator.. she would love it in you too. That's one area that's difficult for Pisces/Pisces (and Pisces/Libra) combos.. both are PLEASERS.. and damnit, SOMEONE'S gotta drive this frickin' bus!

Also, is seeing her two days a week by choice? By circumstance? All your busy schedules will allow? Maybe she wants more time WITH you. Talking on the phone is nice.. TOGETHER is nicer -- and bonds us to each other better.

I doubt her dreams are damaged. Her self esteem is. She has trouble believing in herself and her abilities. Whatever happened in her past to make her this way (prob childhood, when Pisces minds are OH SO tender and easily broken!) YOU CAN HELP FIX IT. Time, patience, and love. Let her SEE and FEEL her worthiness.

As for the money thing - plenty of people aren't great financially. Glad to see you aren't letting it be a HUGE issue. As for the candle stuff.. it's her "thing"... she feels better when she buys those things she loves so much. Yes, I'm sure it's a raw issue with her. Don't judge or seem like you're disapproving of her doing this. But maybe see if you can find out exactly WHAT the candles represent for her. Ask her why she likes them so much.. ask her which ones appeal to her most.. dark and wicked.. pretty and sparkly and fanciful.. find out what ABOUT them is painting her little wagon red. Maybe you'll find something like (as an example ONLY) - her mother/grandma/aunt or someone very beloved to her.. loved candles. That she used to walk through a certain candle shop when she was a kid.. that she used to look through the window of that shop and wish she could go in, or afford the things in there... these candles have SOME SPECIAL MEANING to her. Find out what it is.

With me, it's fifty cent pieces. My beloved Grandma collected them all my life. So I collect them now - rolls and rolls of them, not even in display pages or something. I just hold onto every one I get. I look for them, ask the bank for them, buy them ALWAYS. I have probably over $ 1,000 worth, but I will NEVER turn them in or give them up. My kids will when I'm dead.

Oh oh oh.. another P.S.... St.p brought up something that MAY be at the very CORE of Pisces women!

On the BOTHERING thing. OMG we Pisces women HATE to "bother" you - ALL of my Pisces female friends are like this too. One friend and I roll our eyes and laugh at each other about our "BOTHERING ISSUE". Our menfolk don't get it, they think it's crazy and can't understand why we DO this, why we THINK we're "bothering" them, esp when we initiate anything! (Oh sheesh - I just realized, she and I are both with AIR signs! Mine's a Libra, hers is a Gemini!!!) I mean, it's insane how we guard against this - we will talk ourselves out of initiating something we might want or feel like doing.. because we think we may be BOTHERING you. Initiating sex? "Well, maybe he's not in the mood. He seems tired. Well, we had sex last night, it's not like we're both dying of sexual starvation. He looks like he's enjoying reading the paper/on the PC/watching that movie/etc. I don't want to bother him. I'll wait until he SAYS, or gives me a totally unmistakable sign that he's interested in sex. Yeah, I'll wait until he initiates. I feel dumb doing it. I don't want to disturb him."

Hell, my Libra and I only RECENTLY got past the "text message initiating" thing. Meaning I would NOT initiate texting him while he was at work. Nope, no way. If HE starts texting me, I can respond. When he stops, I stop. I didn't want to BOTHER him. If I was RESPONDING to him, I knew I wasn't bothering him. If he stopped, the bothering thing would creep up again. It's been an ongoing issue with us. He finally (we are talking two weeks ago maybe) got it out in the open. WHY won't I ever text him first? Why does he have to initiate? It feels like I don't miss him when he's gone, don't want to talk to him, nothing. WHY do I think I'm bothering him?! We discussed the bothering issue at GREAT length. NOW he does NOT say, "I don't MIND when you text me. You aren't bothering me!" because not MINDING something is NOT the same as WANTING something.. NOW he says, "I LOVE it when you text me at work. PLEASE text me all you want to! I will answer when I can." He says that every single day when he's leaving for work now - because without it, I'm still new at this initiating thing and realizing that I'm truly not bothering him!

