Why are women insecure of their own success?

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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.

Very rarely do I see men doing it. Like... You don't hear Bezos talk about his success and mention that he may have failed as a husband? Or Elon Musk talking about his success and saying he didn't grow up likable because he's so eccentric. It's just women who love to do this.

Curious if you notice it too. And as men, how do you see women who talk about themselves this way? Do you believe in their success? Is it attractive? Or on the contrary, does this make you doubt that woman's capability and find them less attractive?

For other women, how do you talk about your success? Do you tend to do this as well? And if you're no longer doing it, what made you change?
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two stories,

was at that party and shit, and that girl she is a lawyer, now she start talking about her job and shit, and she's like arrogant and stuff. so i'm asking more and more questions, so at the end

i felt like she was just an overpaid slave, start at 8 finish at 22. only eat uber eats. nah fuck off'.

other party story so i start to flirt with that girl she give me the cometofuckme stare, she's a tattoo artist she just opened her tattoo shop then she start to talk about how much she could earn and stuff and blablabla

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i just want to fuck you why u want to impress me ?? now i know what a woman felt when a dude try to flex on her in hope to catch her.

i decide to just get drunk and stay in my corner. oh i tried speed too during that party i felt nothing, what speed is supposed to do ?

Were these French women? I don’t understand French culture. Oh I forgot… bonjour.
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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.

Very rarely do I see men doing it. Like... You don't hear Bezos talk about his success and mention that he may have failed as a husband? Or Elon Musk talking about his success and saying he didn't grow up likable because he's so eccentric. It's just women who love to do this.

Curious if you notice it too. And as men, how do you see women who talk about themselves this way? Do you believe in their success? Is it attractive? Or on the contrary, does this make you doubt that woman's capability and find them less attractive?

For other women, how do you talk about your success? Do you tend to do this as well? And if you're no longer doing it, what made you change?

How is that a failure if it was never a goal? Failure also means you gave up.

1. As a man to me that means she is advertising.

2. Downplaying reduces the amount of haters, jealously and usual shit talking woman do it each other. Sorry not sorry, your horrible to each other unless you are really close.
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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.

Very rarely do I see men doing it. Like... You don't hear Bezos talk about his success and mention that he may have failed as a husband? Or Elon Musk talking about his success and saying he didn't grow up likable because he's so eccentric. It's just women who love to do this.

Curious if you notice it too. And as men, how do you see women who talk about themselves this way? Do you believe in their success? Is it attractive? Or on the contrary, does this make you doubt that woman's capability and find them less attractive?

For other women, how do you talk about your success? Do you tend to do this as well? And if you're no longer doing it, what made you change?

How is that a failure if it was never a goal? Failure also means you gave up.

1. As a man to me that means she is advertising.

2. Downplaying reduces the amount of haters, jealously and usual shit talking woman do it each other. Sorry not sorry, your horrible to each other unless you are really close.
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That's a good point. I guess it is her goal so she thinks it's one of the negatives about her despite being successful career wise. How does a man downplay success? I feel like successful men just don't talk about their success instead. Quiet leadership. And I agree, women are horrible to each other. It's always a competition 🤣 hence I like working with men more wahahaha
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I don't downplay my success. I have a son, worked hard to get to where I am in my career, have my own house and car, debt-free and have a growing savings account for myself and my kid.

I never felt the need to justify myself IRL on why I never married.


That's so good. Were you always like that or were you ever at a stage when you tell yourself you're doing so well in life But, you are not because you're lacking some things that others have? And did you ever say that out loud?
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I don't downplay my success. I have a son, worked hard to get to where I am in my career, have my own house and car, debt-free and have a growing savings account for myself and my kid.

I never felt the need to justify myself IRL on why I never married.

That's so good. Were you always like that or were you ever at a stage when you tell yourself you're doing so well in life But, you are not because you're lacking some things that others have? And did you ever say that out loud?
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I was insecure when I was in my 20s but I wasn't as financially stable back then as I am now. There was a point in my life (25 y/o I think) when I still wanted a husband. I didn't really voice it out either. I'd rather suffer in silence than appear "weak" to people around me.

IDK maybe age plays a big role. I'm 36 and these days I'm only insecure about how my nasolabial folds look and whether I should or should not get fillers.
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What is success really? Is it a fancy job title? I have a fancy job title but I don't talk about my work nor am I interested in people who want to discuss their success/job unless it's something that I actually find interesting.

1. It doesn't interest me.

2. My job is boring asf.

3. I don't like people who live for their work unless they're actually contributing to the humanity.
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.
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I know a (Leo) guy who talks incessantly about his work. He photographs famous people and never shuts the hell up about it🥴. He bores the crap out of people. His partner ended things with him mainly

because he never stops gloating about his work...blah blah blah.

A job is a job...there are many more important things in life

TBF he was a Page 3 photographer 🙀
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Alas no

He photographed musicians/rock stars

“Did i tell you about that time I met Jagger”?

