Ukraine..

What do you think folks? Are we headed for another Cold War?



Vladimir Putin has lost the plot over Ukraine, according to the German chancellor, Angela Merkel.

US reports said Merkel phoned Barack Obama on Sunday evening after speaking to the Russian president to press him to back down from his invasion of Ukraine and occupation of the Crimean peninsula.

"She was not sure he was in touch with reality, people briefed on the call said. 'In another world,' she said," the New York Times reported.

The vast gap between Putin's and the west's perceptions of what is taking place in Ukraine is adding to the pressure on the White House to take the lead in what US experts are calling the defining international crisis of Barack Obama's two terms. Senior US administration officials concede that Putin has taken total control of Crimea.

EU foreign ministers gather in Brussels for an emergency meeting on Monday. Nato, also in Brussels, is expected to issue a damning statement on Russia. But the Europeans and the Americans already appear divided and there are also splits among European allies, encouraging the Kremlin to believe that the response from the west will be less than overwhelming.

While Washington is threatening to kick Russia out of the G8 group of leading world economies, Berlin is opposed to this move. The EU foreign ministers are unlikely to get very far in agreeing on economic sanctions against Russia, while John Kerry, the US secretary of state, has spoken of a punitive package aimed at Russia's economic isolation.

Kerry is expected in Kiev on Monday where the foreign secretary, William Hague, described Ukraine as "certainly the biggest crisis in Europe in the 21st century".

Speaking to the BBC from Kiev, Hague said Russia could face "significant diplomatic and economic costs" unless it stops threatening the integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. Putin needs to return his forces to their barracks in Crimea, he added.

He also urged Russia and Ukraine to start a direct dialogue. Similar calls have come from Washington and it may be that the EU meeting offers to mediate between the two sides, although Putin will be wary of Europe playing the peacebroker, as it has been an integral factor in the conflict since the Ukrainian crisis erupted in November when the toppled president Viktor Yanukovych ditched trade and political pacts with Brussels.

Merkel suggested to Putin that the EU send a fact-finding mission to Ukraine.

The Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe, which was also meeting to discuss Ukraine on Monday in Vienna, could also be charged with the mission, diplomats said.

Hague, who had been meeting Ukrainian leaders in an act of solidarity before attending a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels, urged restraint on all sides, saying there were constant risks of miscalculation or a flashpoint. He commended the Ukrainian authorities for "refusing to rise to provocation" and urged them "to stick to that course".

Hague was reluctant to detail the economic sanctions Russia may face, but diplomatic sources pointed out that the Russian economy is more integrated with the west than during the cold war and may suffer reverses on the Russian stock exchange.

Russian shares were tumbling in Moscow by more than 11% at the time Hague was meeting the new Ukrainian leadership in Kiev. He stressed he could not foresee a satisfactory outcome that left Crimea annexed once again by Russia.

He added: "Be in no doubt, there will be consequences. The world cannot say it is OK to violate the sovereignty of other nations." The costs would be imposed unless the Russians respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, he said.

"This clearly is a violation of the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine. If Russia continues on this course we have to be clear this is not an acceptable way to conduct international relations."

Sanctions on Russia could rebound on Europe in a tit-for-tat contest. Russia is a big export market for the EU, which is also highly dependent on Russian energy exports, with about a quarter of its oil and gas originating in Siberia.

Hague denied that western condemnation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine was weakened by the allied invasion of Iraq in 2003, saying Ukraine had never represented a threat to Russia or any other nation. Hague claimed the truth was that Putin had "suffered a major diplomatic reverse and was reacting to that".

He suggested the temporary suspension of preparations for the G8 summit due to be hosted by Putin in Sochi in June might become permanent, although the Germans are reluctant to close down one of the chief avenues of dialogue between Russia and the west.

Hague said the G7 — the main western economies — were entirely capable of co-operating among themselves without Russia and would move speedily in that direction if this crisis could not be resolved.

Hague acknowledged the relationship between Ukraine and Russia, but said that at the same time the country could have closer links than at present with the EU.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-vladimir-putin-angela-merkel-russian

SF get in here and talk sweet sweet politics to me.

What Putin is doing is EXACTLY what jackass Bush did in Iraq. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Only difference, he's not shooting, bombing etc.. (yet) I could care less if he does either.

We need to keep our noses out of other country's ass get our guys out of Iraq and Afghanistan and let them all kill each other if that's what they want to do. I'm tired of paying out the ass and our economy dying because of this bullshit.

*asses

anyway my 2cents

Yeah, I am seeing the same thing LIB.

Disguising it under the "helping the russian people in Ukraine" excuse.