Your girl probably doesn't want to "bother" you either, so she has trouble initiating!

We are seeing one another 2 days a week because i live over an hour away from her. Her business depends on where she is and mine on where i am. So we are kind of stuck in that situation. Plus her hours are sparattic but she cant help it and i know that so theres no point in voicing a concern that really cant be rectified at this time.

Its interesting being privy to a mirror in some ways. She is a totally different and enjoyable experience. I was very candid in the 6 page email i sent her this morning and i can feel shes writing back as i type here. Im actually quite in tune with her i can feel her emotions and i must seperate hers from my own in a sense to really know who is who.

Ive even woken up in the middle of the night when shes uneasy and far away. I texted her its ok go back to sleep your safe im looking out for you. But it freaked her out that i knew. She wouldnt drop it and hounded me for days about how i could possibly have known what was happening. Shes spiritual does yoga plays her singing bowls etc. I love that and support her. But i think theres an expectation that i ALWAYS participate in the yoga. I love to support her in it and even do it with her regularly but not every time. How can i tell her without her taking it so hard that i love being there with her but not every single time.

I can instantly sense her mood changes and her rhythm. I know when shes stressed and i do little things to make life easier when im around. Cook a healthy vegan meal or thai food which she loves. Anyway i tend to over analyze. I have a Virgo Moon. Which is a rare non water in my chart. "If your Sun Sign is a water sign (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces), Virgo Moon lends greater dimensions to your emotional nature, for you are blessed with a rare combination of psychic truth and hardheaded realism." I think that might be confusing for her. Its a different range.

Anyway all your replies have been valuable and informative on many levels. Ohhh and shes jealous of one of my female friends even tho this friend is a lesbian and is living with her girlfriend. I dont see how thats a threat. Maybe im blind. !!! I asked her why she was jealous but she got upset that i knew and closed up a bit. I got no answer heh. ~~~ but ill keep trying.

Ahhh.. what a magical connection. Spooky to one who has never experienced it, I'm sure. I do the connected thing to my Libra.. it baffles and intrigues him, but at first, it kind of freaked him out. I may be more like YOU than I'm like your Pisces gal! I too have an Earth Moon (Taurus) and funnily enough, my Libra also has a Virgo Moon - and you two hold some striking similarities too.

All I can say is TELL her you like to be involved, but not EVERY time. She seems sensitive and it may hurt her, so be as gentle as possible. But trust me, she's not BLIND to the fact that you are not totally thrilled to join each and every time!

Jealousy. I always thought I was defective, didn't come with the jealousy gene - so I could not truly comprehend its issues. HOWEVER. I've now been exposed to jealousy... not some raging, green-eyed monster shit, and certainly I wouldn't lower myself to ACTING all jealous and insecure, NO. How humiliating! How lame and childish! But yes, I can identify fleeting flashes of the emotion called jealousy now. But it's not always (or even usually) that I'm jealous of a girl cuz I think she's a threat to taking my man away. (Your lez pal.) Sometimes, I'm jealous of the time he spends with a friend, sometimes I'm just sad I don't have as much time with him as I'd like. Sometimes I just wish I could be part of this one with him. So it comes out as jealousy.. usually at a situation, not a person.

Example: My Libra occasionally stops for a couple beers at a nearby bar with work friends on Fri or Sat. He doesn't get out of work until 11pm or 12am, and home is almost 30 miles away. It may be POSSIBLE to come get me first, but it's not FEASIBLE nor PRACTICAL. And I truly don't mind him going with his friends occasionally. But here's the rub - I got the "situational jealousy" over him talking about Patty, a manly dyke lesbian that works there. They're great friends. Am I scared she wants him? Hell no! I was just sad and jealous that I can't be there, that I can't meet those friends or hang with that crowd. Once, Patty asked him if a co-worker was his gf, since she'd never met me. MAN, did that ever cut me! People joked, saying he doesn't have a real gf, no man talks THAT much about his girl, but never there! So he took me there one Sat when he didn't work, and I met Patty. Patty would be FAR more interested in stealing ME than stealing HIM lol I've met her now, she knows I'm real. The Jealousy Monster was fed and is napping.

