Can Scorpio change hell into heaven?

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Trying to appreciate the scorpio qualities here. Because someone I see is a sun, venus, pluto, sturn and mercury 8th houser. He is practically from the scorpio tribe.

Some things I noticed:

1. His icon is the grim reaper.
2. He automaticaly thinks negative given any random (entirely salvageable) situation
3. His sticky glue can never be washed off and is stuck forever.
4. I think he lives in brimstone and hellfire on earth.

Thing is,

I am Libra (sagittarian houser). I absolutely hate seeing the dark things in life. I don't like how hell looks like and don't like spending my life there, together with Hades.

I like to know, if the Scorpio hell can ever be transformed heavenward?

I read that Scorpio man (or faux Scorpio) Libra woman is a karmic combi, and Libra woman usually can help IMPROVE Scorpio's destrcutive tendencies.

I used to think Scorpio man- Cancer woman is the best combi, but after knowing some Cancers, I realise that they sorta worship scorpio (same as Aries), and Scorpio doesn't GROW because they accept both the good and bad part of scorpio and never contest it.


Libra, however, forces Scorpio to GROW in the best and most positive direction, because that check and balance scale in Libra ALSO extends to scorpio and hell no can Scorpio have their damn way with the cold, hard Libra scale type!

Side note:

1. Scorpio types are SILENT. WHY?
2. And to be an EAGLE scorp, somehow, I totally understand that Scorpio needs to go SKYWARD and not be stuck in the MUD. They need to use their HEAD (Logic) more than their dark, destructive emotions.


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"NO ONE can force a Scorpio to do anything they don't want to...everything must be done by their free will. Certainly a Libra can help direct and be a good role model for a Scorpio in the positive aspect...but almost any other sign can too. Scorpio can only transform himself and he has to want to. "

Neither can Scorpio force anyone to do anything they don't want to, except, unless its a Cancer, Aries, Pisces, etc..
Scorpio certainly can't force a Libra type. So there must be some compromise there.
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Posted by DapperDon
"And they don't want to say anything that they can be held responsible for later down the road"

That's not true at all, yes I'm a Scorpio sun but really in a Capricorn's body. A sexy Capricorn body with a handsome face. To answer your question straight up, I will say this: I feel it's great we live in a society where we can ask questions. Because without questions you just have a statement. And statements don't make the world go 'round. *smiles directly at you*

I'm Dapper Don and I approve of this message.



Wha do you mean? Which message do you approve?
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Posted by seavixen2
"Neither can Scorpio force anyone to do anything they don't want to, except, unless its a Cancer, Aries, Pisces, etc..
Scorpio certainly can't force a Libra type."

That sentence alone renders this thread not serious.



Scorpio is about control. I have seen Cancer/Scorp and Aries/Scorp dynamics. I have nt seen Pisces/Scorp, however, except on boards. How would you think Pisces can control Scorp then?
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"And I don't know if anyone is ever the "eagle type" all the time. I think human nature consists of all the negative traits that the lizard has...you would have to be a zen master not to bounce back and forth from time to time.."

Of course, but to reach the eagle type is not easy at all. I dont think I have ever seen..
except for Napoleon Hill, that is.



I think my avatar is the true representation of a Scrop.
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So you're a Scorp?
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Posted by DapperDon
I happened to down a bottle of vodka straight out the bottle. I don't know what's wrong with me lately. I never used to drink but it's the only time I'm happy. Losing your girl and money contributes a lot to depression I noticed.



I noticed that my faux Scorp (I only say that because he's a Scorp by house) gets depressed when he thinks I'm leaving and when he doesnt have money.

Boy how similar are scorpions?
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In this case I say spica "you have to be the change you wish to see in this world."

I am in a great relationship with a scorpio, I am aries. And there are so many areas we both must grow together on in order to make this a valued relationship. Nothing is bad right now, but if we don't bond then we won't be able to overcome differences.

I am relied upon to be upbeat in this relationship with my scorpio, not because I feel I have to be, but i was told that they like that about me above others. So in that regard my scorpio has clued me in on a way to be supportive in that manner.

Mind you, the silent times brief as they are, seem like eternity to my kind and I am forceful and up front, and have to be cautious where I would otherwise mow over someone's process. So I must grow to be more patient and cooperative, and actually that is a good thing, why shouldn't I grow to be a more patient and cooperative person in a relationship 😄

Do I want more from my Scorpio at times when I don't understand the silent moment, of course it would be easier for me, but I have to take in account the "we" aspect, and I can't belittle the scorpio mannerisms if I am to expect others to respect my brash, forward nature.

In other words I have to grow too, especially if I want US to grow.