Follow the money

GREED WILL BE OUR DEMISE....unless of course our military decides to take over the pencil pushers in DC. Then you'll see some real shit happen. 😉

I mean how stupid can a pencil pusher be to announce they are cutting our military and security?

All I have to say is...wrong thing to say to men and women who have served well over 10 years in the military .."sorry, we have to lay you off". Clever shit there eh?

I'd back the military IN A NANO SECOND!

Let the sheep follow the suits.

Posted by geminicandIe
What is your assessment of the crisis Damnata?

What is the official stance of Romanian government and unofficial opinion of Romanian people, given that you are neighbors and had similar experience with Russia not too long ago?

Both the official stance of the government and unofficial opinion condemn Russia's occupation of Crimea.

I don't think it will get to war but I do think the economic sanctions on Russia will affect my country. We get all our energy from there and we were just recovering from the economic crisis...Romanians are poor and an uprise in prices would leave a lot of people homeless.

I'm a bit concerned if they don't back down because they could invade Basarabia, which was always a Romanian province. The Moldavian people, despite speaking Russian are Romanian at heart.

What stops Putin from bringing his troups there "to defend" the slavic population?

Posted by geminicandIe
Do you think Romania is better off after joining EU?

It sounds like Putin is on some mission to unite all Slavs, no matter where they may be.

Still not sure..we joined in 2007 and then the crisis hit. I think we are closer each day to getting booted out because the anticorruption legislation is not passing Parliament.

Yes, he is. Regardless of their opinion. I read a recent poll in Kremlin..most of the russian people oppose his intervention in Ukraine.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/so-why-arent-they-shooting-is-putins-question-ukrainians-say-338389.html<BR>
2 really good articles (imo) :

http://world.time.com/2014/03/03/putin-ukraine-crimea-russia/#ixzz2uzVEZZPT<BR>
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/opinion/the-myth-of-a-divided-ukraine.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

Posted by xvll27
I have met so many Ukraine and Russian people too and I'm fluent with their languages and very well informed with their culture and tradition too
but my brain is so tired too write and participate right now after long hour of continue working with out having sleep for two night

I will speak my two cent later so carry on

Please do 🙂

When you have the time for it 🙂

Nothing new in here... moves on.

Romanian fucktard speaking of Russian politics..? Lmao??_ continue ass kissing the USA probably might get you somewhere sometimes.

For the topic??_ as idiot as it is, copy and paste MSM..? Hahahaha... you know nothing .

Yup, nothing new here.. same old Qbone 🙂

It is all about the existanse of the Russian fleets in the black sea (it's time for tit for tat) since Russian support the Syrian regime and their sovereignties.

FUCK the EU and the USA??_ ahh I almost forget the asskissers like Romanians/Bulgarians/moldovians/fucking Yugolslvians etc..

I am actually interested in all and any opinions on this so if can add your input, with insults and evethying..it would be nice.

I like listening to people who are older than me especially on topics like this.

Posted by Qbone
It is all about the existanse of the Russian fleets in the black sea (it's time for tit for tat) since Russian support the Syrian regime and their sovereignties.

See, this I can understand.

A friend of mine was constantly talking about Syria and how the new situation takes away attention from that.

Next time you going to make a topic babe, make sure that that you KNOW something about it before you copy and paste something.

I'm sorry, just noticed I forgot to copy and paste the link from the first article. I did that with the next two.

I figured it was obvious it wasn't my personal opinion, I'm not that proficient in English or Politics.

I steer away from most of it but smthg about this made me look into it. I should read further.

Since you like copy and paste.. see this too..

The Obama administration —plotted?? and —abetted?? the ouster of Ukraine's Russian-backed president to install a —puppet regime,?? a retired CIA officer and political activist says.

—Never before in my 50 years in Washington has it been so clear that the United States has plotted, has aided and abetted and tried to put in the new premier or the new prime minister of the Ukraine,?? said Ray McGovern.

—We have an intercepted telephone conversation?? between the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, that confirms Washington??s role in Ukraine, McGovern told Press TV on Monday.

The intercepted phone call between Nuland and Pyatt was made in January. Moscow??s intelligence apparatus was allegedly involved with the leaked recording of the conversation.

McGovern said that the crisis in Ukraine will not be solved by the likes of US Secretary of State John Kerry or the —puppet regime?? installed in Ukraine.

Ukraine has been gripped by unrest since November 2013, when now-ousted president, Viktor Yanukovych, refrained from signing an Association Agreement with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia.

On Monday, US President Barack Obama threatened Russia with sanctions as tensions between the two countries heats up over the crisis.