He just needed to know he was on the right path, Ian. Doesn't want to misstep and irreversibly hurt this lovely girl, especially with something he COULD HAVE avoided, just by making sure of the ways Pisces males and females are different. (Plus, we Pisces tend to think we're crazy, insane, different than everyone else, and assume we're the whack-job... even when dealing with another Pisces!) Plus, she's got issues that stem from areas he has little experience in, so he called out for help.

Also, the glimpses into a female Pisces mind might be intriguing him - I bet light bulbs are going off right and left for him!

Wow! I even love reading this and it helps me to know that my fellow Pisces women are in the same place with a lot of these issues! I always tend to feel different and "weird" around others but sometimes very proud and haughty that I am a Pisces!! Kind of a contradiction but true none the less. I didn't realize that the "bothering" thing was as common with other Pisces but I have always been like that even when I was little. I always want to accommodate those around me even if it means sacrificing what I want to do or where I want to go...etc. I do the exact same thing about texting as well. I will purposely not text the Virgo I'm seeing for a few days or until he texts me b/c I don't want to "bother" him and I don't want him to think I am crazy fan/stalker (he's in a band). I always feel like he doesn't want to see me anymore either when he doesn't text me for awhile. I guess I am still not as confidant as I strive to be...lol. I also know that I come off kind of strong in the beginning when I like someone and I can get overzealous in a very nice way but it may be too much for some. That's why I have been seeking advice on the Virgo boards b/c this is my first encounter with a Virgo as more than friends.
I also can sense what most people are feeling or thinking even when they aren't with me and they think it's uncanny as well. For some reason I am having a harder time with Virguy though....weird.
I also have that tendency for jealousy. I will not usually show it unless it's something very overt and unmistakeable. I will keep a lid on it but I do feel it for sure. I think Nefer hit it right on the head though with the fact that it's not necessarily feeling threatened that my man will be taken away from me but that his attention is somewhere else and that I can't share that with him or sometimes the time thing also.
I have really enjoyed conferring with all of you here on DXP! This is fun getting to know people and how they interract with one another according to their signs. I can't believe that some people don't believe in astrology and that it is a very valid thing!

yeah your right ian i had a few ideas in mind but i was checking with other pisces women for a bit of a go ahead. I like to feel it out and check it out. Its just how i am. I really appreciate your posts ladies. If you dont mind me asking Ian what sign is your lady im curious

"Do you ladies have your moments of complete craziness? Im currently with a pisces lady myself. Im a pretty good boyfriend... I cant recall to well the last time i raised my voice to a woman i think i was like 15 and i never did it again. Shes been through some pretty bad relationships and i feel like she thinks if i dont get mad and yell and scream and fight that i dont love her."

Other then in a fun/creative sense & a crazy love of laughter, I really can't say i have my moments of craziness (my moods & temperament are very linear and stable..) It's too bad she had to go through so many bad relationships before finding you. I would hope she learned something valuable from each one. For maturity and endurance-sake, i think people should really come to terms with certain issues in their life and become their own BEST friend before entering a relationship. She is very lucky to have a lunar virgo in her life, i do as well with my sag and love the moon's position here! Cherish your objectivity and responsible virgoan sense, especially in today's world of unpredictability and fickleness. I could never live or desire for someone to yell or scream at me. I loath that kind of drama. It's what you do everyday as a loving, responsible, passionate partner that will sooner or later be appreciated. Passion, respect and love doesn't mean drama, anger or meaness in a healthy relationship. If it's something's she's gotten used to prior, it will take time to learn a different mind-set. And maybe with (valuable time) together in the long run with you, she'll come to appreciate you for just being you.

