Yes Markella, you are sooo right. The less the know the better. And they are masochists so the worse you treat them the more they want you.
Being too nice is a mistake. You have to mix it up. Go from mean to nice...hot to cold...etc.. They like that. Familiarity breeds contempt with these guys. You must keep them guessing and on their toes (in other words they have to have room to fantasize).
I read the book before lol. Most of the things that was in it I already do tho'. I have been the "nice girl" before but I think my Venus in Leo kinda makes me naturally bitchie!
This particular shenangan has been going on for 6 months ... and now that he man has finally caved from the constant manipulation .. he gets dumped and is expected to come crawling back.
"But.. not him wanting to see me before he leaves makes me really suspicius that this could be a game.. so he has two girls and not needing to explain himself to neither of us.
I am not going to allow this. Since the day he decides that he IS with me I want him all mine!"
You make no sense at all, Moro ... you dump him, then worried that he might find another woman, then say you aren't going to allow it and want him all for yourself.
You were better off with the Scorpio .... he accepted your gaming ways and took care of you anyway.
bijou ... everyday I come closer to the realization that (most) every person (especially women), have an illusion of love in which they strive to find. People would say this is a Piscean trait .. but, it appears to be most females.
We have a longing for unconditional love and we have certain expectations of how we want to be treated .. which contridicts the term ... "unconditional love".
So, this is where the illusion comes in ... how can we live within reality of longing for this kind of love and then put stipulations on it without losing our minds and injuring our hearts?
It appears to me that this "UL" is soley for the self .. we love ourselves this way and then go about trying to find another to fit within our mold that we've created as what we expect this love to be.
We put conditions on them ... but, expect none to come back to us.
"What do Picses Love in a woman? Hate in a woman?"
Butterfly .. to answer your questions .....
Pisces people (both genders) ... live in a continuous state of an altered reality compared to other people .. so our main quality that we love in another person is their stability, confidence in knowing who and what they are.
I'll try to explain how this is relative to our basic need in a partner. Everybody else .. "thinks" and then associates feelings to this thought. If somebody hurts you or defies your trust in them, then what their deed was is a "thought" first, then you attached hurt feelings to them to become angry, or feel betrayed, or whatever the feeling is that you attached to the thought of what they did. Same with good events .. if someone does something to please you .. you will "think" about what they did for you, and then attach feelings to it.
Pisces are the other way around .. we feel something first, then attach a thought to it. As you've read in here (I'm sure, since you are trying to figure a P-man out), we say we are dis-connected, detached from feelings and this is likely making you scratch your head .. how can a person be dis-connected to feelings.
In our duality .. our altered states of reality .. there is "thought" and "feelings" .. and they are seperated from each other .. NOT attached. So, when something happens in our world, we associate it immediately with a feeling, once we've felt it through, we dis-connect from the feeling and bring it to thought. That doesn't mean we cannot feel it anylonger, because we can ... we can re-connect to it anytime we want, and often shift back and forth between the two simultaneously.
Because we "feel" everything before "thought" ... we can feel your moods, even on the phone (which I think your in a LDR). We can sense it in your tone, pitch, speed of words, different kinds of giggles/laughs, stuttering, levels/depths of breating. In person, we pick up on everything physically as well.
So, my whole point to this is .... because we can detect exactly what you are feeling, we then look to see if your words match your actions, for after we've "felt" this mood, we will put thought to it, so we'll see if your words of thought .. match.
For this reason ... we need a person who is stable, grounded .. knows who they are, what they want, where their life-path is leading them, can make decisions, has confidence, good judgement = everything associated with mental stability.
Butterfly .. the next time you're talking to a Pisces in person, bring up a subject in which may be disturbing or questionable .. then watch and you'll see what I'm talking about.
There will be a moments hesitation where it looks like this person went vacant for a second, eyes glazed over .. sometimes, only for a second. Then their eyes will clear up and an answer will follow.
At that moment, when you verbally said what was disturbing, and the Pisces shifted ... s/he was "feeling" it first, and during this feeling of the event, they were feeling whether YOU were feeling disturbed about this event or not .. and it's all done with a second.
If you're disturbed by it, when we come back from feeling to put thought to it .. we'll pamper your feelings for you because we sensed that your mood matched this horrible event. We've disconnected after feeling to bring it to thought .. so we can wrap our arms around you and nurture your hurt feelings because though, we've detached from it, we still know what it felt like while associating a feeling to it.
If we sense that you aren't disturbed within your feelings of this event you've said ... then we'll just talk to you objectively about what happened, and it will appear as if we are cold, like it never affected us.
Anyway .. check it out with a Pisces person ... we're easy to pick out in a crowd because when something is distressful, you'll see our gaze shift back and forth between 'feeling' and 'thinking'
Maybe it's not possible, bijou .. that's why we all struggle to find it.