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Posted by spica
"NO ONE can force a Scorpio to do anything they don't want to...everything must be done by their free will. Certainly a Libra can help direct and be a good role model for a Scorpio in the positive aspect...but almost any other sign can too. Scorpio can only transform himself and he has to want to. "

Neither can Scorpio force anyone to do anything they don't want to, except, unless its a Cancer, Aries, Pisces, etc..
Scorpio certainly can't force a Libra type. So there must be some compromise there.



Yes we can. We just suggest the opposing side FIRST
( or sometimes give you what is needed to balance )
and then you are compelled to act on exact opposite
believing that you are totally in control of it all

... and there is very little you can do about it.


(Uh-oh...I think maybe I wasn't supposed to tell.)

Uh ...Nevermind. That's all a bunch of crap above.
We can have absolutely no bearing on your actions,
thoughts, feelings, desires - you are in control.
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Posted by DapperDon
Okay, I'll be serious for you right now, Spica. Scorpio men are so deep and penetrating like a good porno. Sorry, that's the last joke. But anyway Scorpios are so deep and penetrating. Shit. Hold on let me put it to you this way:

Scorpio men can be represented by the god of the underworld. In ancient mythology, Hades had a wife that betrayed him. He showered her in love and lavish gifts. We have a dark understanding of people and the negative thoughts you see are in fact our views, yes, granted. However, we view people this way to justify our own actions. We are really good people at heart. Our intentions are pure but the process and action of how we execute our plans can be a bit "gray" if you know what I mean. I brought up the Hades thing because it is a perfect example of how and why we do things, which is what you wanted to know.

In conclusion: the process is easily perceived as evil. But the result and intentions are great and magnanimous.



Yes, you are exactly right on point.
And I do see that 'revenge' on women from the memory of past betrayal from the mythological wife.
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Posted by DapperDon
Spica you said he is depressed when he's without you and without money. I personally understand that money is very important, perhaps more so than anything but true love. I am attracted to power and I know this only comes from influence, which only comes through money. There was a time when I lived in a Geo Tracker but still dressed in a suit. I'm rambling for no reason right now so bear with me I think I'm in story telling drunk mode. Would you like to hear some Scorpio stories and confessions?


Yes if you are still inclined to say it.
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"Neither can Scorpio force anyone to do anything they don't want to, except, unless its a Cancer, Aries, Pisces, etc..
Scorpio certainly can't force a Libra type."

That sentence alone renders this thread not serious.



Scorpio is about control. I have seen Cancer/Scorp and Aries/Scorp dynamics. I have nt seen Pisces/Scorp, however, except on boards. How would you think Pisces can control Scorp then?



same way we control libras
with our dicks...

kidding
kidding

why would we want to control
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Not necessarily, Days22.
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Posted by heroic_guy
In this case I say spica "you have to be the change you wish to see in this world."

I am in a great relationship with a scorpio, I am aries. And there are so many areas we both must grow together on in order to make this a valued relationship. Nothing is bad right now, but if we don't bond then we won't be able to overcome differences.

I am relied upon to be upbeat in this relationship with my scorpio, not because I feel I have to be, but i was told that they like that about me above others. So in that regard my scorpio has clued me in on a way to be supportive in that manner.

Mind you, the silent times brief as they are, seem like eternity to my kind and I am forceful and up front, and have to be cautious where I would otherwise mow over someone's process. So I must grow to be more patient and cooperative, and actually that is a good thing, why shouldn't I grow to be a more patient and cooperative person in a relationship 😄

Do I want more from my Scorpio at times when I don't understand the silent moment, of course it would be easier for me, but I have to take in account the "we" aspect, and I can't belittle the scorpio mannerisms if I am to expect others to respect my brash, forward nature.

In other words I have to grow too, especially if I want US to grow.



I speak of Scorpio man Libra woman. The Scorpio woman dynamic is very much different from the scorpio man dynamic.
And if you're Aries man dating a Scorpio woman.. you are so hooked. It's all about YOU improving.
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"And I don't know if anyone is ever the "eagle type" all the time. I think human nature consists of all the negative traits that the lizard has...you would have to be a zen master not to bounce back and forth from time to time.."

Of course, but to reach the eagle type is not easy at all. I dont think I have ever seen..
except for Napoleon Hill, that is.



I think my avatar is the true representation of a Scrop.



So you're a Scorp?



No, a scrop 🙂
I like the sound of it better 🙂
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I like Sorcp. It sounds like a Sorceror with a half-lisp
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"NO ONE can force a Scorpio to do anything they don't want to...everything must be done by their free will. Certainly a Libra can help direct and be a good role model for a Scorpio in the positive aspect...but almost any other sign can too. Scorpio can only transform himself and he has to want to. "

Neither can Scorpio force anyone to do anything they don't want to, except, unless its a Cancer, Aries, Pisces, etc..
Scorpio certainly can't force a Libra type. So there must be some compromise there.