G/luck ..

Pisces and Pisces is bliss and a challenge all at once. We chatted tonight a bit more in depth. Going to go to AUS but she cannot seem to save very well. I figure ill open and account put money in it and what she contributes as well as my own. Shes agreed happily. Then let her see it grow through online banking. It may not be the best plan but i think the excitement that it will instill in her will bring about the reality of it for her.

You ladies helped loads thanks. It made my approach a little more certain and thus stronger and more focused. I get it she wants to be molded behind closed doors im not used to it but up for mixing it up. Her being indecisive kind of excites me. I never know what glorious or crazy ideas shes cooked up each day. It kind of drove me nuts and first but i think over time i took it as a positive trait. If it makes her happy to be random then OK!

I have to listen more intently is all.

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Its like looking a mirror when reading these posts...it's really kind of freaky

aho to that. thanks for all the insights ladies and gentlemen; that bothering thing must have some positives to it though!?! LOL.

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Its like looking a mirror when reading these posts...it's really kind of freaky

aho to that. thanks for all the insights ladies and gentlemen; that bothering thing must have some positives to it though!?! LOL.

For me, IDK if it has an upside. It probably makes me come off as playing hot/cold or being overly mysterious...but in truth I just don't want to intrude on them and I always feel like that, no matter what he says. I feel like if he was thinking about me or wanted to hear from me...he'd call! I don't know..it's something I'm trying to work on...

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Same here SeaVixen. It's hard to break a habit that you've had your whole life and I guess that's actually a part of our Pisces make up...lol. The "bothering" thing may have an upside for the other people around us at times but I don't know if I see a real positive side for me! 😉

maybe it helps that we're easy to be with, not overly demanding, and just generally considerate of other people

one thing i'm learning from this is, there could be some times where this is more in our heads than actually the case (that we might be bothering someone) and they might actually welcome being reached out to.


on one hand,
"we do what we do, because we are what we are"

on another,
"we are all humans becoming, help us to become"

On the "bothering issue" being a PLUS to other people... YES, it seems to be, at least in the beginning. It does indeed keep us Pisces women from doing the psycho-clingy-crazy thing a lot of other women do. It gives our new man time and space to become emotionally vested in us, because we are not demanding, clingy, constantly calling or texting or chasing. Men like to pursue, and men must pursue most Pisces women.

When it becomes a PROBLEM for others is when we are already IN a longterm relationship... because the "bothering issue" doesn't change or even fade, even when our (now emotionally connected and in love) menfolk would LIKE a bit more "attention" and "initiation" from us. After awhile, he notices it, and sees that we don't usually initiate anything. He starts to wonder if we simply don't CARE for him like he cares for us, because we're the OPPOSITE of needy and clingy.. we're still aloof, self-contained, and still very, very conscious and careful to not BOTHER him. So what works GREAT for him in the beginning... stops being so great as time goes on and the relationship deepens.

Nefer thinks Nefer writes too much. *shrug*

Pisces Moon, love.. the emotions of a Fish.

j00 are fucked lol

"As for you being TOO awesome and wonderful... yes, I can see that. She's probably used to more dysfunctional, drama-filled, angsty relationships. You seem TOO good to be true... it can't possibly be REAL. There's got to be something she's not seeing correctly. She must be fooling herself. And a guy THAT great wouldn't be interested in HER, anyway - she's got too many problems and flaws. The ending is inevitable, so don't get TOO wrapped up, don't trust TOO much. Crazy, huh? Absolutely. I was the same way with my Libra once upon a time - how could he be so wonderful and amazing and awesome AND still truly interested in a basketcase like ME?! And WHOA, wait until he sees the ugly parts of me and what I am. treetrunk, he'll leave me. ....."