I think of it this way ... if all of us want this "UL" AND we are all individuals, who have a "different" idea of what this love means, then how can we give this to another person IF their description of it is different from ours?
If a man thinks his description of "UL" is to go out every Friday night with the boys drinking ... and if his wife loved him unconditionally, then she should accept this without question ... then this is exactly what this wife HAS to do if she loves him unconditionally. Yet, in her mind of "UL", this husband should spend every evening with her, giving her all his attention .. and he should do this if he loved her unconditionally.
So, how is it possible to have someone love us each unconditionally if we all have a different interpretation of what this means to us? We can't .. this "UL" can only be for ourselves .. we know not how another person feels about this kind of love .. we only know how we feel about it within ourselves.
Maybe this is our mistake in the romance department ... we are expected and unconditional love, and to expect it, nullifies it.
"Why do I feel dumped though—— Was it my words or his attitude that led us in this?"
You dumped yourself a long time ago .. it was your words and your attitude, Moro .. he only wanted to be your friend, and said so from day #1 .. because you wanted him to love you as his girlfriend, you went about manipulating him, even saying that you would keep sexually seducing him intil you convinced him that he was yours.
You're living in a dream, an illusion ... his actions of not treating you as his girlfriend have been his actions all along, Moro. He's never treated you as his woman.
Still, you're living within the fantasy because now you can't understand why he's treating you as he's always treated you. You think he's playing some kind of game with you .... he's not, he's told you from the very beginning that he doesn't want to have a relationship with you other than friends.
"You were in my position once... Why do you refuse to feel me?"
I've never allowed myself to be in your position Moro .. if a person loves or not .. this is accepted. What you are trying to relate here is a relationship that was a marriage that ended .. compared to a relationship that never existed except in your head.
Moro, what has to happen for the light to go off in your head?
Forget it Moro .. I've tried for 6 months to reason with you, and tell you what is going on .. and you refuse to listen, and say I can't comprehend what is really happening.
Sobeit ... believe what you want ... there's no point talking to you, you don't believe anything anybody tells you.
It's like trying to talk politics with the swing-set in the back garden.
"Sometimes, I may not feel good about him..but my loving him doesn't change or stop. That is my stability, my grounding. I trust how I feel. I accept loving him."
That is the only stability we really need, and the reason why he is starting to open-up and trust you. A person is supposed to have changing feelings as each episodes arises in our life .. to trust these feeling, and KNOW that it's ok to "feel" differently according to circumstances ... is what we look for in a person.
They "feel" .. they know it's ok to feel .... and in living within this human condition of having emotions and accepting them, the Pisces finds true love for this other human being. That to us is stable because it is accepting life for what it is and not afraid of it.
I'm so glad you two are finding a better path, bijou ... you have put a lot of loving energy into this man, and it sounds like he's finally ready. 🙂
I remember from the very beginning when you described how your P-man took such good care of her .. my heart melted for this man. Any man who would go above and beyond to aid his mother, and sacrifice his time and heart for his mother ... is a good soul. 🙂
Glad to hear she is still hanging in there ... and that he continues to try and bring some quality to remaining stage of her life. In the end, alls we really have are our memories .. I'm sure having a son like him, her memories are bringing her all the joy she needs.
"the women in his past relationships treated him like crap..and he adored them...his ex. even cheated on him and he sat praying for her to come back..knowing she's with another man"
The fish men I know would swim away from a woman like this so fast, they would be deep in the mariana trench before they took a break. I've dated one before (two pisces together = NOT a good idea, btw) and found them quite savvy at getting their way...in everything!
My sister and a good friend of mine are both married to pisces men. They are both independent, strong and stable with their own goals and careers. However, they both know how to compromise. Both of them have moved repeatedly because of their husbands' work. They support the goals of their men, and they are certainly faithful.
Pisces, both men and women, want an equal, not someone to dominate us. Domination stifles us and we will immediately look for an escape. Those who have remained in such a relationship have other issues and, perhaps, not enough life experience or sense of their own identity to know when someone is not worth their time.
"The two of them (my friends) are so unusual and amazing *both individully and together*"
And that's the key! We fish will always be a separate entity from the person we are with and we need someone who is comfortable with that idea of separate, but together. When we're younger, pisces are more likely to lose our identity and self in another person, but most I have seen learn and grow from the pain of that experience. It's those that don't who find themselves searching for other escapes, sometimes through drugs and alcohol.
Can i just add take what you read on here as guidance not gospel. there are so many wise people on here who have amazing advice and valid points.
But you have to be true to yourself. Let them know how you feel they arent mind readers. and you will feel better for getting thing off your chest and being open about your feelings rather then not calling because you feel you shouldnt
if the man cant accept you at your worst. he sure as hell doesnt deserve you at your best.
I`m selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control, and at times hard to handle, but if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best. - Marilyn Monroe
Being selfish and out of control, especially if it's recognized by the individual .... isn't an acceptable fault .. a fault is something that cannot be helped.
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