Yes we can. We just suggest the opposing side FIRST
( or sometimes give you what is needed to balance )
and then you are compelled to act on exact opposite
believing that you are totally in control of it all

... and there is very little you can do about it.


(Uh-oh...I think maybe I wasn't supposed to tell.)

Uh ...Nevermind. That's all a bunch of crap above.
We can have absolutely no bearing on your actions,
thoughts, feelings, desires - you are in control.
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It's not easy for a Scorp to play devil's advocate, unless he's got some Libra innit.
Thing is Libra does not WANT control.. so they scorpio control game usually does not work..
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Posted by DapperDon
I heard an inspiring quote today that said, "Love like you've never been hurt" but it seems stupid even though its the right way to live.



I hope you didn't dedicate the topic 'Go @# $ % yourself' to me, because I didnt get a chance to read it at all.

And, 'Love like you haven't been hurt', IS the right way to live, because its not great to victimise someone who did not commit the crime (ie betrayal) the previous woman did. To make the next one pay for her sins is injustice.
I noticed my faux Scorp did that, and that is one main reason I am considering leaving him for good. Because I am a Libra and I wouldnt have any choice but to give it all right back to him the things he did I didn't deserve.
Its almost like he had a chip (like the one of mythological hades) that was brought forth from somewhere unknown, an unspeakable vengeance from a previous relationship gone wrong.
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"And they don't want to say anything that they can be held responsible for later down the road"

That's not true at all, yes I'm a Scorpio sun but really in a Capricorn's body. A sexy Capricorn body with a handsome face. To answer your question straight up, I will say this: I feel it's great we live in a society where we can ask questions. Because without questions you just have a statement. And statements don't make the world go 'round. *smiles directly at you*

I'm Dapper Don and I approve of this message.



Heavenly combo, is it not? Capricorn/Scorpio combo is a dynamic one. Those two signs suit with each other very well. Shortly, it is just magical.
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The capricorn energy makes the scorpio 'toughen' up and build more and more walls around his feelings. Very soon, scorp is trapped in a castle of his own doing, silent forever.
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"Libra doesn't force Scorpio to do anything. They just think they do."

Yah, because Scorpio is the self-appointed master (and marguerita) of everything. Thing is, the archetype of Libra doesn't seek to control at all. Control is a Scorpio trait.

"They need to stop analyzing and trying to "fix" what they think are flaws and accept us as we are. "

I think you took it the wrong way. Its not a fixing, its an assessment to see if there is a fit. A fit of personalities and outlooks.

"He's probably so damn negative because you've made him feel like he is one big walking defect."

No one makes anyone feel anything without their consent. I do not accept blame that is not mine.
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Posted by scorpiopics

Yes we can. We just suggest the opposing side FIRST
( or sometimes give you what is needed to balance )
and then you are compelled to act on exact opposite
believing that you are totally in control of it all

... and there is very little you can do about it.


(Uh-oh...I think maybe I wasn't supposed to tell.)

Uh ...Nevermind. That's all a bunch of crap above.
We can have absolutely no bearing on your actions,
thoughts, feelings, desires - you are in control.
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haha!!! I DO THIS.. yes.. we cannot control people's mind, their personality.. their beliefs.. we just can't... but we can control the environment.. knowing them fully and how they react to certain environmental condition give us (scorpio) the upper hand.. manipulate the environment to get the behavior you want from people. A person thinks its his/her decision..but really, the environment that was altered by the master caused the person to react that way... (humans are interesting)
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Posted by TerrifyingGentleness
LS, in my experience - libras (the women) are the most agressive people around. They??re giving me a fucking headache at work. Everytime I work with a libra I just don't understand what they are going on and on about. In the beginning I thought they were evil, but now I realise that they actually aren't mean - it's just that they live their lifes with co-dependency as nr.1. rule. Every little thing they do must be analized and approved through interaction with other people. I just think they make such a freaking circus out of everything. Why not just go ahead and do it, so what if noone else agrees. But that's just the capricorn in me talking. I'm sure the libras at my work think that I'm a hertless machine, but see that's what I mean - there isn't probably anything wrong with any of us - we just simpy dont "get" eachother.



I like how you try to figure out Libras. You hit it somewhere on but mostly off. My analytical traits I dont attribute it to Libra. And I agree air and earth don't normally get each other, nor water and air. As for Earth and water, Water is more pliable.
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Posted by LovelyScorp


scorpio's absorb moods of the people around them. whether they like it or not. I just discovered this recently and have been able to work on controlling this tendancy within myself.

if you are sad, they are sad, if you are angry, they are angry, if you are happy, they are happy, if you are negative, they are negative.

so look in the mirror and ask yourself what you are feeling today, then look at your scorp and you will see your reflection.