Agree 100% . Would like to add something though. Purely based on how I was after several years spent in a very destructive relationship and how I was with the sweet and supportive guy I dated afterwards.

".......he'll leave me.........so I may as well fuck it up now"

This was something I did subconsciously, I really wasn't aware until much after the event when I realised what I'd lost in him. It was like my fears were so deep my subconscious acted on my emotions which led to it turning into some self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm probably not explaining it well. It was classic self-destructive behaviour. I probably still felt guilt over my previous relationship (blamed myself for what happened) and didn't believe I deserved to have someone good in my life........so I slowly but surely pushed him away. Acted out in all sorts of ways. Became distant and moody and got angry for no reason. As if to SHOW him "look this is how awful I can be are you really sure you want to stick around?" like giving someone an easy way out. I'll make it so tough for you that you'll be glad to leave. It'll be like I've done you a favour.

I'm not saying this is the case with your fish, just that this was how I was and there may well be elements of this in how she is feeling. So yeah if she's distant I wouldn't leave her alone, that's what she's expecting you to do. To show her that you're like everyone else, that you're going to hurt her and/or leave. So you show her that you're not going anywhere, and over time she'll learn to trust that.

The only other thing I wanted to say regarding your question of us having our crazy moments. The answer is of course yes. Something else to consider though.......and again this is from

my personal perspective. Sometimes I don't even know WHY I'm having a crazy moment. Sometimes I just feel out of tune.....with the world, with myself everything. Like I'm in a funk. It drives me mad. You won't find me talking about it though, you may just notice I'm out of sorts. The reason I don't talk about it? Because you would most likely think "she's off her f*cking rocker that one" so I keep it to myself!

I'm probably not as evolved as a lot of the other Pisces women on here, I'm still trying to find out who I really am in a lot of ways (again as a result of some traumatic relationships) but that's ok. :-)

You actually explained it rather well, Thetis. (And as for "unevolved".. I don't buy that for a second! I've READ your posts and insights!)

That is indeed classic self-destruction. I'm guilty of it in the past, pretty much for the reason you mentioned... "might as well fuck it up now, show him ALL the bad stuff, just pile it up and watch him turn tail like everyone else!" It's a hard habit to break.. and the thought process that goes with it is even harder to stop... it's my Nasty Little Voice in my head. She pops up unbidden and UNWANTED, and is very, very persistent and persuasive. Common to Pisces women? I don't know, but maybe - we're so deep, with so many emotions.

My Libra says, "I'm a puddle; you're an ocean!" And sometimes when he wants to gently point out that I may be reading too much into something I should be taking at face value, he'll say quietly, "Puddle, Ocean." And it reminds me to break the chain of jumbled, probably over reactive and over sensitive thoughts and look at it from a "straight up" point of view!

"I'm a puddle; you're an ocean!"

I like that. 🙂

Had a good weekend of pirates of the Caribbean trilogy watching. Making soup and drinking wine. Waters calm for now !! Thanks again

Loved this one too...

Take it from a libra that hate conflict my pisces turned from loving me to wanting to stab me I never started or tryed to fight her butonce because she gave her ex boyfriend her new number but wanted to not look or communicate with no females period .good luck and guard those dredlocks . Yep got a restraing order she in jail right now check my post about my pises not saying all pisces like that but be extra careful I should of listened I was just like u promise

If only my pisces was like nefer she will txtxtxtx while I'm at work curse when I don't answer right away then slap me in the face when I got home claming I'm fkg co workers . Then want to have sex later that night .as a libra I'm like no u hurt my feelings in my mind I was saying that then she a get agressive so I a give in because she would want to fight me again if I didn't have sex with her yes I eventually became her slave all the way around wraped around her finger no freedom no friends no life her life was my new life trying to keep her from crying whining wanting to die. Goodluck cause it take patience I cracked after 6 months held on another three just cuz and now I'm out and so screwed up mentally but happy I could be me again!