Washington and its Western allies are considering sanctions against Moscow, accusing Russia of preparing to launch a military intervention in Ukraine.



http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/04/353145/us-plotted-ouster-of-ukraine-president/<BR>

Your Romanian asskisser mind wouldn't believe this??_ right..??

I read something simmilar but thanks. It's interesting.

Thank you for putting Romanians before Bulgarians..I am so going to troll someone on dxp with this.

Posted by Damnata
I read something simmilar but thanks. It's interesting.

Thank you for putting Romanians before Bulgarians..I am so going to troll someone on dxp with this.

you are very welcome

Qbone, I wanted to ask you...why did you stop posting photos from Norway? That was amazing.. I mean it.

Let's talk about politics in politic sections??_!

😄.

Yup.

nuff says..

Posted by Qbone

I agree with what this guy is saying. However, I don't like that protesting is considered "terroristic activity". He does go on to explain that in detail when the anchor asks him, but imo when you have hundreds of thousands protesting to government, it's a freedom most countries are entitled to. A terrorist to me are those sneaky slimey bastards dressed in trench coats hiding body bombs, and guns and use them to KILL people. Big damn difference.

—Hundreds of thousands protesters?? according to the western media the realities are something else.

You know that LIB..

And believe me it is a terrorist activities... unmarked... Unnamed soldiers of fortune..?? Reminds me of Syrian rebel armies, or Al-Qaida in Libya and Iraq.

No matter what the whole damn thing oozes of CIA black ops.

Do any of you remember that the US application to put the American war ships on black sea to to protect the Olympic American delegation?..

There they terrorist coming from.. that doesn't matter much now, prepare to pay back just don't play victim when it hit.

Posted by geminicandIe
American CIA was involved in Nicaraguan Contra Affair as well as behind Iran Contra Affair and orange/rose/red revolution in Caucas states in 2000's.

I am not surprised if they are behind this one too, but like I said earlier, it is all games of realpolitik. Yes, read Hans Morgenthau and you will understand.

Marry me??_ joke aside

This goddamn (realpolitik) has to stop one way or another. Realife on stake don't you get it..??

Now.. marry me!

So Ukraine and Russia are at odds and people in this thread get hitched?

I am starting to like where this is going 😄

Posted by geminicandIe
Yes, I get it Q!

But that is exactly his point.
Politics is a bitch. It has no morals nor conscience. It wants power and might, even if it takes tripping over dead bodies to achieve it. Remember Vietnam and Afghanistan in 1989 and that whole farce?
USA and USSR were fighting proxy wars over innocent and gullible people. Nothing has changed today.

I feel sad for civilians.
Victimized and confused, there is no way out.

And I'm not the marrying kind, I study politics =)

Fine.. don't marry me but the offer is still open.. bleh

This isn't anywhere near Iraq as regards Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine was/is (in spite of "Independence") part of the old Soviet Union, is loaded with ethnic Russians (old Soviets), is in receipt of 15 billion dollars in Russian loans and is paid enormous fees by Russia for supporting the gas lines which pass through Ukraine selling natural gas all over Europe. They also receive rent for the Navy bases, too.

And no, this won't become WW3 because we aren't going to do anything about it in spite of "Chicken Kiev" Kerry going over there, and the Obama Admin's bleating and farting and of course, big, brave NATO and the UN's proclamations. Putin is going to restore the DEMOCRATICALLY elected President to power. He was unseated via coup for chrissakes. By riotous anarchy. I for one have had it with the Arab Spring and it's progeny. As soon as the news cycle moves on all is forgotten, except for the majorities in those countries who experience chaos from then on. From Tunisia, through Libya, Egypt and God-knows-where-else the Arab Spring is taking the road show to next, only chaos is left behind and where are we the UN or NATO, having fanned the flames, in the aftermath?

Cold War? Nah, this is just Putin taking back that which is HIS.

Qbone I watched the video..didn't get a chance to look at it until now. Thank you.

Posted by Qbone
Next time you going to make a topic babe, make sure that that you KNOW something about it before you copy and paste something.

next time you reply to a post make sure you understand the reasons why some people kiss some asses and don't kiss others...for instance a never returned thesaurus, a regime a country's population never opted for, a different cultural and national historical background, etc...

Posted by mz

Posted by Qbone
Next time you going to make a topic babe, make sure that that you KNOW something about it before you copy and paste something.

next time you reply to a post make sure you understand the reasons why some people kiss some asses and don't kiss others...for instance a never returned thesaurus, a regime a country's population never opted for, a different cultural and national historical background, etc...

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What the fuck are you babbling about..? Brain diarrhea symptoms of yours..?? Of course if you have any brain!

Every souls on free world knows that this shit is the brain child of the fucking alliance of the (so called western dumocracy)??_

I hope Mr. Putin force these creeps back to where they belong asap.