Yes you did mate, about a hundred times 😬
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I know a (Leo) guy who talks incessantly about his work. He photographs famous people and never shuts the hell up about it🥴. He bores the crap out of people. His partner ended things with him mainly

because he never stops gloating about his work...blah blah blah.

A job is a job...there are many more important things in life

TBF he was a Page 3 photographer 🙀

Alas no

He photographed musicians/rock stars

“Did i tell you about that time I met Jagger”?

Yes you did mate, about a hundred times 😬

Jagger is bisexual. Just saying.
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Yes he is as was Bowie
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Because they don't see it as success. Success to some people is raising children.

🙋‍♀️

Best thing I ever did

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It's the best thing anyone ever does. Nobody dies saying they wished they worked more hours.
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I agree

For me, it’s the most meaningful and rewarding thing I’ve ever done

Lifechanging/affirming
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌
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Nah I ain't about people complaining around me. Sure they can complain all they want but do that somewhere else and to someone else. I have too many complaining employees now as it is. Problem with that is people are lazy and would rather bitch and complain rather than just get things done. I don't want to get all caught up with other people's problems. Why do you think I'd rather be alone to myself?
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌

Nah I ain't about people complaining around me. Sure they can complain all they want but do that somewhere else and to someone else. I have too many complaining employees now as it is. Problem with that is people are lazy and would rather bitch and complain rather than just get things done. I don't want to get all caught up with other people's problems. Why do you think I'd rather be alone to myself?
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Genuinely don’t care what you typed above. I proved my point. Hypocrite. 😊
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌

Nah I ain't about people complaining around me. Sure they can complain all they want but do that somewhere else and to someone else. I have too many complaining employees now as it is. Problem with that is people are lazy and would rather bitch and complain rather than just get things done. I don't want to get all caught up with other people's problems. Why do you think I'd rather be alone to myself?

Genuinely don’t care what you typed above. I proved my point. Hypocrite. 😊
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I can already sense you're a talkative type who does a shit load of complaining. You come off as entirely extroverted. I already see you're the type that I'll cringe just looking at you in real life. Of course I'm not surprised though. Being a talkative Libra with unbalanced scales. It all make sense.

Chile bye
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌

Nah I ain't about people complaining around me. Sure they can complain all they want but do that somewhere else and to someone else. I have too many complaining employees now as it is. Problem with that is people are lazy and would rather bitch and complain rather than just get things done. I don't want to get all caught up with other people's problems. Why do you think I'd rather be alone to myself?

Genuinely don’t care what you typed above. I proved my point. Hypocrite. 😊
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I also need to add that your negative extroverted energy is off putting to a laid back introverted brother like myself. Can't nobody be friends with someone of your negative ways.
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Very rarely do you see men doing it? That's because nine times out of ten men tend to stay quiet about their failures. It's call failure and not success. At least that's how it all reads to me on your op. Not many women in this world can stay quiet and keep a lot to themselves. If they was anything like me they wouldn't know what to do with themselves and how to live with themselves without talking.

Do I find it attractive when women does this? Well the answer is obviously, no. I don't like being around complainers in real life.

Why not just let women complain? Why do you care? What is it any of your business that they are complaining? Just let them complain. 😌

Nah I ain't about people complaining around me. Sure they can complain all they want but do that somewhere else and to someone else. I have too many complaining employees now as it is. Problem with that is people are lazy and would rather bitch and complain rather than just get things done. I don't want to get all caught up with other people's problems. Why do you think I'd rather be alone to myself?

Genuinely don’t care what you typed above. I proved my point. Hypocrite. 😊

I also need to add that your negative extroverted energy is off putting to a laid back introverted brother like myself. Can't nobody be friends with someone of your negative ways.
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Cool story. 😆
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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.


How old is she?

I did care a lot more about comparing myself to others in what they have and where they are in life. I'm finding the older I get the less energy I have to give to caring.

And when it comes to sm you also have the added layer that people are branding themselves and what they are selling you may not actually be how they authentically feel, just what they feel will best resonate with their audience.

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I think because on a subconscious level we are conditioned to play small since we were younger

Yes this part right here. A lot of us were taught that our purpose was to be the supporting cast, not the main character. Keep sweet.

Happy to be told I'm wrong, but how much of it is to do with how femininity is perceived?
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Only true success is obtaining inner peace and serenity which financial success definitely does not guarantee.

Nothing in life is guaranteed.

But financial success will allow you to wake up and have the freedom to do what you want with your time. Your odds of finding inner peace and serenity exponentially increase with more money.
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Ya but then you also often hear how depression is a rich man’s disease
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I think because on a subconscious level we are conditioned to play small since we were younger

Yes this part right here. A lot of us were taught that our purpose was to be the supporting cast, not the main character. Keep sweet.

Happy to be told I'm wrong, but how much of it is to do with how femininity is perceived?

elaborate

Traditionally and I know it stereotyping, to be successful in business is regarded as having masculine traits: competitiveness, aggression, assertiveness, maybe even being ruthless or Machiavellian.