I don't know how you got that but I dont necessarily agree. Scorpio usually influences the moods around them, because they have the emotional power. They are not victims and never allow themselves to be.
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Dude, I will be the first to admit that I have not figured out you people at all. You libras are a mystery to me. But somewhere deep inside, I suppose I don't really hate you - why, I even kind of.. think you??re cute (0,5% of the time). As for water being more pliable then earth, hmm... idk - scorpios are so fucking stubborn. I??ve never managed to shape a scorpio, nor a taurus fo that matter, nor a leao or an aqua. I think it's the fixed signs who are annoying little stubborn shits. The rest of us signs know the meaning of the word "compromise".
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Capricorns see Libras as flakey?
The female-female dynamic is much different from the male-female dynamic in many instances.
I have a strong saturnian chart myself, its quite easy for me to see through the lens of Capricorn, actually.
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Posted by LovelyScorp
we are not victims by any means. that is totally NOT what I'm trying to say.

see what I mean?



Yes I do see what you mean. My mum is Scorpio, I know the miscommunication. But I also know how males and females, especially of scorpio differ.

And my point here is really to ping points here and there to see if I should stay with my faux scorp. See what I mean? I am just taking it or leaving it. I dont force anyone to cleave to my demands.
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Scorpios are overrated and you don't need to think this hard.


I felt him on this. I think ANYONE is overrated to be thinking this hard.

However, I work with two older libra women that are married to scorpio men. Both women are sweet as pie.. never met the husbands, but from what I hear from the wives, the men are good and solid.
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Libra woman - Scorpio man is one of the best combis IMO. But only after a certain something is met. It's either do or die.
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we are not victims by any means. that is totally NOT what I'm trying to say.

see what I mean?



Yes I do see what you mean. My mum is Scorpio, I know the miscommunication. But I also know how males and females, especially of scorpio differ.

And my point here is really to ping points here and there to see if I should stay with my faux scorp. See what I mean? I am just taking it or leaving it. I dont force anyone to cleave to my demands.



I think you already know your answer. you are looking for validation.
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Nice subtle insult
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Posted by TerrifyingGentleness
Spica, in theory I should be able to relate somewhat to libras - I have a libra mars (sneaky, sneaky 🙂 ) but I don't... The women are a mystery to me. Libra men are unrealible, but handsome and they are usually very sweet and act like gentlemen, wich is a big turn on for any woman with selfrespect 😉 The problem arises when you get past that initial stage of getting to know eachother. There's nothing there to hold on to - but I suppose in my case - alot of it has to do with my unwillingness to let anyone in. I don't trust men and never ever open up to anyone. In other words - I can't really blame it all on the libras...



You have a Libra mars. You are hopelessly attracted to Libra men (when you were younger) and your ways of showing anger/aggression is very much like Libras - verbal sparring and debate.
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Air+Water = Zodiac bubblebath



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Air+Water = Zodiac bubblebath



Hmmmm.. bubblebath, eh?



HAhaha. Yes !
That's how I like to see it anyways 🙂
Or maybe a waterspout vortex ?
whoosh!🙂
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Thats not how I see it, really. It's not so dramatic. It's really peaceful irl.
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we are not victims by any means. that is totally NOT what I'm trying to say.

see what I mean?



Yes I do see what you mean. My mum is Scorpio, I know the miscommunication. But I also know how males and females, especially of scorpio differ.

And my point here is really to ping points here and there to see if I should stay with my faux scorp. See what I mean? I am just taking it or leaving it. I dont force anyone to cleave to my demands.



I think you already know your answer. you are looking for validation.
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I dont really think I need to prove my intentions or who I am on this board at all. If you think I seek validation, you can think as you please.
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Posted by LovelyScorp
I have lots of faults, I wear everyone of them proudly. Along with all the silly mistakes I've accumulated in my lifetime.

grace and dignity. i'm trying to learn that.

but this threads not so much about me, babe. don't waste the space.



So you're going through midlife crisis and you insult me through the message boards to try ruffle my feathers? When you did that it was already off topic. I actually feel that scorpio woman - libra man is way harder to work out than scorpio man - libra woman.
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Posted by LovelyScorp
...and validation isn't always a bad word either.



It is in Libra dictionary.
Scorpio is into extremes (positivity and negativity)
Libra is sensitive to overtones of wording. Libras are into balance of form, that includes wording.

There are positive words and negative words; validation is a negative term used to belittle someone.

Dont worry, my mum uses them all the time. We give each other hell (or more like she gives me hell) - I give her hell by picking on her word usage. I dont like them used in negative light; she tends to use them really often.
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"On the other hand, you just dig your heals in and look at ways to make me feel bad instead of reading my words.

That is EXACTLY the point I'm trying to make.

How many times have you done this very same thing with your scorp? with all seriousness. (just think about it)"

There is a difference in the Libra and Scorpio type communication.

First, I did get your words and their meaning. But I didnt like they were wrapped up with loaded insults on my character. If a point is to be made, they can be made without reference to anyone's character at all.

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