AGAIN ??_??_??_??_Next time??_ make sure that you know what you are talking about idiot..! don't waste my time!

Posted by Qbone
AGAIN ??_??_??_??_Next time??_ make sure that you know what you are talking about idiot..! don't waste my time!

since you have no idea what i am talking about it is clear who's the idiot here: YOU. read some history and maybe...just maybe... you'll be better informed next time...

Ukraine is a battle zone between the EU/US/Western interests and Russia. This isn't the one-sided conflict of Russian aggression that Western media likes to portray. People forget that Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia, that most Ukrainians are Russian and that Ukrainians are divided along pro and anti EU/Russia lines. The US and EU has been stirring up shit because they are trying to undermine Russia's power. Russia is the largest producer of gas, they joining forces with China, have established BRICS and are a real threat to Western hegemony. A lot of the fight over the Ukraine has to do with Russia wanting to build oil lines that will enable them to export more gas to Europe and challenge Saudi hegemony. Putin is a major thorn in our side. And he played our asses on Syria. Kerry really really wanted to send in troops but Putin played his hand so well we were forced to back off. I'm not saying Russia is good, US bad. Russia is a totalitarian state for sure. But really so are we. Let's not forget our government is spying on us, collecting every scrap of metadata.

And Merkel is in Obamma's pocket in terms of supporting Western/EU interests. She's no objective authority. This is really a fight over hegemony & resources not oppression and freedom.

Posted by here4yoo
This isn't anywhere near Iraq as regards Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine was/is (in spite of "Independence") part of the old Soviet Union, is loaded with ethnic Russians (old Soviets), is in receipt of 15 billion dollars in Russian loans and is paid enormous fees by Russia for supporting the gas lines which pass through Ukraine selling natural gas all over Europe. They also receive rent for the Navy bases, too.

And no, this won't become WW3 because we aren't going to do anything about it in spite of "Chicken Kiev" Kerry going over there, and the Obama Admin's bleating and farting and of course, big, brave NATO and the UN's proclamations. Putin is going to restore the DEMOCRATICALLY elected President to power. He was unseated via coup for chrissakes. By riotous anarchy. I for one have had it with the Arab Spring and it's progeny. As soon as the news cycle moves on all is forgotten, except for the majorities in those countries who experience chaos from then on. From Tunisia, through Libya, Egypt and God-knows-where-else the Arab Spring is taking the road show to next, only chaos is left behind and where are we the UN or NATO, having fanned the flames, in the aftermath?

Cold War? Nah, this is just Putin taking back that which is HIS.

+100%

Posted by mz

Posted by Qbone
AGAIN ??_??_??_??_Next time??_ make sure that you know what you are talking about idiot..! don't waste my time!

since you have no idea what i am talking about it is clear who's the idiot here: YOU. read some history and maybe...just maybe... you'll be better informed next time...

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I know already who is idiot here and don't have to call for second time??_ all these hoolah boollah are about the Russian??s awareness and answers to the US instalment of the (so called missile defence) in their territories (in which generously and wisely left to the diplomacy), then their decision to change their profitable business from the fucking petro dollars to the something more reliable.
Remember the gulf wars..?
Libya..?
Iraq..?
Iran..?
Now ??_.Russians..??

They all wanted to bust the fucking petro dollars..! (Fiat currency)

Again??_ what do you care..?.. ZERO??_! Just follow the MSM bullshits along with porn and the celebrities crap. Leave these stuff for the brainers..

Nothing here for your enjoyments to collect..

I do not expect any intelligent answer from you or the other idiots like you??_ so??_

whatever chife??_.!

Posted by Qbone

FUCK the EU and the USA??_ ahh I almost forget the asskissers like Romanians/Bulgarians/moldovians/fucking Yugolslvians etc..

my answers were a reply to this post...the asskissers, how you call them, do have a history behind them, unlike other peoples

history didn't start with the golf war, you know?...some peoples have interected for centuries...attitudes have been shaped in hundreds of years...

but you are too stubborn and narrow-minded to grasp the whole picture...as any small mind...you focus on three pieces of a puzzle and think you've solved it all...

and leave that rude language outside dxp if you want to be taken seriously...

Go back to study ??_!

These Eastern blocs have no history until the Russians invaded their territories after the world wars..! You know what..? If you were smart I would be happier to give you something to hang on with, but you are damn lazy and I am not your history teacher.

Google the damn these asskisser countries and find out more about.. !


Perhaps we can talk about those disgusting countries (politically) later on??_

Just a few weeks ago Hungarians start to wise up to write up their own history. Wish them all good luck to stand up against the EU/US hegemony monster..!