I'm saying maybe that sits uneasy with some women because it feels like it is going against what society expects. I'm not saying women don't make great bosses before someone twists it.
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Undoubtably. And it goes both ways. There are very rigid gender roles pushed on everyone because of society. A woman who acts the same way a man would might be called bitchy whereas the man would be called assertive. And on the opposite side of things men's masculinity is questioned if they want to be stay at home dads or take an extended paternity leave for example. Its pretty toxic.

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Only true success is obtaining inner peace and serenity which financial success definitely does not guarantee.

Nothing in life is guaranteed.

But financial success will allow you to wake up and have the freedom to do what you want with your time. Your odds of finding inner peace and serenity exponentially increase with more money.

Ya but then you also often hear how depression is a rich man’s disease
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Because you have the funds to afford a diagnosis... and treatment.
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Men who lead with talking about their success and money, in a dating setting, was always a huge turn off to me. Its like their whole personality is tied to the balance of their bank account.

I always saw it as a sign of insecurity and not bringing much to the table so you gotta distract the girl with dollar signs. Ironically those are the type of guys to cry golddigger.
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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.

How old is she?

I did care a lot more about comparing myself to others in what they have and where they are in life. I'm finding the older I get the less energy I have to give to caring.

And when it comes to sm you also have the added layer that people are branding themselves and what they are selling you may not actually be how they authentically feel, just what they feel will best resonate with their audience.
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She's in her early 30's. She posted that shes running 2 businesses, a Board member in several businesses etc. But in that same post, she also talked about being single at her age, not having a child, not being taken seriously and growing up in a single parent household. And it made me think that she could've just stopped when she mentioned all the amazing things she has achieved. She's done great things for herself. And I don't think I know any man who kind of said I founded Square, or Snapchat etc but on the downside, I'm single, I don't have many friends or I'm fatherless. Like it just very rarely happens. And yes we know Steve Jobs got fired from his own company and Mark Zuckerberg had a disagreement with his friend but we know this mainly bec others told us about it or they were asked about it in an interview. But they haven't branded themselves the same way a woman would which is like I've made a huge success in my career but I'm failing in my personal life. It's almost like she was saying I'm successful but not really because my personal life isnt going great. And to be honest, I felt quite bad for her because she did seem like a lovely person.
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Only true success is obtaining inner peace and serenity which financial success definitely does not guarantee.


I agree that is the ultimate success. However, we all need to pay bills so we can sleep well at night without worrying. I feel like a lot of us think money is a bad thing. It's really not. It's basically the means for survival now. It's how we utilise money that makes it good or bad.
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I think because on a subconscious level we are conditioned to play small since we were younger

Yes this part right here. A lot of us were taught that our purpose was to be the supporting cast, not the main character. Keep sweet.

Happy to be told I'm wrong, but how much of it is to do with how femininity is perceived?

elaborate

Traditionally and I know it stereotyping, to be successful in business is regarded as having masculine traits: competitiveness, aggression, assertiveness, maybe even being ruthless or Machiavellian.

I'm saying maybe that sits uneasy with some women because it feels like it is going against what society expects. I'm not saying women don't make great bosses before someone twists it.
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I agree with this. It probably makes women feel uncomfortable to be successful in an area where man usually succeeds. Like if we succeeded as a wife or a mum, we don't feel it as a burden and we can always proudly talk about how we raised our kids or looked after our husband so they can also succeed in life. But when we talk about our own achievements in our career for example, we almost feel like we sacrificed so much of our personal life to attain it. I'm reflecting on how I talk about raising my little one vs how I talk about achieving my targets at work. And it does feel different talking about each one.
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I noticed this (including myself) that when women talk about their success, they tend to downplay it. I saw someone talk about their success on social media but also talked about where she's failing including not having a husband or child.

Very rarely do I see men doing it. Like... You don't hear Bezos talk about his success and mention that he may have failed as a husband? Or Elon Musk talking about his success and saying he didn't grow up likable because he's so eccentric. It's just women who love to do this.

Curious if you notice it too. And as men, how do you see women who talk about themselves this way? Do you believe in their success? Is it attractive? Or on the contrary, does this make you doubt that woman's capability and find them less attractive?

For other women, how do you talk about your success? Do you tend to do this as well? And if you're no longer doing it, what made you change?

How is that a failure if it was never a goal? Failure also means you gave up.

1. As a man to me that means she is advertising.

2. Downplaying reduces the amount of haters, jealously and usual shit talking woman do it each other. Sorry not sorry, your horrible to each other unless you are really close.

That's a good point. I guess it is her goal so she thinks it's one of the negatives about her despite being successful career wise. How does a man downplay success? I feel like successful men just don't talk about their success instead. Quiet leadership. And I agree, women are horrible to each other. It's always a competition 🤣 hence I like working with men more wahahaha
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Most MEN don't advertise.

Men will talk about their success and goals to compare notes. Or networking or building a friendship.

Only insecure people compete. You got to get a feel for someone to know what their motivation is.

It's why I I like my interactions in person.

I can pick up on these thing quite easily.